Fsf-friends September 2004

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To open software within three years
by Manjush G.Menon 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Original Message ----- From: "IT@School" <itschool(a)asianetindia.com> To: <manjushmenon(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Reply > Mr.Manjush G. Menon > We are not giving to depend totally on Ms. Products. Rather MS > Office is taught along with open office and Windows along with Linux > from this year. Arranging the resource persons for training an open > software, making available the software, the maintenance of a help desk > etc. are logistical issues which could not be immediately undertaken. > We plan switch out to open software within three years. > Executive Director > ---- Original Message ----- From: Manjush G. Menon To: itschool(a)asianetindia.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Respected sir, From Manjush G. Menon, Sr.Programmer, Sofker Solutions Pvt Ltd, Kochi-18. To The Executive Director, 'IT @ SCHOOL' Project, SCERT Buildings, Poojapura, Thiruvananthapuram-12. Respected sir, SUB: In protest against the inclusion of products from multinational companies in the syllabus of 'IT @ SCHOOL' It's a very dissappointing fact that when the whole world is moving towards Free software, we at kerala are going behind a major MNC - Microsoft. I hereby register my protest in such an act from 'IT @ SCHOOL' Project team. Breaking of prototypes will definetly help us in finding economical and high quality products for our future generation. For students and programmers, the GNU Linux contains 'GNU Compiler Collections' which includes C, C++, FORTRAN, PERL, TCL etc. Also, for DTP and other publishing purposes, it includes GNU Office utilities like Abi-Word, gedit, and other worksheet utilities, all these with a nominal cost of Rs 700-800/-. The software as it is, is free and the cost is accounted towards the media (CD + Documentation) included. By this letter, I urge you to take this matter seriously and suggest necessary modifications in the action plan of 'IT @ SCHOOL' project. Wishing you all the best and wishing all 'Students @ SCHOOL' a bright future, Thanking you, Yours faithfully Manjush G. Menon. ______________________________________________________ Check out all the latest outrageous email attachments on the Outrageous Email Chart! - http://viral.lycos.co.uk

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rerquest for comments
by Mahesh T. Pai 05 Oct '04

05 Oct '04

Please comment on http://paivakil.port5.com/writings/protectyourcode.shtml Not yet published -- except here. -- Mahesh T. Pai <<>> http://paivakil.port5.com Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.

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Re: PDF issues
by Tathagata Banerjee 02 Oct '04

02 Oct '04

On Saturday 25 September 2004 15:26, Nagarjuna wrote: > Last saturday in the FSF group meeting at Mumbai we discussed the > possibility of cleaning up the pdf files, which are actually made > using non-free software. Sayamindu said he will take care of this and > will send the files back. Then the book will be uplaoded at FSF site. > > Nagarjuna i have doubts whether 'cleansing' the pdf-s in this way will be a meaningful exercise. no amount of cleansing can delete the truth that the files were created using non-free software. all we can hope to achieve is hide that truth from the public. i understand the importance of maintaining a clean image, but i think it will be more honest and more in keeping with our moral integrity to keep the files as they are, and add an apology for using non-free programs, and an explanation regarding why it was necessary to use them. - t. -- cogito, ergo es.

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LOST tips (GNU/Linux One Stanza Tips)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

