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RMS Speech - reg
by Amachu 27 Feb '05

27 Feb '05

hi, it would be of great help if you could get me a copy of RMS speech... where shall i collect it? regards, Sri Ramadoss M, On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:33:26 -0800 (PST), fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in <fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in> wrote: > Send Fsf-friends mailing list submissions to > fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsf-friends-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fsf-friends digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [Fwd: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: <nettime> A Call to Action in > OASIS]] (Ramanraj K) > 2. Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India, Speaks on Open > Source Code Software (Venkat Kumaraswamy) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:22:51 +0530 > From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj.k(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] [Fwd: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: <nettime> A > Call to Action in OASIS]] > To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: <421F2DB3.1030807(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: A Call to Action in OASIS] > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:23 +0100 > From: Holger Blasum <holgerlists(a)blasum.net> > To: us-parl(a)ffii.org > > ----- Forwarded message from DAVIDE MERONI ----- > > To: Nettime-l > From: DAVIDE MERONI > Subject: A Call to Action in OASIS > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:01 +0100 > Reply-To: DAVIDE MERONI > > A Call to Action in OASIS > > The free and open source software community has long demanded that > industry standards be freely available to all to implement without > patent or other licensing encumbrances. Open standards are essential for > free software and open source to thrive. > > Now OASIS, a major industry consortium that produces e-business and Web > services standards, has adopted a patent policy that threatens to > undermine our development and licensing model. This patent policy > (available, grouped together with other unrelated legal issues, in > http://www.oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.php) permits > standards to be based upon so-called "reasonable and non-discriminatory" > patent license terms--terms which invariably and unreasonably > discriminate against open source and free software to the point of > prohibiting them entirely. It would lead to the adoption of standards > that cannot be implemented in open source and free software, that cannot > be distributed under our licenses. While the policy includes a provision > for royalty-free standards, it is a secondary option, which will have > little effect if a few OASIS members with patents can ensure it is not > used. The OASIS patent policy will encourage large patent holders to > negotiate private arrangements among themselves, locking out all free > software and open source developers. > > This is not a new issue for us. We fought hard for a royalty-free patent > policy in W3C and encouraged that standards organization to commit its > members to open standards. But some W3C member companies, steadfast > opponents of software freedom, moved their efforts to OASIS. Without > consulting the free software/open source community, they produced a > patent policy designed so that we cannot live with it. > > We ask you to stand with us in opposition to the OASIS patent policy. Do > not implement OASIS standards that aren't open. Demand that OASIS revise > its policies. If you are an OASIS member, do not participate in any > working group that allows encumbered standards that cannot be > implemented in open source and free software. > > Please send email to open(a)rosenlaw.com to indicate your support. We will > forward your comments to the proper authorities at OASIS. > > If we stand united in opposition to this unacceptable patent policy, we > can persuade OASIS to change it. > > /signed/ > Lawrence Rosen > Bruce Perens > Richard Stallman > Lawrence Lessig > Eben Moglen > Marten Mickos > John Weathersby > John Terpstra > Tim O'Reilly > Tony Stanco > Don Marti > Michael Tiemann > Andrew Aitken > Karen Copenhaver > Doug Levin > Dan Ravicher > Larry Augustin > Mitchell Kapor > Russell Nelson > Guido van Rossum > Daniel Quinlan > Murugan Pal > Stuart Cohen > Danese Cooper > Eric Raymond > Mark Webbink > Ken Coar > Doc Searls > Brian Behlendorf > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: majordomo(a)bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)bbs.thing.net > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Holger Blasum +49-174-7313590 http://demo.ffii.org/ > GnuPG 1024D/ACDFC3B769DC1ED66B47 No Software Patents > > _______________________________________________ > Us-parl mailing list > Us-parl(a)ffii.org > http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/us-parl > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Venkat Kumaraswamy <ellakannada(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India, > Speaks on Open Source Code Software > To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: <20050225171254.52497.qmail(a)web51310.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > "In India, open source code software will have to come and stay in a big way for the benefit of our billion people." > -- Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India, May 28, 2003 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > President ADDRESS AT THE JUDICIAL COLLOQUIUM ON SCIENCE, LAW AND ETHICS AT NATIONAL JUDICIAL ACADEMY, BHOPAL > 19-02-2005 : (Through Video Conference) From New Delhi > > Q.2 Computers and information technology have an important role in reducing the arrears in the courts as well as in helping in other areas. Broadly there are two kinds of software's to do that. Proprietary and Open Source. Which one is better? > > - Justice Yathindra Singh, Justice Allahabad High Court > > PRESIDENT Answer: > > First of all, I would like to clarify that the choice of proprietary vs. open software is driven by the usage and requirements of the user at the operating system level. > > Since, proprietary software is predominantly used at the client level; many users are familiar and comfortable with this. > > However, at the server level mature users choose the software as per their requirement. > > Open source operating system enables the development of language independent software's and also building one's own security algorithms to suit his requirement. > > Indian IT industry is capable of providing a solution for the justice delivery system and its e Governance to the justice administration on top of any proprietary or open source systems. > > What is important here is justice delivery system should be inter-operable system built on top of open standards such as web services. > > Q.3 In case in your opinion open source software is more secure, cheaper and better option or is as good as proprietary software, then > > a. Why all courses in computer science at school level teach only proprietary software? > > b. Why should almost all Govt office continue to have proprietary software > > c. Why should govt. despite saying that they do not have any preference continue to favour proprietary software? > > - Justice Yathindra Singh, Justice Allahabad High Court > > PRESIDENT Answer: > > This has already been answered above. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.From sbharathi(a)MidasComm.Com Sat Feb 26 10:10:08 2005 > Received: from [203.196.171.91] (helo=info.midascomm.com) > by cc4.tifr.res.in with smtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1D4tkN-0002Bw-6k > for Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:10:07 +0530 > Received: from bharathi.midascomm.com ([192.168.14.155]) > by info.midascomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q4Sucq028057 > for <Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in>; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:58:57 +0530 > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:20:58 +0530 (IST) > From: Bharathi Subramanian <sbharathi(a)MidasComm.Com> > To: FSF-Friends India <Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502261004210.29163-100000(a)bharathi.midascomm.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > X-midascomm.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact System Administrator > for more information > X-midascomm.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean > X-MailScanner-From: sbharathi(a)midascomm.com > Subject: [Fsf-friends] Audio of RMS Talks > X-BeenThere: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > List-Id: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends.mm.gnu.org.in> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends>, > <mailto:fsf-friends-request@mm.gnu.org.in?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: </pipermail> > List-Post: <mailto:fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in> > List-Help: <mailto:fsf-friends-request@mm.gnu.org.in?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends>, > <mailto:fsf-friends-request@mm.gnu.org.in?subject=subscribe> > > Hello All, > > In the last visit, RMS went different places in India and He covered > different topics in his speech. I am planning to collect all of them > in a CD. > > Presently I am having following audio tracks with me:- > > 1) Danger of Software Patents @ IIT Madras. > 2) Free Software Movement @ REC Trichy (Thanks to Vijaykumar) > > If you have any audio track, Kindly send it to me in CD/Tape/WebLink. > > Bye :) > -- > Bharathi S > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > > End of Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 22, Issue 28 > ******************************************* > -- Regards, Amachu Mobile: 98416 87639

