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Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 8
by kiran pvsm 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

aa On 1/10/06, fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in < fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in> wrote: > > Send Fsf-friends mailing list submissions to > fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsf-friends-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fsf-friends digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 (Mishi Choudhary) > 2. Re: Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 (shibu c varughese) > 3. Re: Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 (Harish Narayanan) > 4. Re: Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 (Manilal K M) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: 9 Jan 2006 15:10:39 -0000 > From: "Mishi Choudhary" <mishi_c(a)rediffmail.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 > To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: <20060109151039.27120.qmail(a)webmail50.rediffmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > hello everyone > since i am new to all this and allof you seem to be pros can u please > spare sometime to answer certain questions i have .i'll look forward to > hearing from you all > can you please explain the economic viability of using free software? > how are the developers of free software adequately compensated? > how big is free software in comparison to proprietary software? > > > Warm Regards > Mishi Choudhary > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:38:00 +0530 > From: "shibu c varughese" <admin(a)itmission.org> > Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 > To: "Mishi Choudhary" <mishi_c(a)rediffmail.com>, "Principal Support > List of FSF-India" <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <op.s249rmdza7821a@ibm> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 > > hi ..mishi, > "open source" software, and is distributed under the GPL (GNU General > Public License), this is the difference from other major systems. > Open source can provide your application : speed, reliability, > performance, portability and affordability....An example is the killer > application [Apache], just check out the market share for the Apache web > server at http://news.netcraft.com/...also do just check out A case study > in open source business for Trolltech at > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/10/03/155235 this is just an > example which tells how Trolltech is obviously a successful company. > > Thanks, > Shibu C V > --- > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:40:39 +0530, Mishi Choudhary > <mishi_c(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > hello everyone > > since i am new to all this and allof you seem to be pros can u please > > spare sometime to answer certain questions i have .i'll look forward to > > hearing from you all > > can you please explain the economic viability of using free software? > > how are the developers of free software adequately compensated? > > how big is free software in comparison to proprietary software? > > > > Warm Regards > > Mishi Choudhary > > _______________________________________________ > > Fsf-friends mailing list > > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:02:00 -0500 > From: Harish Narayanan <harish(a)gamebox.net> > Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 > To: Mishi Choudhary <mishi_c(a)rediffmail.com>, Principal Support List > of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <43C2F978.3030903(a)gamebox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mishi Choudhary wrote: > > >hello everyone > >since i am new to all this and allof you seem to be pros can u please > spare sometime to answer certain questions i have .i'll look forward to > hearing from you all > > > > > I am going to be very brief. > > >can you please explain the economic viability of using free software? > >how are the developers of free software adequately compensated? > > > > > Those two are related questions. > > Functional business models around Free software mostly follow a path > that involves releasing the software Free (as in freedom and price), and > then charging the users for support or services around the core > software. Often times, since people need customised variants of software > to suit their specific needs, they can (and do) pay developers to work > on modifying Free software to suit these requirements. This way, they > get what they want without having to build things from scratch, and the > software itself benefits as these improvements work their way back into > the parent projects. > > >how big is free software in comparison to proprietary software? > > > > > It differs based on what areas you're looking at. At the core levels > (the sorts of thing that drive the web: Apache, sendmail, ...), Free > software is huge; much bigger than proprietary software. This is also > quite true in realms such as high performance scientific computing in > research at large universities (where distributions of GNU/Linux, gcc, > Free numerical libraries rule the roost). If you were asking about the > "desktop space", its installation base is much much smaller than > proprietary software, like Windows. But I would be willing to wager it > is in the order of magnitude of popularity as Mac OS X. > > Harish > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:40:37 +0530 > From: Manilal K M <libregeek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 > To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <2315046d0601092110g594e0a07n(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear Mishi, > I hope the book *Innovation happens elsewhere* may be a good > starting point to know how you can make business using Free/Open > source and how to participate in Free/open Source projects. It's > available online at http://dreamsongs.com/IHE/IHE.html and is licensed > using Creative Commons > (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/) > > regards > Manilal > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > > > End of Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 33, Issue 8 > ****************************************** >

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Free software poster making competition
by Arun M 07 Jan '06

07 Jan '06

Hi, As part of state conference of KSTA, Teachers Union in Kerala, they have arranged a poster making competition. Only condition is poster should be made with free software. Topics are Globalisation; Commercialisation of Education. regards, arun.

