Hi,
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Saw the small flash intro and it uses the same stock ubuntu screens even ubu sw centre. Esp when it is available as a 690 mb live cd which this is for abt 2 gb.
Will dw and give it a spin.
Again, the question is just abt understanding this and not to belittle any of the efforts.
On Aug 27, 2010 8:08 AM, "pavithran s" pavi.eu@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 August 2010 10:57, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
India. *http://schoolos.org/get_is...
Very Funny ! You were able to paste the version number of your browser and DNS server addresses but didn't notice a 'star' after HTML file !
Anyways nice to see distribution centres . It kind of sounds like BOSS support centres ( which also more or less distribution centres) .
Another strange part is the list at http://schoolos.org/get_iso.html is on a very poor resolution scanned image ! Why can't the data be put up in a machine readable format ? Afraid of spam bots ? Please consider people with screen readers .
Regards, Pavithran
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Brian D'Souza darksideofthemoon@gmail.comwrote:
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Does (ed)buntu come pre-packed with all the applications they have listed? I believe most schools wouldn't want to spend time installing a lot of software even if it's through an easy to use synaptic package manager. A bundled distribution might appeal to them.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Brian D'Souza darksideofthemoon@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Two method to answer your question 1) Go to any school , Take two system , install EduUbuntu on one and SchoolOS on other Go to school after 7 seven days, and ask the difference from those who use them.
On Friday 27 August 2010 09:45 AM, Brian D'Souza wrote:
Hi,
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Saw the small flash intro and it uses the same stock ubuntu screens even ubu sw centre. Esp when it is available as a 690 mb live cd which this is for abt 2 gb.
Will dw and give it a spin.
Again, the question is just abt understanding this and not to belittle any of the efforts.
You can post an installation and experience report on both systems. Please have a look at my signature text too.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
You can post an installation and experience report on both systems. Please have a look at my signature text too.
See, how many times I need to remind you all that schoolos is one stop solution of schools where there is no Internet or tend to zero Internet present. It is biggest fault in the design in Linux Distro that NORMAL HUMAN BEING can not copy/install VLC media player from linux system to another. HE has to run Crappy yum command which sucks my life all the time even at good speed internet.
I am not into debate mood and not proving that SchoolOS is best, but it has a very good scope in biggest untouched field in education system. And one day it will be highly used Linux Distro in India.
On Saturday 28 Aug 2010, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
You can post an installation and experience report on both systems. Please have a look at my signature text too.
See, how many times I need to remind you all that schoolos is one stop solution of schools where there is no Internet or tend to zero Internet present. It is biggest fault in the design in Linux Distro that NORMAL HUMAN BEING can not copy/install VLC media player from linux system to another. HE has to run Crappy yum command which sucks my life all the time even at good speed internet.
I am not into debate mood and not proving that SchoolOS is best, but it has a very good scope in biggest untouched field in education system. And one day it will be highly used Linux Distro in India.
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the objective features of the product and provide some (again objective) reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list - Benefit list - Comparison with other similar products - Special features - List of disadvantages, if any - Support commitment
Which brings me to the other, critical issue: what is the commitment on the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Regards,
-- Raj
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) raju@linux-delhi.org
On Saturday 28 Aug 2010, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
You can post an installation and experience report on both systems. Please have a look at my signature text too.
See, how many times I need to remind you all that schoolos is one stop solution of schools where there is no Internet or tend to zero Internet present. It is biggest fault in the design in Linux Distro that NORMAL HUMAN BEING can not copy/install VLC media player from linux system to another. HE has to run Crappy yum command which sucks my life all the time even at good speed internet.
I am not into debate mood and not proving that SchoolOS is best, but it has a very good scope in biggest untouched field in education system. And one day it will be highly used Linux Distro in India.
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the objective features of the product and provide some (again objective) reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
It contains Ebooks,
- Benefit list
2GB is specially designed for School. Next version will be 4.2 GB bigger and will contain lots of self explaining videos along with selected pages of offline wikipedia.
- Comparison with other similar products
Other product do not comes with VLC , and many other stuff. We have done all sort of customization which a user needs.
- Special features
right click scripts. For example, just select pdf from nautilus and right click and click on join similarly gettting ip, external ip, download here , pdfinto, pdfjoin, imageconversion script are there at right click. This list is very long. I listed a long list of operation for which a user may need command line , I converted then into GUI applicatoins
- List of disadvantages, if any
NO.
- Support commitment
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
Which brings me to the other, critical issue: what is the commitment on the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
We did 6 episodes each 1 hour [2 month] on national TV on FOSS and educational software. This was the first of its own kind of achievement. This was possible only because SchoolOS.
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┌─────────────────────────┐ │ Narendra Sisodiya │ http://narendrasisodiya.com └─────────────────────────┘
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya narendra@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) raju@linux-delhi.org
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the objective features of the product and provide some (again objective) reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
Which brings me to the other, critical issue: what is the commitment on the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
Your team has done a great job. I would suggest you collate all the questions/answers that you have fielded and put them on the official website under appropriate headings. Then you can simply give an URL and don't have to repeatedly answer on different mailing lists.
Best, -- Arun Khan
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya narendra@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) raju@linux-delhi.org
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the objective features of the product and provide some (again objective) reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
Support means, Vendor based support for installation and troubleshooting.
Which brings me to the other, critical issue: what is the commitment on the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
Your team has done a great job. I would suggest you collate all the questions/answers that you have fielded and put them on the official website under appropriate headings. Then you can simply give an URL and don't have to repeatedly answer on different mailing lists.
Best,
-- Arun Khan
Thanks, I will do that.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Narendra Sisodiya narendra@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya narendra@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) raju@linux-delhi.org
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the objective features of the product and provide some (again objective) reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
Support means, Vendor based support for installation and troubleshooting.
