From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Fri Oct  1 15:08:29 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sintel - 3d Movie - released - 3rd OpenMovie
 from Blender Foundation
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:08:00 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7HkgnavXB2GU-sDUPAwyw=y7gfDMibgsnoK-f@mail.gmail.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Shrinivasan T <tshrinivasan(a)gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Subject: [Ilugc] Sintel - 3d Movie - released - 3rd OpenMovie from
Blender Foundation
To: ILUG-C <ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in>
Cc: kanchilug(a)freelists.org


Hi all,

Sintel released - The 3rd OpenMovie from Blender Foundation.
It is created using the Free Software application, Blender.

Download the 15minutes movie from http://www.sintel.org/

Previous OpenMovies from Blender Foundation:

1. Elephant's dream (www.elephantsdream.org)
2. BigBuckBunny (www.bigbuckbunny.org)



--
Regards,
T.Shrinivasan


My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in
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With Regards,
Mehul Ved

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From yohan.pereira@gmail.com Fri Oct  1 15:32:36 2010
From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sintel - 3d Movie - released - 3rd
	OpenMovie from Blender Foundation
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:27:49 +0530
Message-ID: <201010011527.49872.yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7HkgnavXB2GU-sDUPAwyw=y7gfDMibgsnoK-f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 01 October 2010 3:08:00 pm Mehul Ved wrote:
> Sintel released - The 3rd OpenMovie from Blender Foundation.
> It is created using the Free Software application, Blender.

finally!! was waiting for this. 
the previous 2 were pretty good
	
-- 
- Yohan Pereira.

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From pranav2905@yahoo.co.in Sat Oct  2 07:10:30 2010
From: pranav2905@yahoo.co.in
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Yahoo! Account Services
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:40:29 +0000
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From s@iamsurya.com Sat Oct  2 11:33:29 2010
From: Surya Sharma <s@iamsurya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [EVENT] Online Programming Event at MGM's CET
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:33:04 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZ7RYmhTbyDtrxrpXUsUevfAXPBTYWRUYOshti@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey There!,

MGM's CET, Kamothe, Navi Mumbai is conducting an online Programming
Competition starting on the 4th of October. Interested Participants can
register online, and read more about the event at
http://mgmarete.com/tech10/?page_id=552

The event has prizes worth 7K, and 3K, and entry fee of Rs 100. (You can pay
online by Credit / Debit Card through PaisaPay)

The event concentrates on Logic and Algorithms, and allows code to be
submitted in about 45 Languages (We have Codechef.com as our Progamming
Partner)

BSc, Btech, BE, ME, Mtech, and PhD students from any stream are invited.
Also open to college students in 11th or 12th. ( you need valid ID card)

Have a look, and ask questions if any :)

Thanking You,
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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Sat Oct  2 11:56:32 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU Distro.
 (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:56:25 +0530
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From paul.schwarz@enrouteinc.com Sat Oct  2 12:54:08 2010
From: Paul Schwarz <paul.schwarz@enrouteinc.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:53:43 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRvf2MGtMSJjphKvR-cDMLmu5naiu6aC12Rw=d@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi everyone,

My name is Paul and I am a new member of the Linuxers mailing list. I am
co-founder of En Route Media, a Digital Signage Startup, based out of
Mumbai. We have developed proprietary embedded hardware and software (Linux
Debian frontend, PHP/mySQL backend); patent pending, and are about to launch
our wireless network of embedded screens here in Mumbai.

A friend referred me to your list and well, we've got an opening that some
of you may be interested in. Let me elaborate.

The embedded solution has been developed from the base up in collaboration
with a hardware development team. It is based on the Debian linux distro and
the applications that it runs are developed in Qt/C++. We are looking for an
enthusiastic techie, who would be excited to see a product being launched on
the market, ideas implemented and regular new features and updates being
created.

Some of the other technological components you will be working with are:
GPS, Bluetooth, Linux, RFID, etc. Our back-end is PHP and SQL-based, which
means that dependent on your motivation and excitement you can try and teach
yourself more than you already know and try and move deeper into powerful
technologies that are used for front-end and back-end development today.
These are just some of the many opportunities you will have with us in terms
of learning. The fact that we are very small right now (only 3 of us), means
you will get exposure to all aspects of the business and likely learn a lot
about management and advertising as well.

We are a very young and dynamic team and don't think dressing formally and
spending exactly 9 hours at the office everyday is part of an exciting and
meaningful work-life. We believe in a healthy play and work balance. And we
often take that literally, by randomly playing all sorts of games in our
office in the middle of the day. As long as the work gets done, everyone is
much more happy this way.

Anyways, enough about us. In summary, if you are interest in the array of
technologies mentioned above and are always looking for exciting
opportunities, we would love to hear from you. In the meantime, also check
out our website for a few details about us guys, the founders:
www.enrouteinc.com

Take care,
Paul

_________________________
Paul Schwarz *
Co-Founder of En Route Media*

*Find me on...
*M: 09930304088
L: 022 40093016
TheIndianStartup <http://theindianstartup.com/members/philippano/>

*...or directly at:
254, A-Z Industrial Estate
G. K. Marg
Lower Parel
400013 Mumbai *

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From dineshah@gmail.com Sat Oct  2 13:22:42 2010
From: Dinesh Shah =?utf-8?b?KOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo?=
 =?utf-8?b?4KWH4KS2ICDgpLbgpL7gpLkp?= <dineshah@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 13:22:16 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwf9ysvgtb5ag9+Oy1KGA1UXR3Ua--F_7=a7B8@mail.gmail.com>
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Narendra,

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

> I have reliance netconnect broadband+ EC1260 which work very fine. How
> about other device. share your experience. Thanks
>
>
Can you confirm if the sending and receiving of SMS work on that device
using any Open Source Software like Gnokii or Gammu?


>
> --
> =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=
=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=
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> =E2=94=82    Narendra Sisodiya
> =E2=94=82    http://narendrasisodiya.com
> =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=
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=E2=94=80=E2=94=98
>
>
TIA
With regards,
--=20
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Shah Micro System Pvt. Ltd.
+91-98213-11906
+91-9833-TICKET
http://www.shahmicro.com
http://iopt.in
http://crm.iopt.in
Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Sat Oct  2 14:28:11 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 14:28:05 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGtNT0KZ7Mqrh3qdzVouRtzu1CEyj9uoT70rdZ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwf9ysvgtb5ag9+Oy1KGA1UXR3Ua--F_7=a7B8@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/2 Dinesh Shah (=E0=AA=A6=E0=AA=BF=E0=AA=A8=E0=AB=87=E0=AA=B6 =E0=AA=
=B6=E0=AA=BE=E0=AA=B9/=E0=A4=A6=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B6 =E0=A4=B6=
=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=B9) <dineshah(a)gmail.com>:
> Narendra,
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
> narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
>
>> I have reliance netconnect broadband+ EC1260 which work very fine. How
>> about other device. share your experience. Thanks
>>
>>
> Can you confirm if the sending and receiving of SMS work on that device
> using any Open Source Software like Gnokii or Gammu?

I think there is difference between GSM/CDMA SIM adapter and data
card. I do not know if we can transmit AT command to data card for sms
or audio call. these are for internet connection.
correct me ! I may be totally wrong

However, E160G reported to send sms
http://tensixtyone.com/perma/howto-send-sms-using-a-huawei-e160g-and-debian

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Sat Oct  2 14:29:04 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 14:28:55 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2otZ1B+BSefcSDEyMZPYh7pR1Z9B=KQSFyTPp@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinGtNT0KZ7Mqrh3qdzVouRtzu1CEyj9uoT70rdZ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
> 2010/10/2 Dinesh Shah (=E0=AA=A6=E0=AA=BF=E0=AA=A8=E0=AB=87=E0=AA=B6 =E0=AA=
=B6=E0=AA=BE=E0=AA=B9/=E0=A4=A6=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B6 =E0=A4=B6=
=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=B9) <dineshah(a)gmail.com>:
>> Narendra,
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
>> narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have reliance netconnect broadband+ EC1260 which work very fine. How
>>> about other device. share your experience. Thanks
>>>
>>>
>> Can you confirm if the sending and receiving of SMS work on that device
>> using any Open Source Software like Gnokii or Gammu?
>
> I think there is difference between GSM/CDMA SIM adapter and data
> card. I do not know if we can transmit AT command to data card for sms
> or audio call. these are for internet connection.
> correct me ! I may be totally wrong
>
> However, E160G reported to send sms
> http://tensixtyone.com/perma/howto-send-sms-using-a-huawei-e160g-and-debian
>

I have started a wikipage -
http://www.lug-iitd.org/Mobile_Broadband_on_Linux Do edit.

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From sagar.belure@gmail.com Sat Oct  2 14:51:58 2010
From: Sagar Belure <sagar.belure@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Yahoo! Account Services
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 14:51:10 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmDZc25By0TiK=5Un=sbkLEArCO3u+R7O-2tge@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <2f96342e470dfc09e1aa8f0ef470a162@192.168.1.1>
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:10 AM,  <pranav2905(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Spam detection software, running on the system "web.space-kerala.org", has
> identified this incoming email as possible spam. =C2=A0The original message
> has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
> similar future email. =C2=A0If you have any questions, see
> the administrator of that system for details.
>
> Content preview: =C2=A0Dear GNU/Linux,

This is awesome!
So now, they are targeting mailing lists? So they can get the email id
- passwords in bulk.

> <p> It has come to our attention that
> =C2=A0your account has been flagged due to excessive login attempts from the
> =C2=A0Republic of El Salvador. To verify that you are indeed the owner and
> =C2=A0bearer of this account, we ask that you click: <a
> =C2=A0href=3D"http://login.yahoo.com.yahooservicemembers.com/">http://login=
.yahoo.com</a>
> =C2=A0to authenticate your account's security. <p> We appreciate your patie=
nce
> =C2=A0and thank you for being a Yahoo Mail customer, "the one and only
> =C2=A0reliable email provider reaching all corners of the globe." <p> Yahoo
> =C2=A0Account Management<br> Yahoo! Inc.<br> 701 First Avenue<br> Sunnyvale,
> =C2=A0CA 94089<br> Tel: (408) 349-3300<br> Fax: (408) 349-3301 [...]

Well, this is a phishing[0] attempt.

Whois result of the domain 'yahooservicemembers.com'
Registrant : Gregory Panzo (gpanzos(a)yahoo.com)

The service is hosted in Hong Kong.

The phishing page is not so impressive. You can give it a look, and
put some *fake* credentials.
Be sure, you are not giving the correct username-password.

And it will redirect you to actual http://login.yahoo.com.

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an spam probability is 0 to 1%
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[score: 0.0000]
> =C2=A00.0 HTML_MESSAGE =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BODY: HTML includ=
ed in message
> =C2=A01.4 HTML_10_20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BODY: Messag=
e is 10% to 20% HTML
> =C2=A02.2 INVALID_MSGID =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Message-Id is not=
 valid, according to RFC 2822
> -0.5 AWL =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
<...snip...>

BTW, what is this?


Can you post the mail headers?
And, sender of this mail has joined the mailing list?

[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing

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Thanks,
Sagar Belure
Security Analyst
Secfence Technologies
www.secfence.com

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From nishant1119@gmail.com Sat Oct  2 22:46:16 2010
From: nishant kumar <nishant1119@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 22:46:13 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTiki10A632aXMxiuiYGZeA26Q3utxmZkMZm1411N@mail.gmail.com>
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Please send me all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
I have tried but it is not working..

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From steve@lonetwin.net Sun Oct  3 13:28:19 2010
From: steve <steve@lonetwin.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:27:57 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA83785.9010800@lonetwin.net>
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On 10/02/2010 10:46 PM, nishant kumar wrote:
> Please send me all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
> I have tried but it is not working..

Here are all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
http://tinyurl.com/25p8q7o

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

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From yohan.pereira@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 13:50:55 2010
From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:47:02 +0530
Message-ID: <201010031347.02338.yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 1:27:57 pm steve wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/25p8q7o

i always thought url shorteners were for stupid social networking sites and/o=
r=20
for evil companies to track web usage.=20
this is indeed a more usefull and hilarious use for it.

--=20
- Yohan Pereira.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 14:02:38 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:02:30 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA83F9E.6060403@gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 01:27 PM, steve wrote:
> On 10/02/2010 10:46 PM, nishant kumar wrote:
>    
>> Please send me all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
>> I have tried but it is not working..
>>      
> Here are all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
> http://tinyurl.com/25p8q7o
>
>
>    

That was too good. :-)

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 14:44:37 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:44:29 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA84975.3040404@gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 01:27 PM, steve wrote:
>
> Here are all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
> http://tinyurl.com/25p8q7o
>
>
>    

Steve, could you give some clue on how do you get the screen animated? I 
checked the page source but could not figure out much. It uses some 
javascript. Can this process be used to automate a virus in LInux boxes?

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 14:52:32 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN internet	source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:52:25 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA84B51.9030209@gmail.com>
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Hello,

I was looking at the Tata indicom ad. about a new 'photon' device that 
has a WLAN which can allow upto 5 users to connect to the internet via 
WLAN. The same can be done in mobile phones that are internet enabled 
and have a WLAN too. Simply share the internet (GPRS, EDGE, 3G) with the 
WLAN device and use it as a wireless router. If some mobile apps makers 
could pick up this idea and make a tiny application, it can save the 
users the need to buy new devices and have a handy internet source for 
some devices around.

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct  3 15:43:20 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:57:20 +0530
Message-ID: <201010021557.20148.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRvf2MGtMSJjphKvR-cDMLmu5naiu6aC12Rw=d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Saturday 02 October 2010 12:53:43 Paul Schwarz wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> My name is Paul and I am a new member of the Linuxers mailing list.
> I am co-founder of En Route Media, a Digital Signage Startup, based
> out of Mumbai. We have developed proprietary embedded hardware and
> software (Linux Debian frontend, PHP/mySQL backend); patent
> pending, and are about to launch our wireless network of embedded
> screens here in Mumbai.

Patent for software? In India?
>
> A friend referred me to your list and well, we've got an opening
> that some of you may be interested in. Let me elaborate.
>
> The embedded solution has been developed from the base up in
> collaboration with a hardware development team. It is based on the
> Debian linux distro and the applications that it runs are developed
> in Qt/C++. We are looking for an enthusiastic techie, who would be
> excited to see a product being launched on the market, ideas
> implemented and regular new features and updates being created.
>
> Some of the other technological components you will be working with
> are: GPS, Bluetooth, Linux, RFID, etc. Our back-end is PHP and
> SQL-based, which means that dependent on your motivation and
> excitement you can try and teach yourself more than you already
> know and try and move deeper into powerful technologies that are
> used for front-end and back-end development today. These are just
> some of the many opportunities you will have with us in terms of
> learning. The fact that we are very small right now (only 3 of us),
> means you will get exposure to all aspects of the business and
> likely learn a lot about management and advertising as well.
>
> We are a very young and dynamic team and don't think dressing
> formally and spending exactly 9 hours at the office everyday is
> part of an exciting and meaningful work-life. We believe in a
> healthy play and work balance. And we often take that literally, by
> randomly playing all sorts of games in our office in the middle of
> the day. As long as the work gets done, everyone is much more happy
> this way.
>
> Anyways, enough about us. In summary, if you are interest in the
> array of technologies mentioned above and are always looking for
> exciting opportunities, we would love to hear from you. In the
> meantime, also check out our website for a few details about us
> guys, the founders: www.enrouteinc.com
>
> Take care,
> Paul
>
> _________________________
> Paul Schwarz *
> Co-Founder of En Route Media*
>
> *Find me on...
> *M: 09930304088
> L: 022 40093016
> TheIndianStartup <http://theindianstartup.com/members/philippano/>
>
> *...or directly at:
> 254, A-Z Industrial Estate
> G. K. Marg
> Lower Parel
> 400013 Mumbai *


-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct  3 15:43:21 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
	Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:48:05 +0530
Message-ID: <201010021548.05263.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinGtNT0KZ7Mqrh3qdzVouRtzu1CEyj9uoT70rdZ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Saturday 02 October 2010 14:28:05 Narendra Sisodiya wrote:

> 2010/10/2 Dinesh Shah (=E0=AA=A6=E0=AA=BF=E0=AA=A8=E0=AB=87=E0=AA=B6 =E0=AA=
=B6=E0=AA=BE=E0=AA=B9/=E0=A4=A6=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B6 =E0=A4=B6=
=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=B9) <dineshah(a)gmail.com>:
> > Narendra,
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
> >
> > narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
> >> I have reliance netconnect broadband+ EC1260 which work very
> >> fine. How about other device. share your experience. Thanks
> >
> > Can you confirm if the sending and receiving of SMS work on that
> > device using any Open Source Software like Gnokii or Gammu?
>
> I think there is difference between GSM/CDMA SIM adapter and data
> card. I do not know if we can transmit AT command to data card for
> sms or audio call. these are for internet connection.
> correct me ! I may be totally wrong

If you have not installed any "driver"  (at command emulation layer)=20
on linux, standard AT commands will work and afaik sms should work=20
too.


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Rgds
JTD

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct  3 15:43:27 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:26:20 +0530
Message-ID: <201010031426.20583.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 13:27:57 steve wrote:

> On 10/02/2010 10:46 PM, nishant kumar wrote:
> > Please send me all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
> > I have tried but it is not working..
>
> Here are all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
> http://tinyurl.com/25p8q7o

LOL. Now that is true innovation.

BTW too many options. Which one should I click.
And while you are at it could you move the cursor and open the 
relevant page.
Kindly stay online - just incase i cant read, you will have to figure 
out a way to get that utterly incomprehensible stuff into my head....

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JTD

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 15:59:43 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:59:18 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinAc=KEFgd6oztdK3RC7Q7yiCQWvVDQf1xofSt_@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <4CA84B51.9030209@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was looking at the Tata indicom ad. about a new 'photon' device that
> has a WLAN which can allow upto 5 users to connect to the internet via
> WLAN. The same can be done in mobile phones that are internet enabled
> and have a WLAN too. Simply share the internet (GPRS, EDGE, 3G) with the
> WLAN device and use it as a wireless router. If some mobile apps makers
> could pick up this idea and make a tiny application, it can save the
> users the need to buy new devices and have a handy internet source for
> some devices around.

Concept? It's been a reality since ages.
My friend used to use his GPRS enabled symbian phone's wifi to open
websites on his iPad.

Some useful links:
1. http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
2. http://www.joiku.com/?action=3Dproducts&mode=3DproductDetails&product_id=
=3D310
3. http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/exclusive-google-to-add-tethering-wifi-ho=
tspot-to-android-2-2-froyo/
4. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/turn_your_iphone_into_a_wi-fi_hotspot=
.php

Some keywords you could use for further search "wifi tethering", "wifi
hotspot",

> Regards,
>
> Rony.

--=20
With Regards,
Mehul Ved

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 17:53:48 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:53:40 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA875CC.2010101@gmail.com>
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On Saturday 02 October 2010 03:57 PM, jtd wrote:

A little trimming of the message would have helped. ;-)

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 18:05:16 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:05:08 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA8787C.90101@gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 03:59 PM, Mehul Ved wrote:
>
> Concept? It's been a reality since ages.
> My friend used to use his GPRS enabled symbian phone's wifi to open
> websites on his iPad.
>
> Some useful links:
> 1. http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
> 2. http://www.joiku.com/?action=3Dproducts&mode=3DproductDetails&product_id=
=3D310
> 3. http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/exclusive-google-to-add-tethering-wifi-=
hotspot-to-android-2-2-froyo/
> 4. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/turn_your_iphone_into_a_wi-fi_hotsp=
ot.php
>
> Some keywords you could use for further search "wifi tethering", "wifi
> hotspot",
>
>   =20

Thanks for the links and information. I was not aware that it is already=20
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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct  3 18:58:41 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:59:13 +0530
Message-ID: <201010031859.13457.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 17:53:40 Rony wrote:

> On Saturday 02 October 2010 03:57 PM, jtd wrote:
>
> A little trimming of the message would have helped. ;-)

Yes. :( one of the times when send clicked before i could stop it.
The best part was I realised only when I received the post from the 
list. would have been funny flaming myself.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:01:54 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:01:46 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA893D2.3040906@gmail.com>
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Hello,

I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight line 
tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight 
line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a basic thing? I 
had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just that.

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct  3 20:05:56 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:06:29 +0530
Message-ID: <201010032006.30002.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 20:01:46 Rony wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight
> line tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a
> straight line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a
> basic thing? I had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just
> that.

you need the xfig plugin to draw geometric shapes.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:14:43 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:14:36 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA896D4.80403@gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 08:06 PM, jtd wrote:
> On Sunday 03 October 2010 20:01:46 Rony wrote:
>
>    
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight
>> line tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a
>> straight line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a
>> basic thing? I had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just
>> that.
>>      
> you need the xfig plugin to draw geometric shapes.
>
>    
This is a basic feature. It should have been included. Anyway I will 
download the plugin.

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From meindian523@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:21:38 2010
From: Easwar Hariharan <meindian523@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:51:18 -0400
Message-ID: <1286117478.9556.7.camel@MS-laptop>
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On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:06 +0530, jtd wrote:
> On Sunday 03 October 2010 20:01:46 Rony wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight
> > line tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a
> > straight line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a
> > basic thing? I had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just
> > that.
> 
> you need the xfig plugin to draw geometric shapes.

I searched Synaptic on Ubuntu and found xfig as a separate program and
not as a plugin to GIMP. Turns out the plugin is called Gfig and is part
of the standard GIMP distribution since 1998. It is accessed by
Filters>>Render>>Gfig

Regards,
Easwar


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From gaurav.paliwal1989@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:35:57 2010
From: Gaurav Paliwal <gaurav.paliwal1989@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:35:15 +0530
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On 10/03/2010 08:01 PM, Rony wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight line 
> tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight 
> line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a basic thing? I 
> had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just that.
> 

I use GIMP 2.4.7 and with shift key pressed I am able to draw straight
line without any plug-in installed.

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Gaurav Paliwal
http://gauravpaliwal.com/blog


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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:39:32 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:39:24 +0530
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 08:21 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
>
> I searched Synaptic on Ubuntu and found xfig as a separate program and
> not as a plugin to GIMP. Turns out the plugin is called Gfig and is part
> of the standard GIMP distribution since 1998. It is accessed by
> Filters>>Render>>Gfig
>
>
>    

Easwar, thanks for the tip. I tried it out and it works.

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From yohan.pereira@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:40:17 2010
From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:36:25 +0530
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 8:01:46 pm Rony wrote:
>  I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight 
> line drawing tool.

actually its not so obvious but select any drawing tool (like paint brush or 
pencil). click (and release) at the place you want to start the point, then 
hold shift and click on the desired end position .... tada!!!

-- 
- Yohan Pereira.

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:41:44 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:41:21 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinyk=dR8SEMjeJtj74BAoNX3dts_s+eYi6r8e-b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Gaurav Paliwal
<gaurav.paliwal1989(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I use GIMP 2.4.7 and with shift key pressed I am able to draw straight
> line without any plug-in installed.

Using which tool?
In Gimp 2.6.8 in Ubuntu 10.04, I don't see any tool which I could use
for drawing lines unless I open GFig.
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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:46:17 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:45:53 +0530
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira(a)gmail.com> wro=
te:
> actually its not so obvious but select any drawing tool (like paint brush or
> pencil). click (and release) at the place you want to start the point, then
> hold shift and click on the desired end position .... tada!!!

OK. That worked. And with the right brush size, I could get a line of
desired thickness.


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Mehul Ved

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From gaurav.paliwal1989@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:51:21 2010
From: Gaurav Paliwal <gaurav.paliwal1989@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:50:59 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA89F5B.2030408@gmail.com>
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> Using which tool?
> In Gimp 2.6.8 in Ubuntu 10.04, I don't see any tool which I could use
> for drawing lines unless I open GFig.

the answer is snip from <<Yohan Pereira>> reply

" actually its not so obvious but select any drawing tool (like paint
brush or pencil). click (and release) at the place you want to start the
point, then hold shift and click on the desired end position .... tada!!! "


-- 
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Gaurav Paliwal
http://gauravpaliwal.com/blog
PGP : 78D4730D

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 20:53:29 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:53:21 +0530
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 08:36 PM, Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On Sunday 03 October 2010 8:01:46 pm Rony wrote:
>    
>>   I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight
>> line drawing tool.
>>      
> actually its not so obvious but select any drawing tool (like paint brush or
> pencil). click (and release) at the place you want to start the point, then
> hold shift and click on the desired end position .... tada!!!
>
>    

Thanks Yohan, this is great too.

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct  3 21:05:07 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:05:42 +0530
Message-ID: <201010032105.42548.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 20:21:18 Easwar Hariharan wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:06 +0530, jtd wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 October 2010 20:01:46 Rony wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the
> > > straight line tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does
> > > not have a straight line drawing tool. How can the developers
> > > forget such a basic thing? I had to download tuxpaint for the
> > > job and it did just that.
> >
> > you need the xfig plugin to draw geometric shapes.
>
> I searched Synaptic on Ubuntu and found xfig as a separate program
> and not as a plugin to GIMP. Turns out the plugin is called Gfig
> and is part of the standard GIMP distribution since 1998. It is
> accessed by Filters>>Render>>Gfig

Thanks for the correction.

-- 
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JTD

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 21:29:49 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Is it Possible.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:29:22 +0530
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Forwarding it to the mailing list.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:10 PM, chetan patil <chtpatil(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible if i have fedora on my HD and i can
> do some programming and boot other OS without
> kernel with the same kernel of Fedora.
> ???

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From anurag@gnuer.org Sun Oct  3 21:49:11 2010
From: Anurag <anurag@gnuer.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:49:06 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Ruo8VKFtkr+ny=BrLsVGU0LQJwXSGgS-dVCta@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/3 Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com>:
> Steve, could you give some clue on how do you get the screen animated? I
> checked the page source but could not figure out much. It uses some
> javascript. Can this process be used to automate a virus in LInux boxes?

Its based on a popular javascript framework named jQuery. Its possible
to create awesome javascript driven web apps very easily these days.

Anurag

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From anurag@gnuer.org Sun Oct  3 21:51:52 2010
From: Anurag <anurag@gnuer.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:51:48 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MsOm2UZsaiCH-cMkeoiL7E=h78wyG3OweBEoH@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/3 Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> I was looking at the Tata indicom ad. about a new 'photon' device that
> has a WLAN which can allow upto 5 users to connect to the internet via
> WLAN. The same can be done in mobile phones that are internet enabled
> and have a WLAN too. Simply share the internet (GPRS, EDGE, 3G) with the
> WLAN device and use it as a wireless router. If some mobile apps makers
> could pick up this idea and make a tiny application, it can save the
> users the need to buy new devices and have a handy internet source for
> some devices around.

One of my friends working for a Mumbai based ISP was telling that the
government was planning to ask the ISPs to limit one hardware per
internet connection. Sad IMHO.

Anurag

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 21:57:33 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:57:10 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1oLeHKcS+njBLBVQtDWSW5n-zZtZpnYa0Yw2v@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote:
> One of my friends working for a Mumbai based ISP was telling that the
> government was planning to ask the ISPs to limit one hardware per
> internet connection. Sad IMHO.

Would that mean I'd need one internet connection for my router and
another one for my PC?


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Mehul Ved

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From anurag@gnuer.org Sun Oct  3 22:12:23 2010
From: Anurag <anurag@gnuer.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:12:09 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimH3PjF82RMdx+n5hOW54b8PvdR4WONx9uh=9Fw@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/3 Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote:
>> One of my friends working for a Mumbai based ISP was telling that the
>> government was planning to ask the ISPs to limit one hardware per
>> internet connection. Sad IMHO.
>
> Would that mean I'd need one internet connection for my router and
> another one for my PC?

Would you be able to browse the internet from your router directly? :P

Anurag

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 22:47:28 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:47:04 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NMzxc4MBB6j0wV1aa5jxdxn-XiZj3zy2RoSp_@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote:
> Would you be able to browse the internet from your router directly? :P

Yes, if I connect it to a keyboard and a display.