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Science, law and ethics
by Ramanraj K 26 Feb '05

26 Feb '05

The text of the President of India's *Address at the Judicial Colloquium on Science, Law and Ethics at National Judicial Academy, Bhopal*, is available at: http://presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/eventslatest1.jsp?id=830 The above also includes a "Question and Answer Session" touching upon free software.

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[Fsf-friends] [Fwd: [meronidavide@libero.it: <nettime> A Call to Action in OASIS]]
by Ramanraj K 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: A Call to Action in OASIS] Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:23 +0100 From: Holger Blasum <holgerlists(a)blasum.net> To: us-parl(a)ffii.org ----- Forwarded message from DAVIDE MERONI ----- To: Nettime-l From: DAVIDE MERONI Subject: A Call to Action in OASIS Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:01 +0100 Reply-To: DAVIDE MERONI A Call to Action in OASIS The free and open source software community has long demanded that industry standards be freely available to all to implement without patent or other licensing encumbrances. Open standards are essential for free software and open source to thrive. Now OASIS, a major industry consortium that produces e-business and Web services standards, has adopted a patent policy that threatens to undermine our development and licensing model. This patent policy (available, grouped together with other unrelated legal issues, in http://www.oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.php) permits standards to be based upon so-called "reasonable and non-discriminatory" patent license terms--terms which invariably and unreasonably discriminate against open source and free software to the point of prohibiting them entirely. It would lead to the adoption of standards that cannot be implemented in open source and free software, that cannot be distributed under our licenses. While the policy includes a provision for royalty-free standards, it is a secondary option, which will have little effect if a few OASIS members with patents can ensure it is not used. The OASIS patent policy will encourage large patent holders to negotiate private arrangements among themselves, locking out all free software and open source developers. This is not a new issue for us. We fought hard for a royalty-free patent policy in W3C and encouraged that standards organization to commit its members to open standards. But some W3C member companies, steadfast opponents of software freedom, moved their efforts to OASIS. Without consulting the free software/open source community, they produced a patent policy designed so that we cannot live with it. We ask you to stand with us in opposition to the OASIS patent policy. Do not implement OASIS standards that aren't open. Demand that OASIS revise its policies. If you are an OASIS member, do not participate in any working group that allows encumbered standards that cannot be implemented in open source and free software. Please send email to open(a)rosenlaw.com to indicate your support. We will forward your comments to the proper authorities at OASIS. If we stand united in opposition to this unacceptable patent policy, we can persuade OASIS to change it. /signed/ Lawrence Rosen Bruce Perens Richard Stallman Lawrence Lessig Eben Moglen Marten Mickos John Weathersby John Terpstra Tim O'Reilly Tony Stanco Don Marti Michael Tiemann Andrew Aitken Karen Copenhaver Doug Levin Dan Ravicher Larry Augustin Mitchell Kapor Russell Nelson Guido van Rossum Daniel Quinlan Murugan Pal Stuart Cohen Danese Cooper Eric Raymond Mark Webbink Ken Coar Doc Searls Brian Behlendorf # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo(a)bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)bbs.thing.net ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Holger Blasum +49-174-7313590 http://demo.ffii.org/ GnuPG 1024D/ACDFC3B769DC1ED66B47 No Software Patents _______________________________________________ Us-parl mailing list Us-parl(a)ffii.org http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/us-parl

