hi I have been hunting for a problem definition for my b.e. project. Well, the search has been narrowed down to Web Server Clustering. I've seen the stuff at www.linuxvirtualserver.org and at lcic.org, But haven't been able to find a precise problem. Has anybody on the list worked in that area??? If yes could you direct me or suggest a few problem defn.s fit for us at b.e. level?? ciao abhijeet
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hi I have been hunting for a problem definition for my b.e. project. Well, the search has been narrowed down to Web Server Clustering.
[snip] dude.... this thread is an old 1. But since i layed my eyes on it just now.....let me throw some light on this 1.
Wat u r mentionin abt LVS is basically load balancing. Though in lay man terms u can call it web server clustering..in the right technical perspective it's basically load balancing.
AFAIk......there r many load balancing alogos avaiilable out there........rangin from
--> simple dns round robin to.... --> Virtual Server via NAT --> Virtual Server via IP Tunneling --> Virtual Server via Direct Routing
U should really check the NAT nd IP tunneling algos...efficient way of gettin thingz done. I haven;t done ny benchmarkin though. But Even load balancing(clusterin of web servers) has a major prob....... creatin redundancy at the Load balancer in case of ur the main web server load balancer goin down...
Would luv to help u with the proj....If ur keen on takin it up just let me know.
Trevor Warren
I've seen the stuff at www.linuxvirtualserver.org and at lcic.org, But haven't been able to find a precise problem. Has anybody on the list worked in that area??? If yes could you direct me or suggest a few problem defn.s fit for us at b.e. level?? ciao abhijeet _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
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On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 09:35:09PM -0800, Trevor Warren wrote:
[snip] dude.... this thread is an old 1. But since i layed my eyes on it just now.....let me throw some light on this 1.
Thanks , I was beginning to think that no one was interested.
AFAIk......there r many load balancing alogos avaiilable out there........rangin from
--> simple dns round robin to.... --> Virtual Server via NAT --> Virtual Server via IP Tunneling --> Virtual Server via Direct Routing
Yup i've checked those.
Would luv to help u with the proj....If ur keen on takin it up just let me know.
well we are taking it up!!! what i wanted help with was finding a good problem definition in the area!! we have thought about implementing: -load sharing with geographical information....if u get what i mean. -Load Sharing for IPv6 -Introducing Security.
My point is are these aims feasible at a b.e. level?? and again if they aren't we can't simply benchmark a setup and call it a B.E. Project(Can We???)
Thanks for showing interest though. ciao abhijeet
abhijit wrote what i wanted help with was finding a good problem definition in the area!!
Finding ans is much more easier than setting the write questions :-))
we have thought about implementing: -load sharing with geographical information....if u get what i mean. -Load Sharing for IPv6 -Introducing Security. My point is are these aims feasible at a b.e. level?? and again if they aren't we can't simply benchmark a setup and call it a B.E. Project(Can We???)
make it something more attractive .... I've seen BE examiners ...... and these guys (really very few of them understand GNU world) will make lot of noice regarding such projects ..
just try to get some company which can allow you to do this project with their infrastructure then your college profs might agree .. or u need to find a really reallyy good problem defination ..
simply benchmarking a setup can not be a good BE project ... and i doubt whether ur college allows the same ... so don't just benchmark a setup .... if u set those setups and then benchmark then they might agree .... but b4 that talk to your college professors and see wht is their opinion (which is very important)
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I've seen BE examiners ...... and these guys (really very few of them understand GNU world) will make lot of noice regarding such
Actually, GNU/Linux is part of the syllabus now. All professors are being trained. Some have already been trained. I was one of the lecturers at one such training session.
Philip
Hey luggers.......
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering, Kolhapur.
Could we chalkup an agenda that i can follow over there....i hav somethin on my mind.
--> Open source nd it's philosophy --> Introduction to various Open Source Operating systems n applications. --> Installing Linux nd FreeBSD --> File System layout --> X config --> Network config --> File/Print Servers --> Proxy Servers --> Introduction to deployin Open Source IDS'es n Firewalls n routers Linux. --> Kernel Compiltation.....
Ny1 wants to tag along...Also i need to get CD's ready before the trip to give the students.
Trevor Warren
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Sometime on Dec 30, Trevor Warren assembled some asciibets to say:
--> Open source nd it's philosophy
That should be free software. Remember, open source, does not *require* the four freedoms.
--> File System layout
stick to FHS here.
Philip
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Hey luggers.......
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering, Kolhapur.
Could we chalkup an agenda that i can follow over there....i hav somethin on my mind.
--> Free Software nd it's philosophy --> Introduction to various Open Source Operating systems n applications. --> Installing Linux nd FreeBSD --> File System Heirarchy --> X config --> Network config --> File/Print Servers --> Proxy Servers --> Introduction to deployin Open Source IDS'es n Firewalls n routers Linux. --> Kernel Compiltation..... --> Linux/FreeBSD in Enterprise env's. --> Linux @ work
Ny1 wants to tag along...Also i need to get CD's ready before the trip to give the students.