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Mehul Ved

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From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 22:51:19 2010
From: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:50:54 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcW7CO4oayqFpkhJ_Zv_2LAioQhUHMRQ9eRpoM@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote:

> One of my friends working for a Mumbai based ISP was telling that the
> government was planning to ask the ISPs to limit one hardware per
> internet connection. Sad IMHO.

I'd be interested in understanding the definition of the term
'hardware' in this context.


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/>

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From kartik.mistry@gmail.com Sun Oct  3 23:52:51 2010
From: Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Concept] [OT] Convert a cell phone into WLAN	internet source.
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 23:52:27 +0530
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote:
> One of my friends working for a Mumbai based ISP was telling that the
> government was planning to ask the ISPs to limit one hardware per
> internet connection. Sad IMHO.

What???!

-- 
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
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From steve@lonetwin.net Mon Oct  4 00:15:03 2010
From: steve <steve@lonetwin.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:14:51 +0530
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Hi Rony,

On 10/03/2010 08:53 PM, Rony wrote:
> On Sunday 03 October 2010 08:36 PM, Yohan Pereira wrote:
>>  On Sunday 03 October 2010 8:01:46 pm Rony wrote:
>>
>>>    I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight
>>>  line drawing tool.
>>>
>>  actually its not so obvious but select any drawing tool (like paint brush=
 or
>>  pencil). click (and release) at the place you want to start the point, th=
en
>>  hold shift and click on the desired end position .... tada!!!
>>
> Thanks Yohan, this is great too.
>

Although you got your answer, I should point out something. From the GIMP FAQ=
=20
(the very first question, in fact !) ( http://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html =
):

"""
...It is a raster editor, which means that it performs operations directly on=
=20
the pixels that make up the image, and not a vector editor. Other (proprietar=
y)=20
raster editors include Adobe Photoshop, Jasc Paintshop Pro and the humble=20
Microsoft Paint.
....
"""

Drawing a straight line is not a 'simple' thing in raster graphics. Think of =

vector graphics as drawing technical diagrams with scales, compass, D ..etc a=
nd=20
raster as painting. Or most accurately, if you need to draw lines, circles,=20
flowcharts, boxes etc which are based on simple (2D) mathematical equations, =
you=20
need a vector graphics application. Whereas if you want to touch up a photogr=
aph=20
or edit a wallpaper (which work on individual pixels) you need a raster graph=
ics=20
application.

If you need vector graphics applications in linux, use xfig, dia, tuxpaint et=
c.=20
If you need raster use gimp.

Read more at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics

cheers,
- steve

--=20
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

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From steve@lonetwin.net Mon Oct  4 00:25:54 2010
From: steve <steve@lonetwin.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:25:47 +0530
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Hi,

On 10/03/2010 02:44 PM, Rony wrote:
> On Sunday 03 October 2010 01:27 PM, steve wrote:
>>
>>  Here are all step for configuring xinetd in RedHat..
>>  http://tinyurl.com/25p8q7o
>
> Steve, could you give some clue on how do you get the screen animated? I
> checked the page source but could not figure out much. It uses some
> javascript. Can this process be used to automate a virus in LInux boxes?
>

The lmgtfy.com page is entirely javascript I believe. The mouse pointer you s=
ee=20
in the page is just a image[1] (not your actual mouse pointer). Somebody else=
=20
mentioned jquery, and by the looks of it yes, that's the case. JQuery is a=20
library built on top of core javascript. So, sorry no way to use this for=20
builing a virus :).

cheers,
- steve

PS: I find it a bit weird (disturbing as well as comforting :) ) that lmgtfy.=
com=20
is not common knowledge on this list. Disturbing because it has been around f=
or=20
quite a while now and comforting because it appears like there wasn't an=20
/absolute/ need to use it till now.

[1] specifically: http://lmgtfy.com/images/mouse_arrow.png
--=20
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

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From yohan.pereira@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 00:27:01 2010
From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:23:04 +0530
Message-ID: <201010040023.04138.yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <4CA8CF23.6060201@lonetwin.net>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 12:14:51 am steve wrote:
> If you need vector graphics applications in linux, use xfig, dia, tuxpaint
> etc. 

not to forget one of the main open source contenders inkscape. Also karbon (k 
office suite) is coming along pretty well. 

-- 
- Yohan Pereira.

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From steve@lonetwin.net Mon Oct  4 00:28:53 2010
From: steve <steve@lonetwin.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Is it Possible.
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:28:43 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA8D263.1000406@lonetwin.net>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi==h5V6qD9FpsgKe71WMrdjzMVDwBcN1f6Hez9P@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/03/2010 09:29 PM, Mehul Ved wrote:
> Forwarding it to the mailing list.
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:10 PM, chetan patil<chtpatil(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
>>  Is it possible if i have fedora on my HD and i can
>>  do some programming and boot other OS without
>>  kernel with the same kernel of Fedora.
>>  ???

Define OS ? However, simple answer is yes you can.

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

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From steve@lonetwin.net Mon Oct  4 00:41:45 2010
From: steve <steve@lonetwin.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:41:35 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA8D567.6090102@lonetwin.net>
In-Reply-To: <201010040023.04138.yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
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On 10/04/2010 12:23 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On Monday 04 October 2010 12:14:51 am steve wrote:
>>  If you need vector graphics applications in linux, use xfig, dia, tuxpaint
>>  etc.
>
> not to forget one of the main open source contenders inkscape. Also karbon =
(k
> office suite) is coming along pretty well.
>

Inkscape, of course ! Thanks for pointing that out. How could I forget ? Mayb=
e=20
because that is more of a 'professional' vector drawing app. unlike the other=
s=20
which are more like productivity tools. Like the saying goes, a picture speak=
s a=20
thousand words -- raster vs vector:

http://www.gimp.org/screenshots/
http://inkscape.org/screenshots/index.php?lang=3Den

cheers,
- steve

--=20
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

--===============2420270743860191483==--


From pranav2905@yahoo.co.in Mon Oct  4 01:57:42 2010
From: pranav2905@yahoo.co.in
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Hey bro
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 16:26:18 +0000
Message-ID: <bba86f15fe77a6de9d2574a2a5391ff5@[192.168.1.1]>
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Hii, it's been a lil bit. I found this news article that you might want to lo=
ok at... it shows you how to earn cash on the internet step by step. I quit m=
y job a couple weeks ago because of how much excess cash i've been bringing i=
n during this recession haha. Heres the s1te:  <a href=3D"http://tiny.cc/2fvm=
k">View the newss!</a>

--===============7081675567603320567==--


From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 07:17:01 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] report on pycon India 2010
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:16:21 +0530
Message-ID: <1286156781.2077.118.camel@localhost>
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http://nibrahim.net.in/journal/?p=283
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


--===============1074788770078371755==--


From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 07:20:45 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:20:08 +0530
Message-ID: <1286157008.2077.120.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRvf2MGtMSJjphKvR-cDMLmu5naiu6aC12Rw=d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 12:53 +0530, Paul Schwarz wrote:
> My name is Paul and I am a new member of the Linuxers mailing list. I
> am
> co-founder of En Route Media, a Digital Signage Startup, based out of
> Mumbai. We have developed proprietary embedded hardware and software
> (Linux
> Debian frontend, PHP/mySQL backend); patent pending, 

please put a [job] or [commercial] tag in such mails. And talking about
proprietary embedded software and patents is a big no no on this list.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 07:28:24 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:27:47 +0530
Message-ID: <1286157467.2077.123.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <4CA893D2.3040906@gmail.com>
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On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:01 +0530, Rony wrote:
> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight line 
> tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight 
> line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a basic thing?
> I 
> had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just that.
> 
> 

inkscape is there - GIMP is an image manipulating program. 'nix
philosophy is 'many small apps each aimed at one thing and does it well,
rather than one big app that claims to do many things - and usually does
most of them badly'
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 07:31:52 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Hey bro
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:31:14 +0530
Message-ID: <1286157674.2077.124.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <bba86f15fe77a6de9d2574a2a5391ff5@[192.168.1.1]>
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On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 16:26 +0000, pranav2905(a)yahoo.co.in wrote:
> I quit my job a couple weeks ago

and please quit this list also
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From raju@linux-delhi.org Mon Oct  4 07:45:13 2010
From: Raj Mathur =?utf-8?b?KOCksOCkvuCknAkg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwKQ==?=
 <raju@linux-delhi.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:44:56 +0530
Message-ID: <201010040744.56796.raju@linux-delhi.org>
In-Reply-To: <4CA893D2.3040906@gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 Oct 2010, Rony wrote:
> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight line
> tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight
> line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a basic thing?
> I had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just that.

Not directly answering your question, but I prefer OpenOffice Impress or 
Draw to draw vector diagrams.  Impress, specially, works great with 
shapes, lines and arrows.

Regards,

-- Raj
-- 
Raj Mathur                raju(a)kandalaya.org      http://kandalaya.org/
       GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/   ||   It is the mind that moves

--===============3844098358089453019==--


From raju@linux-delhi.org Mon Oct  4 07:49:09 2010
From: Raj Mathur =?utf-8?b?KOCksOCkvuCknAkg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwKQ==?=
 <raju@linux-delhi.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Hey bro
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:48:53 +0530
Message-ID: <201010040748.53712.raju@linux-delhi.org>
In-Reply-To: <bba86f15fe77a6de9d2574a2a5391ff5@[192.168.1.1]>
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On Sunday 03 Oct 2010, pranav2905(a)yahoo.co.in wrote:
> Hii, it's been a lil bit. I found this news article that you might
> want to look at... it shows you how to earn cash on the internet
> step by step. I quit my job a couple weeks ago because of how much
> excess cash i've been bringing in during this recession haha. Heres
> the s1te:  <a href=3D"http://tiny.cc/2fvmk">View the newss!</a>

Added to:

http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/DoNotTrustMeWithYourPerso=
nalData

-- Raj
--=20
Raj Mathur                raju(a)kandalaya.org      http://kandalaya.org/
       GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/   ||   It is the mind that moves

--===============8393665459868404375==--


From vydya@yabasu.net Mon Oct  4 09:11:40 2010
From: vkb <vydya@yabasu.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:11:37 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3aJ8aE7XSv-RX161jsC7sbX+u+7QCkSAhXPrX@mail.gmail.com>
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Friends,

The format of JTD's recent mail (of 02 Oct 2010 15:57:20)
triggered my next paranoia attack...  parnoia awaiting
another bout of ilug-mumbai-stalwarts mailing-etiquette
discussions on how replies ought to be trimmed.

The almost anticipated guidance arrived
(at 03 Oct 2010 17:53:40) from Rony.
Indeed it automagically helped me recover from
my paranoia attack.

Thank you Rony. I really appreciate your
minutia and patience.
JTD, hope thou art forgiven for now ;-)

Aah... Life could be soooo boring sans ilug-mumbai.
Thanks to the many who make this forum such
an unique, interesting and educative mix
(especially for the relatively quite lurker
and learner in me), despite my recent paranoia.

:-))

All in jest, cheers,
VKB
---
powered reliably, fairly, freely by
linux, ubuntu, firefox, thunderbird

--===============2367471376997081057==--


From knura9@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 10:48:46 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Hey bro
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:48:40 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OVzyjcyK-9b0xyx-z3k6F_UjysmvrVa5T-8me@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:56 PM,  <pranav2905(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Hii, it's been a lil bit. I found this news article that you might want to =
look at... it shows you how to earn cash on the internet step by step. I quit=
 my job a couple weeks ago because of how much excess cash i've been bringing=
 in during this recession haha. Heres the s1te: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tiny.=
cc/2fvmk">View the newss!</a>
> --

@List admins - request you to please suspend/remove userid. Otherwise,
we will see more such messages from this userid.

-- Arun Khan

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From mitul@enterux.com Mon Oct  4 10:50:18 2010
From: Mitul Limbani <mitul@enterux.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:09:34 +0530
Message-ID: <gcmp8k6rwme64inv13g6xs07.1286167174943@email.android.com>
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Lets get realistic. 

This list about talking on GNU Linux and anything that has to do with Linux. 

Lets not define new rules just based on personal preferences @ Kenneth. 

Regards,
Mitul Limbani 

Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:

>On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 12:53 +0530, Paul Schwarz wrote:
>> My name is Paul and I am a new member of the Linuxers mailing list. I
>> am
>> co-founder of En Route Media, a Digital Signage Startup, based out of
>> Mumbai. We have developed proprietary embedded hardware and software
>> (Linux
>> Debian frontend, PHP/mySQL backend); patent pending, 
>
>please put a [job] or [commercial] tag in such mails. And talking about
>proprietary embedded software and patents is a big no no on this list.
>-- 
>regards
>Kenneth Gonsalves
>
>-- 
>http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 10:51:01 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Hey bro
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:50:35 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=z=X8AYsz-C=0=uj5SCboayF-MSmo838ovR1K=@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OVzyjcyK-9b0xyx-z3k6F_UjysmvrVa5T-8me@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Arun Khan <knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> @List admins - request you to please suspend/remove userid. Otherwise,
> we will see more such messages from this userid.

He has been unsubscribed.



-- 
With Regards,
Mehul Ved

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 11:00:28 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:59:53 +0530
Message-ID: <1286170193.2077.153.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <gcmp8k6rwme64inv13g6xs07.1286167174943@email.android.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 10:09 +0530, Mitul Limbani wrote:
> Lets get realistic. 
> 
> This list about talking on GNU Linux and anything that has to do with
> Linux. 

please make up your mind - are you talking about GNU/Linux or about
Linux? I have never heard of 'GNU Linux'.
> 
> Lets not define new rules just based on personal preferences @
> Kenneth. 

I think you misunderstood me - I have not made a new rule, or cited an
existing rule. I just observed that touting proprietary software,
software patents on this rule is going to be mercilessly flamed. 
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 11:08:44 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:08:35 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA9685B.3030200@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Ruo8VKFtkr+ny=BrLsVGU0LQJwXSGgS-dVCta@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sunday 03 October 2010 09:49 PM, Anurag wrote:
> 2010/10/3 Rony<gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com>:
>    
>> Steve, could you give some clue on how do you get the screen animated? I
>> checked the page source but could not figure out much. It uses some
>> javascript. Can this process be used to automate a virus in LInux boxes?
>>      
> Its based on a popular javascript framework named jQuery. Its possible
> to create awesome javascript driven web apps very easily these days.
>
>
>
>    
Hmm. Thanks.

-- 

As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.

Regards,

Rony.


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From knura9@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 11:09:53 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding xinetd configuration
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:09:47 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMpmLxdqS0GZpYCfFczu0+zyV+O_-mRo_vQ1Fg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:25 AM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net> wrote:
> PS: I find it a bit weird (disturbing as well as comforting :) ) that lmgtf=
y.com
> is not common knowledge on this list. Disturbing because it has been around=
 for
> quite a while now and comforting because it appears like there wasn't an
> /absolute/ need to use it till now.

Agree with PoV about LMGTF, have seen it in other mailing lists and I
have used it myself to post "help".

But your technique of redirecting to LMGTF with a tinyurl link is the
first I have come across :)

-- Arun Khan

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Mon Oct  4 11:18:45 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:19:18 +0530
Message-ID: <201010041119.18486.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim3aJ8aE7XSv-RX161jsC7sbX+u+7QCkSAhXPrX@mail.gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 09:11:37 vkb wrote:

> Friends,
>
> The format of JTD's recent mail (of 02 Oct 2010 15:57:20)
> triggered my next paranoia attack...  parnoia awaiting
> another bout of ilug-mumbai-stalwarts mailing-etiquette
> discussions on how replies ought to be trimmed.

Flaming myself would have been recursively hilarious with an uncertain 
outcome, except for another 100 post thread. Besides......


> Thank you Rony. I really appreciate your
> minutia and patience.
> JTD, hope thou art forgiven for now ;-)

.... I am very forgiving of my transgressions, mainly because I rarely 
repeat them.

> Aah... Life could be soooo boring sans ilug-mumbai.

Lest you forget, this is a major infotainment centre for people with 
eccentricities substantially greater than 0. Even drawing straight 
lines can be throughly interesting here. 

> Thanks to the many who make this forum such
> an unique, interesting and educative mix
> (especially for the relatively quite lurker
> and learner in me), despite my recent paranoia.

One must mention Steve's superb tutorial on using Google. 
But I would rate the RTFM riposte as the best:

" OK. I bought the Kama Sutra and read it cover to cover. There's
nothing in there about active high or low or how I should set up
the polarity. But I did spend a few fun hours afterwards on a 
completely unrelated topic "

> and learner in me), despite my recent paranoia.

Let not the fear of flames deter you one bit, after all it's merely 
baptism by virtual fire.

-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 11:18:57 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:18:41 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA96AB9.6000407@gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 07:27 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:01 +0530, Rony wrote:
>    
>> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight line
>> tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight
>> line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a basic thing?
>> I
>> had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just that.
>>
>>
>>      
> inkscape is there - GIMP is an image manipulating program. 'nix
> philosophy is 'many small apps each aimed at one thing and does it well,
> rather than one big app that claims to do many things - and usually does
> most of them badly'
>    

I just wanted to make a small road map for a particular place to send to 
a friend and needed a simple editor to draw straight and diagonal lines. 
All major image (pixel) editors have line drawing features via a line 
tool. In GIMP it turns out to be a hidden function thats all.

-- 

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Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
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Regards,

Rony.


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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 11:21:13 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:20:50 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA96B3A.4040906@gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 07:44 AM, Raj Mathur (=E0=A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=9C =
=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A5=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=B0) wrote:
> On Sunday 03 Oct 2010, Rony wrote:
>   =20
>> I had to draw a map for someone and required to use the straight line
>> tool. I found to my dismay that GIMP (2.6.8) does not have a straight
>> line drawing tool. How can the developers forget such a basic thing?
>> I had to download tuxpaint for the job and it did just that.
>>     =20
> Not directly answering your question, but I prefer OpenOffice Impress or
> Draw to draw vector diagrams.  Impress, specially, works great with
> shapes, lines and arrows.
>
>   =20

Before downloading tuxpaint, I tried OOo-Draw and drew lines but could=20
not find the eraser to make corrections. :P Maybe it is hidden somewhere.

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Please trim your replies.
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Regards,

Rony.


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 11:25:45 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:25:10 +0530
Message-ID: <1286171710.2077.176.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <4CA96AB9.6000407@gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:18 +0530, Rony wrote:
> > inkscape is there - GIMP is an image manipulating program. 'nix
> > philosophy is 'many small apps each aimed at one thing and does it
> well,
> > rather than one big app that claims to do many things - and usually
> does
> > most of them badly'
> >    
> 
> I just wanted to make a small road map for a particular place to send
> to 
> a friend and needed a simple editor to draw straight and diagonal
> lines. 
> All major image (pixel) editors have line drawing features via a line 
> tool. In GIMP it turns out to be a hidden function thats all. 

do not use GIMP to draw road maps. It is like the guy who was using
microsoft word to write C programs and wondering why they would not
compile.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From benignbala@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 11:33:53 2010
From: Balachandran Sivakumar <benignbala@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:33:27 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGnx70VSb7rD3pTpoUX0+DnTuHatKd8n+5FHOJ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kenneth,

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrot=
e:
> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 10:09 +0530, Mitul Limbani wrote:

> please make up your mind - are you talking about GNU/Linux or about
> Linux? I have never heard of 'GNU Linux'.
>>

"GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"

        This is how the list shows up(at least in Gmail). And if you
have never heard GNU Linux, its your problem. We are in a GLUG and
GNU/Linux is perfectly fine. Its because of the vision of RMS/FSF/GNU
we are talking about free software now. True that we have Apache,
Mozilla and a dozen other groups. But the initial initiative and push
was from GNU and they have huge contributions to their credit(GCC,GDB
etc.). And,  Linux, to me and to quite a few others, means the kernel.
And the OS has been termed GNU/Linux by a lot of people. No one asks
you to call it GNU/Linux. But don't force your view on others by
asking others to call it Linux.


>> Lets not define new rules just based on personal preferences @
>> Kenneth.
>
            Software patents are really bad. The fundamental
philosophy of GNU is free software,  with free as in free speech.
Software patents and proprietary software should never be encouraged.
Thanks



--=20
Thank you
Balachandran Sivakumar

Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

Mail: benignbala(a)gmail.com
Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/

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From paul.schwarz@enrouteinc.com Mon Oct  4 11:43:47 2010
From: Paul Schwarz <paul.schwarz@enrouteinc.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:43:21 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2ai4YAaofGus20ACzB-ymZzHdBZxnQN6+fs82@mail.gmail.com>
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Apologies for not adhering to some of the mailing list rules. Just to
clarify the current misunderstanding: Our patent is for the embedded
hardware; our software is entirely Open Source. I guess I should have made
that distinction more obvious.

Also, thanks for the feedback; will use [job] annotation next time. Have an
awesome week everyone



_________________________
Paul Schwarz *
Co-Founder of En Route Media*

*Find me on...
*M: 09930304088
L: 022 40093016
TheIndianStartup <http://theindianstartup.com/members/philippano/>

*...or directly at:
254, A-Z Industrial Estate
G. K. Marg
Lower Parel
400013 Mumbai *
On 4 October 2010 11:33, Balachandran Sivakumar <benignbala(a)gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Kenneth,
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 10:09 +0530, Mitul Limbani wrote:
>
> > please make up your mind - are you talking about GNU/Linux or about
> > Linux? I have never heard of 'GNU Linux'.
> >>
>
> "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"
>
>        This is how the list shows up(at least in Gmail). And if you
> have never heard GNU Linux, its your problem. We are in a GLUG and
> GNU/Linux is perfectly fine. Its because of the vision of RMS/FSF/GNU
> we are talking about free software now. True that we have Apache,
> Mozilla and a dozen other groups. But the initial initiative and push
> was from GNU and they have huge contributions to their credit(GCC,GDB
> etc.). And,  Linux, to me and to quite a few others, means the kernel.
> And the OS has been termed GNU/Linux by a lot of people. No one asks
> you to call it GNU/Linux. But don't force your view on others by
> asking others to call it Linux.
>
>
> >> Lets not define new rules just based on personal preferences @
> >> Kenneth.
> >
>             Software patents are really bad. The fundamental
> philosophy of GNU is free software,  with free as in free speech.
> Software patents and proprietary software should never be encouraged.
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> Thank you
> Balachandran Sivakumar
>
> Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.
>
> Mail: benignbala(a)gmail.com
> Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 11:48:58 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:48:19 +0530
Message-ID: <1286173099.2077.180.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGnx70VSb7rD3pTpoUX0+DnTuHatKd8n+5FHOJ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:33 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote:
> > please make up your mind - are you talking about GNU/Linux or about
> > Linux? I have never heard of 'GNU Linux'.
> >>
> 
> "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"
> 
>         This is how the list shows up(at least in Gmail). And if you
> have never heard GNU Linux, its your problem. 

please *read* before reacting - even RMS does not use the term 'GNU
Linux' (read as GNU-space-Linux). He uses the term 'GNU-slash-Linux'. So
it is not *my* problem. It is your problem ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From sagar.belure@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 11:49:07 2010
From: Sagar Belure <sagar.belure@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Yahoo! Account Services
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:48:40 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=E3vadm4qfz5thp256Gd7woRvWKoHG5iP2pS4j@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't know, why this mail hasn't been sent on mailing list.
So thought of CCing you.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:10 AM,  <pranav2905(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Spam detection software, running on the system "web.space-kerala.org", has
> identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original message
> has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
> similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
> the administrator of that system for details.
>
> Content preview:  Dear GNU/Linux,

This is awesome!
So now, they are targeting mailing lists? So they can get the email id
- passwords in bulk.

> <p> It has come to our attention that
>  your account has been flagged due to excessive login attempts from the
>  Republic of El Salvador. To verify that you are indeed the owner and
>  bearer of this account, we ask that you click: <a
>  href=3D"http://login.yahoo.com.yahooservicemembers.com/">http://login.yaho=
o.com</a>
>  to authenticate your account's security. <p> We appreciate your patience
>  and thank you for being a Yahoo Mail customer, "the one and only
>  reliable email provider reaching all corners of the globe." <p> Yahoo
>  Account Management<br> Yahoo! Inc.<br> 701 First Avenue<br> Sunnyvale,
>  CA 94089<br> Tel: (408) 349-3300<br> Fax: (408) 349-3301 [...]

Well, this is a phishing[0] attempt.

Whois result of the domain 'yahooservicemembers.com'
Registrant : Gregory Panzo (gpanzos(a)yahoo.com)

The service is hosted in Hong Kong.

The phishing page is not so impressive. You can give it a look, and
put some *fake* credentials.
Be sure, you are not giving the correct username-password.

And it will redirect you to actual http://login.yahoo.com.

<...snip...>
> Content analysis details:   (6.6 points, 5.0 required)
>
>  pts rule name              description
> ---- ---------------------- -----------------------------------------------=
---
>  1.0 NO_REAL_NAME           From: does not include a real name
>  2.2 INVALID_DATE           Invalid Date: header (not RFC 2822)
>  0.5 DATE_IN_PAST_03_06     Date: is 3 to 6 hours before Received: date
>  0.1 SPOOF_OURI             URI: URI has items in odd places
>  2.5 SPOOF_COM2COM          URI: URI contains ".com" in middle and end
> -2.6 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
>                            [score: 0.0000]
>  0.0 HTML_MESSAGE           BODY: HTML included in message
>  1.4 HTML_10_20             BODY: Message is 10% to 20% HTML
>  2.2 INVALID_MSGID          Message-Id is not valid, according to RFC 2822
> -0.5 AWL                    AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
<...snip...>

BTW, what is this?


Can you post the mail headers?
And, sender of this mail has joined the mailing list?

[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing

--
Thanks,
Sagar Belure
Security Analyst
Secfence Technologies
www.secfence.com

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 12:00:17 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:59:30 +0530
Message-ID: <1286173770.2077.191.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2ai4YAaofGus20ACzB-ymZzHdBZxnQN6+fs82@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:43 +0530, Paul Schwarz wrote:
> Apologies for not adhering to some of the mailing list rules. Just to
> clarify the current misunderstanding: Our patent is for the embedded
> hardware; our software is entirely Open Source. I guess I should have
> made
> that distinction more obvious.

cool - you just avoided a 100 mail thread ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 12:03:19 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:03:15 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZLXhxCbEBBRAodg5b_mkyY+MJR+4jNSRkgaBi@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <201010021548.05263.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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I have a Reliance Netconnect Huawei EC1262 modem and an MTS Mblaze ZTE
AC2766 modem.

I was successful in getting the Huawei modem connected on a native install
of Ubuntu 10.04 earlier, through the Gnome Network Manager interface.
However, after I switched laptops, I have been using Ubuntu from a USB
pendrive with persistence, and the Huawei modem did not get connected.
Later, I was able to connect with wvdial, but I don't have much experience
to share about its quality or reliability.

I tried using both modems on my desktop with Mandriva Free 2010, but somehow
trying the ZTE modem's inbuilt package and UI hosed up my X server, and
(thanks to a bad 2010 Spring DVD from Linux4u), I had to eventually install
OpenSuse 11.3 (Fedora 13 did not boot properly on my old system).

I tried using both the modems on Gnome under OpenSuse, but only the ZTE one
works, without even having to install their UI or onboard package, through
Network Manager.  The Huawei EC1262 still does not work, although it does
get recognized as a CDMA modem.  I have been unable to use it with wvdial as
well, because it or wvdialconf are unable to recognize it.  I think the
oft-quoted issue of the modem showing up with different IDs between uses is
also experienced by me.

I don't have many nice things to say about the connection quality with MTS
Mblaze, either on my desktop or my laptop.  The Reliance connection has
worked better for me.

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Mon Oct  4 12:30:49 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:30:28 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinnsjSKJxZcXA2Erkmztibz9CKcLQTH9CJS_3tp@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave(a)gmail.com> wro=
te:
> I have a Reliance Netconnect Huawei EC1262 modem and an MTS Mblaze ZTE
> AC2766 modem.

>
> I don't have many nice things to say about the connection quality with MTS
> Mblaze, either on my desktop or my laptop. =C2=A0The Reliance connection has
> worked better for me.

