Hello Linuxers,
I just wanted to check if this group has any meeting / event / workshop planned in near future? Why not get together all Mumbaikars and plan an offline meeting?
Regards, Ashwin
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Ashwin U. Kiniashwinkini@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Linuxers,
I just wanted to check if this group has any meeting / event / workshop planned in near future? Why not get together all Mumbaikars and plan an offline meeting?
Well,kind of.A Mumbai Python Users Group meet(whose members are a subset of this group) is planned on July 12th.
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out linux, install linux on their computers and solve problems.
The group usually has Ubuntu CDs to hand out, too. I myself order a couple for myself every release, and the time to expedite the CDs to India is quite short - my 9.04 CDs arrived only a couple weeks after the actual release, and, I don't know how many of you get them like I do, but the CDs are very nicely packaged and professionally pressed - especially the latest ones. LUGs can usually get bulk orders (25+) from Canonical.
I think there are paid memberships available as well, which covers costs of things like renting out a large space with electricity and a broadband connection for these events, as well as occasional things like promotional materials (handouts/flyers, extra CDs in case they don't get enough from Canonical, business cards) for things like Software Freedom Day and GNU's Birthday. Does ILUG-Mumbai have this also? Maybe it should.
Mathew
Ashwin U. Kini wrote:
Hello Linuxers,
I just wanted to check if this group has any meeting / event / workshop planned in near future? Why not get together all Mumbaikars and plan an offline meeting?
Regards, Ashwin
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out linux, install linux on their computers and solve problems.
We have monthly meetings,but not as regular as we wish. ;) If I understand you correctly,you are speaking of installfests,which we DON'T have.
The group usually has Ubuntu CDs to hand out, too. I myself order a couple for myself every release, and the time to expedite the CDs to India is quite short - my 9.04 CDs arrived only a couple weeks after the actual release, and, I don't know how many of you get them like I do, but the CDs are very nicely packaged and professionally pressed - especially the latest ones. LUGs can usually get bulk orders (25+) from Canonical.
Probably,yes.The LUG is an informal organization,unlike the Bangalore LUG which (was,once upon a time) a registered society,so I wonder who could take delivery or whatever.BTW,we have CDs Required and CDs Available pages on the wiki where "normal" people as you say,can ask for CDs and a member nearby will meet them and provide them with the requested disks.All this is done solely by private communication,except for the Request for CDs part.
I think there are paid memberships available as well, which covers costs of things like renting out a large space with electricity and a broadband connection for these events, as well as occasional things like promotional materials (handouts/flyers, extra CDs in case they don't get enough from Canonical, business cards) for things like Software Freedom Day and GNU's Birthday. Does ILUG-Mumbai have this also? Maybe it should.
Since ILUG is not a registered society,I don't think we can have paid memberships,because we have informal membership.All the grand plans are on hold till we get enough dedicated people with adequate time on their hands to handle a registered society.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:59 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out linux, install linux on their computers and solve problems.
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
But in many of these workshops we don't have enough time for the more interested people. So since I have the list for such people, I am also planning to propose a GLUG meet for such people in particular. I am looking at all aspects and may be in next 15 days I might arrange some thing like this and if ilug is ready to make it their event I am all for it.
We have monthly meetings,but not as regular as we wish. ;) If I understand you correctly,you are speaking of installfests,which we DON'T have.
Not a bad idea to have one, but we really need to plan this out seriously.
The group usually has Ubuntu CDs to hand out, too. I myself order a couple for myself every release, and the time to expedite the CDs to India is quite short - my 9.04 CDs arrived only a couple weeks after the actual release, and, I don't know how many of you get them like I do, but the CDs are very nicely packaged and professionally pressed - especially the latest ones. LUGs can usually get bulk orders (25+) from Canonical.
Yeah, they create a professional impression and a sence of "support will be available " kind of feeling.
Probably,yes.The LUG is an informal organization,unlike the Bangalore LUG which (was,once upon a time) a registered society,so I wonder who could take delivery or whatever.BTW,we have CDs Required and CDs Available pages on the wiki where "normal" people as you say,can ask for CDs and a member nearby will meet them and provide them with the requested disks.All this is done solely by private communication,except for the Request for CDs part.
That's actually a good idea too. And talking about cds of distros. We can always establish freedom toasters in local colleges and may be charge for such services some thing like Rs. 100 for a cd + some kind of manual or may be a one time personal service for installation.
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:59 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out
linux,
install linux on their computers and solve problems.
