Monthly Meeting Summary - 12th August 2017
The meeting started with Gimp talk by Raghavendra Kamat. In fact everyone wants to play with shapes and colors right from childhood days. Apart from that, basic image processing is everyday need of Digital Age.
We often need to work with Image formats and their conversion. Uploading i card size photos in applications, résumé etc.
Without appropriate tools and proper guidance this can be too difficult or even impossible for avarage user.
Fortunately we had more student attendees. They certainly enjoyed the expert's tips.
It is true that anyone can practice and teach elementary gimp usage. But learning basics from a professional artist is really a different experience.
We felt this difference when Raghu started experimenting with sample images. He showed how to colorize original black and white image with various color tools. He finally gave a demonstration of masking, where he changed the face of a person in image, keeping the same body. The transformation was so homogeneous that it was impossible to suspect any manipulation. Of course he warned the students not to misuse this skill.
In the next session, Joe put a propsal of celebrating Software Freedom Day (16 September). He suggested to arrange an install festival, a hackathon and FOSS exhibition in DBIT. The idea was to invite students and teachers of schools and colleges of Mumbai.
Although the idea was welcome by DBIT Profs and students, it could be difficult to arrange everything in a short amount of time. So we put the proposal to DBIT for further discussion.
In the last session, Nilesh showed the lab manuals that he has prepared with the help of students. Nilesh and his students team have made a wonderful job. The students had even gone to a few schools. But the principals of junior colleges are not yet confident to migrate. As per his teams feedback, the only problem they faced was Tally and .net. We need to study alternatives to these softwares further.
As far as schools are concerned there seems no problem in State or CBSE board.
- Milind
Hi,
Thanks for the summary. Just wanted to know what exactly are these Lab manuals about ? I think .net under Linux might be solvable as Microsoft it self is offering some help in this areas. ( But of course, in the long run that could be a dangerous option. ). Tally may not be a solvable problem under linux but it may be required only by the office / accounts staff. Just wanted to share the problem that I was expecting. If you have lot of emails in outlook how to migrate them to free software alternatives ?
-- Vishwas
On 16 August 2017 at 08:43, Milind Oka oak445@gmail.com wrote:
Monthly Meeting Summary - 12th August 2017
The meeting started with Gimp talk by Raghavendra Kamat. In fact everyone wants to play with shapes and colors right from childhood days. Apart from that, basic image processing is everyday need of Digital Age.
We often need to work with Image formats and their conversion. Uploading i card size photos in applications, résumé etc.
Without appropriate tools and proper guidance this can be too difficult or even impossible for avarage user.
Fortunately we had more student attendees. They certainly enjoyed the expert's tips.
It is true that anyone can practice and teach elementary gimp usage. But learning basics from a professional artist is really a different experience.
We felt this difference when Raghu started experimenting with sample images. He showed how to colorize original black and white image with various color tools. He finally gave a demonstration of masking, where he changed the face of a person in image, keeping the same body. The transformation was so homogeneous that it was impossible to suspect any manipulation. Of course he warned the students not to misuse this skill.
In the next session, Joe put a propsal of celebrating Software Freedom Day (16 September). He suggested to arrange an install festival, a hackathon and FOSS exhibition in DBIT. The idea was to invite students and teachers of schools and colleges of Mumbai.
Although the idea was welcome by DBIT Profs and students, it could be difficult to arrange everything in a short amount of time. So we put the proposal to DBIT for further discussion.
In the last session, Nilesh showed the lab manuals that he has prepared with the help of students. Nilesh and his students team have made a wonderful job. The students had even gone to a few schools. But the principals of junior colleges are not yet confident to migrate. As per his teams feedback, the only problem they faced was Tally and .net. We need to study alternatives to these softwares further.
As far as schools are concerned there seems no problem in State or CBSE board.
- Milind
On Aug 16, 2017 12:27 PM, "Vishwas Hajirnis"
Tally may not be a solvable problem under linux but it
may be required only by the office / accounts staff.
Krishnakant Mane and his team have successfully made a tally alternative called GNU Khata. They have docs on how to migrate Tally data into GK. They even do it at your place for a fee. The only roadblock I see is the CAs' refusal to work on non Tally software as they get heavy discounts and promotion from the company.
Regards, Rony.
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Rony Bill gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 16, 2017 12:27 PM, "Vishwas Hajirnis"
Tally may not be a solvable problem under linux but it
may be required only by the office / accounts staff.
Krishnakant Mane and his team have successfully made a tally alternative called GNU Khata. They have docs on how to migrate Tally data into GK. They even do it at your place for a fee. The only roadblock I see is the CAs' refusal to work on non Tally software as they get heavy discounts and promotion from the company.
That is not the real problem. The real problem is the old standards issue. Peutronics <whatever they are called now> keep changing their data formats. It is not only a CA or one client who has to switch. It is all clients of a CA firm and other collaborating CA firms who have to switch. Else one will require a continuos ongoing seamless means of data export to / from GNU Khata to Tally.