Wiki page show, this modem is working   -
http://www.lug-iitd.org/Mobile_Broadband_on_Linux



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From derwynd@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 12:37:55 2010
From: Derwyn Dpenha <derwynd@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:37:51 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD7ppQuAQX_-puyxT73_t7ea0aNMB3M-gm-PtG@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinnsjSKJxZcXA2Erkmztibz9CKcLQTH9CJS_3tp@mail.gmail.com>
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> Wiki page show, this modem is working   -
> http://www.lug-iitd.org/Mobile_Broadband_on_Linux

For reliance in wvdial.conf

Username = <TELNO>
Password = <TELNO>

Derwyn

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From benignbala@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 12:51:30 2010
From: Balachandran Sivakumar <benignbala@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job as Embedded Linux Application Developer (Qt/C++)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:51:05 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sf+Bz0qssp+3ryVG5Fje2MDBZJQHb9sGcmtJ7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrot=
e:
> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:33 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote:

>
> please *read* before reacting - even RMS does not use the term 'GNU
> Linux' (read as GNU-space-Linux). He uses the term 'GNU-slash-Linux'. So
> it is not *my* problem. It is your problem ;-)

Ah, got it. I apologise. I just intended to say
GNU/Linux(GNU-slash-Linux) is correct and it need not be just Linux. I
didn't intend to mean GNU-space-Linux.Thanks



--=20
Thank you
Balachandran Sivakumar

Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

Mail: benignbala(a)gmail.com
Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/

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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 13:01:47 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:01:39 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTingVa_ZAPh=HHpD5X6QO5f2R2e7JRqYy-w4RWRF@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinnsjSKJxZcXA2Erkmztibz9CKcLQTH9CJS_3tp@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Narendra Sisodiya <
narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

> Wiki page show, this modem is working   -
> http://www.lug-iitd.org/Mobile_Broadband_on_Linux
>

My point was that there is no consistency about the Huawei EC1262 modem
getting to work with a particular setup.

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From gs@initcron.org Mon Oct  4 13:14:26 2010
From: Gourav Shah <gs@initcron.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:14:21 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinamSNctYtvQhwxLGSv5w_P_bB4ahzH4jX0h6LY@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> My point was that there is no consistency about the Huawei EC1262 modem
> getting to work with a particular setup.
>
> You must consider the distro when it comes to hardware. For example, ubuntu
team  spends a lot of resources to make hardware work on their flavor of
linux.


Thanks
GS

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 13:26:05 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:25:27 +0530
Message-ID: <1286178927.2077.231.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinamSNctYtvQhwxLGSv5w_P_bB4ahzH4jX0h6LY@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:14 +0530, Gourav Shah wrote:
> > My point was that there is no consistency about the Huawei EC1262
> modem
> > getting to work with a particular setup.
> >
> > You must consider the distro when it comes to hardware. For example,
> ubuntu
> team  spends a lot of resources to make hardware work on their flavor
> of
> linux. 

so does the fedora team - and the mandriva team - and the opensuse team
and the puppy team and [insert name of your favourite team here]
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 13:28:56 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:28:53 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kys80Zhgy5Ytd844VTMo5M8YnwNQMigBWn_KP@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <1286178927.2077.231.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:14 +0530, Gourav Shah wrote:
> > > My point was that there is no consistency about the Huawei EC1262
> > modem
> > > getting to work with a particular setup.
> > >
> > > You must consider the distro when it comes to hardware. For example,
> > ubuntu
> > team  spends a lot of resources to make hardware work on their flavor
> > of
> > linux.
>
> so does the fedora team - and the mandriva team - and the opensuse team
> and the puppy team and [insert name of your favourite team here]
>


Before we board the train that's bound to be derailed soon, let us share our
experience about the hard hacks we did to get a particular modem work with a
particular setup.

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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 13:36:57 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:36:52 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6nNtQxg2sVsKWj59n8MQFsXzNDEdqV5YVPntx@mail.gmail.com>
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Has anybody tried this? I mean the patched modemmanager.

http://hardik.in/2010/03/20/ubuntu-9-10-reliance-netconnect-broadband-modem-h=
uawei-ec1260-networkmanager-works-out-of-the-box/

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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 13:47:08 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:47:04 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTingNyDCFcgpu3YMXK1tjYaNUzoGrfMRfPCZnF9a@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=6nNtQxg2sVsKWj59n8MQFsXzNDEdqV5YVPntx@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry for the continuous barrage, but here's another solution.  I will try
it and post experience.

http://harbhag.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/reliance-netconnect-broadband-on-ubun=
tu/

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 15:11:34 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:10:30 +0530
Message-ID: <1286185230.2077.333.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kys80Zhgy5Ytd844VTMo5M8YnwNQMigBWn_KP@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:28 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote:
> > so does the fedora team - and the mandriva team - and the opensuse
> team
> > and the puppy team and [insert name of your favourite team here]
> >
>=20
>=20
> Before we board the train that's bound to be derailed soon, let us
> share our
> experience about the hard hacks we did to get a particular modem work
> with a
> particular setup.=20

this works for fedora (for bsnl 3g):
http://www.zyxware.com/articles/1356/installing-bsnl-3g-usb-modem-in-ubuntu-9=
-10-karmic-koala
--=20
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 15:17:55 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:17:17 +0530
Message-ID: <1286185637.2077.338.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <1286185230.2077.333.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 15:10 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > Before we board the train that's bound to be derailed soon, let us
> > share our
> > experience about the hard hacks we did to get a particular modem
> work
> > with a
> > particular setup.=20
>=20
> this works for fedora (for bsnl 3g):
> http://www.zyxware.com/articles/1356/installing-bsnl-3g-usb-modem-in-ubuntu=
-9-10-karmic-koala=20

I forgot to add:

bsnl 3g has a hybrid mode which drops to 2G where only 2G is available.
This works fine in windows, but I could not get it to work in linux. So
was without broadband in some areas. But usbmodeswitch does create
ttyUSB0, ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB3. It then shuts down 0 and 1 and 3 runs fine
if there is 3G available. I now have to find out how to get 2 to work
when only 2G is available.
--=20
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 15:19:49 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:19:43 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJZyiYKSg8STt953uqAg5nBjRoU+av91bjYHp6@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <1286185230.2077.333.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:

>
> this works for fedora (for bsnl 3g):
>
> http://www.zyxware.com/articles/1356/installing-bsnl-3g-usb-modem-in-ubuntu=
-9-10-karmic-koala
>
>
Somehow, the MTS ZTE AC2766 modem has started working with the stock Ubuntu
10.04 network manager (pendrive version) as well as the new compiled-from
source usb-modeswitch and usb-modeswitch data files as advised here

http://harbhag.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/reliance-netconnect-broadband-on-ubun=
tu/
The sources are from http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ and this
site also talks about a script package here
http://sakis.tel4u.gr/blog/sakis3g/
(I haven't tried the Sakis package)

However, the Reliance Huawei EC1262 did not work with either versions of
usb-modeswitch from network manager, but now it is working with wvdial.

I still have to replicate this on OpenSuse before it can be called a
success.

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 15:23:32 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:22:51 +0530
Message-ID: <1286185971.2077.339.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <1286185637.2077.338.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 15:17 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > this works for fedora (for bsnl 3g):
> >
> http://www.zyxware.com/articles/1356/installing-bsnl-3g-usb-modem-in-ubuntu=
-9-10-karmic-koala=20
>=20
> I forgot to add:
>=20
> bsnl 3g has a hybrid mode which drops to 2G where only 2G is
> available.
> This works fine in windows, but I could not get it to work in linux.
> So
> was without broadband in some areas. But usbmodeswitch does create
> ttyUSB0, ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB3. It then shuts down 0 and 1 and 3 runs
> fine
> if there is 3G available. I now have to find out how to get 2 to work
> when only 2G is available.=20

s/USB1/USB2/
--=20
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Mon Oct  4 16:04:06 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:53:52 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCjwxc46Ltk0v2q4VXRRBDMeyM+evxGD9h5E2N@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJZyiYKSg8STt953uqAg5nBjRoU+av91bjYHp6@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wro=
te:
>
>>
>> this works for fedora (for bsnl 3g):
>>
>> http://www.zyxware.com/articles/1356/installing-bsnl-3g-usb-modem-in-ubunt=
u-9-10-karmic-koala

Just curious -
I have MTNL Sim 3G Dolphin Jadoo ,

What modems I can use with it.

On their website, I can see one
http://mtnldelhi.in/dolphin/data_card.htm But it is advertised to be
work with Windows and Mac. They have not mentioned Linux anywhere.






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=E2=94=82=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Narendra Sisodiya
=E2=94=82=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://narendrasisodiya.com
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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Mon Oct  4 16:10:07 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which mobile broadband do not work on latest GNU
 Distro. (Ubuntu/Fedora) [EOM]
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:09:24 +0530
Message-ID: <1286188764.2077.343.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikCjwxc46Ltk0v2q4VXRRBDMeyM+evxGD9h5E2N@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 15:53 +0530, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
> >>
> http://www.zyxware.com/articles/1356/installing-bsnl-3g-usb-modem-in-ubuntu=
-9-10-karmic-koala
>=20
> Just curious -
> I have MTNL Sim 3G Dolphin Jadoo ,
>=20
> What modems I can use with it.
>=20
> On their website, I can see one
> http://mtnldelhi.in/dolphin/data_card.htm But it is advertised to be
> work with Windows and Mac. They have not mentioned Linux anywhere.=20

try the method in the link I gave
--=20
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From sugandha.n87@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 17:06:41 2010
From: Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:06:10 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTincXeie0yo5tLe-rM2C9j2CSRgEFY=LF5REq=MG@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello!

I  have recently joined one of the IT startups and just completed my Engg. I
am a bit aware of Linux, had some hands on Fedora. I want to get into this
Linux world and learn about it. Linux is some Platform I see myself in
eventually. Would I get to work on some good, cool projects
 in correspondence? I am ready to take efforts.

Also, I would like to volunteer for LUG-Bom!! How am I supposed to approach
for it?

Proper guidelines would be really appreciable!

-Regards
Sugandha!

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From gs@initcron.org Mon Oct  4 17:25:59 2010
From: Gourav Shah <gs@initcron.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:25:53 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikONP7JNECOwg3rMw7Dp59VC6D9ZV+zGWrwbAqk@mail.gmail.com>
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I have recently started a project called freeSWITCHBOX appliance.  Its a tail=
or
made distro which comes bundled with FreeSWITCH Open Telephony software and
blue.box GUI from 2600Hz project.  Supports Skype, gtalk integration. Get
your telephony system up and running within minutes.

To know more visit the following pages

Latest Announcement and Presentation:
http://www.initcron.org/voip-2/announcing-freeswitchbox-v2-0-2/
freeSWITCHBOX Home:  http://www.initcron.org/freeswitchbox/
Sourceforge.net Page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeswitchbox


Objective is to take the best free/libre apps, integrate them, build and
enhance Graphical Interface.  User should be able to get started with the
telephony system within minutes and without touching  command line
interface.


Here is how one could help :

1. Integration efforts : Integrating gtalk, skype
2. Automation: Writing scripts in bash, perl, python to automate setup
3. GUI Developement: Designing/Enhancing GUI, write php scripts  etc.


Thanks
gs

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com>w=
rote:

> Hello!
>
> I  have recently joined one of the IT startups and just completed my Engg.
> I
> am a bit aware of Linux, had some hands on Fedora. I want to get into this
> Linux world and learn about it. Linux is some Platform I see myself in
> eventually. Would I get to work on some good, cool projects
>  in correspondence? I am ready to take efforts.
>
> Also, I would like to volunteer for LUG-Bom!! How am I supposed to approach
> for it?
>
> Proper guidelines would be really appreciable!
>
> -Regards
> Sugandha!
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

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From sugandha.n87@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 18:27:08 2010
From: Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:26:41 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzMem-kqpG+BM9R9mR-ZpnMvPTEPReVEr3SKG0@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikONP7JNECOwg3rMw7Dp59VC6D9ZV+zGWrwbAqk@mail.gmail.com>
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Can I get a strong purpose of using and working on FreeSwitch Box??
-Regards
Sugandha

"Everybody can be great...because anybody can serve. You don't have to have
a college degree to serve. You don't have to make your subject and verb
agree to serve. You only need a heart full of grace"



On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gourav Shah <gs(a)initcron.org> wrote:

> I have recently started a project called freeSWITCHBOX appliance.  Its a
> tailor
> made distro which comes bundled with FreeSWITCH Open Telephony software and
> blue.box GUI from 2600Hz project.  Supports Skype, gtalk integration. Get
> your telephony system up and running within minutes.
>
> To know more visit the following pages
>
> Latest Announcement and Presentation:
> http://www.initcron.org/voip-2/announcing-freeswitchbox-v2-0-2/
> freeSWITCHBOX Home:  http://www.initcron.org/freeswitchbox/
> Sourceforge.net Page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeswitchbox
>
>
> Objective is to take the best free/libre apps, integrate them, build and
> enhance Graphical Interface.  User should be able to get started with the
> telephony system within minutes and without touching  command line
> interface.
>
>
> Here is how one could help :
>
> 1. Integration efforts : Integrating gtalk, skype
> 2. Automation: Writing scripts in bash, perl, python to automate setup
> 3. GUI Developement: Designing/Enhancing GUI, write php scripts  etc.
>
>
> Thanks
> gs
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > I  have recently joined one of the IT startups and just completed my
> Engg.
> > I
> > am a bit aware of Linux, had some hands on Fedora. I want to get into
> this
> > Linux world and learn about it. Linux is some Platform I see myself in
> > eventually. Would I get to work on some good, cool projects
> >  in correspondence? I am ready to take efforts.
> >
> > Also, I would like to volunteer for LUG-Bom!! How am I supposed to
> approach
> > for it?
> >
> > Proper guidelines would be really appreciable!
> >
> > -Regards
> > Sugandha!
> > --
> > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
> >
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

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From sugandha.n87@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 18:30:34 2010
From: Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:30:06 +0530
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Hello!!

I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
that-Fedora or Ubuntu?

- As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.
-But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with Fedora. So,
Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.

Can I get proper suggestions on the above?
-Regards
Sugandha

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From dineshah@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 18:51:16 2010
From: Dinesh Shah =?utf-8?b?KOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo?=
 =?utf-8?b?4KWH4KS2ICDgpLbgpL7gpLkp?= <dineshah@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:45:45 +0530
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Sugandha,

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com>w=
rote:

> Hello!!
>
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?
>
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.
> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with Fedora. So,
> Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.
>
> Can I get proper suggestions on the above?
>

I install the distribution which detects all/most of my hardware out of the
box. That saves me lots of time twiking the system and making the hardware
work.

As for the GUI, you can always change to whatever takes your fancy - GNOME,
KDE, XFCE etc...

Just try out as many distro as you can put your hands on!


> -Regards
> Sugandha
>
>
HTH
With regards,
--=20
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Shah Micro System Pvt. Ltd.
+91-98213-11906
+91-9833-TICKET
http://www.shahmicro.com
http://iopt.in
http://crm.iopt.in
Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Mon Oct  4 19:01:03 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:53:01 +0530
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sugandha Naolekar
<sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello!!
>
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?
>
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.
> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with Fedora.

What ?? Fedora and Ubuntu are almost same. Gone are the days where we
were facing these problems

> So,
> Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.

10.04 is unstable (in my view) which was having bug at release day too.

If you want stability, never go for ubuntu or fedora. Go to Centos or Debian.
Install Debian and you can go for world tour by bi-cycle. :)

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From raju@linux-delhi.org Mon Oct  4 19:14:46 2010
From: Raj Mathur =?utf-8?b?KOCksOCkvuCknAkg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwKQ==?=
 <raju@linux-delhi.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:14:26 +0530
Message-ID: <201010041914.27242.raju@linux-delhi.org>
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On Monday 04 Oct 2010, Rony wrote:
> Before downloading tuxpaint, I tried OOo-Draw and drew lines but
> could not find the eraser to make corrections. :P Maybe it is hidden
> somewhere.

Er, you don't need an eraser in a vector drawing program -- just select 
the object you don't want, and press Delete.

Or was that meant to be a joke?

-- Raj
-- 
Raj Mathur                raju(a)kandalaya.org      http://kandalaya.org/
       GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/   ||   It is the mind that moves

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From raju@linux-delhi.org Mon Oct  4 19:18:52 2010
From: Raj Mathur =?utf-8?b?KOCksOCkvuCknAkg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwKQ==?=
 <raju@linux-delhi.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:17:49 +0530
Message-ID: <201010041917.50224.raju@linux-delhi.org>
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On Monday 04 Oct 2010, Gourav Shah wrote:
> I have recently started a project called freeSWITCHBOX appliance. 
> Its a tailor made distro which comes bundled with FreeSWITCH Open
> Telephony software and blue.box GUI from 2600Hz project.  Supports
> Skype, gtalk integration. Get your telephony system up and running
> within minutes.

So is there some FOSS way of supporting Skype, or do you have to use 
proprietary apps and/or libraries for integrating?

Regards,

-- Raj
-- 
Raj Mathur                raju(a)kandalaya.org      http://kandalaya.org/
       GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/   ||   It is the mind that moves

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From gs@initcron.org Mon Oct  4 19:36:52 2010
From: Gourav Shah <gs@initcron.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:36:46 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0SyTPvJTO-LEfJ+=dMFVHaChbah=mZXvsa523@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> So is there some FOSS way of supporting Skype, or do you have to use
> proprietary apps and/or libraries for integrating?
>
>
As you know Skype is a proprietary product. freeSWITCH  has a module called
mod_skypeopen which uses  API provided by Skype and provides integration
with freeSWITCH .
http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Skypiax_Skype_Endpoint_and_Trunk . There is
no reverse engineering etc.

You could use the API as long as you agree with Skype's terms and
conditions.  Furthermore, Users must agree with Skype EULA before they
install skype client application. As per skype distribution policy at
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA200/Can-I-redistribute-Skype-for-Linux ,
you could either point to the skype page for download or provide a automated
download option. We are doing the later.

thanks
gs


> Regards,
>
> -- Raj
> --
> Raj Mathur                raju(a)kandalaya.org      http://kandalaya.org/
>       GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
> PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/   ||   It is the mind that moves
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 21:08:11 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:07:57 +0530
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On Monday 04 October 2010 11:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
> do not use GIMP to draw road maps. It is like the guy who was using
> microsoft word to write C programs and wondering why they would not
> compile.
>    

Ok.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 21:17:35 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:17:28 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA9F710.5050902@gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 06:26 PM, Sugandha Naolekar wrote:
> Can I get a strong purpose of using and working on FreeSwitch Box??
> -Regards
> Sugandha
>
>
>
>    

Hello, welcome to the list. Please do go through list guidelines on how 
to post messages. Thanks.

-- 

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 21:21:11 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:21:04 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA9F7E8.3000503@gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 06:30 PM, Sugandha Naolekar wrote:
> Hello!!
>
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?
>
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.
> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with Fedora. So,
> Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.
>
> Can I get proper suggestions on the above?
>
>    
Ubuntu and Fedora both have live CDs available. Before installation, run 
them live on your system and as Dinesh mentioned, check if all your 
hardware works and then in those CDs itself there is the installation 
option. If you already have Windows installed on your system, better do 
some homework about partitions before you accidently knock off your 
running system.

-- 

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 21:23:48 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GIMP does not have line draw tool
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:23:41 +0530
Message-ID: <4CA9F885.7090508@gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 07:14 PM, Raj Mathur (=E0=A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=9C =
=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A5=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=B0) wrote:
> On Monday 04 Oct 2010, Rony wrote:
>   =20
>> Before downloading tuxpaint, I tried OOo-Draw and drew lines but
>> could not find the eraser to make corrections. :P Maybe it is hidden
>> somewhere.
>>     =20
> Er, you don't need an eraser in a vector drawing program -- just select
> the object you don't want, and press Delete.
>
> Or was that meant to be a joke?
>
>
>   =20

LOL! No joke. I wanted to erase some line overshoots and could not do=20
so. You know, around corners, junctions etc.

--=20

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From mailbox@mistrynitesh.net Mon Oct  4 22:39:14 2010
From: Nitesh Mistry <mailbox@mistrynitesh.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:38:49 +0530
Message-ID: <20101004170849.GA3813@mistrys>
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On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:30:06PM +0530, Sugandha Naolekar wrote:
> Hello!!
> 
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?
> 
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.
> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with Fedora. So,
> Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.
> 
> Can I get proper suggestions on the above?

Hi Sugandha,

Welcome to the show. Knowingly or unknowingly, you have restarted to
longest running debates in this community about the most suitable
distro. We linux users respect our freedom of choice and are spoilt for
the same. You will discover that there are as many distros as the stars
in this galaxy and everyone has his/her favourite.

So go ahead, try out LiveCDs of a few of them. Also, being a new-comer,
you would like to interact with the particular distro's community and
see if you feel comfortable and get proper responses regarding support
questions that you might have. You might want to browse their wiki or
documentation site to see if you can find answers to the most common
issues like how to install (the system itself as well as other programs,
etc), configuration, etc. Sooner than later you will find a distro that
you are most comfortable with.

GUI and the glitter, you will be able to replicate on almost any system,
so go for stability.

Just my 2 paisa worth of scene on the show. Sit back and enjoy the rest.
:-)

-- 
Regards,
Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 23:34:08 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:33:10 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJNcQMp_pssipS4ZmeQxgUNwGu_psrrbVqp_tM@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey,
Did you get the proxy working with the tablet?

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Nachiketa Sadhu <sadhu(a)iitb.ac.in> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After the discussion about cheap android tablet in the list, I got
> interested and ordered a M001 tablet from the internet link provided by
> one of you.
>
> After a wait of about a month it arrived yesterday, the price was $109
> and I had to pay a duty of Rs.766 to the postman.
>
> I now can not configure internet proxy setting on the device. Though
> through google search I have been getting some instructions, but they do
> not match the menus on my device. It runs kernel
> 2.6.29-00236-g4f8dbbb-dirty, build number 1.9.1 and firmware version 1.6.
>
> I would be grateful if some one can give pointers to solve my problem.
>
> Thanks and regards.
>
> sadhu
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>



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From sagar.belure@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 23:44:15 2010
From: Sagar Belure <sagar.belure@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:43:48 +0530
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sugandha Naolekar
<sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello!!
>
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?

Well, I have worked with RPM based OSes like, CentOS(server) and
Fedora(desktop) as well as debian based Ubuntu(for desktop and server
editions).
Ubuntu seems to work perfectly flawlessly with the hardwares and the
installations/environment I need.

>
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.

Won't agree over that.
In fact, CompizConfig adds flavour in Ubuntu desktop.

> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with Fedora. So,
> Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.

>From my point of view, same is the case with CentOS support, if
support with different installations is concerned.

HTH.

-- 
Thanks,
Sagar Belure
Security Analyst
Secfence Technologies
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From mohansn@gmail.com Mon Oct  4 23:59:29 2010
From: Mohan Nayaka <mohansn@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:29:23 -0400
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Sugandha Naolekar
<sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello!!
>
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?

www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?lang=en

Thanks,
Mohan S N
-- 
Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.
        -- J. R. R. Tolkien

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Tue Oct  5 06:25:30 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:24:56 +0530
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 18:30 +0530, Sugandha Naolekar wrote:
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be
> preferrable in
> that-Fedora or Ubuntu?
> 
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.
> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with
> Fedora. So,
> Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version. 

what dependencies does fedora have that need to be resolved? If you
intend to use your box for programming/sysadmin, fedora or debian is
preferable as everything is in standard places - and fedora 12/13
practically works out of the box with all peripherals. 
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Tue Oct  5 06:28:35 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:28:05 +0530
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 18:53 +0530, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
> If you want stability, never go for ubuntu or fedora. Go to Centos or
> Debian.

but the libraries are all old. If you want cutting edge latest
libraries, you have to go for something that releases more often. Of
course if you are running servers, nothing like Centos or Debian (only
as a sysadmin, my users are constantly flaming me because the libraries
are old and are demanding the latest - which is a huge pita for me)
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Kenneth Gonsalves


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Tue Oct  5 06:29:40 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:29:11 +0530
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:17 +0530, Raj Mathur (=E0=A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=9C =
=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A5=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=B0) wrote:
> On Monday 04 Oct 2010, Gourav Shah wrote:
> > I have recently started a project called freeSWITCHBOX appliance.=20
> > Its a tailor made distro which comes bundled with FreeSWITCH Open
> > Telephony software and blue.box GUI from 2600Hz project.  Supports
> > Skype, gtalk integration. Get your telephony system up and running
> > within minutes.
>=20
> So is there some FOSS way of supporting Skype, or do you have to use=20
> proprietary apps and/or libraries for integrating?=20

or a foss alternative to skype?=20
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Kenneth Gonsalves


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Tue Oct  5 06:32:03 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:31:33 +0530
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 21:21 +0530, Rony wrote:
> > Can I get proper suggestions on the above?
> >
> >    
> Ubuntu and Fedora both have live CDs available. Before installation,
> run 
> them live on your system and as Dinesh mentioned, check if all your 
> hardware works and then in those CDs itself there is the installation 
> option. If you already have Windows installed on your system, better
> do 
> some homework about partitions before you accidently knock off your 
> running system. 

fedora 12 does a good job of making the windows 7 partition available to
linux and at the same time preventing windows 7 from booting.
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Kenneth Gonsalves


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From suhitkelkar@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 08:20:56 2010
From: Suhit Kelkar <suhitkelkar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:20:52 +0530
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I would also suggest reading reviews of Fedora and Ubuntu online. You could
visit a reputable website like Linux Today (linuxtoday.com), or Ars Technica
(arstechnica.com), or Linux Journal (linuxjournal.com).

Suhit Kelkar

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From sadhu@iitb.ac.in Tue Oct  5 10:13:15 2010
From: Nachiketa Sadhu <sadhu@iitb.ac.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:13:03 +0530
Message-ID: <4CAAACD7.6010001@iitb.ac.in>
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Mehul Ved wrote:
> Hey,
> Did you get the proxy working with the tablet?

No not yet. Have been too occupied with other work.

Thanks and regards.

sadhu

>> I now can not configure internet proxy setting on the android tablet. Thou=
gh
>> through google search I have been getting some instructions, but they do
>> not match the menus on my device. It runs kernel
>> 2.6.29-00236-g4f8dbbb-dirty, build number 1.9.1 and firmware version 1.6.
>>
>> I would be grateful if some one can give pointers to solve my problem.
>>
>> Thanks and regards.
>>
>> sadhu


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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Tue Oct  5 10:43:28 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:42:56 +0530
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On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 08:20 +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
> I would also suggest reading reviews of Fedora and Ubuntu online. You
> could
> visit a reputable website like Linux Today (linuxtoday.com), or Ars
> Technica
> (arstechnica.com), or Linux Journal (linuxjournal.com). 

please follow accepted modes of posting.
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Kenneth Gonsalves


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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Tue Oct  5 11:43:25 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:58:48 +0530
Message-ID: <201010051058.48780.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 18:30:06 Sugandha Naolekar wrote:

> Hello!!
>
> I want to install linux on my system. Which flavour would be
> preferrable in that-Fedora or Ubuntu?
>
> - As far as look and cool GUI is concerned, Fedora is preferred.

Elive,  the Enlightenment distro makes other guis look like stone 
inscriptions.

> -But, there are many dependencies that need to be resolved with
> Fedora. So, Ubuntu is preferred as a stable version.

A distro always resolves dependencies for you.


-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Tue Oct  5 11:44:25 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:52:36 +0530
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On Tuesday 05 October 2010 06:29:11 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:17 +0530, Raj Mathur (=E0=A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=9C =
=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A5=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=B0) wrote:
> > On Monday 04 Oct 2010, Gourav Shah wrote:
> > > I have recently started a project called freeSWITCHBOX
> > > appliance. Its a tailor made distro which comes bundled with
> > > FreeSWITCH Open Telephony software and blue.box GUI from 2600Hz
> > > project.  Supports Skype, gtalk integration. Get your telephony
> > > system up and running within minutes.
> >
> > So is there some FOSS way of supporting Skype, or do you have to
> > use proprietary apps and/or libraries for integrating?
>
> or a foss alternative to skype?

