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Reg. kopete
by Joe Steeve 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

I had earlier posted a announcement (a forward from lug-goa) about the patent infringement of Kopete. The announcement sounded like the Kopete project was getting sued. At the time of posting it to the list., I was offline and so was unable to verify the facts. Sorry about the mis-interpretations. The correct news is that., the developer team of Kopete, a KDE based IM client., have decided to close down the site www.kopete.org in order to make the users from EU to talk to their local EU representatives and make them vote against the bill approving `software patents` in the EU. They have not been threatened by anybody (till now). They have mentioned the IM patents that they infringe just to make the readers realize how silly and stupid software patents could be. However.. software patents do suck., and to hell with them. -- .O. A proud GNU user ..O http://www.joesteeve.tk/ OOO http://joe.bsdnerds.org/

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Three cheers to Kerala...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Three cheers to the Kerala text books, which are attempting to offer vendor-independent education in IT, as is evident from this extract below, Chapter III, Std X text book (available for free download): http://mission.akshaya.net/dpi/ * Spread sheets are the software which helps to calculate quickly and easily. * Different spreadsheets are used in the Operating system(s) such as Windows and GNU/Linux. * Microsoft Excel is the widely used spreadsheet in Windows. * Open Office Calc is the spread sheet used in GNU/Linux.... _____ _/ ____\____ Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa \ __\/ \ India T +91.832.2409490 M +919822 122436 | | | | \ http://fn.swiki.net http://goabooks.swiki.net |__| |___| / http://www.bytesforall.net http://www.bytesforall.org \/ ----------------------------------------------------- Sign up for low-volume, high-quality news summaries and updates from Goa at http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net * It's free and volunteer-driven.

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Re: [Fsf-friends] [Fwd: Re: [Fsf-tn] Kopete is closed for patent infringement]
by Kanti Jadia 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Further to this,can somebody clarify the following points. 1. Can we get kopete hosted in India 2. Is it legal in India to reverse engineer software ( for learning or creating a compatible system ) Regards Kanti On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 Ramanraj K wrote : > -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Re: [Fsf-tn] Kopete is closed for patent infringement >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:42:15 +0530 > From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj.k(a)gmail.com> >To: Joe Steeve <joe_steeve(a)gmx.net> >CC: GLUG Madurai <glug-madurai-discuss(a)lists.sourceforge.net>, GLUGOT <glugot(a)tce.edu>, SREC LUG <srec-lug(a)yahoogroups.com>, KEC Linux User Group <klug(a)mail.kongu.edu>, FSF Tamil Nadu <fsf-tn(a)gnu.org.in>, SonaLUG <sonalug(a)yahoogroups.com> >References: <8764yr8y15.fsf(a)deck8.enterprise> > >Joe Steeve wrote: > >>THIS IS JUST A BEGINNING! >> >>Kopete, the famous KDE messenger is closed for patent >>infringement. >>The patents that affect Kopete are: >>(0) Patent 6449344, granted to ICQ. The patent covers >>anything resembling a network that lets multiple IM >>users see when other people are present and the >>communicate with them >>(1) iKimbo (www.ikimbo.com) received a patent on a >>method for inviting people to join "communities" which >>include chat or instant messaging systems. >>(2) Microsoft received a patent on "Activity >>Monitoring" for Instant Messaging systems. This patent >>would seem to cover the MSN Messenger messages that >>say: "Sally is typing now..." >> >>See http://www.kopete.org/ >It is time India filed a complaint in the WTO against the illegitimate and illegal practice of "software patents" that impose trade barriers in contravention and violation of TRIPs Agreement, seeking the issue of directions to US, Japan and others to update their laws in accordance with TRIPs. The inhuman, humiliating and dastardly harassment of software developers through patent infringement suits is condemnable, and this should halt. The means of criminal prosecution of those who practice "software patents" should also be explored. Computing rights are a fundamental right, where each exercise is well protected by copyright, and any unreasonable restriction through "software patents" is a serious violation of human rights, and probably people who are responsible for the practice should be strictly dealt with in accordance with international law, the same way "war criminals" are dealt with. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Fsf-friends mailing list >Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in >http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends ----------------------------------------- Enjoy your Freedom,use GNU/Linux. http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html -----------------------------------------

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Re: Ubuntu GNU/Linux
by Ramanraj K 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Daniel Stone wrote: >Ubuntu is just Ubuntu. It is neither Ubuntu Linux nor Ubuntu GNU/Linux. > >Hope that helps, > Free software gives you that freedom, but I am sure it is not very difficult to give credit to the GNU Project by calling Ubuntu a GNU/Linux distribution. FSF India cannot promote any distro that does not give due credit to the GNU Project, and I hope you could appreciate this concern, and do the needful in this regard. -Ramanraj.