Check out this neat implementation of LOST tips from the FSUG-Kochi. http://puggy.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/lost.php ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog) ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[oneworldsa] Request for Feedback: Free And Open Source Software Licensing Primer (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Friends, Apologies for cross posting. The IOSN/APDIP/UNDP FOSS Licensing Primer is a brief introduction to different FOSS licenses, primarily the GNU GPL license. It presents a summary of issues involved with using the different FOSS licenses. It offers several scenarios, and proposes a framework for licensing of government sponsored software. The primer also addresses common questions and misconceptions regarding copyright and licensing issues. Please download from here: http://www.iosn.net/licensing/foss-licensing-primer/foss-licensing-primer.s… http://www.iosn.net/licensing/foss-licensing-primer/foss-licensing-primer.p… So far we have got feedback from Richard M. Stallman, Eric S. Raymond, Dr. Nah Soo Hoe and Mahesh T. Pai We would be very grateful if you could send in your comments and feedback by 10 October 2004. Thanks, Sunil ------------------------------------------------------------------------ INTERNATIONAL OPEN SOURCE NETWORK ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The International Open Source Network (IOSN - http://www.iosn.net) is a Centre of Excellence for Free / Open Source Software in the Asia-Pacific Region. IOSN is an initiative of the Asia-Pacific Information Development Programme (APDIP - http://www.apdip.net), which has been supporting the strategic and effective use of Information Communication Technology (ICT) for poverty alleviation and sustainable human development in the Asia-Pacific region since 1997. Via a small secretariat, the IOSN is tasked specifically to facilitate and network Free / Open Source Software advocates and human resources in the region. Activities undertaken by IOSN is listed below: A. Free / Open Source Information Resource Facility 1. Collaborative Website: On-going Mapping of Free / Open Source activities in Asia-Pacific; Collaborative database of countries; languages, fonts,and organisations in Asia-Pacific; On-line Information/Clearing-house and Mailing Lists 2. Software Repository: A collection of FOSS software and GNU/Linux distributions specific to the Asia Pacific is being created. 3. Documentation of Best Practise 4. Open Source Primers: General FOSS by Kenneth Wong/Phet Sayo; Malaysia; Licensing by Shunling Chen Taiwan; Policy by Kenneth Wong; Localisation by Anousak Souphavanh / Theppitak Karoonboonyanan - Thailand; Network/Security/Infrastructure by Gaurab Raj Upadhaya - Nepal; and Education by Wooi Tong Tan - Malaysia. B. Creation of a Database of Free / Open Source Experts and Human Resources in the Region 1. Networking of Experts 2. Technical Support C. Training and Workshops 1. FOSSAP 2004: More than 50 senior policy makers and open source practitioners from 20 countries attended this event. http://www.iosn.net/fossap/ 2. Training of Trainers: We are currently planning the first training in Vietnam in partnership with Linux Professional Institute D. Research and Development 1. Localisation Toolkit in collaboration with Centre for Advanced Computing [CDAC], India 2. End-user training material in Text and Multimedia format. Script by Dr. Nah Soo Hoe, Malaysia and production by GetIT multimedia, Singapore. 3. GNU/Linux Live CD Project by Colin Charles, Australia of the Fedora Project. 4. Q&A on FOSS R&D/Case Studies of implementations 5. Micro-grant Programme in collaboration with University of South Pacific ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ್ ್ Thanks, ಸುನೀಲ್ -- Sunil Abraham, sunil(a)mahiti.org http://www.mahiti.org 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 51150580. Mobile: +91 80 36701931 Currently on sabbatical with APDIP/UNDP Manager - International Open Source Network Wisma UN, Block C Komplex Pejabat Damansara. Jalan Dungun, Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur. P. O. Box 12544, 50782, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: (60) 3-2091-5167, Fax: (60) 3-2095-2087 sunil(a)apdip.net http://www.iosn.net http://www.apdip.net Dgroups is a joint initiative of Bellanet, DFID, Hivos, ICA, IICD, OneWorld, UNAIDS --- You are currently subscribed to oneworldsa as: fred(a)bytesforall.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-oneworldsa-48530R(a)dgroups.org

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[Fsf-friends] GNU/Linux links and lists (with a focus on South Asia)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