There are several.
slfphone
Ekiga
gstreamer

I use Ekiga a lot. We had written some for customising lots of things=20
in Ekiga. Rather than skype, Imo Ekiga would be a better bet.=20



--=20
Rgds
JTD

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From yohan.pereira@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 14:39:22 2010
From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:35:15 +0530
Message-ID: <201010051435.15881.yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
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On Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:58:48 am jtd wrote:
> Elive,  the Enlightenment distro makes other guis look like stone 
> inscriptions.

yes but its rather rough arround the conners (like e17 itslef), and you need 
to pay to install it... this was a while back now i think you can opt for 
filling out some surveys instaed. its more like a good way to try out e17 
before installing it on your favourite distro. 

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- Yohan Pereira.

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Tue Oct  5 16:43:24 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:47:37 +0530
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On Tuesday 05 October 2010 14:35:15 Yohan Pereira wrote:

> On Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:58:48 am jtd wrote:
> > Elive,  the Enlightenment distro makes other guis look like stone
> > inscriptions.
>
> yes but its rather rough arround the conners (like e17 itslef), 

It worked well for my limited trials. No crashes or lockups.
But then I havent done any real testing.

> and 
> you need to pay to install it

No. I am sure it's free beer. I had the latest ISO. This was 6 or 
seven months ago.




-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From yohan.pereira@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 17:07:22 2010
From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:03:22 +0530
Message-ID: <201010051703.22413.yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
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On Tuesday 05 October 2010 2:47:37 pm jtd wrote:
> No. I am sure it's free beer.

no no the iso is free, but to install it on your hdd you need to pay or so.

http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Tue Oct  5 18:10:25 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:11:00 +0530
Message-ID: <201010051811.00839.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Tuesday 05 October 2010 17:03:22 Yohan Pereira wrote:

> On Tuesday 05 October 2010 2:47:37 pm jtd wrote:
> > No. I am sure it's free beer.
>
> no no the iso is free, but to install it on your hdd you need to
> pay or so.

The developer has a sense of humour ;-).

>
> http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ

http://www.elivecd.org/Help/License

I am 100% sure it's freebeer, especially since you really dont need 
the installer - I confess i have no clue about this specific 
installer that the developer is talking about. Infact i never use  
standard installers anyway. So loop mount, copy to some partition, 
edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. end of story.



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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 19:12:10 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:11:57 +0530
Message-ID: <4CAB2B25.6090106@gmail.com>
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On Monday 04 October 2010 11:33 PM, Mehul Ved wrote:
> Hey,
> Did you get the proxy working with the tablet?
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Nachiketa Sadhu<sadhu(a)iitb.ac.in>  wrote:
>    
>

Admin is top posting. Naughty Naughty !!  :-)

Regards,

Rony.

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From nagarjun@gnu.org.in Tue Oct  5 19:19:04 2010
From: Nagarjuna G <nagarjun@gnu.org.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:19:00 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=KnNyUtVuY75XH2KSpUcmFQRTGk3C4snWF61a_@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
> Did you get the proxy working with the tablet?
>

if you have a terminal you can use bash environment variable using
setenv to http_proxy=proxy:portnum

--
GN

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 19:19:49 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which flavour should be preferred?
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:19:38 +0530
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On Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:58 AM, jtd wrote:
>
> Elive,  the Enlightenment distro makes other guis look like stone
> inscriptions.
>
>    

The video looks nice. I will try it out.

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 19:33:44 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:33:12 +0530
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Admin is top posting. Naughty Naughty !!  :-)

Oops. That was supposed to be offlist.

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Tue Oct  5 19:36:25 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:35:53 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxzQPDWX0jxcOzNxYe7fY_=ctca6kmmiQSdpQU@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Nagarjuna G <nagarjun(a)gnu.org.in> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey,
>> Did you get the proxy working with the tablet?
>>
>
> if you have a terminal you can use bash environment variable using
> setenv to http_proxy=proxy:portnum

There's a bug filed on their issue tracker which has been open for a
long time which says that android cannot be used through an
authenticating proxy.
Also, this method works only in Android 1.6 from what I read. For the
newer version you need to store this value in a sqlite database file.


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From gs@initcron.org Wed Oct  6 09:28:28 2010
From: Gourav Shah <gs@initcron.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:28:17 +0530
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> There are several.
> slfphone
> Ekiga
> gstreamer
>
> I use Ekiga a lot. We had written some for customising lots of things
> in Ekiga. Rather than skype, Imo Ekiga would be a better bet.
>
>
Ekiga is great. I may also suggest Qutecom, formerly known as  wengophone (
http://www.qutecom.org/), a easy to use and great looking softphone.

However, the objective of our appliance project is not to provide a SIP
softphone for a desktop.  Objective is to have a appliance to which, one
could connect their regular phone instrument using a voip adapter such as
Linksys PAP2T (http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10029/), make and
receive calls from anywhere in the world. Think of it as a  affordable
alternative to Vonage like VoIP solutions which are very expensive and have
vendor lock ins.

Typical use case would be: Folks who have their son/daughter's/relatives
abroad, need  high volume calling, and do not want to start their desktop
and use some app to make and receive calls. They could just  pick up their
landline like instrument, dial a number which lands either on one's skype
application on computer/cellphone/landline.  Skype provides skypein number
and skype out credits which makes it capable of receiving and making calls
to landlines/cell phones, and provides very affordable calling plans than
subscribing to a SIP provider's plans.  Similarly, google has made calling
US numbers  very affordable with their google voice/gtalk integration after
acquiring grand central project. Thats the reason for choosing skype.  If
there is a alternate libre solution aailable, I would be more than glad to
use it as it would save lot of complexities integrating skype.


Thanks
gs



>
> --
> Rgds
> JTD
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
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From sadhu@iitb.ac.in Wed Oct  6 09:45:24 2010
From: Nachiketa Sadhu <sadhu@iitb.ac.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:45:16 +0530
Message-ID: <4CABF7D4.70405@iitb.ac.in>
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Nagarjuna G wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Mehul Ved<mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> if you have a terminal you can use bash environment variable using
> setenv to http_proxy=proxy:portnum
>
I have been trying to get a terminal on the tablet but could not. Can 
you suggest w to get a terminal?

Google search led me to some solution modifying sqlite databases, but 
that too used a terminal.

Thanks and regards.

sadhu


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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 09:59:45 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Android 1.6 tablet internet proxy setting
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:59:16 +0530
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Nachiketa Sadhu <sadhu(a)iitb.ac.in> wrote:
> I have been trying to get a terminal on the tablet but could not. Can
> you suggest w to get a terminal?

There are terminal apps that you can get from android market.
One such example
http://open-tube.com/linux-terminal-on-android-phone-linux-like-command-line-=
consoles-for-android
But do remember, there's no bash in there. It uses busybox. :)

--=20
With Regards,
Mehul Ved

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Wed Oct  6 11:13:23 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:47:29 +0530
Message-ID: <201010061047.29813.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Wednesday 06 October 2010 09:28:17 Gourav Shah wrote:

> > There are several.
> > slfphone
> > Ekiga
> > gstreamer
> >
> > I use Ekiga a lot. We had written some for customising lots of
> > things in Ekiga. Rather than skype, Imo Ekiga would be a better
> > bet.
>
> Ekiga is great. I may also suggest Qutecom, formerly known as 
> wengophone ( http://www.qutecom.org/), a easy to use and great
> looking softphone.
>
> However, the objective of our appliance project is not to provide a
> SIP softphone for a desktop.  Objective is to have a appliance to
> which, one could connect their regular phone instrument using a
> voip adapter such as Linksys PAP2T
> (http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10029/), make and receive
> calls from anywhere in the world. Think of it as a  affordable
> alternative to Vonage like VoIP solutions which are very expensive
> and have vendor lock ins.

Connecting a voip network to a phone network is prohibited by law. L&T 
paid a whooping Rs.350 Cr. as fines. So be careful with whatever it 
is you are planning.

>
> Typical use case would be: Folks who have their
> son/daughter's/relatives abroad, need  high volume calling, and do
> not want to start their desktop and use some app to make and
> receive calls. 

> They could just  pick up their landline like 
> instrument, dial a number which lands either on one's skype
> application on computer/cellphone/landline.  
> Skype provides skypein 
> number and skype out credits which makes it capable of receiving
> and making calls to landlines/cell phones, and provides very
> affordable calling plans than subscribing to a SIP provider's
> plans.  Similarly, google has made calling US numbers  very
> affordable with their google voice/gtalk integration after
> acquiring grand central project. Thats the reason for choosing
> skype.  If there is a alternate libre solution aailable, I would be
> more than glad to use it as it would save lot of complexities
> integrating skype.

All of the voip providers pay fat licencing fees to the DOT.

-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From kartik.mistry@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 11:41:07 2010
From: Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [X Post] Debian Users
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:40:30 +0530
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Hi,

If you or your organization using Debian, feel free to send submission to,

http://www.debian.org/users/

Guideline: http://www.debian.org/users/#submissions

Thanks and spread the news!

-- 
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm

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From mitul@enterux.com Wed Oct  6 11:45:22 2010
From: Mitul Limbani <mitul@enterux.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Commercial] [OT] VoIP Appliance PBX
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:45:07 +0530
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Dear JT,

Its not as scary as you describe.=20

One of the most funniest thing about our law is that companies trying to sell=
 telephony services must have license whereas consumers can buy whatever they=
 want to and whatever is cheap.=20

Which means selling skype service as a company under company's act need you t=
o have license, but as a consumer you can buy the service using any legal mea=
ns of money transfer (cheque, card etc)

Eventually this results into the fact that a company in india can sell a prod=
uct (just like selling a gun) but with an exception that these companies need=
 not have any license to sell such goods. And even more interesting Democracy=
 allows every indian the right to choose to buy these products from any compa=
ny whichever he/she find comfortable to use. (telephony product and telephony=
 services are two different things)=20

FYI, we have launched our own embedded Single port PRI appliance IPPBX suppor=
ting 30 SIP extensions, any one interested can buzz me.=20

Regards,
Mitul Limbani
Enterux Solutions=20
(P.S.: We are actively looking to build the partner network here in india for=
 this product )

jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote:

>On Wednesday 06 October 2010 09:28:17 Gourav Shah wrote:
>
>> > There are several.
>> > slfphone
>> > Ekiga
>> > gstreamer
>> >
>> > I use Ekiga a lot. We had written some for customising lots of
>> > things in Ekiga. Rather than skype, Imo Ekiga would be a better
>> > bet.
>>
>> Ekiga is great. I may also suggest Qutecom, formerly known as=20
>> wengophone ( http://www.qutecom.org/), a easy to use and great
>> looking softphone.
>>
>> However, the objective of our appliance project is not to provide a
>> SIP softphone for a desktop.  Objective is to have a appliance to
>> which, one could connect their regular phone instrument using a
>> voip adapter such as Linksys PAP2T
>> (http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10029/), make and receive
>> calls from anywhere in the world. Think of it as a  affordable
>> alternative to Vonage like VoIP solutions which are very expensive
>> and have vendor lock ins.
>
>Connecting a voip network to a phone network is prohibited by law. L&T=20
>paid a whooping Rs.350 Cr. as fines. So be careful with whatever it=20
>is you are planning.
>
>>
>> Typical use case would be: Folks who have their
>> son/daughter's/relatives abroad, need  high volume calling, and do
>> not want to start their desktop and use some app to make and
>> receive calls.=20
>
>> They could just  pick up their landline like=20
>> instrument, dial a number which lands either on one's skype
>> application on computer/cellphone/landline. =20
>> Skype provides skypein=20
>> number and skype out credits which makes it capable of receiving
>> and making calls to landlines/cell phones, and provides very
>> affordable calling plans than subscribing to a SIP provider's
>> plans.  Similarly, google has made calling US numbers  very
>> affordable with their google voice/gtalk integration after
>> acquiring grand central project. Thats the reason for choosing
>> skype.  If there is a alternate libre solution aailable, I would be
>> more than glad to use it as it would save lot of complexities
>> integrating skype.
>
>All of the voip providers pay fat licencing fees to the DOT.
>
>--=20
>Rgds
>JTD
>--=20
>http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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From gs@initcron.org Wed Oct  6 11:55:22 2010
From: Gourav Shah <gs@initcron.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:55:19 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmO0BW7pOJRd+YX-t6RvFYtvhjteM-LQYFx2bc@mail.gmail.com>
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> Connecting a voip network to a phone network is prohibited by law. L&T
> paid a whooping Rs.350 Cr. as fines. So be careful with whatever it
> is you are planning.
>
>

You are absolutely right if you are talking about Indian context.  Landing
calls from VoIP  to PSTN and other way around is prohibited in India.  But
its perfectly legal in other countries.  We have no interconnection with
pstn in India in picture if you read the use case again or read on how
vonage works. It will be   phone instrument(not connected to pstn line)  <=>
PAP2T like adapter <=> Appliance running skype <=>
skype/landlines/cellphones. This is perfectly compliant with regulations.

thanks
gs

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From indlinux@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 12:23:52 2010
From: G Karunakar <indlinux@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] local debian mirror
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:23:46 +0530
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Hi,
 I am looking to make a local debian mirror, for Debian testing
(Sqeeze) - main repo is already frozen.
Does anyone maintain local mirror in their college/office which I could copy?

 Since repo is quite big - about 50GB for i386, amd64 binaries,
downloading over regular broadband is not feasible. Even downloading
it over local network which has the mirror, could take few hours
atleast.
My other option is to copy it from IITB who are hosting a mirror -
find someone there who can copy it if given a USB disk, or get onto
their network with laptop+disk and download it (using
debmirror/apt-mirror).

Let me know if anyone has a mirror, or someone in IITB who could help.

Regards,
Karunakar

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From jituviju@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 13:09:53 2010
From: jituviju@gmail.com
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] local debian mirror
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:39:50 +0000
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Let me know if you need my help
I am in iitb

------Original Message------
From: G Karunakar
Sender: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in
To: Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India
ReplyTo: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India
Sent: Oct 6, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] local debian mirror

Hi,
 I am looking to make a local debian mirror, for Debian testing
(Sqeeze) - main repo is already frozen.
Does anyone maintain local mirror in their college/office which I could copy?

 Since repo is quite big - about 50GB for i386, amd64 binaries,
downloading over regular broadband is not feasible. Even downloading
it over local network which has the mirror, could take few hours
atleast.
My other option is to copy it from IITB who are hosting a mirror -
find someone there who can copy it if given a USB disk, or get onto
their network with laptop+disk and download it (using
debmirror/apt-mirror).

Let me know if anyone has a mirror, or someone in IITB who could help.

Regards,
Karunakar
-- 
http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers


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From sugandha.n87@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 13:43:34 2010
From: Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:43:09 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c7PcrhmmCMAn2_r71Lcn81M9oUoUB5dOFFtms@mail.gmail.com>
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Are there some stipendary cool projects available to be worked on, which has
some kind of mentorship and I will get a liberty of working on it on only
weekends? It will provide me following:

   - Learning with all the possible trial and error and experiments by
   playing around with it.
   - A platform to go into the technological world one-level up.
   - A leverage added into the profile.
   - Justified credibility for the work that would be delivered in the form
   of stipend.

Looking forward to Anticipatory options !!
-Regards
Sugandha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-R8gfbump0

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From dineshah@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 14:13:52 2010
From: Dinesh Shah =?utf-8?b?KOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo?=
 =?utf-8?b?4KWH4KS2ICDgpLbgpL7gpLkp?= <dineshah@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:13:27 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRT5MwfQLjZoZcUUXbpD+O_kJm9Q6agpT73qi5@mail.gmail.com>
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Sugandha,

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com>w=
rote:

> Are there some stipendary cool projects available to be worked on, which
> has
> some kind of mentorship and I will get a liberty of working on it on only
> weekends? It will provide me following:
>
>   - Learning with all the possible trial and error and experiments by
>   playing around with it.
>   - A platform to go into the technological world one-level up.
>   - A leverage added into the profile.
>   - Justified credibility for the work that would be delivered in the form
>   of stipend.
>
> Looking forward to Anticipatory options !!
>

Can you please write in English? ;-)


> -Regards
> Sugandha
>

With regards,
--=20
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Shah Micro System Pvt. Ltd.
+91-98213-11906
+91-9833-TICKET
http://www.shahmicro.com
http://iopt.in
http://crm.iopt.in
Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com

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From siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 14:35:50 2010
From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:35:45 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaVeyU7u4QHBO4gyHBpCvMb9E1GxYRZU-_sSYp@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Sugandha Naolekar
<sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there some stipendary cool projects available to be worked on, which has
> some kind of mentorship and I will get a liberty of working on it on only
> weekends? It will provide me following:

Cool definitely, Stipendary, is that a word? I assume you mean you
want a stipend for your work. Not possible in most FOSS projects since
most people work on it for free during their spare time, much like
you're volunteering to do.

>   - Learning with all the possible trial and error and experiments by
>   playing around with it.

That is called 'hacking'. it's what all of us 'hackers' do, so you'll
definitely get this. Not to be confused with 'crackers' of course.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28programmer_subculture%29

for context on this.

>   - A platform to go into the technological world one-level up.

This totally depends on what level you are on right now.

>   - A leverage added into the profile.

This is very subjective too, since it depends how you want to
'leverage' the advantage you get out of FOSS contribution. A lot of us
use it as a platform to learn stuff and implement cool things. These
implementations give us visibility, which in turn gets us jobs/paid
projects to work on.

if you're looking to add it into your resume so that the bigwigs in
Indian IT (TCS, Infy, etc.) notice then it won't help. Many companies
do not really understand FOSS and motivations of a programmer to
contribute to FOSS.

>   - Justified credibility for the work that would be delivered in the form
>   of stipend.

Credibility in the FOSS world is recognition, not money. You will be
acknowledged publicly for your work in the form of copyright notices,
blog posts, references, etc.

> Looking forward to Anticipatory options !!

If stipend is not necessary, you have a multitude of options. Start by
reading code:

https://sourceforge.net/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
http://kde.org/community/getinvolved/
http://www.gnome.org/community/
http://www.xfce.org/development/?PHPSESSID=a38a8a169f0a66afa71b83a984aa72ac

to name a few.

-- 
Siddhesh Poyarekar
http://siddhesh.in

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From sugandha.n87@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 15:16:25 2010
From: Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] How can I contribute?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:15:59 +0530
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Hello!

I want to volunteer and contribute for this chapter or rather a forum. What
all approaches I should take?
-Regards
Sugandha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-R8gfbump0

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Wed Oct  6 15:18:20 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:17:41 +0530
Message-ID: <1286358461.2077.487.camel@localhost>
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On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 13:43 +0530, Sugandha Naolekar wrote:
> Are there some stipendary cool projects available to be worked on,
> which has
> some kind of mentorship and I will get a liberty of working on it on
> only
> weekends? It will provide me following:

actually open source does not work this way. Here we look for projects
we are interested in and work for free. The best way is to look around
for projects in your field of expertise and try out one or two. If you
mention your field of interest we can help you by suggesting projects.

> 
>    - Learning with all the possible trial and error and experiments by
>    playing around with it.
>    - A platform to go into the technological world one-level up.
>    - A leverage added into the profile.
>    - Justified credibility for the work that would be delivered in the
> form
>    of stipend. 

the first three points will work - credibility will attach to you when
you get commit rights to some project. Believe me, commit rights is the
passport to your future.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


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From sugandha.n87@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 15:22:45 2010
From: Sugandha Naolekar <sugandha.n87@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:22:21 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBWVuQSTA_MpER1NCt6wfeg20Gx+snotgf=+Kw@mail.gmail.com>
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OK!!! It would be really great to start with it then. Though a new-bie in
Linux world, it will teach me lot many things relevant.

@Siddhesh   The links specified by you are the first steps I should take?
-Regards
Sugandha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-R8gfbump0

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From siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 15:27:32 2010
From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:27:26 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==-heiywYW5+QAT0OXJ1V66v26Qf0NvMKj2Eyo@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Sugandha Naolekar
<sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> @Siddhesh   The links specified by you are the first steps I should take?

They are links to various projects, with the sourceforge link being a
place where there are thousands of projects. You should start reading
and understand the code for any project first, before you actually
start contributing.


-- 
Siddhesh Poyarekar
http://siddhesh.in

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From mailbox@mistrynitesh.net Wed Oct  6 16:39:55 2010
From: Nitesh Mistry <mailbox@mistrynitesh.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:39:39 +0530
Message-ID: <20101006110939.GB3806@mistrys>
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On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:35:45PM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> If stipend is not necessary, you have a multitude of options. Start by
> reading code:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
> http://kde.org/community/getinvolved/
> http://www.gnome.org/community/
> http://www.xfce.org/development/?PHPSESSID=a38a8a169f0a66afa71b83a984aa72ac
> 
> to name a few.

Adding launchpad to the list:
https://launchpad.net/projects/+all

-- 
Regards,
Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From paul.schwarz@enrouteinc.com Wed Oct  6 17:33:57 2010
From: Paul Schwarz <paul.schwarz@enrouteinc.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Touch Screen Driver Issue [question]
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:33:33 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikp_Fnnm4Ssagv8kDa5O5hUxaHtK1LpAsXH8XW+@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Group,

I pose the following dilemma and look forward to enthusiastic discussions.

As mentioned in a previous e-mail to you'll, we have developed an embedded
PC with a touch screen. This device runs on a RMI, Alchemy processor
(AU1250) and its touch screen is connected to this CPU via an ADS7843 chip
and through the SPI bus. So far so good and pretty standard. The system
originally ran on WinCE5.0 (Booooo!) and we are currently porting it to
Linux.

Now the problem that we are facing is that after the first 3-4 touch events,
no more touch events are recorded after that and the sensitivity of the
clicks is very weak. Lastly, when the screen is touched while a video is
playing the video and audio pause for the duration of the touch.

One of the reasons for why we are having problems with the screen's
response, could be that the aforementioned SPI connection is multiplexed
(74CBELV3257) with an on-board battery and RTC (DS1339) - see page 9 of the
attached schematics.

I would really appreciate any guidance someone can give based on prior
experience. Please see the schematics and the touch screen driver code for
reference (http://drop.io/g8hz909). Since we are based out of Bombay we
could also meet up and discuss this in further detail. Of course, we are
willing to compensate high-quality assistance that leads to eventual
resolution of the problem.

Thank you guys very much in advance.
Have fun,
Paul

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From sijisunny@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 17:56:31 2010
From: Siji Sunny <sijisunny@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Touch Screen Driver Issue [question]
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:56:21 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N+1kBupcUbdR2STsFuT9v2wAU8j0b2axOPxY6@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Paul Schwarz <paul.schwarz(a)enrouteinc.com>w=
rote:

> Hi Group,
>
> I pose the following dilemma and look forward to enthusiastic discussions.
>
> As mentioned in a previous e-mail to you'll, we have developed an embedded
> PC with a touch screen. This device runs on a RMI, Alchemy processor
> (AU1250) and its touch screen is connected to this CPU via an ADS7843 chip
> and through the SPI bus. So far so good and pretty standard. The system
> originally ran on WinCE5.0 (Booooo!) and we are currently porting it to
> Linux.
>

Which Linux distribution you are using ?Have to added the Driver properly?
I guess ad7843 is Ti's Chipset and it's driver is freely available for
download.


> Now the problem that we are facing is that after the first 3-4 touch
> events,
> no more touch events are recorded after that and the sensitivity of the
> clicks is very weak. Lastly, when the screen is touched while a video is
> playing the video and audio pause for the duration of the touch.
>
> How you are testing these (Touch Events), Are you trying with any
standalone application or with the Operating System features ?
Which tool you are using for the Calibration of TS.


One of the reasons for why we are having problems with the screen's
> response, could be that the aforementioned SPI connection is multiplexed
> (74CBELV3257) with an on-board battery and RTC (DS1339) - see page 9 of the
> attached schematics.
>

You cant send the files as attachment here.So provide some other source for
reviewing the schematics.


>
>
>
> --
Siji Sunny
Net4uonline Pvt.Ltd
Mumbai

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From hackingkk@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 20:39:25 2010
From: hackingKK <hackingkk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] How can I contribute?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:39:15 +0530
Message-ID: <4CAC911B.6030608@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Mq49LOgc1MuHAsPC1X5e6zJ7HxJOS+KGzzyAw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 06 October 2010 03:15 PM, Sugandha Naolekar wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I want to volunteer and contribute for this chapter or rather a forum. What
> all approaches I should take?
>    


Depends on your expertese and your interests.
Unlike many new comers think, coding is not just the only thing you can 
do to contribute.
So regarding this mailing list and the overall GLUG community, there are 
various things you can do.
Helping others with problems is one way and raising important queries is 
another.

Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


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From knura9@gmail.com Wed Oct  6 20:48:09 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re..!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:48:05 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgr6z-k9rgvjvgo5LNNg4V4+Y=qxAYxjFdtwBZ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Sugandha Naolekar
<sugandha.n87(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there some stipendary cool projects available to be worked on, which has
> some kind of mentorship and I will get a liberty of working on it on only
> weekends? It will provide me following:

Hmm looks like you want to eat the cake and have it too - every which
way in your favor.

I have an idea (software) that you can work on - it will enhance an
existing open source project - no stipend though.

Also, henceforth, please start a discussion with a meaningful subject line.

-- Arun Khan

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Thu Oct  7 11:17:24 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Touch Screen Driver Issue [question]
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:17:59 +0530
Message-ID: <201010071117.59708.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Wednesday 06 October 2010 17:33:33 Paul Schwarz wrote:

> Hi Group,
>
> I pose the following dilemma and look forward to enthusiastic
> discussions.

could you post plain old PDFs of the schematic. those flash-pdfs are a 
thorough pita.

>
> As mentioned in a previous e-mail to you'll, we have developed an
> embedded PC with a touch screen. This device runs on a RMI, Alchemy
> processor (AU1250) and its touch screen is connected to this CPU
> via an ADS7843 chip and through the SPI bus. So far so good and
> pretty standard. The system originally ran on WinCE5.0 (Booooo!)
> and we are currently porting it to Linux.
>
> Now the problem that we are facing is that after the first 3-4
> touch events, no more touch events are recorded after that and the
> sensitivity of the clicks is very weak. 

The input of the A-D converter is a high impedance source. In a noisy 
environment, the parasitic Cs charge up. This is usually the cause of 
gradual loss of sensitivity. 

> Lastly, when the screen is 
> touched while a video is playing the video and audio pause for the
> duration of the touch.

this could definetly be  the driver waiting for "release" event.



-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 10:17:22 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:47:17 +0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=X7Hj1Q0cvb2a2QZOq6urW04wKZ8T+esWen_D8@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

    The setup is as follows --

Internet --->    Proxy (Squid) ------>   FTP server
                  eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
                  eth1-118.x.x.x

      I have few public IP's.
      I want to nat a public ip to FTP server.So that anyone can access FTP
server from outside.
      FTP configured with port no 1111 with listen_port=1111.
      It is working fine --#ftp 192.y.y.y:1111
      I want this should work with public ip & same port no.


please help me out.

Thanks

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 10:34:29 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:34:03 +0530
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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 10:49:46 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:19:39 +0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTinerBNiFFZkstc=MKU5rERS-EF4qDq_K_VAArb1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >    The setup is as follows --
> >
> > Internet --->    Proxy (Squid) ------>   FTP server
> >                  eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
> >                  eth1-118.x.x.x
> >
> >      I have few public IP's.
> >      I want to nat a public ip to FTP server.So that anyone can access
> FTP
> > server from outside.
> >      FTP configured with port no 1111 with listen_port=1111.
> >      It is working fine --#ftp 192.y.y.y:1111
> >      I want this should work with public ip & same port no.
>
> You need to forward the port on your proxy server using iptables.
> An example http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
>
>
> --
> With Regards,
> Mehul Ved
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>


Hi..Mehul,

    I want external users to access my internal ftp through public ip.
     The public ip is from 118.x.x.x series , it is not configured anywhere
to any ethernet card.