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Ubuntu in Asia, Jan-Feb 2006
by Shekhar Krishnan 06 Jan '06

06 Jan '06

Dear FSF Friends: The folks from Ubuntu and Canonical will be making a tour of many cities in East, South and Southeast Asia in the coming weeks, and I have been asked to help spread the word regionally. Please go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour and help fill in the wiki page for your city and you will be contacted by someone from Ubuntu/Canonical. You will first need to signup for a Launchpad account to use the Ubuntu Wiki. There are sections for business, government, academic and voluntary sectors. I have already helped fill in the Mumbai and Bangalore pages. Looking forward to seeing more inputs from the rest of the free software community in India (and no, I am not being paid to do this, I really like Ubuntu and want to see it spread in the region). Best, S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan 9, Supriya, 2nd Floor 709, Parsee Colony Road no.4 Dadar, Mumbai 400014 India http://www.crit.org.in/members/shekhar http://web.mit.edu/~shekhar/www

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COMMENT: Google may not go Simputer way
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 05 Jan '06

05 Jan '06

>From HINDUSTAN TIMES January 5, 2006 GOOGLE MAY NOT GO SIMPUTER WAY Venkatesh Ganesh Mumbai, January 4 GOOGLE's ENTRY into the sub-Rs 10,000 PC market has rattled the cage of existing players. But the search-engine giant's entry into the hardware sector in India with a thin-client model (a PC with no hard disk and computing) may not be a walkover. HT was the first to report on December 15, 2005 about the Google's plans to enter the Indian market with thin-client model. Early entrants like the Simputer and other low-cost PCs are being still viewed skeptically. Globally too, thin-clients have managed to make only small inroads. But the real fight is for a different space. Google appears to be looking to dethrone Microsoft from its desktop throne. "Thin clients have been viewed in a cautious manner primarily due to the price factor. But with Google entering the fray at such an attractive price point, things might change," says Nitin Mukadam, an e-commerce consultant. The advantage with thin clients is that the storage happens in a central server. For example, all data and applications (like word processors, spreadsheets, etc) are hosted in a central server. This solves a lot of problems right from storage to viruses. Also, with bandwidth prices coming down, the commercial viability of a thin-client device is now more feasible. Then, therere are issues with regards to Random Access Memory (RAM) that can run with even small memory space. Industry analysts opine that Google has a rough road ahead. "Delivering complete functionality in a thin-client is most challenging," Sameer Kochhar CEO of Skotch told the Hindustan Times. Translated, it would imply that since Windows is the pre-dominant operating system, operating on non-Windows system would take some getting used to (Google would bundle Linux-based applications). Sanjeev Sharma, managing director, Fujusan Technologies, an Indian representative of Fujitsu, the Japanese IT and communication solution provider, feels that the acceptance of a device of this kind will be predominantly in the small office-home office.(ENDS)

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Debian... the quest for more developers in India
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00538.html To: debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org * Subject: Report from foss.in/2005 * From: Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> * Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:41:27 +0530 * Old-return-path: <kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> ________________________________________________________________________ Hello, Since, I am not 'valid' poster of this list, my mail me be blocked by listadmin! I asked DWN to report for foss.in/2005 conference in India and Debian activity during event. Joey can answer about this post. Thanks Joey to encourage me. Background: foss.in/2005 was earlier known as Linux Bangalore -YEAR [1] Starting from 2001 it was highly sucessful in terms of both - attendences and speakers. Speakers was from all over the world. The conference was renamed in aim with to change focus to particular city and only to linux - it is now represents more wider choice of Free and Open Source Software - foss.in itself represnts website name! [2] Debian at foss.in! India, the second largest nation in the world - which is top in IT all over, lacks contibutation towards FOSS and particulary Debian! There are only 2 active Debian Developers in India. Jaldhar Vyas [3] who headed Debian-IN Project [4] was worried about the situation. Jaldhar made it possible to India. Thus, two talks was arranged in conference! Jaldhar spend most of time in meeting people to explain and answers question about Debian and Debian-IN. Vaidhy who was DD in past helped a lot during jaldhar was busy with other work. Debian-IN BOF was organised and it was successful. Many people signed each other's key and make thier way towards become Debian Developer. What Next ? Lots more! We expect that there should be 20 Debian Developers in near future. Representation at DebConf6 [5] from India will also make some difference in situation too. If you are coming to India, please make announcement and arrange to meet people so that more key-signing party can be organise. Well, People behind foss.in is here [6] which includes speakers and oraganisers. [1] http://linux-bangalore.org/ [2] http://foss.in/2005/ [3] http://debian-in.alioth.debian.org/ [4] http://www.braincells.com/debian/ [5] http://debconf.org/ [6] http://planet.foss.in/ Thanks!

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Re: Fwd: Free Electron - free software to your liking
by Frederick Noronha 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

Dear Prof Pattnaik, Could you please get in touch with the FSF-Friends network in India? They would surely help. FN ============================================================ From: OSS FOSS <ossrti(a)yahoo.com> Date: 2006/01/04 Wed AM 01:39:31 IST To: Frederick Noronha <fred(a)bytesforall.org> CC: vmkumaraswamy(a)yahoo.com Subject: Fwd: Free Electron - free software to your liking Hello FN Happy New YEAR !!! Can you help with this. V. M. Kumaraswamy Tanmaya Pattnaik <bapun10(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tanmaya Pattnaik <bapun10(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Free Electron - free software to your liking To: ossrti(a)yahoo.com Dear Sir, Can u send the free software to us & send me the details of your assistance to do a project on this. Yours Tanmaya Ku Pattnaik. HOD - IT Deptt. Orissa Engineering College Bhubaneswar ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org

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Logs of the GLUG meet ...
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

