FSUG-Bangalore October 2007

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Evaluating technology
by Vikram Vincent 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

Hello, I found this blog by Neal Walfied, GNU Hurd developer, stimulating and hence posting it for wider reading. It gives us examples from nature and explains why certain technologies are inherantly dangerous to humanity. http://walfield.org//blog/2006/08/30/evaluating_technology.html -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://www.swatantra.org/

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Fwd: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sebastian Vahl <ml(a)deadbabylon.de> Date: 30 Oct 2007 03:45 Subject: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help To: fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com, fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com, fedora-art-list(a)redhat.com, fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com, fedora-list(a)redhat.com, fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com This is a request for participation: The KDE-SIG [1] is atm lacking active contributors. And we really need some help in doing our job to provide a good KDE version in Fedora - especially with the upcoming KDE 4.0 and the inclusion in Fedora 9. If you don't know how you could help us here is a list (which is also in the wiki): * Packagers: There are so many interesting packages that are not yet packaged for Fedora. Package it to improve the user experience. * Reviewers: Only a few persons are doing the kde-related reviews. Help us reviewing so that more packages could be included. * Testers: If you love KDE use the development version or the updates-testing repository and report bugs, bugs, bugs, request enhancements or features. We need your feedback to improve KDE. * Bugs: Become a BugZapper and help us with kde-related bugs. * Documentation writers: The documentation (esp. the DesktopUserGuide) is GNOME-centered. Help us to provide an equivalent for KDE. * Release Notes: The few people that are working on the new KDE-Spin are quite busy with development issues. If you want to help us in writing the release notes for the next version of Fedora we would give you all the info you need. * Wiki: Maintain http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE and keep it updated with end user information. * Artists: To provide a matching theme for nodoka-metacity-theme and provide an unified desktop experience. But this is not a complete list. If you're interested in making KDE in Fedora better, you're more than welcome. The list of participants in the wiki is atm not a list of active contributors. When setting up the wiki the only demand was an interest in KDE to be listed on this page. This list would be changed in the future to be culled down to the list of active (or reactivated) participants. This has become necessarely because there are only (less or more) 3 active contributors atm (plus Than Ngo). But the list indicates that there are enough people helping with KDE. If you are interested in joining the KDE-SIG please add your name to this list, answer to this mail, join us in #fedora-kde at freenode or attend the weekly KDE-SIG-Meetings (every tuesday 17:00 UTC). I will also add a topic to the agenda of the meeting next week to introduce new contributors. [2] The attendance at the SIG-Meetings is of course not required. But this way we would know of each other. And they are also the main place of discussing the next steps in the development (besides fedora-devel-list). If you have any further questions please answer to this mail or write me directly. And be sure: If your are willing to help you're welcome (regardless of your skills). :) Sebastian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-06 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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UK schools warned off M$ deal.-BBC
by Vikram Vincent 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

"The UK computer agency Becta is advising schools not to sign licensing agreements with Microsoft because of alleged anti-competitive practices. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7063716.stm -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://www.swatantra.org/

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Save Kannada what?? (Was:Log out of Microsoft tie-up, say open software advocates)
by Vikram Vincent 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

Hello, I was a bit tied up for the last few days and could not give my attention to this issue and hence the late reply. <quote> FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION OF INDIA 18th Oct 2007 Trivandrum PRESS RELEASE *Save Kannada From Microsoft's Monopoly* ====================================== http://www.gnu.org.in/node/129 <...> </quote> I am a bit surprised that FSF-I has sent out a press release with a title that is nothing short of promoting linguistic chauvinism. When the draft was released by Omshivaprakash I raised the following points: <quote> A few thoughts about the letter: 1. The main points of the letter - gives adequate focus on the Kannada language aspects, talks about "lock-in" and benefit of free software. 2. Can a few point about the ODF vs. OOXML and India's stand on the issue be added? I think this is very relevant to the situation. 3. Can we increase the emphasis of quality of localisation with free software. 4. Maybe quote a few points from the IOSN webpage http://www.iosn.net/ on why developing countries such as India would find it more advantageous to use FOSS based solutions. While the language issue would stir our passions, on its own it would not present a compelling case since Free s/w Kannada localisation is also still backward. Hope these points are taken into consideration when finalising the letter(if this a draft). </quote> The issue at hand is more related to the 'ISO standards' and 'healthy business practises' rather than 'language' and FSF-I's press release should have reflected that. The FSF should always ensure that its stand on any issue conforms to certain scientific rationale and cannot and should not promote any petty interests but should focus on convincing people logically. The language argument that has been raised does not hold water because the free software localisation to Kannada also is still very backward. Our only hope is that free software promotes a healthy evolution of the system with quality and quantity. While the "Save Kannada campaign" is not under FSF-I, I would like to urge them too to address the intellect rather than the baser human emotions. The only was to protect any language is to ensure that a strong local economy is generated around it. This can happen only when the knowledge is localised and sufficient trained labour can be developed around it. Then, capital by the businesses along with pro-people government policies along with constant pressure by the people will ensure that the economy grows healthily and only then will that language survive else it will end up like Sanskrit, Latin, Pali and others. Thank you, Regards -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://www.swatantra.org/

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Typing Kannada
by Avinash Sultanpur 17 Oct '07

17 Oct '07

Hi, I am using Gnome and I use the Keyboard Preferences applet to change the keyboard layout. I am able to type the alphabets along with diacritics. But how do I type the conjuct consonants? For example how do I type the 'ನ್ನ' in the text 'ಕನ್ನಡ'? What key combinations can I use to get it? Thanks Avinash.