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 11:48:07 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:47:42 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2AgBcGSZSL2d1gxL-D-XUS7eGgKfVOtE0dWGu@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0The setup is as follows --
>> >
>> > Internet ---> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Proxy (Squid) ------> =C2=A0 FTP server
>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0eth0-192.y=
.y.y =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 192.y.y.y
>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0eth1-118.x=
.x.x

this statement and the one below don't match.

> Hi..Mehul,
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I want external users to access my internal ftp through public=
 ip.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The public ip is from 118.x.x.x series , it is not configured=
 anywhere
> to any ethernet card.

As per the diagram in your original post, the users from the internet
will access ftp through port 1111 on 118.x.x.x. and if the port
forwarding is setup properly, their request will be forwarded to the
FTP server.

--=20
With Regards,
Mehul Ved

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From dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 11:52:22 2010
From: Dinesh Joshi <dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:21:56 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxF+HjmXNRG8mc60Kyr0GDhaJ9ShoACOTZecU-@mail.gmail.com>
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The best way to resolve your issue would be if you could just pick up
a networking book and skim through it. There are so many things you
should learn about before attempting to ask for help. Here, have a
free list: http://www.amazon.com/Networking-books/lm/3UOSOCPBMK0G7

Trust me. In the long run it will benefit you.

Dinesh



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >    The setup is as follows --
>> >
>> > Internet --->    Proxy (Squid) ------>   FTP server
>> >                  eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
>> >                  eth1-118.x.x.x
>> >
>> >      I have few public IP's.
>> >      I want to nat a public ip to FTP server.So that anyone can access
>> FTP
>> > server from outside.
>> >      FTP configured with port no 1111 with listen_port=1111.
>> >      It is working fine --#ftp 192.y.y.y:1111
>> >      I want this should work with public ip & same port no.
>>
>> You need to forward the port on your proxy server using iptables.
>> An example http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
>>
>>
>> --
>> With Regards,
>> Mehul Ved
>> --
>> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>>
>
>
> Hi..Mehul,
>
>    I want external users to access my internal ftp through public ip.
>     The public ip is from 118.x.x.x series , it is not configured anywhere
> to any ethernet card.
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 11:52:30 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:22:25 +0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTikeXsEzRQX9hNxMbrBVKYQKqPCRaiPzpdw2C-hC@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >    The setup is as follows --
> >> >
> >> > Internet --->    Proxy (Squid) ------>   FTP server
> >> >                  eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
> >> >                  eth1-118.x.x.x
>
> this statement and the one below don't match.
>
> > Hi..Mehul,
> >
> >    I want external users to access my internal ftp through public ip.
> >     The public ip is from 118.x.x.x series , it is not configured
> anywhere
> > to any ethernet card.
>
> As per the diagram in your original post, the users from the internet
> will access ftp through port 1111 on 118.x.x.x. and if the port
> forwarding is setup properly, their request will be forwarded to the
> FTP server.
>
> --
> With Regards,
> Mehul Ved
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

Hi,

     I want to configure ftp to different public ip other than squid's
public ip.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 21:49:03 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:48:51 +0530
Message-ID: <4CAF446B.5040707@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=X7Hj1Q0cvb2a2QZOq6urW04wKZ8T+esWen_D8@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 08 October 2010 10:17 AM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
> Hi,
>
>      The setup is as follows --
>
> Internet --->     Proxy (Squid) ------>    FTP server
>                    eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
>                    eth1-118.x.x.x
>
>        I have few public IP's.
>        I want to nat a public ip to FTP server.So that anyone can access FTP
> server from outside.
>        FTP configured with port no 1111 with listen_port=1111.
>        It is working fine --#ftp 192.y.y.y:1111
>        I want this should work with public ip&  same port no.
>
>
>    
If you want a particular machine on lan to be accessible from outside 
then you have to forward the port traffic from the public ip to your 
private machine ip in your routing device like ADSL router, firewall 
(iptables) box, etc. Use static ips for those LAN machines.

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Fri Oct  8 21:57:55 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:57:30 +0530
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> Hi,
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I want to configure ftp to different public ip other than squ=
id's
> public ip.

Why does it matter?
But, if you still want that, the simplest possible solution will be to
put an additional network card and configure the IP to that device.
And then do the port forwarding.
Or you can do it from your router, if it supports multiple WAN IP addresses.


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Mehul Ved

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From knura9@gmail.com Sat Oct  9 11:41:12 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:41:08 +0530
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:

.... major snip .....
> Hi,
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I want to configure ftp to different public ip other than squ=
id's
> public ip.

As others have suggested you need to "port forward" for the service.
Please read up on port forwarding.    All such settings should be in
your ISP's modem/router - please read up the documentation for your
ISP's modem/router.  On my MTNL modem/router, FTP port forwarding rule
comes as a template in which I just need to provide the IP number of
my LAN machine.  There must be something similar to it in your
modem/router.  Alternately, most modem/routers provide a "single" DMZ
host.  You can put your FTP server as this DMZ host.

-- Arun Khan

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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 11:02:40 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:32:27 +0700
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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Arun Khan <knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> .... major snip .....
> > Hi,
> >
> >     I want to configure ftp to different public ip other than squid's
> > public ip.
>
> As others have suggested you need to "port forward" for the service.
> Please read up on port forwarding.    All such settings should be in
> your ISP's modem/router - please read up the documentation for your
> ISP's modem/router.  On my MTNL modem/router, FTP port forwarding rule
> comes as a template in which I just need to provide the IP number of
> my LAN machine.  There must be something similar to it in your
> modem/router.  Alternately, most modem/routers provide a "single" DMZ
> host.  You can put your FTP server as this DMZ host.
>
> -- Arun Khan
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>


Hi,

      I have few public IP's ..I don't have modem...My proxy configured as
transparent with two ethernet cards.
      If i apply DNAT rule then i can access the vsftpd system locally with
public ip.but i can't access the system on lan..

The rule applied as follows --

#iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 118.x.x.x -j DNAT --to 192.y.y.y

this 118.x.x.x is no where assigned in the network so where should i apply
port forwarding if no ethernet card available for that ip.

i am struggling on this issue since 5 days.

thanks for any help.

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From knura9@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 11:56:41 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:56:37 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim=1Xni3jc4xgUoKCg9M1dC0FxRcwDOFSa8FOqo@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wro=
te:
... snip ...

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I have few public IP's ..I don't have modem...My proxy =
configured as
> transparent with two ethernet cards.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If i apply DNAT rule then i can access the vsftpd syste=
m locally with
> public ip.but i can't access the system on lan..
>
> The rule applied as follows --
>
> #iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 118.x.x.x -j DNAT --to 192.y.y.y
>
> this 118.x.x.x is no where assigned in the network so where should i apply
> port forwarding if no ethernet card available for that ip.

Please see [1].   Your ISP must have installed some kind of box on
your premise that converts the media from cable/ DSL / leased line /
to Ethernet frames to connect to your LAN.  You need to read the docs
on that device and/or talk to the support guys @ your ISP.  Your
118.x.x.x is most likely assigned to that box.


> i am struggling on this issue since 5 days.

[1] I would strongly advice you to learn the basics of network
topology in a visual form.  IMO, w/o a visual topology it is difficult
to explain how your network is setup and w/o that info it is next to
impossible for anyone to help you.   You may continue to struggle for
many more days if you are unwilling to take this step.

-- Arun Khan

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Mon Oct 11 12:43:34 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:22:29 +0530
Message-ID: <201010111222.29276.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Monday 11 October 2010 11:56:37 Arun Khan wrote:

> >      I have few public IP's ..I don't have modem...My proxy
> > configured as transparent with two ethernet cards.
> >      If i apply DNAT rule then i can access the vsftpd system
> > locally with public ip.but i can't access the system on lan..
> >
> > The rule applied as follows --
> >
> > #iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 118.x.x.x -j DNAT --to
> > 192.y.y.y
> >
> > this 118.x.x.x is no where assigned in the network so where
> > should i apply port forwarding if no ethernet card available for
> > that ip.

An ip is assigned (finally) to a physical device with a mac. You may 
configure virtual devices with an IP. But they must finally be tied 
to a physical device with a mac. 

> Please see [1].   Your ISP must have installed some kind of 

He could be the ISP.

> box on 
> your premise that converts the media from cable/ DSL / leased line
> / to Ethernet frames to connect to your LAN.  You need to read the
> docs on that device and/or talk to the support guys @ your ISP. 
> Your 118.x.x.x is most likely assigned to that box.
>
> > i am struggling on this issue since 5 days.
>
> [1] I would strongly advice you to learn the basics of network
> topology in a visual form. 

Foe whatever he is trying to do, he needs to know a lot more than the 
basics, else he will be owned.



-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 15:35:36 2010
From: Rony Bill <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:35:26 +0530
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>
> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
>
> Hi,
>
>      I have few public IP's ..I don't have modem...My proxy configured as
> transparent with two ethernet cards.
>


In what way are these public IPs linked to your network?




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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 17:29:44 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:28:38 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=smsCNTVxhG8jj4V1dGwgwRC5TCw_5_NQ2RdpR@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Rony Bill <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >      I have few public IP's ..I don't have modem...My proxy configured as
> > transparent with two ethernet cards.
> >
>
>
> In what way are these public IPs linked to your network?
>
>
>
>
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> Rony.
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>



Hi,


    It's the Public IP pool provided from ISP.
   The IP's not configured anywhere in the network.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 19:37:54 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:37:45 +0530
Message-ID: <4CB31A31.9070708@gmail.com>
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On Monday 11 October 2010 05:28 PM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>      It's the Public IP pool provided from ISP.
>     The IP's not configured anywhere in the network.
>    

Hi.    Now as JTD mentioned, you will have to have some device to which 
your proposed IP is bound to. If your ISP is giving you a LAN cable only 
then you will need a computer with 2 ethernet cards. One card connects 
to the ISP and it is assigned the public IP as per directions from your 
ISP. The other card connects to your LAN so it has the LAN subnet. 
Assuming that you have an ftp server in your LAN, your dual card 
computer will have to be configured as a router and have port forwarding 
for ftp, pointing to the LAN ip of your ftp server.

In the connection diagram below, the device in [ ] is your dual card pc 
used as a router.


Internet --> [ Card_Public IP <--> Routing and Port Forwarding Rules 
<--> Card_LAN IP ] --> LAN Hub/Switch --> LAN FTP Server

Once the dual card computer is properly configured with iptables for 
routing and port forwarding, anyone from the internet can now reach your 
internal ftp server via the routing box.

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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 19:58:25 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Ubuntu 10.10 user experience with broadband datacards
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:28:20 +0000
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Hello List,

I have downloaded the Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop and alternate install ISO images
last night.  I'm posting this from a bootable USB pendrive installation
(with persistence) of Maverick while on the road.

I have two broadband datacards - Huawei EC1262 from Reliance Netconnect and
ZTE AC2766 from MTS MBlaze.  Both have started working 'out-of-the-box'
through network manager.  Earlier (10.04 Lucid), I had to run through a lot
of trial-and-error, even after compiling and installing the latest
usb_modeswitch version, in order to connect to the internet.

I have earlier posted about only the ZTE AC2766 working with network
manager, while the Huawei EC1262 only worked with wvdial, and that too,
after frequent attempts.  Now, all I have to do is plug the card in the USB
slot, (wait for a few seconds to see the appropriate LED start flashing),
and then launch network manager on the Gnome panel, as usb_modeswitch is
included by default.

What is more, without having to wait for the appropriate connection option
to appear, I have to just 'Add' a connection to the 'Mobile Broadband' tab
under the 'Edit connections' option.  The resulting dialog droid does not
show you your modem brand / model initially, but you have to just click
'Next' and select India from the list of countries.  Thereafter, you are
presented with a list of service providers using your specific brand and
model of modem.

Next step, just enter the default username and password supplied by your
provider, and you're ready to go.  You sometimes also get a confirmation of
your provider and model on the Finish page of the dialog.

In terms of operating experience, the MTS connection drops off suddenly and
in a short time, while the Reliance one has been steady for a while now.  I
must also mention that I downloaded the ISO torrents on my Reliance
connection with an average download speed better 180 kpbs.

My first impression of Maverick is that the performance seems snappier.  The
System>Appearance dialog now has the Visual Effects tab included by default,
so you can go and choose your compiz effects level immediately.

That is all I have time for right now, and obviously many of the early
adopters among you will have something to add by way of comments.

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From stargazer.dave@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 20:03:23 2010
From: Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Ubuntu 10.10 user experience with broadband datacards
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:33:20 +0000
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Nishit Dave <stargazer.dave(a)gmail.com>wrot=
e:

> Hello List,
>
> I have downloaded the Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop and alternate install ISO images
> last night.
>


> My first impression of Maverick is that the performance seems snappier.
> The System>Appearance dialog now has the Visual Effects tab included by
> default, so you can go and choose your compiz effects level immediately.
>
> That is all I have time for right now, and obviously many of the early
> adopters among you will have something to add by way of comments.
>

To add, since I am running this from a Live CD ISO, now there is a
persistent nag dialog asking you to choose to Try or Install Ubuntu to your
hard disc everytime you boot and reach the graphical desktop.  It would have
been alright if whatever it does post making a choice did not slow down the
boot completion to much longer than in 10.04.

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From raju@linux-delhi.org Mon Oct 11 20:37:38 2010
From: Raj Mathur =?utf-8?b?KOCksOCkvuCknAkg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwKQ==?=
 <raju@linux-delhi.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:37:20 +0530
Message-ID: <201010112037.20963.raju@linux-delhi.org>
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On Monday 11 Oct 2010, Rony wrote:
> On Monday 11 October 2010 05:28 PM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
> >      It's the Public IP pool provided from ISP.
> >     
> >     The IP's not configured anywhere in the network.
> 
> Hi.    Now as JTD mentioned, you will have to have some device to
> which your proposed IP is bound to. If your ISP is giving you a LAN
> cable only then you will need a computer with 2 ethernet cards. One
> card connects to the ISP and it is assigned the public IP as per
> directions from your ISP. The other card connects to your LAN so it
> has the LAN subnet. Assuming that you have an ftp server in your
> LAN, your dual card computer will have to be configured as a router
> and have port forwarding for ftp, pointing to the LAN ip of your ftp
> server.

Sorry to nitpick, but you don't necessarily need two Ethernets on any 
device.  You can work it just fine with a computer with a single 
Ethernet card and IP aliases.  Create two logical networks on the 
machine, one for the WAN side and another for the LAN side, and they 
will happily co-exist on the same physical Ethernet network and 
interface.

Of course, you will need a small switch or a hub (do those even exist 
anymore?) to be able to interconnect everything.

Regards,

-- Raj
-- 
Raj Mathur                raju(a)kandalaya.org      http://kandalaya.org/
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From knura9@gmail.com Mon Oct 11 22:34:13 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:34:08 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCo1ukji193FpUickzc7TRArhkJP3heRGycOc=@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0It's the Public IP pool provided from ISP.
> =C2=A0 The IP's not configured anywhere in the network.

Then how is your proxy server able to access sites on the Internet?

>From your proxy server execute the following command line and share
it's output with us.

                    traceroute -n www.yahoo.com

It will help demystify your network setup.

-- Arun Khan

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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Tue Oct 12 10:07:31 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:37:25 +0700
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday 11 October 2010 05:28 PM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >      It's the Public IP pool provided from ISP.
> >     The IP's not configured anywhere in the network.
> >
>
> Hi.    Now as JTD mentioned, you will have to have some device to which
> your proposed IP is bound to. If your ISP is giving you a LAN cable only
> then you will need a computer with 2 ethernet cards. One card connects
> to the ISP and it is assigned the public IP as per directions from your
> ISP. The other card connects to your LAN so it has the LAN subnet.
> Assuming that you have an ftp server in your LAN, your dual card
> computer will have to be configured as a router and have port forwarding
> for ftp, pointing to the LAN ip of your ftp server.
>
> In the connection diagram below, the device in [ ] is your dual card pc
> used as a router.
>
>
> Internet --> [ Card_Public IP <--> Routing and Port Forwarding Rules
> <--> Card_LAN IP ] --> LAN Hub/Switch --> LAN FTP Server
>
> Once the dual card computer is properly configured with iptables for
> routing and port forwarding, anyone from the internet can now reach your
> internal ftp server via the routing box.
>
> --
>
> As a proper list etiquette...
> Please trim your replies.
> Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
> Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rony.
>
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>


Hi,

     Yes..i have eth1 configuration for public acces
      And eth0 for private access ..it is true..
I natted & masqueraded eth0 with eth1 connections And did transparent proxy
configuration on that system.
Now here is the condition....

If any request coming towards 118.y.y.y with port XXXX should forwarded to
192.x.x.x with port XXXX.

I want to assign above rule through iptables.
But i don't want to configure the public ip for vsftpd anywhere.

Thanks.

--===============3871349885409561554==--


From shahidfarooqui@gmail.com Tue Oct 12 11:26:22 2010
From: Shahid Farooqui <shahidfarooqui@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Spoken Tutorial Campus Ambassador programme at IIT Bombay
 on the 19th of October, 2010
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:26:15 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0sLPNByQLHjOFy2hYzSE52bNNwL+_C72vSXFz@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear All,

Welcome to the Spoken Tutorial Project being developed at IIT Bombay.
Through this project we create Spoken Tutorials on various FOSS - Free and
Open Source Software.

As a part of spreading awareness of the project, we are organising the
Spoken Tutorial Campus Ambassador programme at IIT Bombay on the 19th of
October, 2010 between 4 to 6 pm. We invite you to attend this event. Please
go to the following link and fill the pre-registration form if you are keen
on attending this event.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=3DdG16b1VqNzlHLXRuVjZjb3Frb2=
NWQ0E6MQ

Please be informed that participation in this event is free. There is no
registration fees for this. TA/DA will not be provided either.

The Spoken Tutorial Campus Ambassador Programme aims to appoint students who
are in 2nd year UG or any of the higher UG or PG years to be the face of
Spoken Tutorials in their colleges/campuses. They will help spread the
awareness about this project. Their primary task will be to encourage the
students and faculty in their college to contribute towards the creation and
dubbing of Spoken Tutorials of open source softwares.

Please go through our following wiki link for more information on the FOSS
initiatives at IIT Bombay.

http://spoken-tutorial.org/wiki

Thanking you in anticipation.

Come partner with us... help bridge the digital divide!

--------------------------------------------------
Shahid Ali Farooqui
Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay
Powai, Mumbai, India
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From venkyh@gmail.com Tue Oct 12 13:01:33 2010
From: Venkatesh Hariharan <venkyh@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Open Standards Videos
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:01:28 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbkJHvin39wY+Mmj+8icCaW=Dwip7ZeqHnZzi7@mail.gmail.com>
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For those interested in Open Standards, the videos of my interview on this
subject by NewsClick (www.newsclick.in) may be of interest. I have tried to
explain the issues in simple language.

Part I at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9St0ZeMSHb0 and
Part II at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEhsf2UaDOM

Regards,

Venky

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Tue Oct 12 22:02:43 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:02:32 +0530
Message-ID: <4CB48DA0.40106@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <201010112037.20963.raju@linux-delhi.org>
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On Monday 11 October 2010 08:37 PM, Raj Mathur (=E0=A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=9C =
=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A5=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=B0) wrote:
>
> Sorry to nitpick, but you don't necessarily need two Ethernets on any
> device.  You can work it just fine with a computer with a single
> Ethernet card and IP aliases.  Create two logical networks on the
> machine, one for the WAN side and another for the LAN side, and they
> will happily co-exist on the same physical Ethernet network and
> interface.
>
> Of course, you will need a small switch or a hub (do those even exist
> anymore?) to be able to interconnect everything.
>
>   =20

That is cool. So we can connect the incoming internet cable (with public=20
ip) to the LAN switch and the firewall has a single ethernet card (with=20
2 log. nets) connected to the LAN switch too. Each one talks within=20
their subnets.

The only drawback would be a little lowering of network speed which may=20
be negligible but a bigger danger of someone outside the premises=20
cutting the incoming internet cable, crimping an RJ45 on it and=20
connecting it to a laptop. Now the laptop is directly in the company's=20
LAN, bypassing the firewall.

--=20

As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.

Regards,

Rony.


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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Tue Oct 12 22:14:43 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:14:32 +0530
Message-ID: <4CB49070.3080401@gmail.com>
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On Tuesday 12 October 2010 10:07 AM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>       Yes..i have eth1 configuration for public acces
>        And eth0 for private access ..it is true..
> I natted&  masqueraded eth0 with eth1 connections And did transparent proxy
> configuration on that system.
> Now here is the condition....
>
> If any request coming towards 118.y.y.y with port XXXX should forwarded to
> 192.x.x.x with port XXXX.
>
> I want to assign above rule through iptables.
> But i don't want to configure the public ip for vsftpd anywhere.
>
>
>    

So your vsftpd is running inside the same box as your proxy. Is that 
right? How do you forward packets from one input interface to the other 
outgoing interface and try to get them back in from the outgoing 
interface? Should the output interface be bridged to a virtual interface 
that is bound to vsftpd? This is a tricky situation.

-- 

As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.

Regards,

Rony.


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From meet2dsk@gmail.com Wed Oct 13 10:27:25 2010
From: Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:57:03 +0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfn2=S88hk=izDRNKQ77Z_gg-H+LOHDT555+bO@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday 12 October 2010 10:07 AM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >       Yes..i have eth1 configuration for public acces
> >        And eth0 for private access ..it is true..
> > I natted&  masqueraded eth0 with eth1 connections And did transparent
> proxy
> > configuration on that system.
> > Now here is the condition....
> >
> > If any request coming towards 118.y.y.y with port XXXX should forwarded
> to
> > 192.x.x.x with port XXXX.
> >
> > I want to assign above rule through iptables.
> > But i don't want to configure the public ip for vsftpd anywhere.
> >
> >
> >
>
> So your vsftpd is running inside the same box as your proxy. Is that
> right? How do you forward packets from one input interface to the other
> outgoing interface and try to get them back in from the outgoing
> interface? Should the output interface be bridged to a virtual interface
> that is bound to vsftpd? This is a tricky situation.
>
> --
>
> As a proper list etiquette...
> Please trim your replies.
> Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
> Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rony.
>
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

Hi,

  I have public ip's range 118.y.y.1 - 118.y.y.5
Squid is running on 118.y.y.1 ( eth1 ) & 192.x.x.1 ( eth0 )
My vsftpd is running on 192.y.y.5 in internal lan.
Now i want to use one of my public ip 118.y.y.2, for accessing vsftpd from
outside.

--===============4143290921598097282==--


From knura9@gmail.com Wed Oct 13 15:34:06 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:34:01 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim+pgJ9hMo4imszxe18KmVpiPjhQbfiQvm=knkB@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wro=
te:

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes..i have eth1 configuration for public acces
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And eth0 for private access ..it is true..
> I natted & masqueraded eth0 with eth1 connections And did transparent proxy
> configuration on that system.

You have now **changed** your story.  IIRC, until this post you kept
mentioning that 118.x.x.x was not configured in any machine on your
premise.

> Now here is the condition....
>
> If any request coming towards 118.y.y.y with port XXXX should forwarded to
> 192.x.x.x with port XXXX.

So are all your 118.x.x.x IPs assigned to eth1 on the Proxy server?

-- Arun Khan

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From knura9@gmail.com Wed Oct 13 15:41:44 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:41:39 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu6hTfScATVCD7Xkxf4VTfTjcQVrp8nmnuP7nu@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dattatray Kamble <meet2dsk(a)gmail.com> wro=
te:
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes..i have eth1 configuration for public acces
>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And eth0 for private access ..it is true..
>> > I natted& =C2=A0masqueraded eth0 with eth1 connections And did transpare=
nt
>> proxy
>> > configuration on that system.
>> > Now here is the condition....
>> >
>> > If any request coming towards 118.y.y.y with port XXXX should forwarded
>> to
>> > 192.x.x.x with port XXXX.
>> >
>> > I want to assign above rule through iptables.
>> > But i don't want to configure the public ip for vsftpd anywhere.
>> >
>> So your vsftpd is running inside the same box as your proxy. Is that
>> right? How do you forward packets from one input interface to the other
>> outgoing interface and try to get them back in from the outgoing
>> interface? Should the output interface be bridged to a virtual interface
>> that is bound to vsftpd? This is a tricky situation.
>>
>> --


... snip ...

Please quote only relevant matter and remove the crud

>
> =C2=A0I have public ip's range 118.y.y.1 - 118.y.y.5
> Squid is running on 118.y.y.1 ( eth1 ) & 192.x.x.1 ( eth0 )
> My vsftpd is running on 192.y.y.5 in internal lan.
> Now i want to use one of my public ip 118.y.y.2, for accessing vsftpd from

Until this post you were saying packets to 118.x.x.x port yyyy to
forward to same port on some internal machine.

Great, you are least becoming specific which should have been done in
your first post.  The whole thread is like a "20 Question" game;
information comes out in pieces.

You need to create a port forward rule from 118.y.y.2 to your internal
vsftpd server.

-- Arun Khan

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From cosmogod@gmail.com Wed Oct 13 23:21:01 2010
From: Akshay Narkar <cosmogod@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] debian
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:20:57 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZ5MMRicys0afpFawNGo3Ma9Z2h+renYQ-YHx-@mail.gmail.com>
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I need debian i386.with cd 1 & 2(DVD will be appreciated).
I stay @ Mahim. Prabhadevi-bandra is easily accessible.
Elsewhere will also do.
Thanks,
Akshay.
P.S: Thank you all fr helping me with ubuntu ...
and special thnx to rev.

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Wed Oct 13 23:52:18 2010
From: Rony <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:52:06 +0530
Message-ID: <4CB5F8CE.3070306@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfn2=S88hk=izDRNKQ77Z_gg-H+LOHDT555+bO@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 13 October 2010 10:27 AM, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>    I have public ip's range 118.y.y.1 - 118.y.y.5
> Squid is running on 118.y.y.1 ( eth1 )&  192.x.x.1 ( eth0 )
> My vsftpd is running on 192.y.y.5 in internal lan.
> Now i want to use one of my public ip 118.y.y.2, for accessing vsftpd from
> outside.
>   =20

These are your earlier statements....

"Internet ---> Proxy (Squid) ------> FTP server

                   eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
                   eth1-118.x.x.x "


" I want to configure ftp to different public ip other than squid's=20
public ip. "

" If i apply DNAT rule then i can access the vsftpd system locally with publi=
c ip.but i can't access the system on lan.."

"this 118.x.x.x is no where assigned in the network so where should i apply p=
ort forwarding if no ethernet card available for that ip."

" It's the Public IP pool provided from ISP. The IP's not configured=20
anywhere in the network. "

"If any request coming towards 118.y.y.y with port XXXX should forwarded=20
to 192.x.x.x with port XXXX. [This was already your solution]

I want to assign above rule through iptables. But i don't want to configure t=
he public ip for vsftpd anywhere. "

"I have public ip's range 118.y.y.1 - 118.y.y.5 Squid is running on 118.y.y.1=
 ( eth1 )&  192.x.x.1 ( eth0 )
My vsftpd is running on 192.y.y.5 in internal lan. Now i want to use one of m=
y public ip 118.y.y.2, for accessing vsftpd from
outside."

Go through the above statements and see what a mess you made with your query.

--=20

As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.

Regards,

Rony.


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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Thu Oct 14 09:54:04 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] debian
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:54:56 +0530
Message-ID: <201010140954.57058.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZ5MMRicys0afpFawNGo3Ma9Z2h+renYQ-YHx-@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:20:57 Akshay Narkar wrote:

> I need debian i386.with cd 1 & 2(DVD will be appreciated).
> I stay @ Mahim. Prabhadevi-bandra is easily accessible.

Which distro? I have Lenny.

-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From mak.gnu@gmail.com Thu Oct 14 12:10:55 2010
From: Mukesh Yadav <mak.gnu@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] enabling SElinux CentOS 5.5
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:10:50 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikNuvS_MnYHBbJX4JFewfpZye1LwUNmX7qDQSzX@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,
 I installed Centos 5.5 and by deafult SElinux was disabled.
I did changes in /etc/selinux/config  and now it looks like this.


