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Query from a Silicon Valley Indian ... selling out education to proprietary s/w
by Frederick Noronha(FN) 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

V. M. Kumaraswamy, a Silicon Valley Indian, is keen to check out the possibilities of filing a public interest litigation over what he sees as the "wrong doings" of the GoK (Karnataka) and GoI e-governance secretatries and other officials recently. Please pass on any useful tips if you can to him at NovaMed(a)aol.com He writes: > This is V. M. Kumaraswamy from USA. 949-857-8578. > > We would like discuss HOW TO GO ABOUT PIL . > > This is in relation to wrong doings by GOK and GOI. Especially > e-Governance Secretaries in GoK and GOI. > > GOK has signed an MOU with MICROSOFT, without proper procedures and not > properly notifying it. It looks like they have sold Education Syatem to > MS. > > It looks like e-gov in GOK, is preselcting it's biddeers fro e-gov > projects. There might be corruption involved here. > > There are so many things I can list here for you. > > What can be done here to stop all these things. > > Can you enlighten us. FN

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[Fsf-friends] The VideoLAN project investigates possible violation of their intellectual property
by Praveen A 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Following announcement by Cinema On the Web (COW) and DivXNetworks of the new COW video on demand service, the VideoLAN project team members were informed of a possible violation of VLC media player's license. The VideoLAN project, which owns copyrights to VLC, distributes VLC as free software exclusively under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL). Full storey at http://www.videolan.org/pr2005-1.html Regards Praveen A -- "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org http://www.edathanattukara.com My Weblog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/pravi Visit me at http://www.pravi.tk Rediscover the web ! Get firefox at http://www.getfirefox.com Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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Software, politics and ideology...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 23 Jan '05

23 Jan '05

Not particularly new, but some interesting perspectives. FN Cathedral and the Bazaar, The Book available at http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/ Review: http://www.theassayer.org/cgi-bin/asbook.cgi?book=71 A pragmatists perspective of an Ideology. by cyent on 2000-12-29 03:14:01, review #68 content better than 99% writing better than 80% The Cathedral and the Bazaar is justly famous for explaining mechanisms behind the success of Open Source software. Its primary viewpoint is in laying bare the "inner clockwork" that makes the Open Source development model so successful. Its primary weakness is that of any analytic and objective analysis. There is an implicit assumption that only the objectively observable clockwork drives the process and thus discounts the role of spirit and ideology. Thus if you believe humanity can be explained by reductively in terms of cells, molecules and atoms, you will find this work satisfying. I have lived in some of the vast spiritual and ideological upheavals that have trampled over most of the world in the 20th century, leaving pragmatic and materialistic USA in relative peace... Thus I find Raymond's assessment of the role of the ideology behind Free Software a little shallow. Yet in this very shallowness lies its huge popular success. How can the pragmatic and materialistic USA, the main producer and consumer of software, be made comfortable with a methodology flowing out of an essentially radical ideology? By rubbing off the sharp edges, renaming "Free Software" to a less emotionally loaded "Open Source". By explicating the methodologies and mechanisms behind the success in the hope that one can take the mechanisms on board without swallowing the ideologies. By merging it with American right wing individualistic traditions. This Raymond does remarkably well. Whether you have more radical thoughts or are staunchly capitalistic, Raymond has done his job very well. Read it. Read it now. You need to read his triptych to understand what is going on. The Cathedral and the Bazaar Explains the mechanisms that make Open Source such a good software development model. Homesteading the Noosphere Is his analysis of the property and ownership customs of the open-source culture. The Magic Cauldron Is an excellent review of economic sense of Open Source. Conclusion of the Reviewer In conclusion it is well worth the read. Yes, you can, as many Open Source proponents do, take on the mechanisms but not the ideology. However, be aware that beyond the mechanisms, discounted, discarded and undescribed by Raymond, lie also a vast sea of extremely potent ideologies. You can argue long whether the ideologies are communistic (as many have accused), libertarian, or simply religious (eg. Larry Wall's Artistic License). Whatever your opinion is, the zeal of Free Software supporters does not permit a simply pragmatic explanation such as Raymond's. Look to the (global, not USA) history of the 20th century and wonder... What in the long run will have the most impact. The mechanisms, or the ideologies? As far as I'm concern the copyleft on this if even more left than two options imposed on me. See http://www.geocities.com/cy_ent/bugroff.html for details of the "No problem Bugroff" license. The above review is copyrighted by its author, and is copylefted under the following license: GFDL 1.1 FORWARDED VIA: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://goabooks.swiki.net * Reviews of books on Goa... and more