This is the list that I put togther. Would help any help in updating and correcting it. Let's try to network all the 'little' GNU/LUGs, who badly need the support to grow. FN --------------------------------------------------------------------- GNU/Linux links and lists (with a focus on South Asia) --------------------------------------------------------------------- BSDIndia bsd-india(a)bsd-india.org GNU gnu(a)gnu.org GNU-Column column(a)gnu.org GNU/LinuxNigeia ngfoss(a)yahoogroups.com GNULinuxInAsia gnulinuxinasia(a)freelists.org GNUnify gnunify(a)symbiosiscomputers.com ILUG-BGNonTech linux-bangalore-non-tech(a)yahoogroups.com ILUG-Burdwan Ilug-bwn(a)ilug-bwn.org ILUG-Chennai ilugc(a)aero.iitm.ernet.in ILUG-Cochin ilug-cochin(a)eGroups.com ILUG-Hyd ilughyd(a)yahoogroups.com ILUG-Indore ilug-indore(a)yahoogroups.com ILUG-Kot-Moderator Moderator, ilug-kottayam ilug-kottayam Moderator <ilug-kottayam-owner(a)yahoogroups.com> ILUG-KTM ilug-ktm(a)yahoogroups.co.in ILUG-Mangalore ilug-mangalore(a)yahoogroups.com ILUG-Nagpur nagpur-linux(a)yahoogroups.com ILUG-South M'rasthra ilug_sm(a)yahoogroups.com ILUGBBSR ilug-bbsr(a)yahoogroups.com ILUGBelgaum ilug-belgaum(a)yahoogroups.com ILUGBurdwan ilug-bwn(a)yahoogroups.com ILUGC ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in ILUGCal ilug-cal(a)ilug-cal.org ILUGDAICT iLug_DAIICT(a)yahoogroups.com ILUGDelhi ilugd(a)wpaa.org ILUGDelhiNEW ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org ILUGGoaadmin ilug-goa-admin(a)yahoogroups.com ILUGHydMod Moderator, ilughyd ilughyd Moderator <ilughyd-owner(a)yahoogroups.com> ILUGTvm ilug-tvm(a)yahoogroups.com IndicComputing Indic-computing-users(a)lists.sourceforge.net LFY lfyedit lfyedit <lfyedit(a)electronicsforu.com> LIFE-GNUL in Edn life(a)mm.hbcse.tifr.res.in LIFE-2 life(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in LIFE-Nagarajuna G. nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in LIFEAdmin life-admin(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in LIG linux-india-general(a)lists.sourceforge.net LIH linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net LinusTorvalds Torvalds, Linus Linus Torvalds <torvalds(a)transmeta.com> RMS (Stallman) rms(a)gnu.org Linux-Bangalore linux-bangalore(a)yahoogroups.com Linux-Cgarh linux_chandigarh(a)yahoogroups.co.in Linux-MiddleEast Linux-middleeast(a)yahoogroups.com linux-ta linux-ta(a)yahoogroups.com LinuxAbad linux-Ahmedabad-users(a)yahoogroups.com LinuxAnnounce linux-announce(a)NEWS.ORNL.GOV LinuxCouncil Linux_Council_of_India(a)yahoogroups.com LinuxDigestifier Linux-Announce-Request(a)senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Linuxers-Request linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in LINUXERSpostMUMBAI linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in LinuxGoaHelp linuxgoahelp(a)yahoogroups.com LinuxGurus linux_gurus(a)yahoogroups.com LinuxInIndia linuxinindia(a)freelists.org LinuxIran ML, LinuxIran LinuxIran ML <bna-linuxiran(a)nongnu.org> LinuxPakistan general(a)linuxpakistan.net LinuxPlazaComplaints linuxplaza_complaints(a)yahoo.com LinuxPlazaHelp helpdesk(a)linuxplaza.org LinuxPlazaOrg linuxplaza_org(a)yahoo.com LinuxTrainingBG linux(a)vsnl.com LinuxYahoogroups linux(a)yahoogroups.com LIP linux-india-programmers(a)lists.sourceforge.net LUG-A alug_linux(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Abad LinuxAtAhmedabad(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-AMC amclug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-AP aplug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Bihar biharlinuxusergroup(a)yahoogroups.co.in LUG-BrasilT linux-brasil-total(a)Yahoogroups.com LUG-Cgarh linux_chandigarh(a)yahoogroups.co.in LUG-Cgarh2 linux_chandigarh(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Codebreaker codebreaker(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-CSS csslug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Gunify gnunify(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Hubli linuxhubli(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-ITC linux-at-itcom(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Jodhpur SunCityJodhpurLUG(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Lucknow linux-lucknow(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Madurai Linux-Madurai(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Mizo mizolinuxusergroup(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-MLUG mylug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Myanmar myanmarlinuxusersclub(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Nashik nashikgug-general(a)lists.sarovar.org LUG-NE nelug-discussion(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-NGFOSS ngfossf(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Raipur ilug_raipur(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Rourkee rklug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Schools linux_schools(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Sona sonalug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Tamil tamillinux(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-Tvmalai Tvmalailug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-VCLUG VCLUG(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-VLUG vidyalankar-lug(a)yahoogroups.com LUG-VTP vtplinux(a)yahoogroups.com LUG_Bhopal lug-bhopal(a)yahoogroups.com LUGlugk lugk(a)yahoogroups.com LUGrvlug rvlug(a)yahoogroups.com Nagpur-lug nagpur-lug(a)yahoogroups.com NagpurLUG nagpur-lug(a)yahoogroups.com NepalLUG admin(a)linux.com.np NGU-GNU for NGOs Karl <karl(a)tux.org> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog) ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fsf-friends] [FSFE PR][EN] FSFE not inclined to pay legal costs of Microsoft (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- FSFE not inclined to pay legal costs of Microsoft "No settlement in sight, FSFE ready for battle" Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) casts doubts on the increasing rumors that Microsoft is willing to settle the antitrust case against the EC Commission, which is due to come to Court later this week. "We have not been approached by either party by any accounts. This seems more like a smoke screen trying to distract from Airbus having confirmed withdrawal from the case. With the hearing just a few hours away, we also do not see the possibility to discuss any such proposal at this stage," Carlo Piana, FSFEs legal counsel to the case, comments. "Having seen the copious amount of pages of CVs for the experts that Microsoft intends to bring to court, we are instead preparing for two days of intense legal battle. We are quite confident that our comparatively smaller team will give them a hard time and provide the Commission with a great deal of support, as we have done so far," Piana concludes. "We are indeed ready for the battle, but we do hope that others will stand up to support us in this fight as we are currently financing the costs of this litigation from our rather limited funds," Georg Greve, president of the FSFE confirms. "In this regard it should be a rather interesting encounter: On the one side our small, but highly competent team, hard-pressed even for the smallest of expenses. On the other side Microsoft, which hired two of the most prestigious law firms in Europe with their remarkably expensive lawyers working around the clock with unlimited funds." The costs seem indeed expensive since Microsoft with its legendary $49 billion cash reserve applied for the parties siding with the European Commission to bear their legal costs in case the European Commission loses the case. At the current stage, the result Microsoft can expect is something equivalent to an acquittal for want of evidence. If the other parties, such as FSFE, would then have to pay the cost of Microsoft, it would be much like the surfer paying dental care to the shark. "We appreciate the humoresque quality of this demand, but we are certainly not inclined to give in to it!" Georg Greve concludes. About the Free Software Foundation Europe The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) is a charitable non-governmental organization dedicated to all aspects of Free Software in Europe. Access to software determines who may participate in a digital society. Therefore the Freedoms to use, copy, modify and redistribute software - as described in the Free Software definition- allow equal participation in the information age. Creating awareness for these issues, securing Free Software politically and legally, and giving people Freedom by supporting development of Free Software are central issues of the FSFE, which was founded in 2001 as the European sister organization of the Free Software Foundation in the United States. Further information: http://www.fsfeurope.org -- Joachim Jakobs <jj(a)office.fsfeurope.org> Press Speaker - FSF Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) In der Roede 24, 64367 Mühltal (Tel: +49-179-6919565) _______________________________________________ Press-release mailing list Press-release(a)fsfeurope.org https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/press-release

