Ok I may disagree a little here, I do sincerely think fadia may not be foolish or dumb, but his claim to faim may be a little too far fetched and he got more media attention then he actually deserved.
he built a brand and now selling it, even it is more or less fake. But for a 16 year old, that he was, it was/ is an achievement by his time, atleast we should appriciate that, but nothing more, and the 16 year old, now 20 something, must realise that he has to grow and be more than an ankle biter.
Same can I say about some other authors, though not as bad as fadia, who is very very popular in the script kiddy/ haxor wannbe C/C++ student community, some one with a sir name starting with a **K**, from Pune, author of a number of books on C/ C++ / C++ Projects and pointers and a lot many others. Except for maybe one books the rest need a lot of improvements but he sells.
These people have skills, and should get the respect that is worth to them, but their claim to fame is usually over hyped and more that they actually deserve. But still these people deserver **some** respect and no more.
Sincerely
Ajay Pal Singh Atwal Dept of CSE & IT BBSBEC, Fatehgarh Sahib Punjab, INDIA
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Ajay Pal Singh Atwal ajaypal@bbsbec.org writes:
Oh well, he is coming to my department in i guess a week or so and charging INR 250/- per seat (though I am not sure), I will
oh my gawd. Heh., not only is he dumb., he is making quite a good business out of it too..
post back my response, its already too late to say no, and people are too eager to shell out money, but I will make sure a spade is called a spade.
Pound him with questions.
--- Ajay Pal Singh Atwal ajaypal@bbsbec.org wrote:
Ok I may disagree a little here, I do sincerely think fadia may not be foolish or dumb, but his claim to faim may be a little too far fetched and he got more media attention then he actually deserved.
Hi List,
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Here is another story from a student of BMS college in Bangalore who recently had a similar event conducted by A.Fadia.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ howdy guys,
thank you for starting this topic.As you know the same seminar was held at BMS college on tuesday this week! thanks for breaking the silence since a lot of guys here know that im from bms and unfortunately a lot do also know that he was in bmsce.
this was just his publicity stunt. since he's running out of book material!(ie: since he cant find anymore stuff to strip off!) he decided to pull a certification program and this is sort of a campaign for it.
anyways let me get to some juice... a week back my hod told me that he was coming and i exclaimed back that he was a big joke!...a lamer...and that the first book was nothing but a rip off from GTMHH! but since we did'nt invite him and he invited himself with a fancy letter we had to have him down.
whatever said...i was not keen on his arrival. on the day of the seminar, tuesday, i am asked to start with the introduction speech for the seminar...damn!..i was seriously hoping to escape but being prez of the cse dept thats not right is, it?
so we are sitting in the room back stage and ankit arrives...he sat down switches on his laptop, and goes through his stuff. a reliance guy hands him the mobile internet kit and begins to try and connect online since he needs it for his seminar. im jus watching.
problem begins. ankit is unable to configure the net conn. he calls up someone again from reliance... let me talk about the conversation here. its one way but you here the man speaking which is essential enough for us!
"im unable to connect to the net"
"uh huh...ok... where is that...control panel?"
"wait a sec...let me reach there"
"ok now do i have to double click this?"
i had to excuse myself out... way too much to handle.... i needed a smoke and a laugh....
ultimately he was 30 min late... due to the complex, intricate problems with connecting to the world wide web and the crowd was getting frantic, and jittery
as one of you already pointed out- no code. none.
some of the essential demos you missed are!: * using proxy's! (better kick yourself now) * using anonymizer.com! * forge an email (everyone got busy taking down notes for the telnet cmd) * using netbus (wow!)
i have no problems with the guy. my issue with him is simple- if he tells me he is a business man i ll shake his hand. congratulate him in fact for realizing such an obvious market which no one struck before. but if he tells me he is a hacker then thats crossing some line.
cheerio guys
nirmal thacker (yeah thats my surname!)
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On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 01:41 +0530, Ajay Pal Singh Atwal wrote:
Ok I may disagree a little here, I do sincerely think fadia may not be foolish or dumb, but his claim to faim may be a little too far fetched and he got more media attention then he actually deserved.
he built a brand and now selling it, even it is more or less fake. But for a 16 year old, that he was, it was/ is an achievement by his time, atleast we should appriciate that, but nothing more, and the 16 year old, now 20 something, must realise that he has to grow and be more than an ankle biter.
A 16 year old getting a publisher like McMillan, with prose that had childishness splaterred over it? Doesn't sound like merit to me. It is more of a *jugad*.
Same can I say about some other authors, though not as bad as fadia, who is very very popular in the script kiddy/ haxor wannbe C/C++ student community, some one with a sir name starting with a **K**, from Pune, author of a number of books on C/ C++ / C++ Projects and pointers and a lot many others. Except for maybe one books the rest need a lot of improvements but he sells.
Are you are talking of YP Kanetkar? Kantekar is based in Nagpur not in Pune. AFAIK, though a bit showy Kanetkar knows his stuff. Many of my friends have learnt C/C++ programming from him (personally), and they are good programmers. We had his books in our syllabus in Engineering, but I prefered K&R and Bjarne Stroustrup more (learn it from the horses mouth).
These people have skills, and should get the respect that is worth to them, but their claim to fame is usually over hyped and more that they actually deserve. But still these people deserver **some** respect and no more.