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hi
by Thejesh GN 22 Jan '05

22 Jan '05

Hi All, I am new to tis group. I work for IT company in bangalore. My other hobby is running www.techmag.biz which is the terrific combination of Linux + apache + php + mysql

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[Fsf-friends] GNU/Linus distros for life sciences/bioinformatics researchers
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 Jan '05

22 Jan '05

Thanks to "Tarun Kant" <tarunkant(a)linuxmail.org> and the SunnyLUG from Jodhpur for this useful piece of information For people who are into life science research / bioinformatics, there are a few good linux distros available. I will be trying these out in the coming days and will keep posting my experiences. These are: 1. DNALinux DNALinux is a is a SLAX-based Linux distribution with bioinformatics software pre-installed. DNA and protein sequence manipulation software is included. Like EMBOSS, Primer3, ClustalW, T-Coffe and others. Website: http://www.dnalinux.com/ 2. BioBrew Linux BioBrew Linux is an open source Linux distribution based on the NPACI Rocks (www.rocksclusters.org) cluster software and enhanced for bioinformaticists and life scientists. While it looks, feels, and operates like ordinary Red Hat Linux, BioBrew Linux includes popular cluster software e.g. MPICH, LAM-MPI, PVM, Modules, PVFS, Myrinet GM, Sun Grid Engine, gcc, Ganglia, and Globus, *and* popular bioinformatics software e.g. the NCBI toolkit, BLAST, mpiBLAST, HMMER, ClustalW, GROMACS, PHYLIP, WISE, FASTA, and EMBOSS. It runs on everything from notebook computers to large clusters. Website: http://bioinformatics.org/biobrew/ 3. Bio-Linux Bio-Linux provides both standard and cutting edge bioinformatics tools on a Linux base. It is powerful, configurable and easy to maintain. Bio-Linux has been customised for ease of use and provides an ideal system for scientists handling and analysing biological data. Bio-Linux also comes with many development tools, providing a solid base for bioinformatics software development. It can also be easily deployed as a computer cluster. As of version 4.0, Bio-Linux is based on the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. Bioinformatics-related customisations include the inclusion of a large number of bioinformatics programs and programming libraries, the addition of graphical menus for much of the bioinformatics software, and links from the desktop to key documentation and applications. The system also includes a comprehensive, categorised and searchable documentation system for bioinformatics software. 4. Bioknoppix The University of Puerto Rico High Performance Computing facility (HPCf) and the Puerto Rico Biomedical Research Infrastructure Network (BRIN-PR) have release Bioknoppix. Bioknoppix is a live CD linux, based on KNOPPIX, and specialized to include tools for bioinformatics. Bioknoppix does not need to be installed on your computer, making it a perfect tool for workshops and demos. Some of the software included in the 0.3 release are EMBOSS 2.8.0, jemboss, artemis, clustal, Cn3D, ImageJ, BioPython, Rasmol, Bioperl, Bioconductor Website: http://bioknoppix.hpcf.upr.edu/ 5. Biolinux-BR BioLinux-BR is a project directed to the scientific community. The intention is to create a Linux distribution for people with little familiarity with the installation of the operational system and mainly for people that do not know how they must proceed to unpack a program, compile and install it correctly. For these reasons, this is a Linux system that aims to be easy to use and still offering packages that will be part of the BioLinux-BR. Website: http://glu.df.ibilce.unesp.br/ 6. Vlinux VLinux Bioinformatics workbench is a Linux distribution for Bioinformatics. It is easy to use, no installation required, CD-based distribution based on Knoppix 3.3. It includes a variety of sequence and structure analysis packages.It is an Open source product released under the GNU GPL License. Website: http://bioinformatics.org/vlinux/index.html 7. Vigyaancd VigyaanCD is a live Linux CD containing all the required software to boot the computer with ready to use modeling software. VigyaanCD v0.1 is also based on KNOPPIX v3.3. It contains programs for bioinformatics, computational biology and computational chemistry. It also has genomes from Eschercia coli (K 12) and Synechococcus sp. WH 8102 It is suitable both for beginners (12 demos and tutorials) and experts. ISO image size (v 0.1) is 647 MB. And let me tell you this is an effort by an Indian. Kudos to you Pratul K. Agarwal for such a nice package. In fact I just downloaded the CD and have casually tried it. Looks superb. It has the option for a persistant home directory on HDD, which is very essential for Live CDs. Every thing is very comprehensively arranged. Once again. Three chers for Pratul. Cheers -Tarun ------------------------------------------------------------------------ <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunCityJodhpurLUG/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NGOs, searching long for alternatives, find flavour in alt.software (long)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