Trevor Warren
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Trevor Warren wrote:
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering, Kolhapur.
How about calling it a GNU/Linux workshop? :-)
Please do add an emphasis on Journaling Filesystems that are now available with the Linux kernel. Lesser downtime of the machine would be appreciated by people.
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On Monday 31 December 2001 11:31, ambarish pathak wrote:
Trevor Warren wrote:
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering, Kolhapur.
How about telling people about upgrade utilites like "up2date in redhat" and "apt-utilities in debian". These kind of tools are not availables in any other operating systems AFAIK.
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On Monday 31 December 2001 11:31, ambarish pathak wrote:
Trevor Warren wrote:
i am in the process of conducting a Linux
Workshop How about telling people about upgrade utilites like "up2date in redhat" and
[snip] lovely idea... thx again dude. Can do this durin installation nd basic system admin tasks.
Trevor Warren
"apt-utilities in debian". These kind of tools are not availables in any other operating systems AFAIK.
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--- ambarish pathak ambarish@codito.com wrote:
Trevor Warren wrote:
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering,
Kolhapur.
How about calling it a GNU/Linux workshop? :-)
[snip] dude.... as for the name....i believe it's the attitude that counts. I don't want to join the camp of GNU/linux v/s linux. Never the less thx for pointin it out.
Please do add an emphasis on Journaling Filesystems that are now available with the Linux kernel. Lesser downtime of the machine would be appreciated by people.
[snip] thx again. I'll do a small briefin on the various FS options while installtion.
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 12:10:23AM -0800, Trevor Warren wrote:
--- ambarish pathak ambarish@codito.com wrote:
Trevor Warren wrote:
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering,
Kolhapur.
How about calling it a GNU/Linux workshop? :-)
[snip] dude.... as for the name....i believe it's the attitude that counts. I don't want to join the camp of GNU/linux v/s linux. Never the less thx for pointin it out.
It is not that simple. It is not the attitude. (It is very light minded term) BTW, you are an advocate of what --- free software or open source? Also it is not the `choice' that the free software gives the users, as is mostly protrayed. (Your signature speaks of choice and not freedom) It ALSO gives choice, but what it actually gives is FREEDOM. Why dont you tell us in outline what your philosophy is? The outline of my philosphy talk is available here: http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/db/lug-authors/nagarjun
Nagarjuna
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
It is not that simple. It is not the attitude. (It is very light minded term) BTW, you are an advocate of what --- free software or open source? Also it is not the `choice' that the free
[snip]
Just to add to what Nagarjuna states. As far as the open source movement is concerned, it is okay to use some amounts of closed source software. It is also okay to distribute open source software that the user is not allowed to modify.
Take Imici for example. It comes with the source code, but the user is not allowed to read, modify or redistribute modified versions. The source is provided only so that you can compile it on unsupported systems.
That is not something we want to promote, and that is one of the reasons I don't use Imici, even though it is more stable than any of the GPLed messengers. (The other reason is that it has a crappy interface).
Nagarjuna (Monday, December 31, 2001 2:04 PM)
It ALSO gives choice, but what it actually gives is FREEDOM.
To quote RMS himself (at the recent lecture he gave in Mumbai): OpenSource gives your Freedom, GPL _protects_ it!
This one line speaks it all. :-)
--- "Nagarjuna G." nagarjun@hbcse.tifr.res.in wrote:
It is not that simple. It is not the attitude. (It is very light minded term) BTW, you are an advocate of what --- free software or open source?
[snip] Thinkin abt it..... Free s/w makes much more sense.....
Also it is not the `choice' that the free software gives the users, as is mostly protrayed. (Your signature speaks of choice and not freedom) It ALSO gives
[snip] sir.... thats my portrayal of the choice ASPECT that Free s/w gives it's users. There's lot more i may wanna say.....but it ain't the right medium nor right place...:D
choice, but what it actually gives is FREEDOM. Why dont you tell us in outline what your philosophy is? The outline of my philosphy talk is available here:
[snip] just went thro ur talk .... surely, food for thought for the participants. As for my philosophy....it's just abt the CHOICE nd the FreeDOM(in all the perspectives that u have been talkin abt).
Trevor Warren
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 11:31:43AM +0530, ambarish pathak wrote:
Trevor Warren wrote:
i am in the process of conducting a Linux Workshop at the RajaRam S. College Of Engineering, Kolhapur.
How about calling it a GNU/Linux workshop? :-)
We should use `free software' in place of `open source'. Though the use of the latter term has become popular, what we are indeed promoting is free software In fact, Trevor, when you talk about the philosophy you should mention the differences clearly to the students.
Nagarjuna
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 11:31:43AM +0530, ambarish pathak wrote:
We should use `free software' in place of `open source'. Though the use of the latter term has become popular, what we are indeed promoting is free software In fact, Trevor, when you talk about the philosophy you should mention the differences clearly to the students.
[snip] yep.....i guess it's very necessary to make this terms clear to the attendees. Sir, i would be obliged if u could give ur stamp of approval to the itenary and shape it up for further use.
Trevor Warren
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