SELINUX=enforcing
SELINUXTYPE=targeted
SETLOCALDEFS=0

and rebooted the system. But even after the reboot when I do check the
sestatus it shows disable.
where I'm doing a mistake do I need to change any thing else?
-- 
Regards
Mukesh Yadav

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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Thu Oct 14 14:01:57 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] enabling SElinux CentOS 5.5
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:01:32 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAceXkH6LhZZ8H4S-3qgTxPxwBi7hP2cMA-kOx@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNuvS_MnYHBbJX4JFewfpZye1LwUNmX7qDQSzX@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Mukesh Yadav <mak.gnu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> =C2=A0I installed Centos 5.5 and by deafult SElinux was disabled.
> I did changes in /etc/selinux/config =C2=A0and now it looks like this.
>
>
> SELINUX=3Denforcing
> SELINUXTYPE=3Dtargeted
> SETLOCALDEFS=3D0
>
> and rebooted the system. But even after the reboot when I do check the
> sestatus it shows disable.
> where I'm doing a mistake do I need to change any thing else?

Have you gone through and followed
http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.2/Deployment_Guide/sec-sel-enable-disable=
-enforcement.html


--=20
With Regards,
Mehul Ved

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From vivekcherian@gmail.com Thu Oct 14 20:38:45 2010
From: Vivek Varghese Cherian <vivekcherian@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] enabling SElinux CentOS 5.5
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:38:34 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhrw6RwEw=sNimB=zFwaOWOup-=aPh4YS0skg=@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNuvS_MnYHBbJX4JFewfpZye1LwUNmX7qDQSzX@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Mukesh Yadav <mak.gnu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>  I installed Centos 5.5 and by deafult SElinux was disabled.
> I did changes in /etc/selinux/config  and now it looks like this.
>
>
> SELINUX=enforcing
> SELINUXTYPE=targeted
> SETLOCALDEFS=0
>
> and rebooted the system. But even after the reboot when I do check the
> sestatus it shows disable.
> where I'm doing a mistake do I need to change any thing else?
>
>
>
The 'sestatus' command will show you the status of SE Linux
 whether it is in disabled, enforcing or permissive mode.

On Centos 5 by default, SE Linux is in permissive mode.

Use the 'lokkit' command to change the SELinux status
from 'permissive' to 'enforcing'.

Your machine *might*  require a reboot for your new
SELinux setting to take place.


Regards,
-- 
Vivek Varghese Cherian
Senior Systems Administrator
RHCT ( # 605010995430406)

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From mak.gnu@gmail.com Thu Oct 14 20:59:52 2010
From: Mukesh Yadav <mak.gnu@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] enabling SElinux CentOS 5.5
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:59:43 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6Qve7BO3D8EY6cdv1E+iGQC-ySzOMHjuRMuF5@mail.gmail.com>
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Use the 'lokkit' command to change the SELinux status
> from 'permissive' to 'enforcing'.
>
> Your machine *might*  require a reboot for your new
> SELinux setting to take place.
>
>
ok, I have server from rackspace and I contacted them they said they will
change the status and I have submit a ticket, I dont understand why they
said.
when I got the server by default it was disabled.


>
> Regards,
> --
> Vivek Varghese Cherian
> Senior Systems Administrator
> RHCT ( # 605010995430406)
>
> Website : http://www.vivekcherian.com
> Blog: http://www.vivekcherian.net
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/vivekvc
> IRC: Vivek and ViveKVC on both Freenode and OFTC
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>



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Mukesh Yadav

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From vivekcherian@gmail.com Fri Oct 15 03:23:48 2010
From: Vivek Varghese Cherian <vivekcherian@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] debian
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 03:16:14 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6cCOvxANfi7tUhTMF+t+XkjpOdtR9i8mXY57t@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

I stay in Vikas Finlay Towers, Kala Chowki, Lower Parel.

Please bring in a DVD and I'll write the ISO image on it
for you.

You may contact me off the list for further assistance.


Regards,
-- 
Vivek Varghese Cherian
Senior Systems Administrator
RHCT ( # 605010995430406)

Website : http://www.vivekcherian.com
Blog: http://www.vivekcherian.net
Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/vivekvc
IRC: Vivek and ViveKVC on both Freenode and OFTC
GPG Key fingerprint = 1EB1 0647 9574 18A3 40B5  8D74 F842 576B 3C2B 8538

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From msakamohit@gmail.com Fri Oct 15 13:03:08 2010
From: Mohit Sharma <msakamohit@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Any bar-code generator package?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:02:58 +0530
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Is there any bar-code generator package for F12 ?
I want to generate simple bar-codes for my product on
the basis of its attributes.

Any recommendation ?

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From kartik.mistry@gmail.com Fri Oct 15 13:07:03 2010
From: Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any bar-code generator package?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:06:37 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinR4L=s_8H8WWr9M+FOQbj1GnEb-N-DNjQDpVD7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mohit Sharma <msakamohit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any bar-code generator package for F12 ?
> I want to generate simple bar-codes for my product on
> the basis of its attributes.

kbarcode is nice one.

Nirav wrote nice tutorial on it sometime back:
http://www.mehtanirav.com/2006/08/19/bar-code-labels-with-kbarcoder

-- 
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm

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From raju@linux-delhi.org Fri Oct 15 13:28:13 2010
From: Raj Mathur =?utf-8?b?KOCksOCkvuCknAkg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwKQ==?=
 <raju@linux-delhi.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any bar-code generator package?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:27:41 +0530
Message-ID: <201010151327.41785.raju@linux-delhi.org>
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On Friday 15 Oct 2010, Mohit Sharma wrote:
> Is there any bar-code generator package for F12 ?
> I want to generate simple bar-codes for my product on
> the basis of its attributes.
> 
> Any recommendation ?

If you're going to be generating bar-codes programatically you would do 
worse than a LaTeX barcode package.  There are a few available on CTAN.

Regards,

-- Raj
-- 
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       GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/   ||   It is the mind that moves

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From msakamohit@gmail.com Fri Oct 15 13:44:51 2010
From: Mohit Sharma <msakamohit@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any bar-code generator package?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:44:43 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPTkKUGGpKZQaYSZEDvcYDRaqvFeJ3mSW1=b_n@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for Kbarcode !

2010/10/15 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) <raju(a)linux-delhi.org>:

> If you're going to be generating bar-codes programatically you would do
> worse than a LaTeX barcode package.  There are a few available on CTAN.

actually programatically generation might need some time to spend but I need a
quick solution, but thanks for the recommendation I'll like to
consider it too if I find myself
unsatisfied with kbarcode.

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From ripunjay@hns.net.in Fri Oct 15 17:47:29 2010
From: Ripunjay Bararia <ripunjay@hns.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding accessing public ip in lan
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:47:23 +0530
Message-ID: <4CB84653.5010800@hns.net.in>
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  On 08-10-2010 10:17, Dattatray Kamble wrote:
> Hi,
>
>      The setup is as follows --
>
> Internet --->     Proxy (Squid) ------>    FTP server
>                    eth0-192.y.y.y             192.y.y.y
>                    eth1-118.x.x.x
>
>        I have few public IP's.
>        I want to nat a public ip to FTP server.So that anyone can access FTP
> server from outside.
>        FTP configured with port no 1111 with listen_port=3D1111.
>        It is working fine --#ftp 192.y.y.y:1111
>        I want this should work with public ip&  same port n	o.
>
>
> please help me out.
>
> Thanks
Hey,
You can add the ADDITIONAL 118.x.x.3 (assuming 118.x.x.1 is your=20
gateway, and 118.x.x.2 is being used on your eth1), to an
interface alias

# ifconfig eth1:1 118.x.x.3 netmask 255.255.255.x up

then from the internet test if you can ping this new ip address, you can=20
use

telnet route-server.gblx.net and then ping from there to test if the ip=20
address is reachable, if yes
then you can add the iptables dst nat rule for your ftp server

#iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst ${PUBLIC-IP} -p tcp --dport ${LAN-HOST-P=
ORT} -j DNAT --to-destination ${LAN-HOST-IP}

As this is a ftp server you might face problems so just to be sure add the fo=
llowing src-nat rule also

#iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -d ! ${LAN-HOST-IP} -j SNAT --to ${PUBLIC-IP}

where

${PUBLIC-IP} =3D 118.x.x.3
${LAN-HOST-IP} =3D 192.x.x.x (your ftp server's ip address)
${LAN-HOST-PORT} =3D 1111 (your ftp server's tcp port)

All the above commands are to be executed on the "Squid" machine, and the FTP=
 server's default gateway _needs_ to be
the LAN IP of the "Squid" machine.

Hope this helps.

regards
Ripunjay Bararia













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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Fri Oct 15 23:02:10 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 [ILUG-BOM] FOSS in Indian Schools - A Serious Concern & a Request	to Unite.
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:01:51 +0530
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Dear FOSS Enthusiasts and Activists.
        I am writing this letter to all for a request to create a task force
to advocate FOSS in schools. If we fail to advocate Linux in schools then we
will be failed everywhere.
        Most of the computer users like me are using computer from Last 5-6
year or less. They learned everything in college only. Also at our time
computer was a costly device. We have not faced much difficult in migrating
from Windows to Linux. Now we love Linux based distro and advocate for open
curriculum, content , no-patents, no-DRM etc.
       But today scenario has changed. Computer are available in every *
Mohalla* and Village. many of them are not having Internet connectivity.
they are just using some pirated software. This is not a small population.
This is a very huge population. This huge population of school students is
also including student who do not have money to buy computer but they are
learning using cybercafe and coaching classes.
       If you do not tell them to use FOSS and Linux based Distro, they will
continue using pirated window software for next 10-15 year of their life
until they got lucky to enter into a college where Local LUG is active and
he got change to explore GSoC and other activities OR course curriculum
include FOSS.
       *After 7 year, if you wish to give a lecture for advocating
FOSS/Linux in a college then Do you think you can convince them to use
FOSS/Linux and stop using the proprietary products which he is using from
last 10 years?
*      During a workshop of Kids at NCERT, a 5th class kids refused to work
on Kturtle because he was using LOGO software from last 1 year. Those who do
not know LOGO created very beautiful diagrams with Kturtle.
      You can only reach engineering students at College level Linux/FOSS
promotion and activities. But these student who are going to use proprietary
product for they whole school life will go in various domain like art,
music, law etc. you can never convince them after their mind-wash.
      I learned to do advocacy from two side attack. System is like pyramid.
Bottom side contains huge student. and tip is controlled by those who run
Education system. at top level we need to look for syllabus change and other
activities. At bottom side we need to advocate FOSS and Linux principle in
schools. Imagine the power of community and collaboration value inside this
huge community. This student community need out love, care and guidance. We
can together create a task force and think for various strategies to
introduce FOSS in schools. If you empower this student community then they
can crate whole curriculum and e-learning videos of their syllabus by
themselves.


=3D=3D Duty of Task Force =3D=3D
* Creating mailing list or all FOSS + Edu persons
* Bring all FOSS+Edu on mailing list Or paper newsletter
* Creating Workshop for discussion.
* supporting the development of SchoolOS
* empower technical level of student and teacher
* Creating article for FOSS advocacy
* Creating template letters for creating workshop in schools
* getting help from NCERT and other institutes.
* Creating booklets/Books - Classwise
* Creating Portals for students and teacher
* Creating teacher and student community

Please Join - SchoolOS mailing list -
http://groups.google.com/group/schoolos and wiki.schoolos.org

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=E2=94=80=E2=94=90
=E2=94=82    Narendra Sisodiya
=E2=94=82    http://narendrasisodiya.com
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From david.bucknell@gmail.com Fri Oct 15 23:53:34 2010
From: David Bucknell <david.bucknell@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS in Indian Schools - A Serious Concern & a Request
 to Unite.
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:23:22 +0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTimN9Txuvp50K6e3HPa_ozhjP1grhg8srv2UF+FP@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, Narendra.

Thank you for this interesting snippet of your views and experience
and reflections.

We're planning a special edition of http://flossed.org (aka
http://opensourceschools.org) with articles by those who are/have been
developers, teachers, promoters, users of free and open sources for
education.  We're shooting for mid November.  A number of well-known
players have offered to participate, but we would love to have
articles from you and your readers.  We're looking to make this a sort
of "state of the community" issue
 -- honest and encouraging.



Hoping to hear from those interested.

Sincerely,

David Bucknell
flossed.org
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
> Dear FOSS Enthusiasts and Activists.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am writing this letter to all for a request to=
 create a task force
> to advocate FOSS in schools. If we fail to advocate Linux in schools then we
> will be failed everywhere.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Most of the computer users like me are using com=
puter from Last 5-6
> year or less. They learned everything in college only. Also at our time
> computer was a costly device. We have not faced much difficult in migrating
> from Windows to Linux. Now we love Linux based distro and advocate for open
> curriculum, content , no-patents, no-DRM etc.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 But today scenario has changed. Computer are available=
 in every *
> Mohalla* and Village. many of them are not having Internet connectivity.
> they are just using some pirated software. This is not a small population.
> This is a very huge population. This huge population of school students is
> also including student who do not have money to buy computer but they are
> learning using cybercafe and coaching classes.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you do not tell them to use FOSS and Linux based Di=
stro, they will
> continue using pirated window software for next 10-15 year of their life
> until they got lucky to enter into a college where Local LUG is active and
> he got change to explore GSoC and other activities OR course curriculum
> include FOSS.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 *After 7 year, if you wish to give a lecture for advoc=
ating
> FOSS/Linux in a college then Do you think you can convince them to use
> FOSS/Linux and stop using the proprietary products which he is using from
> last 10 years?
> * =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0During a workshop of Kids at NCERT, a 5th class kids =
refused to work
> on Kturtle because he was using LOGO software from last 1 year. Those who do
> not know LOGO created very beautiful diagrams with Kturtle.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0You can only reach engineering students at College leve=
l Linux/FOSS
> promotion and activities. But these student who are going to use proprietary
> product for they whole school life will go in various domain like art,
> music, law etc. you can never convince them after their mind-wash.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I learned to do advocacy from two side attack. System i=
s like pyramid.
> Bottom side contains huge student. and tip is controlled by those who run
> Education system. at top level we need to look for syllabus change and other
> activities. At bottom side we need to advocate FOSS and Linux principle in
> schools. Imagine the power of community and collaboration value inside this
> huge community. This student community need out love, care and guidance. We
> can together create a task force and think for various strategies to
> introduce FOSS in schools. If you empower this student community then they
> can crate whole curriculum and e-learning videos of their syllabus by
> themselves.
>
>
> =3D=3D Duty of Task Force =3D=3D
> * Creating mailing list or all FOSS + Edu persons
> * Bring all FOSS+Edu on mailing list Or paper newsletter
> * Creating Workshop for discussion.
> * supporting the development of SchoolOS
> * empower technical level of student and teacher
> * Creating article for FOSS advocacy
> * Creating template letters for creating workshop in schools
> * getting help from NCERT and other institutes.
> * Creating booklets/Books - Classwise
> * Creating Portals for students and teacher
> * Creating teacher and student community
>
> Please Join - SchoolOS mailing list -
> http://groups.google.com/group/schoolos and wiki.schoolos.org
>
> --
> =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=
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=E2=94=80=E2=94=90
> =E2=94=82 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Narendra Sisodiya
> =E2=94=82 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://narendrasisodiya.com
> =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=
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> --
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From msakamohit@gmail.com Sat Oct 16 17:01:26 2010
From: Mohit Sharma <msakamohit@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any bar-code generator package?
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:01:18 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUYqh78ChT180cD5bw606NE73QwW2dS7GXrS+D@mail.gmail.com>
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As you guys suggested me kbarcode, I tried it. I want to ask isn't
there any gnome
application for this? since when I used it only works with terminal no
gui kbarcode
option there perhaps because I don't have KDE installed. Is there any
solution for this ?

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From kartik.mistry@gmail.com Sat Oct 16 18:22:46 2010
From: Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any bar-code generator package?
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:22:21 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQz6yM1r2R1ni0BnHgDGFQ3bu9XAh4qHEZtpCT@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Mohit Sharma <msakamohit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> As you guys suggested me kbarcode, I tried it. I want to ask isn't
> there any gnome application for this? since when I used it only works with =
terminal no
> gui kbarcode option there perhaps because I don't have KDE installed. Is th=
ere any
> solution for this ?

barcode.

Help: man barcode

--=20
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm

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From subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com Mon Oct 18 10:12:11 2010
From: Shamit Verma <subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS in Indian Schools - A Serious Concern & a Request
 to Unite.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:12:06 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimu7pjuRP2D_Lt-8u-x35+DYU0kQaSopAB+ze3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Narendra,

Great initiative. We need to think from School / Student's point of view as
well.

To change from status quo, they would need to see some benefits from this
migration. What benefits can be "sold" to them?

Few that I can think of:

1. Free of Cost software
2. Encourages students to look "Under the hood" and learn how things work.
3. Less chances of malware

And we need to tell them about risks as well:

Some risks:

1. Some educational titles require either Windows or Mac (E.g. GRE Prep
tests, Biological Simulators)
2. Local PC vendors might not be competent to service Linux machines (E.g.
adding a new printer and configure page size etc to print bills in specific
template)

-Shamit

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From kmkale@anantcorp.com Mon Oct 18 11:51:42 2010
From: Koustubha Kale <kmkale@anantcorp.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] [Commercial] Need a Business Analyst / Architect for
 a FOSS based project.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:51:14 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimXLJyiPuMPwiKW3zm0n6096-k7WEDEKQ8WRW3Y@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear All,
We have received a mandate to develop a large web based application on FOSS
stack.

We need a consulting Business Analyst / Architect.

Interested people with such experience, please contact me off list..

Regards,
Koustubha Kale
Anant Corporation

Contact Details :
Address  : 103, Armaan Residency, R. W Sawant Road, Nr. Golden Dyes Naka,
Thane (w),
                Maharashtra, India, Pin : 400601.
TeleFax  : +91-22-21720108, +91-22-21720109
Mobile     : +919820715876
Website  : http://www.anantcorp.com
Blog : http://www.anantcorp.com/blog/?author=2

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From knura9@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 14:58:43 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [PLUG] [X-Post]Open Source COM-Beagle Board
 /HawkBoard workshop For Developers in Mumbai-India
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:45:16 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim5qssY4jfmn79nf2ZyPNMzWH_xXkR_MzYHxN7o@mail.gmail.com>
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FYI - forwarding w/o prejudice.

-- Arun Khan


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From: Amit Karpe <amitkarpe(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Subject: [PLUG] [X-Post]Open Source COM-Beagle Board /HawkBoard
workshop For Developers in Mumbai-India
To: cslug(a)yahoogroups.com, plug-mail(a)plug.org.in,
pandaboard(a)googlegroups.com, The Linux-Delhi mailing list
<ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org>, openarmlab(a)googlegroups.com, Ubuntu
India Local Community <ubuntu-in(a)lists.ubuntu.com>,
ubuntu-mobile(a)lists.ubuntu.com, LinuxChix - India
<indichix(a)linuxchix.org>, ILUG-C <ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in>,
kde-india(a)kde.org


Open Source COM-Beagle Board /HawkBoard workshop For Developers =C2=A0in Mumb=
ai-India

Date: 30th Oct 2010
Venue: CDAC Lecture theatre,Juhu, Mumbai.
Registration Fee : 200RS (payment on the spot by cash).

This workshop is jointly organised by Bizmobiletech business
entity-Net4Uonline Pvt. ltd. and CDAC Mumbai supported by Texas
Instruments .

The Core objective of the workshop is to meet and learn from the
developers of Open Source Computer On Module,improve your development
skills with in-depth sessions and training.

Topics To be covered

1.Hardware And OS overview of BeagleBoard

In this session attendees get an overview of the Beagle Board and its
OMAP3530 processor. Also, setting up the beagle board and building and
running various Embedded Linux distros. The session also gives an
overview of the Angstrom operating system, its architecture and major
features.
This session looks at the open embedded Builder and how to use it to
create operating system images and cross compiled packages.

2.Application / UI Development with BeagleBoard Using Clutter

This session will provide an overview of the software and hardware
features available on the OMAP 3 BeagleBoard platform relevant to
consider when creating 3D user interfaces, with a summary of Linux=CA=BCs
graphics software stacks(integrated SGX hardware graphics
accelerator), and an introduction to creating user interfaces by using
Clutter.

3.Hardware And OS overview of hawkBoard

4.H.264/MPEG-4 Advanced Video Coding Using Open Source COM

H.264/MPEG-4 Advanced Video Coding is an international standard for
video compression. The aim of the standard is to provide as good a
video quality at lower bandwidths. The standard has created a set of
profiles like Constrained Baseline Profile (CBP) for video
conferencing and mobile applications, Main profile (MP) for broadcast
and storage applications, etc. While the encoding or producer
functions can be expected to work on high performance specialized
equipment, the client side decoding needs cost effective equipments
like set top boxes in large numbers. While the computationally
intensive functions can be offloaded to special codecs and DSPs, there
are other aspects to be handled by a CoM.

5.Grid tied Solar PV application Using COM

Grid tie of SPV requires CoM. The important functions in the CoM are
1) Inverter functions to convert DC to AC using Pulse Width Modulation
(PWM), Space Vector Modulation (SPV) and Maximum Power Point (MPP)
tracking. 2) PV generation monitoring and reporting system and 3)
Smart grid related protocol handling. Of these the inverter functions
are required and the other two are increasingly becoming important.

6.Android On beagleboard

7.Introduction to beagleboard XM and Panda Board


Source: Siji Sunny

I am going to update more information on this blog:
http://www.amitkarpe.com/2010/10/beagle-board-hawkboard-workshop-for.html

_______________________________________
Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List

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From sijisunny@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 15:05:03 2010
From: Siji Sunny <sijisunny@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [PLUG] [X-Post]Open Source COM-Beagle Board
 /HawkBoard workshop For Developers in Mumbai-India
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:04:57 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N42zwkpcnaXsL+twv2i=75Pw+=wqWL0ZdjB27@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim5qssY4jfmn79nf2ZyPNMzWH_xXkR_MzYHxN7o@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Arun Khan <knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI - forwarding w/o prejudice.
>
>
Thanks Arun..

Visit : http://blog.bizmobiletech.com/  For registration ..



> -- Arun Khan
>
>
-- 
Siji Sunny

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From venkyh@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 15:14:26 2010
From: Venkatesh Hariharan <venkyh@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Google Tech Talk: The Power of Collaborative Innovation
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:51:57 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZYrbsE2nViDvvmayabZPzzgk3er0jejOWdL+-@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=egmCnWDp6ZzyXLq4bfOuypRi+tuRyyX_DBPxJ@mail.gmail.com>
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I recently gave a talk at Google's Bangalore office titled, "The Power of
Collaborative Innovation." This 60 minute talk is now archived at:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleTechTalks#p/u/24/Wye5rh9roh0

The abstract of the talk is given below for your reference.

Venky


Abstract of the talk
====================

The power of collaborative innovation.

The Internet and the growth of the open source movement have lead to a
fundamental change in the way knowledge is created and distributed.
Older generation networks are either one-to-one networks (phones, faxes
etc) or one-to-many networks (TV, Radio etc), while the Internet is a
many-to-many network. As we move to an interconnected world, the balance
of power is shifting from old, proprietary models of knowledge creation
to the open source model that emphasizes collaboration, community and
the shared ownership of knowledge. From management gurus to consulting
firms to leading business schools, everyone is taking note of this new
phenomenon that goes by various names like ‘Collaborative Innovation,’
‘Open Innovation,’ or ‘Distributed Co-creation.’

This session will examine the impact of these trends on our collective
future and how they can be harnessed for social and economic
development. In particular, we will take a closer look at the growing
global knowledge commons and its impact on current issues like open
standards and software patents.

About the speaker
=================

Venkatesh Hariharan is Corporate Affairs Director (Asia-Pacific) for Red
Hat. In this role, he works with industry, academia, government and the
open source community to accelerate the growth of the global open source
movement. In 2006, he was awarded the "Indian Open Source Personality of
the Year" by the organizers of Linux Asia 2006.

Hariharan is a former Executive Editor of Express Computer and the first
Indian to be selected for the prestigious Knight Science Journalism
Fellowship (1998-99) at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. As a
Knight Fellow, Hariharan spent a year looking at cutting edge
technologies that can be deployed for bridging the digital divide.

During his stint at Express Computer, he imparted a dynamic news
orientation to the magazine. He has interviewed some of the leading
figures in the world of technology including Microsoft's Bill Gates,
John Gage of Sun Microsystems, Stan Shih of the Acer Group and many
others. He has written for leading Indian and international publications
including MIT Technology Review, Upside, Slashdot, Economic Times, Times
of India and many others.

After his stint at MIT, Hariharan co-founded of IndLinux.org, one of the
leading localization groups in the India subcontinent. IndLinux.org has
localized the GNOME and KDE interface of Linux to Hindi. The
organization has helped localization groups in India, Bhutan, Nepal and
other countries localize Linux and other open source software to their
native languages. He has delivered talks on open source at leading
academic institutions across the country, including IIT Bombay, IIT
Guwahati, IIIT-Bangalore and many others.

Hariharan believes that open source and free software are powerful tools
to empower emerging economies with the benefits of information
technology. He has advocated the adoption of open source and open
standards in emerging economies for political, cultural and economic
reasons through his writing and his speeches. He is currently setting up
the Open Source Foundation of India.

His long term interest is in the area of technology and public policy.
He maintains a blog on open source and open standards at
www.osindia.blogspot.com.

Hariharan is a member of the Bureau of Indian Standards committee for
data management, which recently reviewed and voted against OOXML.

-0-

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From dheeraj.one@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 15:45:07 2010
From: Dheeraj More <dheeraj.one@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS in Indian Schools - A Serious Concern & a Request
 to Unite.
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:42:44 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAhN0fsQpQcfoBHWA7Uph1ysY=-cuPhum79Bdc@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimu7pjuRP2D_Lt-8u-x35+DYU0kQaSopAB+ze3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Shamit Verma
<subs.linux.mum(a)vshamit.com>wrote:

> Hi Narendra,
>
> Great initiative. We need to think from School / Student's point of view as
> well.
>
> To change from status quo, they would need to see some benefits from this
> migration. What benefits can be "sold" to them?
>
> Few that I can think of:
>
> 1. Free of Cost software
> 2. Encourages students to look "Under the hood" and learn how things work.
> 3. Less chances of malware
>
> And we need to tell them about risks as well:
>
> Some risks:
>
> 1. Some educational titles require either Windows or Mac (E.g. GRE Prep
> tests, Biological Simulators)
> 2. Local PC vendors might not be competent to service Linux machines (E.g.
> adding a new printer and configure page size etc to print bills in specific
> template)
>
> -Shamit
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

Good point Shamit,
but i had a question
which schools are you aiming for
1.Primary/Secondary/Higher secondary/Buisness school/Law school/Medical
school
2.Urban/Rural
why just schools?
there are many coaching classes as well..

and technical difficulties can be taken care of when they arise
but before trying to "sell" anything first be sure what to sell and whom to
sell..
rest is the easy part..

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From dineshah@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 15:51:47 2010
From: Dinesh Shah =?utf-8?b?KOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo?=
 =?utf-8?b?4KWH4KS2ICDgpLbgpL7gpLkp?= <dineshah@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [X-Post] A very good Web Application Security article by
	Philip Telis
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:41 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimT8jRcUM_axkqy6wMnC2VLYG=gjkKD+CrcBkkf@mail.gmail.com>
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Guys and Gals,

You will find this article on Web Application Security by our won Philip
Telis very useful.

http://iopt.in/JqUpMx

With regards,
-- 
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Shah Micro System Pvt. Ltd.
+91-98213-11906
+91-9833-TICKET
http://www.shahmicro.com
http://iopt.in
http://crm.iopt.in
Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com

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From sijisunny@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 16:35:36 2010
From: Siji Sunny <sijisunny@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] One-day workshop on Open Source Computer on Module
 (BeagleBoard/HawkBoard )
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:35:02 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTindH1TgVD2WMOwOW9Cqa2LL+wTGsxCiPSqrAmBm@mail.gmail.com>
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Open Source COM-Beagle Board /HawkBoard workshop For Developers 30th Oct
2010, CDAC Lecture theatre,Juhu MumbaiVisit : http://blog.bizmobiletech.com/

This workshop will be jointly organised by Net4uonline Pvt.Ltd and CDAC
Mumbai supported by Texas Instruments .