NGOs, SEARCHING LONG FOR ALTERNATIVES, FIND FLAVOUR IN ALT.SOFTWARE >From Frederick Noronha For an sector that talks of alternatives, the non-governmental organisations (NGOs) or voluntary sector stays surprisingly aloof from one significant alternative that has really worked -- free software. But there are stirrings to bridge this huge chasm. In end-January, India's technology mecca Bangalore is to be the venue for an international 'camp' meant to promote FLOSS among the NGO sector. Others talk of building 'another world'; in free software, it is already there. Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS, using the newish acronomy that better describe both diverse strands that make it up) today allows just about anyone to avoid globally dominant players, and to find more freedom-oriented options. It also, at the same time, works very efficiently in the growing world of computing. Asia Source, as the 'tech camp' is called, will be held from January 28 to February 4, 2005 and "hopes to bring together over a hundred people from 20 countries to increase the use and awareness of FLOSS amongst the non-profit sector in South and South East Asia." There will be participants coming in from a range of backgrounds. Sucharat "Ying" Sathapornanon from Thailand looks after IT for the Asia-Pacific Regional Resource Center for Human Rights Edcuation. Umesh Pradhan comes in from Thimphu, Bhutan. Ujjwal from Nepal is a "technical supporter" of non-profits in Kathmandu, Nepal. Yee Yee Htun from Myanmar lives along the Thai-Myanmar border, and is a volunteer webmaster for AAPPB (Assistance Association for Political Prisoners-Burma) -- www.aappb.org. Alecks Pabico from the Philippines is a journalist working with the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism. >From a range of Asian countries, NGOs and grassroots technology support professionals will come in "to learn new skills, exchange tips, and share experiences", organisers say. Local hosts reminded participants that Bangalore is famous for its silk, sandle wood, handicrafts, designer jewelery and (tasty vegetarian) food. But beyond the names and faces and local attractions, there's a more important message. FLOSS bestows on the user four freedoms -- freedom to use the software for any purpose; freedom to study how the software works; freedom to modify the software; and freedom to share the software with others. From a technical perspective, this can be used to reduce costs and hardware requirements while also improving security, reliability, performance, stability, and scalability. >From a wider philosophical perspective, FLOSS can transform patterns of access, usage, control and ownership of knowledge and technologies. Globally, FLOSS has grown after several hundred thousand hackers and students scattered across the globe collaborated to produce a unified body of knowledge without resorting to hierarchical structures and exploitative relationships. This movement is also seen by some to demonstrate how wealth can be created by entrepreneurs in the free market without using the proprietary copyright regime. In Bangalore, four themes will flow throughout the event. FLOSSophy for NGOs (or, why Free Software and Open Source makes sense), migration and access to non-proprietorial software, tools for content-building and communication, and the localisation of computing to make it relevant to countries across Asia. Elizabeth, originally Timorese (from East Timor), is currently doing her internship at the Open Forum of Cambodia with KhmerOS (Khmer Open Source). The KhmerOs is working to localise software to Khmer, the Cambodian language. Says she: "I'm learning from them while also preparing a localization document for Tetum, one of our national language in Timor Leste." Tetum uses the Latin script with some accents, since it has words imported from Portuguese. Talat Numanov from Dushanbe, Tajikistan works in Central Asian Development Agency as an IT specialist, and his goal is to learn more about FLOSS and distribute it to users. Says he: "My friends use Mandrake Linux (because it has been localised to Tajik)." Russell T. Kyaw Oo from Myanmar says: "I am focusing on localization, translation and modification." Guests from overseas should be meeting up with Guntupalli Karunakar, a soft-spoken extremely low-key Mumbai-based champion of localisation. He's one of the key movers behind the Indian Linux Project (http://www.indlinux.org). Explains Karunakar: "My primary experience is in F(L)OSS localization. I have been working on this for last four years, We have almost completed Hindi localization part." Not-so-friendly neighbouring regions are sometimes united by common concerns. From Pakistan, Sufyan told Karunakar in a pre-conference online discussion: "We at Open Source Resource Center of Pakistan (www.osrc.org.pk) will be grateful to you if you can give us an action plan for localization in Urdu." Localisation is an issue that many are addressing in the FLOSS world, and taking computing to communities which otherwise might just be seen as an unviable market. Javier Sola, a Spaniard living in Cambodia, is coordinator of the KhmerOS project. "Our goal is to make Cambodia OpenSource-Country by means of localization. I am an enthusiast of F(L)OSS localization. I believe that it is the key to adoption of F(L)OSS by users," says he. He has been also working on a "toolkit" on how to do FLOSS localization. In Javier's view, localization and making migration easy are the two "keys to FLOSS adoption". In Bangalore, he regrets not being able to attend both tracks. Hok Kakada, another Cambodian, works for the KhmerOS project, which she sees as aiming to "enable all the Cambodian people to use a computer in their own language". She says that by using FLOSS, their team has already localized a number of applications into the Khmer language -- actually, not just applications, but even the operating system as well. OVER A HUNDRED Over a hundred participants are expected at this global meet. Together with experts and specialists, they'll look at how technology and free and open source software makes sense within the non-profit sector -- in terms of access and content. Asia Source organisers -- the Dutch TacticalTech.org network and Mahiti.org in Bangalore -- say theirs will be the "first event of its kind" in the region. Peer-learning will take top priority. Participants will look at available options, learn how to select and apply alternative technologies. They'll access skills and tools to utilise this in their daily work. There will be experts to share the skills. Colin Charles, also from Malaysia, considers himself an "all round open source person, actively involved in The Fedora Project and OpenOffice.org." He has helped many NGOs, companies and individuals make the switch, first to the Windows-like Open Office and then to GNU/Linux. Soon-Son 'Shawn' Kwon from South Korea works with a "big corporation" by day and by night has been managing the highly-successful Korean Linux Documentation Project, "as a hobby". David Tremblay is a French Canadian volunteer working for Oxfam Quebec as an IT analyst in Ha Noi, Viet Nam. He says: "I'm implementing websites, intranet, extranet and networks using -- as much as I can -- open source, open standards and accessible technologies. I'm trying to build a strong open source community in Ha Noi. I'm also a proud [GNU]Linux desktop user." Tremblay argues that he wants "to raise awareness among my NGOs that are too often giving away computers without thinking what their are doing.... I want to raise awareness that software choice isn't genuine. Too often, they think of their computers as a hammer, and everything become a MS-nail." One of the more colourful and high-profile though is "Rasta coder" Jaromil. Denis 'Jaromil' Rojo is the maintainer of dyne:bolic, HasciiCam MuSE and FreeJ. He calls himself "a nomadic rastafari of south Italian origins" and a free software developer. Dynebolic (dynebolic.org) comes out with a GNU/Linux multimedia-oriented distribution. Jaromil sees it as being suitable for "audio/video manipulation, network radio streaming, veejaying and anything else we can come up with together". He points out that this is a "100% free" operating system. (In the world of FLOSS, the word 'free' doesn't refer to zero-cost, but refers to the freedom to run, study, redistribute and improve software.) At the 'camp', there will be a range of sessions. From planning and helping an NGO to migrate to FLOSS, to sharing tips and techniques on using tools for content development, advocacy and campaigning. In parallel to this they will look beneath user-level scenarios, and break-down tricky issues such as techniques for localising software and forms of understanding the real cost of technology use. Asia Source will be held in a small artists community on the outskirts of Bangalore. But perhaps this needs to be recognised as an endeavour that goes beyond just code. FLOSS ideals are spreading to other fields. It's amazing to see the manner in which the sharing of knowledge and information is catching on in other circles too. Today, like sharing Free Software, the same ideals are growing in fields like open law, open source biology, MIT's OpenCourseWare, Project Gutenberg and Books Online (that distributes e-texts free online), free dictionaries and encyclopedias, and the open music movement. VENTURES THAT MAKE SENSE Various experiments are seeing FLOSS being deployed to bridge the 'digital divide'. While the potential is vast, and significant achievements are being reported at the ground level, there probably just isn't enough awareness about it. Tomas Krag in Copenhagen runs a small non-profit called wire.less.dk. It works primarily with low-cost wireless solutions for remote areas (mostly in the so-called 'developing world'). With a background as a web-developer, technical architect, and technology evangelist, his interest is "in a variety of open (standards, source, spectrum, doors) technology solutions to bring more people on to the Internet, and make it a richer better place". Adi Nugroho lives in Makassar, a small town in Sulawesi Island in Indonesia. He's been using FLOSS since 1998. In March 1999, with some friends, they founded the Linux User Group Ujung Pandang, to learn GNU/Linux together and to help each other to migrate and use it. Way back in September 1999, they build iNterNUX, the first full-GNU/Linux Internet cafe in Indonesia, which use FLOSS for all servers and workstations. NEEDING A LEG-UP IN ASIA In the West, FLOSS grew early. But in Asia it is a younger development, mainly because widespread public access to tools vital for collaboration -- like the Internet -- grew in these parts only very recently. In Bangalore, the camp is being supported by the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) and Aspiration. This event is sponsored by Hivos, the Open Society Institute, and the International Open Source Network (IOSN). This perhaps marks a shift in the approach of international development organisations, who have come to recognise that the Free Software approach to knowledge and skills makes the most sense in a world where poverty and illiteracy and unconquered enemies for a few thousands millions. Prior to this event, similar 'source' events have taken place in South East Europe, Southern Africa and are planned in 2005 in Western Africa. See http://www.tacticaltech.org/asiasource (ENDS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha is a freelance journalist who writes often on Free Software, and can be emailed at fred(a)bytesforall.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://goabooks.swiki.net * Reviews of books on Goa... and more