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Freesoftwaremagazine.com Issue 2 is out...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

Issue 2 of Free Software Magazine is finally out! Download your PDF copy for free from http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com Contents... o EDITORIAL / Your part-time job The trials and tribulations of being a "computer person" o FOCUS / The history and future of SMTP by Kirk Strauser SMTP's adaptation to a hostile Internet o Filtering spam with postfix by Kirk Strauser Effective ways to reduce unwelcome mail o Mail servers: resolving the identity crisis by John Locke How to get Dspam, Postfix, and Procmail to play well together o TECH WORLD / Poking at ITunes by Chris J Karr A developer's guide to the iTunes platform o Why free IT management tools are gaining traction by Will Winkelstein Enterprises are increasingly receptive to free software alternatives for IT management. o CASE STUDY: Mythic Beasts By Tony Mobily A small company specialised in Linux servers and amazing support o Interview with Bernhard Reiter at aKademy by Tom Chance What we can do to promote the future of free software o Hard passwords made easy by John Locke Creating strong memorable passwords using mnemonic devices and word lists o WORD WORLD / The FUD-based Encyclopedia by Aaron Krowne Dismantling fear, uncertainity, and doubt, aimed at Wikipedia and other free knowledge resources. o Guerrilla marketing by Tom Chance Part one: promoting community projects in the marketplace o A law for free software by Maureen O'Sullivan Don't we have enough laws already? o The Libre Culture Manifesto by David M Berry, Giles Moss A manifesto for free/libre culture o Richard Stallman's blog by Richard Stallman Selected entries from Richard's blog (http://agia.fsf.org/rms-blog) from November 2004 to December 2004. 75 PGS * WORLD-CLASS PRINTING, GET-UP * A DOWNLOAD AWAY * unbelievable? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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Re: Extramural Lecture by RMS @ IIT-Madras
by Bharathi Subramanian 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: Hello All, > Topic : "The Danger of Software Patents" > Speaker: Richard M Stallman (RMS) > Time : 15:00 - 17:00 Mon Feb 7th 2005 Audio Files for the above Talk is avail in the ILUGC site: http://www.chennailug.org/meeting/info/TheDangerOfSWPatent1of2.ogg http://www.chennailug.org/meeting/info/TheDangerOfSWPatent2of2.ogg Note: Each file size ~= 8MB. Bye :) -- Bharathi S

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IOSN-CDAC Localisation How-To and Toolkit...
by Rajendra Prasad Murakonda 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

The near final version of the IOSN-CDAC L10N How-To and Toolkit is now available for a final round of comments and feedback. http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD/ Plase go through it and give your feedback as soon as possible. Most probably, the guide will be licensed under "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0". Also can somebody throw me some light on the differences between GNU FDL and the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 ? Thanks & Regards, -- Rajendra Prasad Murakonda, ETU division, C-DAC Mumbai (erstWhile NCST). Off Phone : 91 22 27565303 extn : 302 Mobile(WLL) : 0 93235 83185 http://www.livejournal.com/~prodizy/

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Norms for software patents to be finalised
by CK Raju 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