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
Hmm, this sounds interesting... Can we work something out on these lines with any of the city colleges?
Also, let's have an installfest soon.. i'll can volunteer my office space(in goregaon East) and infra for it even..
Regards R. K. Rajeev
But in many of these workshops we don't have enough time for the more interested people. So since I have the list for such people, I am also planning to propose a GLUG meet for such people in particular. I am looking at all aspects and may be in next 15 days I might arrange some thing like this and if ilug is ready to make it their event I am all for it.
We have monthly meetings,but not as regular as we wish. ;) If I understand you correctly,you are speaking of installfests,which we DON'T have.
Not a bad idea to have one, but we really need to plan this out seriously.
The group usually has Ubuntu CDs to hand out, too. I myself order a couple for myself every release, and the time to expedite the CDs to India is quite short - my 9.04 CDs arrived only a couple weeks after
the
actual release, and, I don't know how many of you get them like I do, but the CDs are very nicely packaged and professionally pressed - especially the latest ones. LUGs can usually get bulk orders (25+) from Canonical.
Yeah, they create a professional impression and a sence of "support will be available " kind of feeling.
Probably,yes.The LUG is an informal organization,unlike the Bangalore LUG which (was,once upon a time) a registered society,so I wonder who could take delivery or whatever.BTW,we have CDs Required and CDs Available pages on the wiki where "normal" people as you say,can ask for CDs and a member nearby will meet them and provide them with the requested disks.All this is done solely by private communication,except for the Request for CDs part.
That's actually a good idea too. And talking about cds of distros. We can always establish freedom toasters in local colleges and may be charge for such services some thing like Rs. 100 for a cd + some kind of manual or may be a one time personal service for installation.
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Rajeev R. K.rajeevrk@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:59 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out
linux,
install linux on their computers and solve problems.
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
Hmm, this sounds interesting... Can we work something out on these lines with any of the city colleges?
Also, let's have an installfest soon.. i'll can volunteer my office space(in goregaon East) and infra for it even..
A installfest would only be feasible if there is an adequate demand for people who want Linux on their boxes,but aren't confident enough to do it themselves.Have any people contacted list members with such requests?If so,we can pool these requests to individual members together and hold an installfest,with the added advantage that the newbies will be able to socialize with GLUG members and be reassured about the availability of support.
<snip> Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 12:41 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Rajeev R. K.rajeevrk@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:59 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out
linux,
install linux on their computers and solve problems.
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
Hmm, this sounds interesting... Can we work something out on these lines with any of the city colleges?
Also, let's have an installfest soon.. i'll can volunteer my office space(in goregaon East) and infra for it even..
A installfest would only be feasible if there is an adequate demand for people who want Linux on their boxes,but aren't confident enough to do it themselves.Have any people contacted list members with such requests?If so,we can pool these requests to individual members together and hold an installfest,with the added advantage that the newbies will be able to socialize with GLUG members and be reassured about the availability of support.
I have about 8 such people contacting me off late but I personally find it just falling short of "critical mass ". Next 3 days I am in SNDT to help the lab migrate to gnu/linux using ubuntu. I will be holding a 3 day workshop there along with my colligues who themselves wish to form a group called fossers for this very purpose of awareness backed by support at the ground (field) level. So may be I might attain a figure of 15 + in the coming week, which is good to start with.
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Rajeev R. K.rajeevrk@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:59 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member of WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out
linux,
install linux on their computers and solve problems.
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
Hmm, this sounds interesting... Can we work something out on these lines with any of the city colleges?
Also, let's have an installfest soon.. i'll can volunteer my office space(in goregaon East) and infra for it even..
A installfest would only be feasible if there is an adequate demand for people who want Linux on their boxes,but aren't confident enough to do it themselves.Have any people contacted list members with such requests?If so,we can pool these requests to individual members together and hold an installfest,with the added advantage that the newbies will be able to socialize with GLUG members and be reassured about the availability of support.
<snip> Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
What about every time that user wants you to install a VLK copy of Windows XP/Vista and office on his machine? Depending on their use case, *buntu might suit just as well. I'm sure we each have at least a couple of those people per month.