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Freedom of Knowledge, Accountability and Justice
by Krishna Pagadala 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Please find a half-finished essay on "Freedom of Knowledge, Accountability and Justice" at http://www.employees.org/~krishnap/issues/freedom_of_knowledge_and_justice.… and also at the end of this email. Criticisms welcome. Regards, Krishna Freedom of Knowledge, Accountability and Justice ------------------------------------------------ This essay is highly influenced by lessons learnt from the Free Software Movement, I encourage the reader to read the companion essay on "Freedom of Knowledge and Development" before reading this one. Knowledge: What is it? ---------------------- "The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned." For the purposes of this essay Knowledge should be understood to include all forms of knowledge used in the public sphere, whether or not such knowledge is considered private. The knowledge not included is the personal/private/intimate kind of knowledge about natural persons, which the public has no right to know. Specifically all information in all human institutions in whether it is technology, accounts, planning documents, reports, to the minutest detail excepting knowledge infringing which is personal and intimate to natural persons. Freedom of Knowledge -------------------- * The freedom to use knowledge for any purpose. * The freedom to learn and adapt it to your need. * The freedom to share and help your neighbor. * The freedom to improve on existing knowledge and share your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. * The freedom to use the knowledge no matter its source. Accountability -------------- Human institutions whether they are in the form of governments, corporations, trusts etc. must be accountable to the people. However abuse of power has been a constant throughout history irrespective of the outward form the concentrations of power have taken. The most important way in which this abuse of power is sustained is by restricting the flow of information. To make these institutions accountable, knowledge about their workings needs to be widely avaiable so that the institutions can be improved by the public in both adversarial and collaborative manner. In the absense of such knowledge power, will continue to be abused. This is the prime reason why there is enormous resistance to right to information laws around the world. To help please join a right to information advocacy group in your home country. Also do not restrict right to information only to government entities. Justice ------- I have been concerned about Justice in the context of colonialism. The first criteria to acheive justice is that it must not be vengeful / retributive. It must be of the healing variety by nursing the sick back to health. One of the immediate responses in this context has been reparations, usually meaning money. However I see serious problems with such forms of reparations, given the history of "AID" by developed countries. The problems being 1) AID has not reached the level that the developed countries have promised. 2) 80% of AID is restricted, in the form of soft loans, requirements to buy from donor countries corporations etc. 3) Elites in the recipient countries eat the money away. 4) Money does not have value in itself, it is merely representation of wealth, it has value because of socio-economic circumstances, in particular violence that is required to maintain such violence. In light of these problems with money, reparations in the form of money seem inadvisable. Knowledge however represents true wealth that is independent of violence, increases in utility as it is shared and leads to increased levels of development. Knowledge is thus an ideal solution to the problems brought out by money. It has a healing effect in that the developing world gains real wealth without cost to the developed world. Attribution ----------- There are three pillars that have contributed to my understanding of the world, and in helping me form my worldview. First I would like to thank Richard M Stallman and Free Software Foundation, for their important message of software freedom. Second Jean Dreze and Amartya Sen's works inspired me in thinking about solutions to a lot of misery that I am aware of. Finally I would like to thank Noam Chomsky for helping me overcome my blindness and helping me understand how the world really works. Resources --------- Freedom of information. http://www.freedominfo.org/ "Free Software, Free Society: Selected Essays of Richard Stallman" http://notabug.com/2002/rms-essays.pdf Philosophy of free software http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/ ===== Books for Disadvantaged Children - $10 Health Care for a Tribal Village - $100 Electricity for a remote community - $1000 Satisfaction of making a difference - Priceless Visit: http://www.oneforindia.org/?r=krishnaact To Reflect, to Inspire and to Empower http://www.employees.org/~krishnap/ Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen and ask yourself if the next step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him. Will he gain anything by it? Will it restore him to a control over his own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to self-reliance for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? -Mahatma Gandhi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Patents & Biotech
by Rakesh 'arky' Ambati 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Patents and Open Source Biotech Biotech Posted by michael on Tuesday January 18, @05:32PM from the my-new-asian-bird-flu-technique-is-unstoppable dept. sebFlyte writes "Since Slashdot readers seem to be interesting in the issues and problems surrounding software patents, I thought they might be interested to see that Wired is running an interesting piece on patents in Biotech and the way that they can hold up important research, and how there are clear parallels with the open source software community with the way that advocates of openness are trying to solve these problems." http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66289,00.html ===== ____________________________________ /\ \ \_| Rakesh 'arky' Ambati | | Bangalore (INDIA) | | Homepage: http://arky.port5.com/ | | _______________________________|_ \_/_________________________________/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