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omshiva is your Yaar! :)
by omshiva 13 Oct '07

13 Oct '07

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Log out of Microsoft tie-up, say open software advocates
by Omshiva prakash 11 Oct '07

11 Oct '07

http://www.hindu.com/2007/10/12/stories/2007101254810600.htm -- -- "A well-directed imagination is the source of great deeds" -- With Best Regards, Omshivaprakash.H.L WebPage : http://shiv.techfiz.info Phone: 91- 9343726518 / 91 - 9343866368

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Re: Join your hands with us (Vikram Vincent)
by Omshivaprakash | ಓಂಶಿವಪ ್ರಕಾಶ್ 09 Oct '07

09 Oct '07

Hi Vikram, Could you please help me to rewrite the draft? On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 23:33 -0700, fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in wrote: > Send FSUG-Bangalore mailing list submissions to > fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsug-bangalore-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FSUG-Bangalore digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Join your hands with us (Vikram Vincent) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:46:40 +0530 > From: "Vikram Vincent" <vincentvikram(a)swatantra.org> > Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] Join your hands with us > To: "Free Software Users Group - Bangalore" > <fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Cc: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <135dba0710060916ocd37959he754e2de9723fb1(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > > On 06/10/2007, Omshiva prakash <omshivaprakash(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Microsoft has for long ignored issues relating to Kannada on their > > Operating Systems. Despite several movements, campaigns to bring the issues > > to Microsoft's attention, things have just been the same. What more? To push > > its own standards and grab monopoly, Microsoft has signed a "Letter of > > Intent" with Government of Karnataka recently. > > > > Implications? many! Microsoft would get an unfair edge in the state > > despite its negligence towards Kannada language. > > > A few thoughts about the letter: > 1. The main points of the letter - gives adequate focus on the Kannada > language aspects, talks about "lock-in" and benefit of free software. > 2. Can a few point about the ODF vs. OOXML and India's stand on the issue be > added? I think this is very relevant to the situation. > 3. Can we increase the emphasis of quality of localisation with free > software. > 4. Maybe quote a few points from the IOSN webpage http://www.iosn.net/ on > why developing countries such as India would find it more advantageous to > use FOSS based solutions. > While the language issue would stir our passions, on its own it would not > present a compelling case since Free s/w Kannada localisation is also still > backward. > Hope these points are taken into consideration when finalising the letter(if > this a draft). > > With fraternal greetings, -- Omshivaprakash | ಓಂಶಿವಪ್ರಕಾಶ್ | ओं शिवप्रकाश् "A lifetime of happiness! No man alive could bear it: it would be hell on earth." TechFiz :::eXcluding eRrors::: Web: http://www.techfiz.info Ircname : techfiz @ irc.freenode.net Phone: +91 9343726518 +91 9343866368

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Fidel Castro on Che
by Vikram Vincent 09 Oct '07

09 Oct '07

Fidel Castro on Che CHE I make a halt in my daily struggle to bow my head in respect and gratitude to the exceptional combatant who fell in combat on October 8th, forty years ago; for the example he passed on to us as leader of his Rebel Army Column, crossing the swampy grounds of the former provinces of Oriente and Camag?ey, while being chased by enemy troops. He was the liberator of the city of Santa Clara and the mastermind of voluntary work; he accomplished honorable political missions abroad and served as messenger of militant internationalism in East Congo and Bolivia. He built a new awareness in our America and the world. I thank him for what he tried and failed to do in his home country, because he was like a flower prematurely severed from its stem. He left to us his unmistakable literary style. He was elegant, swift and true to every detail of whatever happened to cross his mind. He was a predestinate, but he didn't know it. He still fights with us and for us. Yesterday, we commemorated the 31st anniversary of the killing of all passengers and the crew of a Cubana airliner blown in mid-air, and we are on the threshold of the tenth anniversary of the cruel and unjust imprisonment of the five Cuban anti-terrorist heroes. We likewise bow our heads in respect to them all. It was with great emotion that I watched and heard the commemoration ceremony on TV. Fidel Castro Ruz October 7, 2007 3:17 pm -- http://www.swatantra.org/

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Join your hands with us
by Omshiva prakash 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

Dear Friends, <http://savekannada.googlepages.com/Mdollar-campaign.gif/Mdollar-campaign-fu…>Join hands with us in opposing Microsoft's "Letter of Intent" with Government of Karnataka. Microsoft has for long ignored issues relating to Kannada on their Operating Systems. Despite several movements, campaigns to bring the issues to Microsoft's attention, things have just been the same. What more? To push its own standards and grab monopoly, Microsoft has signed a "Letter of Intent" with Government of Karnataka recently. Implications? many! Microsoft would get an unfair edge in the state despite its negligence towards Kannada language. To log a protest, please sign this document<http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=djw95rc_1hsb4gw>and send them by *fax or Post* to these addresses<http://savekannada.googlepages.com/address>. Reference : http://savekannada.googlepages.com -- -- "A well-directed imagination is the source of great deeds" -- With Best Regards, Omshivaprakash.H.L WebPage : http://shiv.techfiz.info Phone: 91- 9343726518 / 91 - 9343866368

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