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FLOSS takes to the cricket pitch! (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "suchenchodankar" <suchenchodankar(a)yahoo.com> Add Address Date: 2005/04/13 Wed PM 06:37:20 IST To: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: we have built a fantasy cricket game, visit www.superteam05.cjb.net and register Hello, I am a Suchen G. Chodankar(from Durbhat, Ponda) student of final year I.T. Engineering course at Goa College of Engineering, Farmagudi. Me and my class-mate Sagar Arlekar(from Calangute) has designed a web based fantasy cricket game. This game is similar to superselector on espnstar.com . The game is built using open source and free software. Apache- web server PHP- scripting language MySql- database We are thankful to the open source community. This game was started as a semester project in Jan 2004, at that time the project had 7 members all students of I.T. Engineering course, Goa College of Engineering. In Jan 2005 we restarted the project work, added new features to it and made it fully functional and put it online. You can register at www.superteam05.cjb.net. We already have about 60 users registered. The game is free to use, open to all and easy to understand. You just have to select a cricket team of 11 players that includes 5 batsmen, 4 bowlers, 1 allrounder and 1 wicket keeper. Your team will gain points as the players selected by you score/perform in real matches. You compete against other users. The game closes at the end of the month. We have a message board on the site to gain your feedback. Enjoy playing superteam. Thank You Suchen G. Chodankar END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE _____ _/ ____\____ Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa \ __\/ \ India T +91.832.2409490 M +919822 122436 | | | | \ http://fn.swiki.net http://goabooks.swiki.net |__| |___| / http://www.bytesforall.net http://www.bytesforall.org \/ ----------------------------------------------------- Sign up for low-volume, high-quality news summaries and updates from Goa at http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net * It's free and volunteer-driven.

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and GNU/Linux
by kunal bharati 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Hello Friends, Magnet Webpublishing (www.magnet-i.com) was planning to develop Tally clone for GNU/Linux. Me and my friends planned to do it as our final year project of Bsc. Computer Science. But according to Mumbai University we have to do projects using proprietary software only !!! We cant even use GTK or QT. Anyways, Magnet wanted us to use Mono. But the project was called off because of rules made by Mumbai University and we are not working on it. Cant tell what kind of licenses they are going to use. Kunal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[Fwd: Re: [Fsf-tn] Kopete is closed for patent infringement]
by Ramanraj K 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fsf-tn] Kopete is closed for patent infringement Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:42:15 +0530 From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj.k(a)gmail.com> To: Joe Steeve <joe_steeve(a)gmx.net> CC: GLUG Madurai <glug-madurai-discuss(a)lists.sourceforge.net>, GLUGOT <glugot(a)tce.edu>, SREC LUG <srec-lug(a)yahoogroups.com>, KEC Linux User Group <klug(a)mail.kongu.edu>, FSF Tamil Nadu <fsf-tn(a)gnu.org.in>, SonaLUG <sonalug(a)yahoogroups.com> References: <8764yr8y15.fsf(a)deck8.enterprise> Joe Steeve wrote: >THIS IS JUST A BEGINNING! > >Kopete, the famous KDE messenger is closed for patent >infringement. > >The patents that affect Kopete are: >(0) Patent 6449344, granted to ICQ. The patent covers >anything resembling a network that lets multiple IM >users see when other people are present and the >communicate with them >(1) iKimbo (www.ikimbo.com) received a patent on a >method for inviting people to join "communities" which >include chat or instant messaging systems. >(2) Microsoft received a patent on "Activity >Monitoring" for Instant Messaging systems. This patent >would seem to cover the MSN Messenger messages that >say: "Sally is typing now..." > >See http://www.kopete.org/ > It is time India filed a complaint in the WTO against the illegitimate and illegal practice of "software patents" that impose trade barriers in contravention and violation of TRIPs Agreement, seeking the issue of directions to US, Japan and others to update their laws in accordance with TRIPs. The inhuman, humiliating and dastardly harassment of software developers through patent infringement suits is condemnable, and this should halt. The means of criminal prosecution of those who practice "software patents" should also be explored. Computing rights are a fundamental right, where each exercise is well protected by copyright, and any unreasonable restriction through "software patents" is a serious violation of human rights, and probably people who are responsible for the practice should be strictly dealt with in accordance with international law, the same way "war criminals" are dealt with.