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LXer: Is the MSN search engine being used in the battle to killLinux? (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/23328/index.html Hello, I could not track the source of old content showing up at the top of google searches on my name. According to the number of hits I generate, I have a significant mind share on Google. Finally, we tracked down the problem and found that MSNbot was hammering and multiplying links old and irrelevant content, pushing that above recent articles about Linux in Government, case studies, etc. I also found other open source advocates on the web trying to find out why they couldn't stop MSNbot using a standard robots.txt directive in the root directory of their web sites. Some of the complaints related to increased fees for bandwidth. In this article, I discuss the issue. I will also post the fix we discovered by accident. BTW, a standard redirect will not work. I'm not very pleased to discover Microsoft is manipulating the content on the Internet. Tom Adelsten

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Austerity and e-Gov
by Ramanraj K 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

The Hindu reports: [1]Centre takes belt-tightening steps http://www.hindu.com/2004/09/29/stories/2004092906950100.htm [Austerity measures announced by Central Gov - to save Rs. 2000 crores] [2] The web of e-governance by G. Ananthakrishnan <could not find link> [Without meaningful procedures e-gov won't be possible or help] e-gov software "business" is worth Rs. 1200 crores in India. Using free software for e-gov could save quite a bit, if those concerned listen to what FSF India has been pleading over the years.

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[Fsf-friends] NEWS: Progress towards Sarge (Debian)... getting there!
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

http://www.debianplanet.org/ Progress Towards Sarge Submitted by robot101 on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:47 SargeThe past month (where I must admit, Debian Planet posting has been a little lacking...) has seen much activity throughout Debian to move us closer to our planned September release of the next version of Debian's "stable" distribution. A good measure of what's going on is messages to debian-devel-announce explaining bug-squashing efforts, progress on debian-installer, and updates from the release team... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog) ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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