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Fwd: [glugc] need help for switching 2 linux
by Praveen A 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: shiyasvp <shiyasvp(a)yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:26:10 -0000 Subject: [glugc] need help for switching 2 linux To: glugc(a)yahoogroups.com Hai friends My name is Shiyaz. Now I am working at Doha Qatar. Now here Microsoft people searching for pirated products. So it's very difficult To give new pc with windows xp and other software. Every pc manufactures must Install windows xp (windows products.) if they use Microsoft products. So many customers didn't agree with this policy. We have an internet café, Today Microsoft people came here and ask license for Microsoft windows for all PC (50) computers is there So today our IT section decided to switch red hat Linux. Our IT section is not powerful, and they don't know Linux. I have some idea in installation of Linux. Here all people call to foreign countries and India, Philippines, using software dialers Gcc2u, net2phone, globalvoiz, mypccall, netpccall, www.gcc2u.com,www.net2phone.com, www.globalvoiz.org, www.mypccall.com www.netpccall.com . I think in these dialers will not support Linux if we switch Linux customers can use only net browsing. And Linux will support yahoo messenger and msn messenger?. And these software. Dialers. At any cost we want this dialer and messenger. Any remedy is there, anybody help me. Please replay me immediately By shiyasvp(a)yahoo.com ________________________________ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glugc/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: glugc-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org http://www.edathanattukara.com My Weblog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/pravi Visit me at http://www.pravi.tk Rediscover the web ! Get firefox at http://www.getfirefox.com Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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Listen to what you type !!!
by Praveen A 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

Check out this wonderful text to speech converter program site. Download and feel it !! http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/download.html Praveen A -- A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org http://www.edathanattukara.com My Weblog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/pravi Visit me at http://www.pravi.tk Rediscover the web ! Get firefox at http://www.getfirefox.com Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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