In reality, it's the girlfriends/wives/grandmas/mums/dads etc who become "cost prohibitive" to support, because they usually expect fixes for free. At home, my brother is always infecting my parents computer with malware of some sort, but of course, I'm 10,000km away, making it a bit difficult to fix. My grandparents use the computer for office and Internet - maybe solitaire too - so I'd like to see them on Linux as well, if for no other reason than the hardware (in both cases they are hovering about 1-2Ghz machines)
Here's what I have learned though: My parents and grandparents both got "in" to computers with Windows 98, and were later dragged kicking and screaming in to Windows XP. Changing the interface once again would be a real kick in the teeth, even though the changes are miniscule. I just spent 1 hour on the phone to Russia setting up a PPPoE connection on a German operating system - the girl relied so heavily on the way the icons looked because, even if she could read the text, she didn't (I had to keep asking her to try).
So while most users couldn't give care less about *what* they run, it needs to look and act similarly to what they're familiar with OR be intuative. Case in point: my Fiancé only likes Windows Vista because of the "Piggymon" clock in Windows Sidebar. If I can replicate that and make everything pink, she reckons I can give her Linux - It's a Dell with 3GB of RAM, so *buntu flies, even running off the Live-CD.
I find usually the best way of doing it is to essentially force users to use the system for a month, and show them the basics - they'll either use it, or they'll decide that the old system was better and ask you to switch back. At least if this is the case, you can install all the right software (Firefox, OpenOffice, VLC, Pidgin etc), so if they decide to repeat the experiment, you can show that its possible to run these things on either platform.
Mathew
Hello Linuxers,
Sounds that this discussion is going really interesting and looks like we have more interested audience to participate here. We are a group of IT Professionals in Mumbai and manage a user group that relates to Technology. If we have some members interested in volunteering, I can help with a venue space + audience. Just that we will need some speaker / trainer to get started. Please let me know the topic that we can initiate with and how do we go about. Rest all will be taken care.
Regards, Ashwin
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Mathew Carley glug-bom@mathew-carley.comwrote:
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Rajeev R. K.rajeevrk@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:59 +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Carleyglug-bom@mathew-carley.com wrote:
Hi all,
Am new to ILUG, but this is not a silly idea. I'm a long-time member
of
WLUG in New Zealand, and they have monthly meetings, as well as workshops for normal people who want to do things such as try out
linux,
install linux on their computers and solve problems.
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
Hmm, this sounds interesting... Can we work something out on these lines with any of the city colleges?
Also, let's have an installfest soon.. i'll can volunteer my office
space(in
goregaon East) and infra for it even..
A installfest would only be feasible if there is an adequate demand for people who want Linux on their boxes,but aren't confident enough to do it themselves.Have any people contacted list members with such requests?If so,we can pool these requests to individual members together and hold an installfest,with the added advantage that the newbies will be able to socialize with GLUG members and be reassured about the availability of support.
<snip> Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
What about every time that user wants you to install a VLK copy of Windows XP/Vista and office on his machine? Depending on their use case, *buntu might suit just as well. I'm sure we each have at least a couple of those people per month.
In reality, it's the girlfriends/wives/grandmas/mums/dads etc who become "cost prohibitive" to support, because they usually expect fixes for free. At home, my brother is always infecting my parents computer with malware of some sort, but of course, I'm 10,000km away, making it a bit difficult to fix. My grandparents use the computer for office and Internet - maybe solitaire too - so I'd like to see them on Linux as well, if for no other reason than the hardware (in both cases they are hovering about 1-2Ghz machines)
Here's what I have learned though: My parents and grandparents both got "in" to computers with Windows 98, and were later dragged kicking and screaming in to Windows XP. Changing the interface once again would be a real kick in the teeth, even though the changes are miniscule. I just spent 1 hour on the phone to Russia setting up a PPPoE connection on a German operating system - the girl relied so heavily on the way the icons looked because, even if she could read the text, she didn't (I had to keep asking her to try).
So while most users couldn't give care less about *what* they run, it needs to look and act similarly to what they're familiar with OR be intuative. Case in point: my Fiancé only likes Windows Vista because of the "Piggymon" clock in Windows Sidebar. If I can replicate that and make everything pink, she reckons I can give her Linux - It's a Dell with 3GB of RAM, so *buntu flies, even running off the Live-CD.
I find usually the best way of doing it is to essentially force users to use the system for a month, and show them the basics - they'll either use it, or they'll decide that the old system was better and ask you to switch back. At least if this is the case, you can install all the right software (Firefox, OpenOffice, VLC, Pidgin etc), so if they decide to repeat the experiment, you can show that its possible to run these things on either platform.