And who is that vendor - SchoolOS?
If the vendor is the system/network integrator then who will s/he turn to fix the problems?
Most distributions have either paid or community support (mailing list, web forums). I think it would be better to explicitly state what kind of support is available and where to find them; especially when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase the viability of the distro.
-- Arun Khan
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Narendra Sisodiya narendra@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya narendra@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) raju@linux-delhi.org
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the objective features of the product and provide some (again objective) reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required
in
India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
Support means, Vendor based support for installation and troubleshooting.
And who is that vendor - SchoolOS?
No.. We are looking into this issue that how we can create a support mechanism.
If the vendor is the system/network integrator then who will s/he turn to fix the problems?
Most distributions have either paid or community support (mailing list, web forums). I think it would be better to explicitly state what kind of support is available and where to find them; especially when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase the viability of the distro.
We are already working on this issue. We are also trying to form SchoolOS consortium for its development and support.
Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase the viability of the distro.
We are already working on this issue. We are also trying to form SchoolOS consortium for its development and support.
Narendra: How is the hardware provided? Is there a plan for recycling old computers in place? I see that there is a "chapter" of Freecycle.org in Gugoan as well as Delhi.
regards hg
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:45 AM, h.godavari h.godavari@shaw.ca wrote:
Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase the viability of the distro.
We are already working on this issue. We are also trying to form SchoolOS consortium for its development and support.
Narendra: How is the hardware provided? Is there a plan for recycling old computers in place? I see that there is a "chapter" of Freecycle.org in Gugoan as well as Delhi.
No, we are not providing any hardware. thanks for link.
On Saturday 28 August 2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Other product do not comes with VLC , and many other stuff. We have done all sort of customization which a user needs.
Wishing you Narendra, all the best for your initiative. Just take care of proprietary and licensing issues when you ship your distro with non-free stuff. What about the school syllabus? Is it set by the Board of Education or is it independent enough to be based on FOSS. What about the annual exams on computer education?
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 28 August 2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Other product do not comes with VLC , and many other stuff. We have done
all
sort of customization which a user needs.
Wishing you Narendra, all the best for your initiative. Just take care of proprietary and licensing issues when you ship your distro with non-free stuff.
Currently it do not contains any non-free stuff. it is also monofree.
What about the school syllabus? Is it set by the Board of Education or is it independent enough to be based on FOSS. What about the annual exams on computer education?
We do not have books or proper syllabus to follow. Rightnow, we have just bundled a lots of educational software. list is there on the website.
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
Perhaps you can put that information in some WiKi page and just point those emails to the page.
Regards, Shamit
Hi Narendra,
On 08/28/2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
You and the team behind SchoolOS have obviously worked hard and done a good job. Your active participation and promotion of SchoolOS on various lists is very visible and commendable.
However, remember that there /will/ be people who do not know about SchoolOS (in fact, you should look at that as an advantage -- more people to promote/advertise to).
If you see the trend that every time you make an announcement, someone jumps with a statement 'why schoolos ?' perhaps it is an indication that you need to include the answer (or a link to the answer) in all your announcements.
You'll have to do this till this information is so widely available that it is just common knowledge, and anyone (ie: not just you, anyone, including people who haven't even tried schoolOS -- for instance) can answer these questions.
There was a time when people used to join a LUG list and post questions like - I heard about linux from my friend, can I install in on my Window 95 system ? Where can I find the setup.exe on the my Redhat linux CD ? what is linux ? why should I use linux ? What is the meaning/advantage of FOSS ?
These days, you'd be surprised to see such a question, just because the answers are not only easy to find but also are glaringly obvious.
Don't lose your cool. Keep on the good work and work towards the time when you won't have to explain 'Why schoolOS ?
cheers, - steve
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:36 PM, steve steve@lonetwin.net wrote:
Hi Narendra,
On 08/28/2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
You and the team behind SchoolOS have obviously worked hard and done a good job. Your active participation and promotion of SchoolOS on various lists is very visible and commendable.
However, remember that there /will/ be people who do not know about SchoolOS (in fact, you should look at that as an advantage -- more people to promote/advertise to).
If you see the trend that every time you make an announcement, someone jumps with a statement 'why schoolos ?' perhaps it is an indication that you need to include the answer (or a link to the answer) in all your announcements.
You'll have to do this till this information is so widely available that it is just common knowledge, and anyone (ie: not just you, anyone, including people who haven't even tried schoolOS -- for instance) can answer these questions.
There was a time when people used to join a LUG list and post questions like - I heard about linux from my friend, can I install in on my Window 95 system ? Where can I find the setup.exe on the my Redhat linux CD ? what is linux ? why should I use linux ? What is the meaning/advantage of FOSS ?
These days, you'd be surprised to see such a question, just because the answers are not only easy to find but also are glaringly obvious.
Don't lose your cool. Keep on the good work and work towards the time when you won't have to explain 'Why schoolOS ?
cheers,
- steve
-- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
Thanks , we are redesigning the website, I will add the detailed FAQ on the website.
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:36 +0530, steve wrote:
You and the team behind SchoolOS have obviously worked hard and done a good job. Your active participation and promotion of SchoolOS on various lists is very visible and commendable.
However, remember that there /will/ be people who do not know about SchoolOS (in fact, you should look at that as an advantage -- more people to promote/advertise to).
actually no school will ever ask 'why school os'. The people who are asking are people who have their own favourite OS that they want to push. Or others who generally put down any good effort by saying 'why reinvent the wheel?' Remember there are lakhs of types of wheels today - because people keep reinventing it. If there are people enthusiastically setting up OSs in schools, and they ask this question, it may be worth answering - but I doubt whether such people will ask the question.
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