The Core objective of the workshop is to meet and learn from the developers
of Open Source Computer On Module,improve your development skills with
in-depth sessions and training.
Topics To be covered 1.Hardware And OS overview of BeagleBoard

In this session attendees get an overview of the Beagle Board and its
OMAP3530 processor.Together with setting up the hardware and building and
running various Embedded Linux distros. The session also gives an overview
of the Angstrom operating system, its architecture and major features.
This session looks at the open embedded Builder and how to use it to create
operating system images and cross compiled packages.
2.Application / UI Development with BeagleBoard Using Clutter

This session will provides an overview of the software and hardware features
available on the OMAP 3 BeagleBoard platform relevant to consider when
creating 3D user interfaces, with a summary of Linuxʼs graphics software
stacks(integrated SGX hardware graphics accelerator), and an introduction to
creating user interfaces by using Clutter.
3.Hardware And OS overview of hawkBoard

4.H.264/MPEG-4 Advanced Video Coding Using Open Source COM

H.264/MPEG-4 Advanced Video Coding is an international standard for video
compression. The aim of the standard is to provide as good a video quality
at lower bandwidths. The standard has created a set of profiles like
Constrained Baseline Profile (CBP) for video conferencing and mobile
applications, Main profile (MP) for broadcast and storage applications etc.
While the encoding or producer functions can be expected to work on high
performance specialized equipment, the client side decoding needs cost
effective equipments like set top boxes in large numbers. While the
computationally intensive functions can be offloaded to special codecs and
DSPs, there are other aspects to be handled by a CoM.
5.Grid tied Solar PV application Using COM

Grid tie of SPV requires CoM. The important functions in the CoM are 1)
Inverter functions to convert DC to AC using Pulse Width Modulation (PWM),
Space Vector Modulation (SPV) and Maximum Power Point (MPP) tracking. 2) PV
generation monitoring and reporting system and 3) Smart grid related
protocol handling. Of these the inverter functions are required and the
other two are increasingly becoming important.
6.Android On beagleboard 7.Introduction to beagleboard XM and Panda Board




-- 
Siji Sunny

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From sameed@ymail.com Thu Oct 21 17:14:50 2010
From: Sameed Ahmed <sameed@ymail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Tomcat log issue
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:14:45 +0530
Message-ID: <363614.89254.qm@web95510.mail.in.yahoo.com>
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Hi,
We are running Tomcat on two different servers. One is Tomcat5 comes under=20
RHEL5.2 DVD, Other is Tomcat5.5.28 from Tomcat website. Both are running on=20
RHEL5.2
Downloaded Tomcat shows " catalina.out, admin.log, catalina.log,=20
host-manager.log, localhost.log, manager.log " in log directory.
while Tomcat5 installed from DVD shows only "catalina.out" log. we need all=20
above logs in this server too.=20

In logging.properties following line are already define=20
=C2=A0
"
1catalina.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.level =3D FINE
1catalina.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.directory =3D ${catalina.base}/logs
1catalina.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.prefix =3D catalina.
2localhost.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.level =3D FINE
2localhost.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.directory =3D ${catalina.base}/logs
2localhost.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.prefix =3D localhost.
3manager.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.level =3D FINE
3manager.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.directory =3D ${catalina.base}/logs
3manager.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.prefix =3D manager.
4admin.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.level =3D FINE
4admin.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.directory =3D ${catalina.base}/logs
4admin.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.prefix =3D admin.
5host-manager.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.level =3D FINE
5host-manager.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.directory =3D ${catalina.base}/logs
5host-manager.org.apache.juli.FileHandler.prefix =3D host-manager.
java.util.logging.ConsoleHandler.level =3D FINE
java.util.logging.ConsoleHandler.formatter =3D java.util.logging.SimpleFormat=
ter "
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
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Sameed Ahmed



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From techno.x007@gmail.com Thu Oct 21 17:35:38 2010
From: nmudgal <techno.x007@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [lugj] London Stock Exchange smashes world record
 trade speed with GNU/Linux
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:11:02 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUG_6gnAzfRtJK407+nLj8GVBpRtur04H61p=z@mail.gmail.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: shreekant bohra <skbohra123(a)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:39 PM
Subject: [lugj] London Stock Exchange smashes world record trade speed with
GNU/Linux
To: Linux User Group <lugb_ml(a)lugb.in>, lugj <lugj(a)googlegroups.com>


Hey there,

Here is another thing to proud of GNU/Linux,

London Stock Exchange smashes world record trade speed with GNU/Linux

Read here.<http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/networking/3244936/london-stoc=
k-exchange-smashes-world-record-trade-speed-with-linux>


And Spread the word. People need to know.

Cheers

--=20
Shree Kant Bohra
Let the Source be open
www.geekybuddha.org

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Nitin Mudgal
Open the source
http://nitiniamme.wordpress.com

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Thu Oct 21 20:01:35 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS in Indian Schools - A Serious Concern & a Request
 to Unite.
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:01:23 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5o8EVQBweNZ2EzfW4K2L5tucbSUwVMV==uBnO@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAhN0fsQpQcfoBHWA7Uph1ysY=-cuPhum79Bdc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dheeraj More <dheeraj.one(a)gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Shamit Verma
> <subs.linux.mum(a)vshamit.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi Narendra,
> >
> > Great initiative. We need to think from School / Student's point of view
> as
> > well.
> >
> > To change from status quo, they would need to see some benefits from this
> > migration. What benefits can be "sold" to them?
> >
> > Few that I can think of:
> >
> > 1. Free of Cost software
> > 2. Encourages students to look "Under the hood" and learn how things
> work.
> > 3. Less chances of malware
> >
> > And we need to tell them about risks as well:
> >
> > Some risks:
> >
> > 1. Some educational titles require either Windows or Mac (E.g. GRE Prep
> > tests, Biological Simulators)
> > 2. Local PC vendors might not be competent to service Linux machines
> (E.g.
> > adding a new printer and configure page size etc to print bills in
> specific
> > template)
> >
> > -Shamit
> > --
> > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
> >
>
> Good point Shamit,
> but i had a question
> which schools are you aiming for
> 1.Primary/Secondary/Higher secondary/Buisness school/Law school/Medical
> school
>

class 1st to 12th.


> 2.Urban/Rural
>

Both


> why just schools?
> there are many coaching classes as well..
>
>
are you talking about computer coaching classes ?


> and technical difficulties can be taken care of when they arise
> but before trying to "sell" anything first be sure what to sell and whom to
> sell..
> rest is the easy part..
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>



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=E2=94=80=E2=94=90
=E2=94=82    Narendra Sisodiya
=E2=94=82    http://narendrasisodiya.com
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From mehul.n.ved@gmail.com Fri Oct 22 11:22:54 2010
From: Mehul Ved <mehul.n.ved@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [Wikimedia-in-mum] Mumbai Meet up in the attendance
 of Jimmy Wales, Co-founder of Wikipedia
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:22:28 +0530
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From: Kundan Amitabh <kundanamitabh(a)gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia-in-mum] Mumbai Meet up in the attendance of Jimmy
Wales, Co-founder of Wikipedia
To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedi=
a.org


Hi !
A Meet up=C2=A0has been organised on 31st Oct., 2010 at Mumbai.
Alongwith others Jimmy Wales, Co-founder of Wikipedia will be
attending the meet up.
For details please visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mumbai/Mumbai3
All are invited to attend.
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Kundan Amitabh
Ang India Technologies,
www.angindia.org
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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Fri Oct 22 11:29:45 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] test mail
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:29:10 +0530
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hi,

just testing as my recent mails to the list have been bouncing
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


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From dheeraj.one@gmail.com Fri Oct 22 11:48:27 2010
From: Dheeraj More <dheeraj.one@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS in Indian Schools - A Serious Concern & a Request
 to Unite.
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:48:20 +0530
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Narendra Sisodiya <
narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dheeraj More <dheeraj.one(a)gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Shamit Verma
> > <subs.linux.mum(a)vshamit.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Narendra,
> > >
> > > Great initiative. We need to think from School / Student's point of
> view
> > as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > To change from status quo, they would need to see some benefits from
> this
> > > migration. What benefits can be "sold" to them?
> > >
> > > Few that I can think of:
> > >
> > > 1. Free of Cost software
> > > 2. Encourages students to look "Under the hood" and learn how things
> > work.
> > > 3. Less chances of malware
> > >
> > > And we need to tell them about risks as well:
> > >
> > > Some risks:
> > >
> > > 1. Some educational titles require either Windows or Mac (E.g. GRE Prep
> > > tests, Biological Simulators)
> > > 2. Local PC vendors might not be competent to service Linux machines
> > (E.g.
> > > adding a new printer and configure page size etc to print bills in
> > specific
> > > template)
> > >
> > > -Shamit
> > > --
> > > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
> > >
> >
> > Good point Shamit,
> > but i had a question
> > which schools are you aiming for
> > 1.Primary/Secondary/Higher secondary/Buisness school/Law school/Medical
> > school
> >
>
> class 1st to 12th.
>
>
> > 2.Urban/Rural
> >
>
> Both
>
>
> > why just schools?
> > there are many coaching classes as well..
> >
> >
> are you talking about computer coaching classes ?
>
>
> > and technical difficulties can be taken care of when they arise
> > but before trying to "sell" anything first be sure what to sell and whom
> to
> > sell..
> > rest is the easy part..
> > --
> > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> =E2=94=82    Narendra Sisodiya
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> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

I am talking about coaching classes for 10th,12th,and various competitive
exams the notes and textbooks are so heavy that they bend your back quite
literally,
I am thinking of simple browser based applications that can be put on low
powered devices like chinese mobiles, a-pad etc.
I am sure you will think there is already big competition in this field but
let me tell you this "The field has been leveled" and we can directly
compete with the best in the field,
I am not talking about just competing but raising the bench mark
now you may think this guy is blabbering or even crazy but I have a project
plan for it if anyone is ready to partner.

The reason for choosing coaching classes is that the target crowd can be
limited and are more willing for alternatives that rigid school systems both
of which are excellent for beta testing.

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From mailbox@mistrynitesh.net Fri Oct 22 12:43:44 2010
From: Nitesh Mistry <mailbox@mistrynitesh.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] test mail
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:43:28 +0530
Message-ID: <20101022071328.GA3807@mistrys>
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:29:10AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> hi,
> 
> just testing as my recent mails to the list have been bouncing

Ah! That explains why there was such a lull on this list. ;)

Welcome back! :P

-- 
Regards,
Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From piyush.pr@gmail.com Sat Oct 23 20:29:57 2010
From: Piyush Ranjan <piyush.pr@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: [lugj] London Stock Exchange smashes world record
 trade speed with GNU/Linux
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:26:24 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cyn8ZxaWD7TWayHYCQvz6hOnSfHgH1sVGAJy1@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> London Stock Exchange smashes world record trade speed with GNU/Linux
>
> Read here.<
> http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/networking/3244936/london-stock-exchang=
e-smashes-world-record-trade-speed-with-linux
> >
>


This is very interesting as they have burnt their fingers real bad with M$!

http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_window=
s_platform

<http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windo=
ws_platform>
Piyush

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Sun Oct 24 17:56:28 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: ILU - India Linux Users - New Facebook IRC
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:23:01 +0530
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:22 PM
Subject: ILU - India Linux Users - New Facebook IRC
To: ILUG-C <ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in>, The Linux-Delhi mailing list <
ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org>, iitdlug <iitdlug(a)googlegroups.com>,
glug-meerut(a)googlegroups.com, Indian FOSS Community Network list <
network(a)lists.fosscom.in>


Hey,
     Facebook is making communities - Lots of Linux users are
now interacting on facebook -
Please Join and have a facebook IRC -
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=3Dgroup_123580221032826&ap=3D1
Lets discuss how we can use this new platform for Linux adaptation and
promotion purpose


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From sarzkazi@gmail.com Sun Oct 24 21:38:34 2010
From: Sarfaraz Kazi <sarzkazi@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: ILU - India Linux Users - New Facebook IRC
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:05:01 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTinr9pxS6PySRfyntVkO5Q0PqheQEWYVBqkNbOs0@mail.gmail.com>
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On 24 October 2010 04:53, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>     Facebook is making communities - Lots of Linux users are
> now interacting on facebook -
> Please Join and have a facebook IRC -
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_123580221032826&ap=1
> Lets discuss how we can use this new platform for Linux adaptation and
> promotion purpose

why facebook? why not open diaspora?

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From narendra@narendrasisodiya.com Sun Oct 24 22:58:17 2010
From: Narendra Sisodiya <narendra@narendrasisodiya.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: ILU - India Linux Users - New Facebook IRC
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 22:54:42 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTw8xge5JV0t5JT3np9HHiC8NoDxW5Ts4xtweN@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Sarfaraz Kazi <sarzkazi(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24 October 2010 04:53, Narendra Sisodiya
> <narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
> > Hey,
> >     Facebook is making communities - Lots of Linux users are
> > now interacting on facebook -
> > Please Join and have a facebook IRC -
> > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_123580221032826&ap=1
> > Lets discuss how we can use this new platform for Linux adaptation and
> > promotion purpose
>
> why facebook? why not open diaspora?


See, its not yet another mailing list or group or something.. this is group
chat feature , its name is ILU and not ILUG..in written format it mean
Indian GNU/Linux User -- To make the title catchy, 'G' is silent.. There is
no rules, it is just a facebook group,, facebook group chat helped me to
locate lot many gnu/linux users -- this is just for promotion and
discussion...we are not replacing traditional IRC but this might a good
bridge to bring facebook user to IRC when they got habbitial to such group
chat for Linux..
Within 6 hour of creation of this group, 256 user joined it and discussed a
lot...
Almost 5-6 user came to know about the word 'Linux'
we also got first spam post at 4th hour.. one problem was also discussed..
other discussion was about naming of group/ its logo etc...
Overall we observed a huge response from facebook user who can now chat on
Linux Topic... we will certainly improve..
Moreover there is no admin atall,,, anybody can add another buddy... so its
is something different and will certainly help a lot for FOSS adaptation..

We already have ning community or orkut community or twitter list or so on..
these are platform specific feature which need not be discussed in such
manner... We can anyway have multiplicity..
I use Twitter and identica but most twitter, If I create a list on twitter
about FOSS people then one may always say like create on identica and no
twitter.... So this is not a general purpose things....

In nutshell - this is just a FOSS promotion activity and nothing like a
mission or mailing list..
Hope facebook  will add more feature then it will become more useful... to
outsider also..

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From shirish4you@gmail.com Mon Oct 25 08:25:49 2010
From: Shirish Padalkar <shirish4you@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: INVITE: Mumbai's biggest Startup Event is here! Meet
 the founders of several cool startups on Oct 30th
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 08:21:57 +0530
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Startup City <lakshmi(a)siliconindia.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Subject: INVITE: Mumbai's biggest Startup Event is here! Meet the founders
of several cool startups on Oct 30th
To: shirish4you(a)gmail.com


 Hello,

How are you doing?

After the phenomenal success of Five-editions of siliconindia Startup City
in Bangalore,Chennai & Mumbai, we are happy to announce the sixth edition of
Startup City in Mumbai on Saturday October 30th, 2010 at Ravindra Natya
Mandir.

Meet over 40 cool startups and 500 CEOs at the siliconindia Startupcity,
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and many more

Last year=E2=80=99s Startup city-Mumbai saw 300 CEOs and 30 Startups particip=
ating,
over 3000 delegates attending the event.


WHEN: Saturday October 30, 2010
TIME: 8.30 AM to 4:30 PM

WHERE:
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Near Siddhivinayak Mandir
Prabhadevi
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Limited Seats: To attend this event, register FREE :
http://www.siliconindia.com/events/siliconindia_events/register.php?eid=3DSta=
rtupCityMumbai2010

This is undoubtedly the biggest event for startups in Mumbai.

You will be marveled by Mumbai=E2=80=99s entrepreneurial spirit !

 Thanks
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From knura9@gmail.com Mon Oct 25 11:15:54 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject:
 [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD Phenom	solution
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:12:22 +0530
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I want to put together a workstation class system that will be running 24x7.

Please suggest mother board CPU combo in case you have personal
experience with such a system.

Thanks.

-- Arun Khan

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Mon Oct 25 11:44:04 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenom solution
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:35:30 +0530
Message-ID: <201010251135.30506.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Monday 25 October 2010 11:12:22 Arun Khan wrote:

> I want to put together a workstation class system that will be
> running 24x7.
>
> Please suggest mother board CPU combo in case you have personal
> experience with such a system.

As long as you can periodically clean out the dust almost any mobo cpu 
combo will work. If you cant clean the dust, the PSU fan will fail 
first. Next in line will be the CPU fan. Disk life on systems with 
heavy writes was 3.5 yrs.

-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From kshitij_kotak@hotmail.com Mon Oct 25 13:02:26 2010
From: Kshitiz <kshitij_kotak@hotmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenomsolution
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:58:37 +0530
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From: "Arun Khan" <knura9(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:12 AM
To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in>
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD 
Phenomsolution

> I want to put together a workstation class system that will be running 
> 24x7.
>
> Please suggest mother board CPU combo in case you have personal
> experience with such a system.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Arun Khan
> -- 
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

We have been using Intel Server Boards 3200SHLC & 3000AH very comfortably 
24x7 for past many years 24x7. Latest good experience has been with Gigabyte 
G31 series and G41 series motherboards. But I don't think you can call them 
workstation class - if you meant graphics workstations.

reg kshitiz 


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From kshitij_kotak@hotmail.com Mon Oct 25 15:05:46 2010
From: Kshitiz <kshitij_kotak@hotmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenomsolution
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:00:40 +0530
Message-ID: <SNT135-ds14A6D702355305C047A87A84410@phx.gbl>
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From: "Arun Khan" <knura9(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:12 AM
To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in>
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD 
Phenomsolution

> I want to put together a workstation class system that will be running 
> 24x7.
>
> Please suggest mother board CPU combo in case you have personal
> experience with such a system.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Arun Khan
> -- 
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

Be sure to use Amacrox Power Supply and a good chassis with 1 additional fan 
in addition to the CPU fan and SMPS fan. Avoid MicroTower Chassis. Harddisks 
use Seagate ES/NS Series only for better reliability. 


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From knura9@gmail.com Mon Oct 25 16:02:33 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenomsolution
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:57:54 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTimvomkH5-vnAgHkMc3kGT4mdj1hFzoTcSBTQa8G@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Kshitiz <kshitij_kotak(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> We have been using Intel Server Boards 3200SHLC & 3000AH very comfortably
> 24x7 for past many years 24x7. Latest good experience has been with Gigabyte
> G31 series and G41 series motherboards. But I don't think you can call them
> workstation class - if you meant graphics workstations.

I have been using Intel mobos with Xeon CPUs in my solutions but
lately the only Intel workstation mobos available in the channels are
dual processor variety which cost more than the single processor ones.
 Even though these boards can run with a single cpu, I cannot justify
the additional cost of the mobo.   My application does not need dual
cpu horse power, therefore I was looking for an AMD solution.   This
system will run in a production environment and reliability is high
priority.

Thanks to all for sharing your thoughts.  I will see what is available
in the market - leaning towards ASUS/MSI workstation boards.

-- Arun Khan

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Mon Oct 25 16:18:09 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenomsolution
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:15:56 +0530
Message-ID: <201010251615.56475.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Monday 25 October 2010 15:57:54 Arun Khan wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Kshitiz 
<kshitij_kotak(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have been using Intel mobos with Xeon CPUs in my solutions but
> lately the only Intel workstation mobos available in the channels
> are dual processor variety which cost more than the single
> processor ones. Even though these boards can run with a single cpu,
> I cannot justify the additional cost of the mobo.   My application
> does not need dual cpu horse power, therefore I was looking for an
> AMD solution.   This system will run in a production environment
> and reliability is high priority.

I have been using ASUS + AMD for most of my systems. However  the last 
two boards performed poorly. One CPU failure within a month, and one 
with dry caps after two years.

-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com Tue Oct 26 09:37:29 2010
From: Shamit Verma <subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenomsolution
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:33:57 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUxkR6sxALTpbKvJu6wjwyh=EMUM1oyA8ajjdO@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> My application does not need dual
> cpu horse power, therefore I was looking for an AMD solution.   This
> system will run in a production environment and reliability is high
> priority.
>
>
If this is production, I would recommend setting up two inexpensive systems
as compared to one workstation class system.

With this, you can purchase two systems for 20k each and have load balancing
or manual fail over in case the system fails. Machine tends to fail more
often in Mumbai due to environment and climate. On top of it, have a system
of archiving data offsite (E.g. Amazon S3 or different branch office), that
would save you cost on reliable NAS storage.

This config comes out to be  17k:

Motherboard : Asus M4A78LT-M LE       : 3.2 k
CPU         : AMD Phenom II X2 555    : 5   k
RAM         : CORSAIR 2 Gb *2 DDR 3   : 3.6 k
HDD         : 1 TB                    : 2.8 k
Case        : Generic ATX + PSU       : 2   k

Total : 16.6k

With 4 GB RAM and decent CPU, this can take most SME business roles. If this
is going to be a DB server, add 6 k for 2 more hard drives and cofigure them
in redundant RAID to increase speed of reads, or bump up the RAM to 16 GB so
that HDD is not read in most cases (Oracle / DB2 / SQL Server / PostgresSQL
are good with page cache). Just give 12 GB as buffer to DB processes.

-Shamit

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From knura9@gmail.com Wed Oct 27 18:34:21 2010
From: Arun Khan <knura9@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please suggest/recommend a workstation class AMD
	Phenomsolution
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:30:48 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinExGGAXy=VDB08Y66kvoMi=AvZEw-2O-R_8=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Shamit Verma
<subs.linux.mum(a)vshamit.com> wrote:
>>
>> My application does not need dual
>> cpu horse power, therefore I was looking for an AMD solution.   This
>> system will run in a production environment and reliability is high
>> priority.
>>
>>
> If this is production, I would recommend setting up two inexpensive systems
> as compared to one workstation class system.
>

The system will be a graphics workstation, based upon part
availability in the Mumbai channel I have selected the following:

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO with AMD Phenom II 1090T @ 3.2 Ghz x6
DDR3 8GB (2 x 4GB) Total 8GB (Expandable to 16GB)
VIP ZB100 Workstation Cabinet  650W SMPS

Thanks again to all for your suggestions and recommendations.

-- Arun Khan

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From nagarjun@gnowledge.org Thu Oct 28 00:28:56 2010
From: Nagarjuna G <nagarjun@gnowledge.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Meet The Movement: A public talk with Wikipedia
 founder, Jimmy Wales, and members of Wikimedia India
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:52:32 +0200
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXVMwa0=2WN+omgaLTt79m1aFaPGKr+xfrFx2D@mail.gmail.com>
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Wikipedia is a vital, free resource used by millions of people all
over the world, including in India. This ubiquitous information
repository includes hundreds of thousands of articles in various
Indian languages, covering myriad of topics about India and its
culture.  Although Wikipedia is an indispensable resource to millions,
little is known about how this online encyclopedia is written and who
it is written by.  This Sunday, October 31 at 6:30pm, anyone who is
interested in learning more about this global public resource is
invited to “Meet the Movement:” a talk with Jimmy Wales and members of
the Wikimedia community in India.  This talk is an opportunity to
learn more about how Wikipedia works and why participation from the
people of India is integral to Wikimedia’s global free-knowledge
movement.

The iconic leader, who founded Wikipedia in 2001, will give a public
talk about the history of Wikipedia and what the free knowledge
movement means to India.  For instance, 75 percent of all schools in
India have either online or offline access to Wikipedia and
Wiktionary, a sister project. Additionally, 94 percent of page views
from India are for the English Wikipedia, rather than Indian
languages. What does that mean about the importance of Wikipedia in
India and the needs of Indian users? Wales will discuss this during
his talk and members of Wikimedia India, as well as Wikimedia
Foundation Board member, Bishakha Datta, will join Wales for a 30
minute open question and answer session with the audience.

Date: Sunday October 31
Time: 6.30 pm
Venue: Sophia Bhabha Hall, Sophia College campus, Bhulabhai Desai
Road, Breach Candy, Mumbai 400026

This talk is open to the public on a first-come-first-seated basis.

For more information, please visit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mumbai/Mumbai3

--
GN

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From kmkale@anantcorp.com Thu Oct 28 18:29:25 2010
From: Koustubha Kale <kmkale@anantcorp.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Meet The Movement: A public talk with Wikipedia
 founder, Jimmy Wales, and members of Wikimedia India
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:21:22 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikATVCMDcUjG79nfcJ4OB7f_wXeDxwWJugqo-Me@mail.gmail.com>
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Please do come - and circulate widely.



Wikipedia is a vital, free resource used by millions of people all
over the world, including in India. This ubiquitous information
repository includes hundreds of thousands of articles in various
Indian languages, covering myriad of topics about India and its
culture.  Although Wikipedia is an indispensable resource to millions,
little is known about how this online encyclopedia is written and who
it is written by.  This Sunday, October 31 at 6:30pm, anyone who is
interested in learning more about this global public resource is
invited to “Meet the Movement:” a talk with Jimmy Wales and members of
the Wikimedia community in India.  This talk is an opportunity to
learn more about how Wikipedia works and why participation from the
people of India is integral to Wikimedia’s global free-knowledge
movement.

The iconic leader, who founded Wikipedia in 2001, will give a public
talk about the history of Wikipedia and what the free knowledge
movement means to India.  For instance, 75 percent of all schools in
India have either online or offline access to Wikipedia and
Wiktionary, a sister project. Additionally, 94 percent of page views
from India are for the English Wikipedia, rather than Indian
languages. What does that mean about the importance of Wikipedia in
India and the needs of Indian users? Wales will discuss this during
his talk and members of Wikimedia India, as well as Wikimedia
Foundation Board member, Bishakha Datta, will join Wales for a 30
minute open question and answer session with the audience.

Date: Sunday October 31
Time: 6.30 pm
Venue: Sophia Bhabha Hall, Sophia College campus, Bhulabhai Desai
Road, Breach Candy, Mumbai 400026

This talk is open to the public on a first-come-first-seated basis.

For more information, please visit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mumbai/Mumbai3

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From kmkale@anantcorp.com Thu Oct 28 18:33:41 2010
From: Koustubha Kale <kmkale@anantcorp.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT][COMMERCIAL] Need a Mobile application developed.
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:28:13 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw-App57MjwpZGqyQVF-ciG5ZPs67q=fzqwYHH@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi All,
We need a mobile based photo tagging application developed.
Here is a description of the requirements

The features of our app would be that:
a) it will auto turn on the gps of the mobile phone when the mobile is
turned ON and make it TSR

and, whenever a photo is clicked, it will :
b) Insert the gps lat / long data in the photos exif data
c) automatically insert Artist's name  into EXIF data which in this
instance will be the mobile's phone number.
d) calcuate gps date & time in UTC/GMT and insert into image's EXIF data
e) seek input for ImageDecription ( which will be text of arbitary
length ) and then insert into image's EXIF data
f) seek input for audio file input i.e. a voice recording and then
insert cross tag into image's EXIF file, if and when created. ( This
feature can be implemented in version 2 if it proves to be too time /
resource consuming )


This app needs to be developed for
1) S60 3rd Edition, Feature Pack 2 Symbian OS v9.3
2) iPhone
3) Android

in the above order i.e. symbian first.

Please contact me off the list with a proposal if you are able to
develop this for us.