Mathew
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 06:42 -0400, Ashwin wrote:
Hello Linuxers,
Sounds that this discussion is going really interesting and looks like we have more interested audience to participate here. We are a group of IT Professionals in Mumbai and manage a user group that relates to Technology. If we have some members interested in volunteering, I can help with a venue space + audience. Just that we will need some speaker / trainer to get started. Please let me know the topic that we can initiate with and how do we go about. Rest all will be taken care.
HI Ashwin, This is Krishnakant from Mumbai. I am a part of group called fossers which specialises exactly in the kind of activity you were talking about. We have done more than 10 workshops with students and teachers with colleges like Vidhya Vardhini, KC college, SNDT, RVCE Banglore, organisations like Electronic Corporation of Tamilnadu and a few schools in Nasik and Kerala. I and one of my colligue also did a couple of workshops in Malaysia off late. Almost al the people were absolutely new to gnu/linux and many were even resistant when we did such workshops. But the results have been ausom in almost all such workshops.
You can contact me off the list so that we can discuss this further.
I have also started to put up a wiki for our group. The current page is at http://fossers.wikispot.org and i also have a blog on blogspot.
Infact I think we will soon have the critical mass for a huge workshop in a weeks time because I too am getting many requests.
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakantkrmane@gmail.com wrote:
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
How many colleges in and around Mumbai are working on FOSS in Education?Might be a good idea to hold a one day workshop to see how we all can share best practices and code. Some of the professors at IIT Bombay are doing a lot of work in this area and would be happy to host such a program.
Can we put up a wiki listing FOSS Edu initiatives in Mumbai? The GCC Resource Center at IIT Bombay (http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/grc) is holding a workshop/training on GCC for 40 people.
Venky
PS: Right now the IITB web site seems to be down.
hi venki, On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:30 +0530, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakantkrmane@gmail.com wrote:
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
How many colleges in and around Mumbai are working on FOSS in Education?Might be a good idea to hold a one day workshop to see how we all can share best practices and code. Some of the professors at IIT Bombay are doing a lot of work in this area and would be happy to host such a program.
There are quite a few. Vidhya vardhini in Vasai, SNDT Joohu, RJIT, and many others.
I will give you a detailed list if you want.
Can we put up a wiki listing FOSS Edu initiatives in Mumbai? The GCC Resource Center at IIT Bombay (http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/grc) is holding a workshop/training on GCC for 40 people.
Why not? I had already mentioned about a group called fossers who wish to actually work with the educational organisations like schools and colleges. They are focused on creating awareness by means of workshops and install fests and back it up with good quality support for trouble shooting. It is like a "support team in a box" which is highly mobile. The aim is not to split up any lugs or other organisations, but to complement all of them by providing the missing part of the puzzle.
So if such workshops are to be held, it is perfectly doable.
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
Hi all, It's nice to hear.. Colleges like SNDT and IIT, also some other colleges are migrating themselves on GNU Linux... I like to be the volunteer in this all process of Promoting Foss and also making the team of Fossers. I am also planning with my group to take the seminars on GNU Linux in SubUrban Colleges in Mumbai, as i have some good ppl to help me.
I hope the KK and team also help in that.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
hi venki, On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:30 +0530, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Krishnakantkrmane@gmail.com wrote:
Infact I was going to propose this because off late I have been invited in many colleges to give a 1 day or 2 day workshop for shifting to gnu/linux (SNDT Joohu is migrating their entire lab to gnu, although I will put up more details on or after 4th).
How many colleges in and around Mumbai are working on FOSS in Education?Might be a good idea to hold a one day workshop to see how we all can share best practices and code. Some of the professors at IIT Bombay are doing a lot of work in this area and would be happy to host such a program.
There are quite a few. Vidhya vardhini in Vasai, SNDT Joohu, RJIT, and many others.
I will give you a detailed list if you want.
Can we put up a wiki listing FOSS Edu initiatives in Mumbai? The GCC Resource Center at IIT Bombay (http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/grc) is holding a workshop/training on GCC for 40 people.
Why not? I had already mentioned about a group called fossers who wish to actually work with the educational organisations like schools and colleges. They are focused on creating awareness by means of workshops and install fests and back it up with good quality support for trouble shooting. It is like a "support team in a box" which is highly mobile. The aim is not to split up any lugs or other organisations, but to complement all of them by providing the missing part of the puzzle.
KK, If u want any help from my side, i am there with you... I like to join SNDT workshop... As before also we have done the work at small scale there.
So if such workshops are to be held, it is perfectly doable.
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
Regards, Ganesh Gajare
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