>we need to find out how to submit guidelines. Should'we submit them >immediately to the concerned. whom to send the guidelines. >Nagarjuna http://rajyasabha.nic.in/legislative/amendbills/ personal_law/pressrelease_rightbill.htm I think we can incorporate our views here and have the same forwarded to watts(a)sansad.nic.in In the meantime someone can explore who is after the Patents exercise. CK Raju _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> An Online Linux Magazine

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Free Software notes ... by Niklas Vainio (Finland)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

http://hiisi.fi/blog/post/2005/02/18/linux-asia-2005/ 2005/2/18 Linux Asia 2005 Filed under: * Free Software -- Niklas Vainio @ 13:49 ... First day was on Linux on desktop and support. Professor Deepak Phatak gave some interesting figures. In India, there are 7 PCs per 1000 citizens, in China that is 37 per 1000. Average price of computer is now 30 000-40 000 Rs. First 500 million computers are in the developed world, the next 500 million should come from Asia and Africa. To make that possible, there should be more investments in India and the cost of computer, including software should drop to 1/4th of current, i.e. to 10 000 Rs. At the moment, India is a "net taker" in the open source movement, but in few years it should become a "net giver". Dr. Phatak is currently running a program to get computer science students involved in open source development. Matthew Szulik of Red Hat said basically that customers don't want operating systems, they want solutions and that Red Hat doesn't sell operating systems, it sells subscriptions. Ju"rgen Geck of Novell SUSE had an interesting parallel of the early history of automobile industry. Henry Ford didn't only invent the assembly line, he also created open standards - standard screws, bolts etc. Second day was about storage and high performance computing. I was getting flu and wasn't so interested in the topic so I skipped most of the day. Third day was the most interesting for me. Jitendra Shah spoke about his Janabhaaraati Live CD with localized software. He said a couple of things I hadn't thought about the use of IT in government offices. For government use, you need: Indian language support, office tools, printing, network, communication utilities, document management, search in Indian languages, name translitteration, GIS and low-cost support (can IBM/Red Hat/Novell do that?). The most interesting session was an ad-hoc session right after the official program about why Open Source still hasn't gotten off in India yet. This session had the most discussion and argumentation, about piracy vs. free software etc. Somebody from the audience criticized David Axmark (of MySQL) that it's easy for him to develop software and give it away since he's from a social democracy. On one hand it's very true that FLOSS has hidden assumptions on the background of the free software hacker. A large part of free software is software somebody wrote on their free time. Not everybody can afford that. On the other hand, freedom of the software is part of the strategy of MySQL - it wouldn't have become so great piece of software if it hasn't been free. Same applies to Linux, gcc, KDE, Firefox and many others. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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Anti patents day for drugs
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Shouldn't we be joining such initiatives? FN Vidyadhar Gadgil reminds us of a protest in Panjim to mark Anti-Patents Day for Drugs. The Indian Patent (Amendment) Bill is likely to be passed in the Parliament in March 2005. However, it is seen as draconian, since it would cause prices of essential medicines to go out of reach of common man. A Global Campaign has been launched around the world against this Indian Patent (Amendment) Bill. February 26, 2005 (Saturday) is going to be observed as the Anti Patents Day for Drugs. On this day, the world over, rallies, campaigns, etc., are being organized. Here, in Goa, a people�s protest rally has been organized by Positive People in Panjim on 26th February 2005 starting at the Panjim Church steps at 10.a.m. The rally will move through the city and culminate at Azad Maidan after which a delegation will be forwarding a memorandum to the Chief Minister of Goa. We call upon all of you to join us at the rally, and protest against the Patent Amendment Bill. Yours in Solidarity Positive People. Convener: Raj Vaidya Co-Conveners: Reggie Gomes & Cynthia Andrade ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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Re: [Fsf-tn] Gnowsys, gnoware and gnowledge
by Ramanraj K 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Nagarjuna G. wrote: >just wanted to make a minor correction in the account that gnoware is >different from GNOWSYS. you mentioned gnoware, where it should be >GNOWSYS. > Oops ;) Gnow these :) GNOWSYS is an acronym for Gnowledge Networking and Organizing SYStem and a pun on gnosis as well. http://www.gnowledge.org/GNOWSYS/Programs/Data/ObjectType/G/GNOWSYS/viewObj… GNOWARE is the name of a GNU/Linux distro ( www.gnoware.org ) GNOWLEDGE at http://web.gnowledge.org/ gives more info about the things to gnow. Part of the argument during our travel together, was that oop is not suitable for gnowledge like services. oop serves computer programs themselves well, but the same is not suitable for modeling the real world. An elaborate discussion about that is available at: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm

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