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[Fwd: Summary of the Workshop at UoM on TRIPS Treaty and Computer Programs]
by Ramanraj K 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Summary of the Workshop at UoM on TRIPS Treaty and Computer Programs Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:06:48 +0530 From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj.k(a)gmail.com> To: ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in Brief highlights of the Workshop on "TRIPS Treaty and Computer Programs at the Dept. of Legal Studies, UoM on 8th April 2005: The presentation slides are available at: http://wiki.ffii.org/Madras050408En Sivasankar started the discussion with the difficulties involved in testing "program equivalence", giving two short programs, based on the Goldbach conjecture, calling one as the goldbach (about 7 lines) and the other the ghost_of_goldbach (about 3 lines that always returns true). Testing program equivalence is at the heart of any "software patent" infringement suit, and Shiv proved that it is well impossible to scientifically research and conclude that two given programs are equivalent. There are not even any standard rules for scientifically testing and concluding "program equivalence". Sivasankar holds a B.Tech. from the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras, and has done M.E. in Computer Science, at IISc., Bangalore. He has worked for IBM, USA., and has presented several papers on computer science, and software development. Well, he is a typical expert who may be called to testify in a "software patent" infringement suit, to "prove" that a given computer program infringes upon a given "software patent". From what I understood, no expert can assert on oath that two programs are "equivalent" or that one is a copy of the other, except when the two are exact copies. Murali discussed the various business models used by software entities to do business. I basically summarised the recent events touching upon patentability of software patents under TRIPS that has mostly been discussed to death in our various mailing lists; and to enliven the proceedings; took the audience through the recent decision pronounced in Eolas v. Microsoft, to explain how the system works in the US, and that we should explore and research the steps that could be taken against the illegitimate practice of "software patents" which are a barrier against free trade. I would like to thank Raman who gave a demo, and all the participants from ilugc. Please post your comments/opinions to jur-parl mailing list at http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/jur-parl Thanks, Ramanraj.

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Fwd: [nagarjun@gnowledge.org: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and GNU/Linux]
by Nagarjuna G. 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

The forwarded mail may be of interest to all. ----- Forwarded message from "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> ----- > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:45:14 +0530 > From: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and GNU/Linux > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Reply-To: nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org, "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, > India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Organization: gnowledge.org > User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 > > > I have been seeing that off and on this list keeps > talking about Tally and how to run this on GNU/Linux? > Tally is not a free software, and I dont see why users > should discuss this on this list. > > On the other hand availability of accounting packages > is a big problem and several hackers are addressing > this issue, including some of our own list members. We > should discuss those issues. > > This list is not for discussing propreitary software, > but free software. In fact we should be discussing the > issue of how to boycott the distributions that ship > propreitary software and have explicit tieups with such > agencies. This clearly shows that these distribution > companies do not have any interest other than being in > business. > > BTW, those of you who have some knowledge of this > application, can you do some research about how the > data is stored in Tally? Is this encoding a standard? > Does this application support Export of data to any > other standards? What freedom users have? Are > the users locked in? etc. > > Nagarjuna > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and GNU/Linux
by Nagarjuna G. 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 03:28:51PM +0530, Philip Tellis wrote: > Sometime Today, NG cobbled together some glyphs to say: > > Finally, I don't believe in boycotting distros that provide non-free > software. That would be just as fascist as boycotting all free software > as viral. Each person is intelligent enough to make their own choice. > Our job as free software advocates is to educate people and not to force > them to do our bidding. If someone chooses to make the wrong choices, > we have to think about whether we want him on our side or not. > when we ask someone to boycott, we dont force with a gun point. we inform them of the dangers and campaign. Ultimately, it left to the users. When Mahatma called for boycotting British goods, it was an expression of protest. If free software community doesnt protest, freedom is never possible. This is a relentless job, because there is always someone who wants to take away our freedom. A protest will make the distribution company think twice before signing agreements with proprietary companies. My worry with Tally is that unlike even the proprietary databases like Oracle, (where the data is always available for you to take out of it, since the data is encoded in a standard), the data in Tally is entirely in a private form. I think that no country should let any company do business if export to an openstandard is not possible. This is a very serious issue. Who else will take notice of this and alert the users if not lists of this kind? Just informing people is not enough, we need to generate public opinion. Protest is one form of doing this. Nagarjuna

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