Hi, I missed the meet - so could someone please post the logs of the IRC meet ? Regards Sankarshan -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw

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Re: Free Electron - software
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Dear Dr, Whatever info I had is from the Net. Sorry I'm not into this deeper. Maybe you could google. I'll copy your message to my friends in FSF-India, who have an active presence in Kerala and might be able to help. Many thanks! FN On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 23:26 -0800, BSR-INDIA wrote: > Dear Sir! > > I have read an article about Free Electron - Free > Software to your liking in The Hindu Edition. I am > interested in knowing further in this regard. Could > you please let us know how can we procure the > software. > > Bye > > With warm regards, > > Dr.B.Santhanaraj, > HOD, Electronics & Biomedical Engineering, > Sahrdaya College of Engineering & Technology, > Kodakara - 680684, > Thrissur District, > Kerala, India > > > INDIA OF MY DREAMS-MAHATMA GANDHI-THE FATHER OF NATION. > I SHALL WORK FOR AN INDIA, IN WHICH THE POOREST SHALL FEEL THAT IT IS THEIR COUNTRY IN WHOSE MAKING THEY HAVE AN EFFECTIVE VOICE; AN INDIA IN WHICH THERE SHALL BE NO HIGH CLASS AND LOW CLASS OF PEOPLE; AN INDIA IN WGHICH ALL COMMUNITIES SHALL LIVE IN PERFECT HORMONY....WE SHALLO BE PEACE WITH ALL THE REST OF THE WORLD, NEITHER EXPLOITING NOR BEING EXPLOITED....THIS IS THE INDIA OF MY DREAMS..... > I SHALL BE SATISFIED WITH NOTHING LESS. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Frederick Noronha | Independent Journalist | Ph 832.2409490 _/ Goa India | fred(a)bytesforall.org | http://fn.notlong.com _/ Mobile: 0 9822 122436 | http://fn-at-google.notlong.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ EDUCATION INDIA: Relevant discussions from the world of education http://puggy.symonds.net/pipermail/education-india/ (See archives)

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FN'sEyeOnFLOSS *** F[L]OSS TV gets going *** 091619
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 01 Jan '06

01 Jan '06

................................................................ FN's Eye on FLOSS (Free/Libre and Open Source Software ........ ................................................................ ONLINE MOVIES RELATED TO FLOSS: FOSS.tv is a website for Podcasting and Vodacasting news from the world of Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS). Navin Dhanuka <dhanukanavin(a)gmail.com> is now announcing that besides a 1hr movie on Linux Localization he is planning to have CBTs (computer-based training) on FOSS.tv And, yes, they will be released in Creative Commons License. He is zeroing on the following topics 1. Basic Shell 2. OpenOffice 3. Networking 4. PHP & MySQL 5. Python ... Your suggestions are welcome. You can see the video @ vlog http://www.foss.tv/wordpress/?p=6 Also, do long on to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fosstv/ "so that we can discuss about the same". If you know about ppl/groups who would be interested in helping in creation of CBTs, please fwd the message to them. [</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>] SFD IN UGANDA: From Wire Lunghabo James <lunghabo(a)LINUXSOLUTIONS.CO.UG> http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Uganda [</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>] CREATING LEARNING OBJECTS... IN TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO: Burrokeet is an open source software project that is building an electronic system for creating Learning Objects. Funded by IBM, Burrokeet's development resides at the University of the West Indies in Trinidad and Tobago. The Commonwealth of Learning is dedicated to promoting educational and academic improvement throughout the Commonwealth of Nations, especially in the English-speaking developing world. They sponsor a variety of interesting and useful face-to-face conferences and online resources. Their report on a "Virtual University for Small States" is of particular interest. UNESCO's International Institute for Educational Planning has a set of Virtual University resources. http://www.freecurricula.org/links.php [</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>] FROM CAPE TOWN: Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town is online at http://www.cet.uct.ac.za Stephen Marquard <marquard(a)CHED.UCT.AC.ZA> says, "My portfolio is learning technologies, which includes online learning environments. We use (free/libre and) open source software extensively for web-based applications. UCT built an inhouse learning environment (connect) from open source components, including the w-agora discussion engine. Last year we adapted this platform to host an online conference http://emerge2004.net, and released the resulting package under the GPL http://eduforge.org/projects/emergecolab/ We also have a multi-year project to migrate to the open source Sakai Project learning environment http://www.sakaiproject.org, which we're excited about for many reasons, including the Sakai community, interesting tools and applications emerging for Sakai, and of course the cool technology. On the social software side, we have recently started a blog service for a staff development programme (though we expect its application to be much wider) using plog http://www.plogworld.net , and are at various stages of using 4 different wikis for different purposes - swiki, Wikka, mediawiki and a Sakai wiki. We're also interested in eXe for offline content editing. [</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>]o[</>] Copyleft -- verbatim copying, with credits -- allowed/encouraged.

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Re: Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 32, Issue 27
by joy syl 01 Jan '06

01 Jan '06

Happy New Year !!! F.J.Sylvester __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

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