Sure, marketeers and booksellers do tend to do this and ask the author to do it too. Hell, it helps the book sell. But what matters more is not the hype or the claim to fame -- there is nothing wrong in it. It is whether the 'claim' is based on real knowledge and wisdom.
Regards,
ah
Hi,
--- Ajay Pal Singh Atwal ajaypal@bbsbec.org wrote:
But for a 16 year old, that he was, it was/ is an achievement by his time,
In India?
AFAIK 16-year old's in the US do real hacking and by that age they are very competent with computers and *nix.
atleast we should appriciate that
He doesn't even know the difference between 'hacking' and 'cracking', and you are saying its ok?
It is only in India that people get away by making mistakes? That is a pity.
These people have skills, and should get the respect
/dev/null
SK
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On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 21:58 -0700, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
In India?
AFAIK 16-year old's in the US do real hacking and by that age they are very competent with computers and *nix.
And let us not forget that we have our own kids like Sarath Lakshman (no longer a kid :-))
He doesn't even know the difference between 'hacking' and 'cracking', and you are saying its ok?
I think that is okay, especially for a guy who has had only Windoze for his diet.
It is only in India that people get away by making mistakes? That is a pity.
People do make mistakes. The problem comes when they refuse to recognise their mistakes.
In this case, I think, the crime was committed not by the kid, but by the community that made him a celebrity. This community could include his parents, relatives, teachers and friends. Once a celebrity, it is only human to try and cling to it. I actually sympathise with the guy. Interestingly, there are other such young young guys who are being made out to be geniuses. Their lives are just wasted. This is a tragedy.
Best
*Chop*
In this case, I think, the crime was committed not by the kid, but by the community that made him a celebrity. This community could include his parents, relatives, teachers and friends. Once a celebrity, it is only human to try and cling to it. I actually sympathise with the guy. Interestingly, there are other such young young guys who are being made out to be geniuses. Their lives are just wasted. This is a tragedy.
How can you blame the community/population? Blaming the media who publish without enough knowledge is justifiable. But more than that, blaming the individual who "prefers" to be cut from reality is always a better solution.
Regards,
ah
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 13:06 +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote:
*Chop*
In this case, I think, the crime was committed not by the kid, but by the community that made him a celebrity. This community could include his parents, relatives, teachers and friends. Once a celebrity, it is only human to try and cling to it. I actually sympathise with the guy. Interestingly, there are other such young young guys who are being made out to be geniuses. Their lives are just wasted. This is a tragedy.
How can you blame the community/population? Blaming the media who publish without enough knowledge is justifiable. But more than that, blaming the individual who "prefers" to be cut from reality is always a better solution.
It often happens that, when a child does something unusual, he is hailed as a genius and exhibited around by parents, friends, relatives, teachers, etc. There may be a bit of truth in what they claim, but the important point is that it is a bit. With parents who are influential or are very wealthy, they make use of their connections and their resources to promote this 'genius'. Not that this happens always, or succeeds always either. Sometimes it does. For a child in school, he cannot come out of the hyperbole and look carefully at his achievements. He gets carried away. And there starts the tragedy. Because, the child apparently had some talent, but he is not given a chance to test it against others of equal or better talent, and begins to genuinely think that he is somebody special. He stops growing, and continues living in an imaginary world where he is an Einstein, Eisenstein, Russell, Gandhi, RMS, whatever.
I know of at least one similar case here -- a young chap who has published a book on philosophy. He is in his early twenties. Nothing wrong with that. But I happened to read a few pages of the book. Apparently, he has read some books and has some awareness of some philosophical ideas. But that is about all. His ideas are pretty naive and very immature. The book got published only because his parents, who are quite influential people, took the initiative. He is now a celebrity and drives around in a Fiesta (or some such thing). His life is now a struggle between acting as an intellectual, and blaming those who criticise him. He is a goner. A life that could potentially have been much more happy and successful.
Best
V. Sasi Kumar wrote:
... struggle between acting as an intellectual, and blaming those who criticise him. He is a goner. A life that could potentially have been much more happy and successful.
very well said. I first saw Mr.Fadia's documents on the Internet some three to four years back. If he had really used his brains., he would have been a proper security expert by now. But., since he is caught up in his own world-of-fame., he is just the same. And., sooner or later he is going to realize it.
But what bothers me is that there are tonnes of students out there who lack guidance, who are looking for role models like Mr.Fadia., and getting into this line. We lose a lot of potential resources there.
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 14:57 +0530, Joe Steeve wrote:
But what bothers me is that there are tonnes of students out there who lack guidance, who are looking for role models like Mr.Fadia., and getting into this line. We lose a lot of potential resources there.
Very true. People have to do, at least once in a while, a reality check. Again, unfortunately, our society is still only learning to recognise quality, especially in modern technology and science. I feel that this is only a growing up problem, for the society. Indian people have produced some fantastic pieces of work in older ages, so we do have the capacity to recognise a great piece of work when it is in a field about which our society has some knowledge. Since only a small fraction of our people still know something about computers and programming, anyone who wants to make a show of his 'talents' can get away with it. The tragedy is when the guy/gal really believes that he is exceptional, especially when (s)he really has some talent.
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