There is also the never ending issue of keeping up with the utterly daft ROC, ST, Excise, VAT departments' idiotic implementations of security certificates for esigning. Most of the above services do not function behind a proxy / firwall and require disabling to ZERO all security to get them working. Add to the mix M$ document formats, forms embedded in PDF, etc etc and one faces a herculean task in switching a CA's office to a GNU/Linux environment.
Regards, Rony. -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Krishnakant Mane and his team have successfully made a tally alternative called GNU Khata. They have docs on how to migrate Tally data into GK. They even do it at your place for a fee. The only roadblock I see is the CAs' refusal to work on non Tally software as they get heavy discounts and promotion from the company.
That is not the real problem. The real problem is the old standards issue. Peutronics <whatever they are called now> keep changing their data formats. It is not only a CA or one client who has to switch. It is all clients of a CA firm and other collaborating CA firms who have to switch. Else one will require a continuos ongoing seamless means of data export to / from GNU Khata to Tally.
There is also the never ending issue of keeping up with the utterly daft ROC, ST, Excise, VAT departments' idiotic implementations of security certificates for esigning. Most of the above services do not function behind a proxy / firwall and require disabling to ZERO all security to get them working. Add to the mix M$ document formats, forms embedded in PDF, etc etc and one faces a herculean task in switching a CA's office to a GNU/Linux environment.
Plug: Hundreds of companies in India are already using ERPNext successfully. Lots of them without any external "support" from 3rd parties.
FYI: Its also "Free Software".
Ok. Checking it out.
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Rushabh Mehta rmehta@gmail.com wrote:
Krishnakant Mane and his team have successfully made a tally alternative called GNU Khata. They have docs on how to migrate Tally data into GK.
They
even do it at your place for a fee. The only roadblock I see is the CAs' refusal to work on non Tally software as they get heavy discounts and promotion from the company.
That is not the real problem. The real problem is the old standards
issue.
Peutronics <whatever they are called now> keep changing their data
formats.
It is not only a CA or one client who has to switch. It is all clients
of a
CA firm and other collaborating CA firms who have to switch. Else one
will
require a continuos ongoing seamless means of data export to / from GNU Khata to Tally.
There is also the never ending issue of keeping up with the utterly daft ROC, ST, Excise, VAT departments' idiotic implementations of security certificates for esigning. Most of the above services do not function behind a proxy / firwall and require disabling to ZERO all security to
get
them working. Add to the mix M$ document formats, forms embedded in PDF, etc etc and one faces a herculean task in switching a CA's office to a GNU/Linux environment.
Plug: Hundreds of companies in India are already using ERPNext successfully. Lots of them without any external "support" from 3rd parties.
FYI: Its also "Free Software".
Hello!
On 16 August 2017 at 12:26, Vishwas Hajirnis patrapeti@gmail.com wrote:
Just wanted to know what exactly are these Lab manuals about ?
On 16 August 2017 at 08:43, Milind Oka oak445@gmail.com wrote:
Monthly Meeting Summary - 12th August 2017
In the last session, Nilesh showed the lab manuals that he has prepared with the help of students. Nilesh and his students team have made a wonderful job.
See the lab manual done by FSMK for VTU[1][2][3] [1] https://github.com/fsmk/CS-VTU-Lab-Manual [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amabyte.vtucslabmanual [3] https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/com.amabyte.vtucslabmanual
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Milind Oka oak445@gmail.com wrote:
Monthly Meeting Summary - 12th August 2017
Meeting Notes! Thanks for the great yeoman service. This team of members have done a wonderful job in reviving Mumbai ILUG.
Fortunately we had more student attendees. They certainly enjoyed the expert's tips.
Wonderful. Encourage them to bring their friends next time and who in turn will spread the word around and so on. Are you also announcing the meetings on MeetUp, FB, Twitter etc.
Although the idea was welcome by DBIT Profs and students, it could be difficult to arrange everything in a short amount of time. So we put the proposal to DBIT for further discussion.
This is kind of open ended.
In the last session, Nilesh showed the lab manuals that he has prepared with the help of students. Nilesh and his students team have made a wonderful job. The students had even gone to a few schools. But the principals of junior colleges are not yet confident to migrate. As per his teams feedback, the only problem they faced was Tally and .net. We need to study alternatives to these softwares further.
Others have commented very well on Tally and it's alternatives. On .NET, I am not a developer but what I have heard from others, it is possible to do .NET development on Linux. I guess this is a good starting point https://goo.gl/9x6zux. This might all be CLI; for the CLI impaired it might still be an issue.
As far as schools are concerned there seems no problem in State or CBSE board.
Sigh. I believe it's the same at the Univ. level save and except one semester course on basic CLI on Redhat 9 (the last I heard a couple of years back).
-- Arun Khan
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