Regards,
Koustubha Kale
Anant Corporation

Contact Details :
Address  : 103, Armaan Residency, R. W Sawant Road, Nr. Golden Dyes
Naka, Thane (w),
                Maharashtra, India, Pin : 400601.
TeleFax  : +91-22-21720108, +91-22-21720109
Mobile     : +919820715876
Website  : http://www.anantcorp.com
Blog : http://www.anantcorp.com/blog/?author=2

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From advaitraut@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 10:07:04 2010
From: Advait Raut <advaitraut@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:02:13 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikG1iQnyrpnYgvYwCpP8pYWx5MfLArAMB6daOYO@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi guys,
            I came across this topic i think India should also do the same
thing in there military systems.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-deve=
lop-Windows-rival/articleshow/6826847.cms

--=20
Regards
Advait Raut

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From binand@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 10:47:55 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:44:22 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZNg8i3jGRM3=PsU7hknotP_ZQhT=dtu8cg-2_@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
> Hi guys,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I came across this topic i think I=
ndia should also do the same
> thing in there military systems.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-de=
velop-Windows-rival/articleshow/6826847.cms

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article821933.ece

Binand

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From lawgon@au-kbc.org Fri Oct 29 10:59:45 2010
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:55:39 +0530
Message-ID: <1288329939.2113.10.camel@localhost>
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On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 10:02 +0530, Advait Raut wrote:
> I came across this topic i think India should also do the same
> thing in there military systems.
>=20
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-de=
velop-Windows-rival/articleshow/6826847.cms
>=20
>=20

I was under the impression that all our mission critical stuff is
already under unix/linux
--=20
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


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From advaitraut@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 11:33:39 2010
From: Advait Raut <advaitraut@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:29:47 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MoENHAxGO-gwE1hK2X1WwJwnMRFQ7S=YdyCbP@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com>wr=
ote:

> 2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
>  > Hi guys,
> >            I came across this topic i think India should also do the same
> > thing in there military systems.
> >
> >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-de=
velop-Windows-rival/articleshow/6826847.cms
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article821933.ece
>

Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.

Advait

>
> Binand
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>



--=20
Regards
Advait Raut

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From binand@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 12:16:13 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:12:36 +0530
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2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
>> http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article821933.ece
>
> Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.

It is not. It is to be developed from scratch and would be
closed-source. See this quote:

'Though it will be a real-time system with Windows software, source
code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity
of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our
security system,' Saraswat said after unveiling a training facility at
the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR), a defence
lab in this tech hub.

http://sify.com/news/drdo-to-develop-cyber-attack-proof-operating-system-news=
-national-kkjqEdeihbg.html

Binand

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From advaitraut@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 12:42:14 2010
From: Advait Raut <advaitraut@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:38:20 +0530
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com>wr=
ote:

> 2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
> >> http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article821933.ece
> >
> > Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.
>
> It is not. It is to be developed from scratch and would be
> closed-source. See this quote:
>
> 'Though it will be a real-time system with Windows software, source
> code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity
> of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our
> security system,' Saraswat said after unveiling a training facility at
> the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR), a defence
> lab in this tech hub.
>
>
> http://sify.com/news/drdo-to-develop-cyber-attack-proof-operating-system-ne=
ws-national-kkjqEdeihbg.html
>


  So again windows does enters in our DRDO with its minimal presence.


>
> Binand
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Advait Raut

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From 88.sanket@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 13:19:09 2010
From: Sanket Shah <88.sanket@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:15:31 +0530
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The defense industry hardly uses LINUX. Its Micro$oft all the way. They
complain about the unavailable support for Linux. I'm working in a defence
organization, all networks are windows including the servers.

Sanket Shah
Sent via Android™ Spica

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From advaitraut@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 15:00:28 2010
From: Advait Raut <advaitraut@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:56:37 +0530
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Sanket Shah <88.sanket(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> The defense industry hardly uses LINUX. Its Micro$oft all the way. They
> complain about the unavailable support for Linux. I'm working in a defence
> organization, all networks are windows including the servers.
>
> Sanket Shah
> Sent via Android™ Spica
> --
>  http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

Now now that's a matter of concern in terms of security and stability for
mission critical systems.

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Advait Raut

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From binand@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 15:16:53 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:13:17 +0530
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2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
>> The defense industry hardly uses LINUX. Its Micro$oft all the way. They
>> complain about the unavailable support for Linux. I'm working in a defence
>> organization, all networks are windows including the servers.
>>
> Now now that's a matter of concern in terms of security and stability for
> mission critical systems.

Indeed.

http://www.livemint.com/2010/04/06233658/Indian-secrets-fall-prey-to-Ch.html

Binand

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From advaitraut@gmail.com Fri Oct 29 15:42:38 2010
From: Advait Raut <advaitraut@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:38:44 +0530
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com>wro=
te:

> 2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
> >> The defense industry hardly uses LINUX. Its Micro$oft all the way. They
> >> complain about the unavailable support for Linux. I'm working in a
> defence
> >> organization, all networks are windows including the servers.
> >>
> > Now now that's a matter of concern in terms of security and stability for
> > mission critical systems.
>
> Indeed.
>
>
> http://www.livemint.com/2010/04/06233658/Indian-secrets-fall-prey-to-Ch.html
>
>
  and still government is windows lover.... how shameful ....




> Binand
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Advait Raut

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From mailbox@mistrynitesh.net Fri Oct 29 21:55:41 2010
From: Nitesh Mistry <mailbox@mistrynitesh.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:05:13 +0530
Message-ID: <20101029133513.GA4266@kubuntu>
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 03:38:44PM +0530, Advait Raut wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com>w=
rote:
>=20
> > 2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
> > >> The defense industry hardly uses LINUX. Its Micro$oft all the way. They
> > >> complain about the unavailable support for Linux. I'm working in a
> > defence
> > >> organization, all networks are windows including the servers.
> > >>
> > > Now now that's a matter of concern in terms of security and stability f=
or
> > > mission critical systems.
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> >
> > http://www.livemint.com/2010/04/06233658/Indian-secrets-fall-prey-to-Ch.h=
tml
> >
> >
>   and still government is windows lover.... how shameful ....

Its more serious than just shameful. After all, its not something trivial lik=
e CWG
and while blunders in organising CWG get the headlines, these things are not =
given
enough importance even in media.


--=20
Regards,
Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From readsachin@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 01:03:33 2010
From: sachin puri <readsachin@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:59:53 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoULaEd4n0fpy-Js=R++dhadC76GAqfsCqOOP9@mail.gmail.com>
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Ya adviat you are right but I guess DRDO is already developing their own os.
Beside cdac is also developing os called BOSS

On 29 Oct 2010 10:12, "Advait Raut" <advaitraut(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,
           I came across this topic i think India should also do the same
thing in there military systems.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-deve=
lop-Windows-rival/articleshow/6826847.cms

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Advait Raut
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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sat Oct 30 10:03:10 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:18:03 +0530
Message-ID: <201010300818.03071.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Friday 29 October 2010 12:12:36 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:

> 2010/10/29 Advait Raut <advaitraut(a)gmail.com>:
> >> http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article821933.ece
> >
> > Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on
> > GNU/LINUX.
>
> It is not. It is to be developed from scratch and would be
> closed-source. See this quote:
>
> 'Though it will be a real-time system with Windows software, source
> code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the
> exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and
> protect our security system,' Saraswat said after unveiling a
> training facility at the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and
> Robotics (CAIR), a defence lab in this tech hub.
>

I am thrilled and feeling totally secure with such utterly clueless 
guys heading critical missions.

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From binand@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 10:38:56 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:35:19 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTim8ZWuVRCHP2nHAVUsrxZeH19m4ivnh=vcsw9a_@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/30 jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in>:
> I am thrilled and feeling totally secure with such utterly clueless
> guys heading critical missions.

I wouldn't call Dr. Saraswat clueless. His bio is here:

http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/index.jsp?pg=scientificadvisior.jsp

APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of
Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually
fit my definition of "clueless".

Binand

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From siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 11:23:59 2010
From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:20:22 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKrOxgaAesUkq09XqfgiThELRFP=odobk_P6gz@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com> w=
rote:
> APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of
> Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually
> fit my definition of "clueless".
>

Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by
about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become
famous?

--=20
Siddhesh Poyarekar
http://siddhesh.in

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From mailbox@mistrynitesh.net Sat Oct 30 12:03:21 2010
From: Nitesh Mistry <mailbox@mistrynitesh.net>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:59:34 +0530
Message-ID: <20101030062933.GA1872@kubuntu>
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com>=
 wrote:
> > APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of
> > Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually
> > fit my definition of "clueless".
> >
>=20
> Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by
> about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become
> famous?

Bang on Siddhesh, I was just about to write something on similar lines but you
beat me to it. :)

So according to Mr. Saraswat, by keeping the source code closed, one can have=
 a
secure system? Yes, I guess he is right, and Microsoft Windows is an open sou=
rce
software.


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Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From binand@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 12:47:44 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:44:11 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6=7gOczE9WCTePiLoonVjp=sY+NXWogTo-a06@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by
> about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become
> famous?

Straw man. In any case, it will depend upon the availability and cost
of other heart surgeons, the threat to my life from heart disorders,
and a number of other factors.

We have no clue how DRDO plans to do what it proposes to - whether
they are taking an existing OS and modifying it, or going to develop
one completely from scratch. The former has been done before -
SELinux, for example.

2010/10/30 Nitesh Mistry <mailbox(a)mistrynitesh.net>:
> So according to Mr. Saraswat, by keeping the source code closed, one can ha=
ve a
> secure system? Yes, I guess he is right, and Microsoft Windows is an open s=
ource
> software.

As I said, we don't know what Mr. Saraswat thinks or intends to do. If
you are really keen on knowing, I suggest you file an RTI application
- it will cost you Rs. 10 and postage. I personally don't think
keeping the source code "closed" is going to be practical - after all,
he'd want applications to be ported to his new OS, which would mean a
lot of people outside of DRDO's hand-picked team having access to the
source code of his OS.

Binand

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From siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 13:40:53 2010
From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:37:20 +0530
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com> w=
rote:
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
>> Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by
>> about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become
>> famous?
>
> Straw man. In any case, it will depend upon the availability and cost
> of other heart surgeons, the threat to my life from heart disorders,
> and a number of other factors.

You either did not understand or conveniently decided to ignore the
point I was trying to make. Just because Mr Saraswat has accomplished
great feats in the field of missile technology, it does not mean that
he has a clue in the field of Operating Systems and computing.

> We have no clue how DRDO plans to do what it proposes to - whether
> they are taking an existing OS and modifying it, or going to develop
> one completely from scratch. The former has been done before -
> SELinux, for example.

Yes, we do not know how they're going to do this; in fact we do not
know anything other than the fact that we're going to build an OS and
that Mr. Saraswat is going to head this. The reason Mr. Saraswat is a
man without a clue is because he has not shown himself as having any
clue how operating systems (or any other critical software)
development works. That is why he is making statements claiming that
keeping source code closed is going to keep it secure, we will share
the source with some other companies in a super-secret way once it is
done so that they can write apps for us, etc. Show the code or make a
working prototype, then talk.

And the key thing about SELinux is that it is open source, there were
no fat claims before even putting out a prototype and that it was
developed in a department of the US DoD that is known for its
computing prowess, the NSA and hence would obviously have been headed
by someone who has a clue about how software development works. All of
this is exactly the opposite of the scenario with the DoD.

> - it will cost you Rs. 10 and postage. I personally don't think
> keeping the source code "closed" is going to be practical - after all,
> he'd want applications to be ported to his new OS, which would mean a
> lot of people outside of DRDO's hand-picked team having access to the
> source code of his OS.

There is a difference between software and the API. One only needs to
expose an syscall API to have other software (third-party
applications) interact with their OS.

There is nothing wrong with the DRDO developing their own internal OS
or modifying another OS for their special purposes. In fact, I
expected that we would already be doing something like this and was
slightly disappointed that we weren't. But going out in public and
making these claims without even putting out a plan and saying that it
is going to be super-secret is just nonsense.

--=20
Siddhesh Poyarekar
http://siddhesh.in

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From binand@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 15:27:40 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:24:07 +0530
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2010/10/30 Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar(a)gmail.com>:
> You either did not understand or conveniently decided to ignore the
> point I was trying to make. Just because Mr Saraswat has accomplished
> great feats in the field of missile technology, it does not mean that
> he has a clue in the field of Operating Systems and computing.

If this were the point you were trying to make, say it in so many
words. Why drag your dentist into this??

Anyway, the fact that Dr. Saraswat has great feats in the field of
missile technology certainly entitles him to head an organization like
DRDO. Go back and read the post I was responding to (which claimed he
is a clueless dingbat not fit to head the DRDO) - I found it highly
offensive that a well-respected and well-decorated senior scientist
heading a research organization called unfit to head the said
organization because he initiated a project whose details are not
available in public and does not appear to fit someone's preconceived
notions.

> that Mr. Saraswat is going to head this. The reason Mr. Saraswat is a
> man without a clue is because he has not shown himself as having any
> clue how operating systems (or any other critical software)
> development works. That is why he is making statements claiming that

He needn't have a clue in OS development. The clue should be with the
team (and its head) he's going to assemble to build this system. You
are not seriously assuming Dr. Saraswat's going to project-manage this
thing, are you?

> And the key thing about SELinux is that it is open source, there were
> no fat claims before even putting out a prototype and that it was
> developed in a department of the US DoD that is known for its
> computing prowess, the NSA and hence would obviously have been headed
> by someone who has a clue about how software development works. All of
> this is exactly the opposite of the scenario with the DoD.

1. SELinux was not open source from day one. The NSA released it under
GPL in 2000 after it was under development for years (its history goes
back to 1992).

2. The then head of NSA was this chap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hayden - I don't see him as an
expert in software development.

3. I don't know if all of this is "exactly opposite" of the scenario
with the DRDO. I recall in my undergrad days [mid-nineties], we had
projects sponsored by DRDO which did cutting-edge research in various
computer-related fields (though not OS research, I admit). I myself
was fortunate enough to work on one of them.

4. Lastly, DRDO is not only about missiles and such - they do have
several labs focusing on areas like AI, Robotics, electronics,
supercomputing and a bunch of other technologies. Example:
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/ANURAG/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp
- they seem to be building indigenously a teraflop Linux-based
supercomputer.

> There is a difference between software and the API. One only needs to
> expose an syscall API to have other software (third-party
> applications) interact with their OS.

I think that's somewhat an Utopian view, but not core to this argument.

> There is nothing wrong with the DRDO developing their own internal OS
> or modifying another OS for their special purposes. In fact, I
> expected that we would already be doing something like this and was
> slightly disappointed that we weren't. But going out in public and
> making these claims without even putting out a plan and saying that it
> is going to be super-secret is just nonsense.

Well, I can't see anywhere that there's no plan in place. It could be
nonsense as you say, but without evidence I'm willing to give DRDO the
benefit of doubt. If the project head Dr. Saraswat appoints is "a man
(or woman) with a clue", he/she'd pick Linux or one of the *BSDs and
start working from there.

Binand

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From subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com Sat Oct 30 15:51:20 2010
From: Shamit Verma <subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:47:48 +0530
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>
> 1. SELinux was not open source from day one. The NSA released it under
> GPL in 2000 after it was under development for years (its history goes
> back to 1992).
>
>
Are you sure about that? In 1992, Linux did not even have a usable userland
utilities. It started in August 91 and took 3 - 4 years to become complete
in terms of OS / API and toolset.

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From binand@gmail.com Sat Oct 30 16:19:54 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:11:58 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2rUJtWbaEiXabjt=LDDvwX7E5u7LfaCX58EuX@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/30 Shamit Verma <subs.linux.mum(a)vshamit.com>:
>> 1. SELinux was not open source from day one. The NSA released it under
>> GPL in 2000 after it was under development for years (its history goes
>> back to 1992).
>>
> Are you sure about that? In 1992, Linux did not even have a usable userland
> utilities. It started in August 91 and took 3 - 4 years to become complete
> in terms of OS / API and toolset.

Yes (it was originally not developed on Linux). See, for example:

http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/flask.html

Binand

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From piyush.pr@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 01:03:04 2010
From: Piyush Ranjan <piyush.pr@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:59:30 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTik9NfTk_+PQ-3CtsurPtCV0P6zKfcFg7JuE+s=+@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> I am thrilled and feeling totally secure with such utterly clueless
> guys heading critical missions.
>

This is like usual crap media puts out there.

DRDO is a huge organization and it had many labs which do quite cutting edge
research in various fields like

http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/SAG/English/index.jsp?pg=3Dhomebody.jsp&labh=
its=3D470
<http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/SAG/English/index.jsp?pg=3Dhomebody.jsp&lab=
hits=3D470>
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/CAIR/English/index.jsp?pg=3Dhomebody.jsp&lab=
hits=3D2145
<http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/CAIR/English/index.jsp?pg=3Dhomebody.jsp&la=
bhits=3D2145>
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/ANURAG/English/index.jsp?pg=3Dhomebody.jsp&l=
abhits=3D4121

Moreover Dr. Saraswat may not have had all the details with him or may not
have understood them well (being a not computer scientist) OR they may have
knowingly obfuscated the details and fed some gibberish to the media. I do
not really believe that it can be a Realtime system and be based on
windows.

Could it also mean that it also mean that it could be a like a cloud
solution where all the data resides on a central computer and not data sits
on the terminals for prolonged time ? This could address a long standing
problem of Indian defense establishment of data theft and backup.

Piyush

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct 31 10:36:26 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:34:16 +0530
Message-ID: <201010311034.16481.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Saturday 30 October 2010 12:44:11 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:

> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar
> > wrote: Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to
> > prolong life by about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient
> > and hence become famous?
>
> Straw man. In any case, it will depend upon the availability and
> cost of other heart surgeons, the threat to my life from heart
> disorders, and a number of other factors.
>
> We have no clue how DRDO plans to do what it proposes to - whether
> they are taking an existing OS and modifying it, or going to
> develop one completely from scratch. The former has been done
> before - SELinux, for example.

Eh. then you should read YOUR link to the PR again. 

"real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture 
will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system 
unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,"

windows -realtime. Sounds like Ganpatidrinkinmilk. 
Closing the source so that others dont know, is exactly what the 
trashiest OS in the world is. And one does not rely on knowing the 
the architecture to create holes. Not to mention that those 
interested in DRDOs systems are nor script kiddies sitting in cyber 
cafes.

Anyway the TOI link says something different, reading between the 
lines, - more in line with what he should be doing. 



>
> 2010/10/30 Nitesh Mistry <mailbox(a)mistrynitesh.net>:
> > So according to Mr. Saraswat, by keeping the source code closed,
> > one can have a secure system? Yes, I guess he is right, and
> > Microsoft Windows is an open source software.
>
> As I said, we don't know what Mr. Saraswat thinks or intends to do.

That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are 
thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes 
raining down.

Finally Dr.Saraswat maybe well respected and all that like our 
favourite billybaba, but we judge by what you do and what you say.
Right now i am afraid, if he does what he says (as per your sify 
link), we will be better off living in the Sahel, when those os get 
deployed.


> If you are really keen on knowing, I suggest you file an RTI
> application - it will cost you Rs. 10 and postage. I personally
> don't think keeping the source code "closed" is going to be
> practical - after all, he'd want applications to be ported to his
> new OS, which would mean a lot of people outside of DRDO's
> hand-picked team having access to the source code of his OS.

I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies 
guide - to interfacing.


-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From binand@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 12:10:11 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:06:38 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7OFayM=P1x=q33e8skjKnhLn1_x5pCeCSPxRc@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/31 jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in>:
> "real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture
> will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system
> unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,"

I took that to mean a windowing system, not necessarily from
Microsoft. X Windows will also qualify.

> That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are
> thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes
> raining down.

Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.

> I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies
> guide - to interfacing.

As I said previously, that is a Utopian view. Even Microsoft
understands that, hence they too provide their source code to OEMs
involved in driver development.

Binand

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From siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 13:01:45 2010
From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:58:12 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9Q9NU2=i9+zyc+TKhnuev43OfQKBJRqFY-CS4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com> w=
rote:
> 2010/10/31 jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in>:
>> I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies
>> guide - to interfacing.
>
> As I said previously, that is a Utopian view. Even Microsoft
> understands that, hence they too provide their source code to OEMs
> involved in driver development.

Utter nonsense. They provide an API, not the source code. The only
entities Microsoft will probably have to compulsorily show their
source code (under an NDA for audit) is the government (primarily the
DoD), and most likely only the US government. Read up a little before
you make such claims:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/WDK/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/wdf/KMDF.mspx

And I have no idea what you mean by a Utopian view.

--=20
Siddhesh Poyarekar
http://siddhesh.in

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From binand@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 13:24:39 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:21:07 +0530
Message-ID: <AANLkTikqiWbp+xE9HziSBbCrBKg4kPcpee0aOMr_vEkV@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/31 Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar(a)gmail.com>:
> Utter nonsense. They provide an API, not the source code. The only
> entities Microsoft will probably have to compulsorily show their
> source code (under an NDA for audit) is the government (primarily the
> DoD), and most likely only the US government. Read up a little before
> you make such claims:

Right. Care to explain what this is, then?

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/oem.mspx

Binand

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From siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 14:00:17 2010
From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:56:43 +0530
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> 2010/10/31 Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar(a)gmail.com>:
>> Utter nonsense. They provide an API, not the source code. The only
>> entities Microsoft will probably have to compulsorily show their
>> source code (under an NDA for audit) is the government (primarily the
>> DoD), and most likely only the US government. Read up a little before
>> you make such claims:
>
> Right. Care to explain what this is, then?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/oem.mspx
>

Ok, I stand corrected on this point.


--=20
Siddhesh Poyarekar
http://siddhesh.in

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From jtd@mtnl.net.in Sun Oct 31 19:24:51 2010
From: jtd <jtd@mtnl.net.in>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:22:40 +0530
Message-ID: <201010311922.40356.jtd@mtnl.net.in>
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On Sunday 31 October 2010 12:06:38 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:

> 2010/10/31 jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in>:
> > "real-time system with Windows software, source code and
> > architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of
> > owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our
> > security system,"
>
> I took that to mean a windowing system, not necessarily from
> Microsoft. X Windows will also qualify.

Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things). 
The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a 
sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os 
product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring 
to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start 
no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.

>
> > That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations
> > are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all
> > comes raining down.
>
> Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.

Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished.
The TOI link is quite ok technically.

>
> > I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a
> > dummies guide - to interfacing.
>
> As I said previously, that is a Utopian view. Even Microsoft
> understands that, hence they too provide their source code to OEMs
> involved in driver development.

Wrong logic, excuse and history too. 
M$ came up with their opening of source (Microsoft shared source 
Initiative) to get some traction on .NET from Java, and was later 
expanded to their oses, not to provide driver (or other software) 
development for doze, but for organisations to do security audits in 
response to a sustained attack on the "closed is secure" meme from 
many academicians and FOSS proponents. Mere APIs are sufficient in 
any world including one as warped up as M$ and indeed, every software 
development continues happily without any source from M$

>
> Binand


-- 
Rgds
JTD

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From binand@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 20:06:21 2010
From: Binand Sethumadhavan <binand@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:59:54 +0530
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2010/10/31 jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in>:
> Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things).
> The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a
> sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os
> product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring
> to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start
> no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.

Are you seriously suggesting that when Dr. Saraswat "told reporters on
the sidelines of a function", he actually said, "Windows software -
that's with a capital W, and an s at the end" - and it is not the
reporter doing the capitalization etc. himself? Really!

Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as
develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record
of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case
too.

>> > That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations
>> > are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all
>> > comes raining down.
>>
>> Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
>
> Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished.
> The TOI link is quite ok technically.

The TOI link was a report from Russia. Doesn't redeem GoI in any way.

> many academicians and FOSS proponents. Mere APIs are sufficient in
> any world including one as warped up as M$ and indeed, every software
> development continues happily without any source from M$

Well, I did post a link in which Microsoft offers access to its source
code to developers. I'd imagine many non-trivial software makers would
be taking advantage of this offer too (Symantec and other AV software
makers immediately come to mind, plus a friend of mine in HP did have
access to Microsoft source code).

Binand

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From h.godavari@shaw.ca Sun Oct 31 21:09:54 2010
From: "h.godavari" <h.godavari@shaw.ca>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] A Suggestion Re: Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:31:12 -0600
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Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
> 2010/10/31 jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in>:
>   
>> Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things).
>> The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a
>> sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os
>> product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring
>> to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start
>> no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.
>>     
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that when Dr. Saraswat "told reporters on
> the sidelines of a function", he actually said, "Windows software -
> that's with a capital W, and an s at the end" - and it is not the
> reporter doing the capitalization etc. himself? Really!
>
> Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as
> develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record
> of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case
> too.
>
>   
>>>> That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations
>>>> are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all
>>>> comes raining down.
>>>>         
>>> Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
>>>       
>> Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished.
>> The TOI link is quite ok technically.
>>     
>
> The TOI link was a report from Russia. Doesn't redeem GoI in any way.
>
>   
>> many academicians and FOSS proponents. Mere APIs are sufficient in
>> any world including one as warped up as M$ and indeed, every software
>> development continues happily without any source from M$
>>     
>
> Well, I did post a link in which Microsoft offers access to its source
> code to developers. I'd imagine many non-trivial software makers would
> be taking advantage of this offer too (Symantec and other AV software
> makers immediately come to mind, plus a friend of mine in HP did have
> access to Microsoft source code).
>
> Binand
>   
Why not ask Dr S. to clarify his  (or is it a 'her'?) statement to the 
ILUG  so that we all know the 'truth' instead of second guessing?

regards
hg

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From gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 21:46:23 2010
From: Rony Bill <gnulinuxist@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:42:08 +0530
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Hi.

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan

>
> Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as
> develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record
> of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case
> too.
>
>

Some time back there were articles in the papers about how China had been
accessing critical information from Indian computers, even from the defence
departments. They did this through trojans and spyware. This is typical
Windows activity. Recently the sophisticated virus (can't recollect the
name) wrecked havoc in India, Iran etc. and was specifically written for
Siemens hardware used in nuclear environments. The virus spread through pen
drives. Again this is the Windows related activity. India has tremendous
talent and potential to develop its own weapons and sophisticated systems
but we still have to learn to organize international sporting events without
becoming laughing stocks and objects of ridicule in the International media.




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Rony.

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From dheeraj.one@gmail.com Sun Oct 31 21:59:13 2010
From: Dheeraj More <dheeraj.one@gmail.com>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:55:33 +0530
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rony Bill <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan
>
> >
> > Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as
> > develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record
> > of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case
> > too.
> >
> >
>
> Some time back there were articles in the papers about how China had been
> accessing critical information from Indian computers, even from the defence
> departments. They did this through trojans and spyware. This is typical
> Windows activity. Recently the sophisticated virus (can't recollect the
> name) wrecked havoc in India, Iran etc. and was specifically written for
> Siemens hardware used in nuclear environments. The virus spread through pen
> drives. Again this is the Windows related activity. India has tremendous
> talent and potential to develop its own weapons and sophisticated systems
> but we still have to learn to organize international sporting events
> without
> becoming laughing stocks and objects of ridicule in the International
> media.
>
>
>
>
> --
> As a proper list etiquette...
> Please trim your replies.
> Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
> Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rony.
> --
> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
>

no matter how hard we try there is always one weak link to any security
system: the human heart.

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From h.godavari@shaw.ca Sun Oct 31 22:41:00 2010
From: "h.godavari" <h.godavari@shaw.ca>
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Russian to compete with windows.
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:07:33 -0600
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Rony Bill wrote:
>>     
>
> Some time back there were articles in the papers about how China had been
> accessing critical information from Indian computers, even from the defence
> departments. They did this through trojans and spyware. This is typical
> Windows activity.

Try "ghostnet  x India"  in a Google search box. You will get an eyeful. 
By the way, the caper was tracked by a Canadian security group
>  Recently the sophisticated virus (can't recollect the
> name) wrecked havoc in India, Iran etc. and was specifically written for
> Siemens hardware used in nuclear environments. The virus spread through pen
> drives. Again this is the Windows related activity. 
Try Google for "Stuxnet worm". The first page alone has enough info to 
make ones head swim
> India has tremendous
> talent and potential to develop its own weapons and sophisticated systems
> but we still have to learn to organize international sporting events without
> becoming laughing stocks and objects of ridicule in the International media.
>   
Happy Diwali

regards
hg


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