Fully agree with your suggestions. I was thinking along the same lines. Since all students are required to do some or the other projects. I was thinking that we should try to leverage that time. Especially we should try to encourage CS engineering final year project to be free software.
Thanks Krishna
--- Puneet Goel puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Nagarjun,
Thanks for sharing about https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc
These folks seems to be doing the interesting work. appreciated. and the best thing is they started some 5 years back.
For the last 2-3 days i have been discussing this info with some more folks and seeing the way this sarai list is going on. virtually scanned all the posts till date.
Without undermining the purpose behind this list, if we look at the traffic generated at this place and the kind of discussion going on, I feel this is not going in the direction they should have excelled by now. And the reason is only one, the way they are going on. precisly their operating model. The place is not more than a maillist. Not too many people even know about it.
and the sarai.net itself is in lot of other things. Particulary their 'About us' link says "Sarai: the New Media Initiative - a space for research, practice and conversation about the contemporary media and urban constellations."
What i am talking is a whole-sole concentrated approach towards a goal and that too without any deviation. Not only this we have some more points which can be added gradualy.
we have 2 options either we start on their portal etc. (but they might have their own reservations) or we start on our own with few more like minded people and take these guy's help, learn from their experiences.
As Mr. Raghav said rightly "I agree with Nagarjuna's email that instead of coming up with new initiatives, it might be a good idea to leverage existing ones. Personally, I see a mailing list as only one part of the answer, and for that, we can definitely use the sarai.net mailing list. I think what we need to do is to come up with a comprehensive proposal and then take it to FSF-India, sarai.net, Sarovar and any others out there to see how/where they can help. There are lots of people on those forums whose experience will prove very valuable to us."
rest sarover has been just a host for various projects. it is not relevent to what we r thinking of. yes! we can try/will to support it by hosting some of the projects there.
but one thing is for sure. whatever we will do we shall be doing it in complete harmony with FSF India.
let me know your comments.
Thanks and Regards, Puneet
Ps: I am looking forward to hear from more people on this. Please feel free to flame me if you think i am wrong at some point :)
On 5/6/05, Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 10:04:25AM -0600, Ragavan
Srinivasan wrote:
On 5/5/05, Puneet Goel
puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Puneet,
Please have a look at the link http://www.communitycode.org/
[snip...]
I was just about to post a similar message to
the list. I definitely
share the sentiments, and think this could be a
wonderful opportunity
to help spread the awareness/usage of free and
open source software in
India.
I think instead of targeting specific cities, we
may want to start
with specific communities of users. Folks
working in the computer
industry and the student community may be two we
can target for
starters.
Instead of starting a new initiative, it is better
to strengthen the
existing initiatives, such as https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc, and
sarovar.org.
Nagarjuna
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Krishna Pagadala krishnaact@yahoo.com writes:
same lines. Since all students are required to do some or the other projects. I was thinking that we should try to leverage that time. Especially we should try to encourage CS engineering final year project to be free software.
Some colleges (actually many in Tamil Nadu) give more credit to students who do their projects in a company (even CS). This makes the project owned by whatever company they are doing their respective projects in, and it becomes a company policy to either give the software out as Free Software or not.
Ideally, colleges should not allow this to happen. They should have the terms clear that the students should submit the source code along with the project reports. But, this is not so. Often, a `company project` is a easy title by which the students can escape From the project work. They can simply claim they did the project, and then not submit the sources saying its company policy. This happens in a number of colleges here. In most of these cases, the companies are usually startup or not-heard-of, and all they'd need is some money from the student to endorse the project.
So the place to attack is not the students., but rather the colleges. The colleges should make it mandatory for all project software to be given under a non-restrictive license to the college. And the college top-brass should be educated to release all this software as Free Software on their own portals. This way, the college would get a name and these free software projects would really help the students learn something.
Few days back I had written a mail on my colleged list asking the students work on FOSS projects, and about the support which I can give it to them. But nothing interesting came back from my juniors. Now I am open to others too. Please read the mail below and forward to interested people. Or if somebody from FSF-I can co-ordinate this, I am will be happy to co-operate along with them. Hopefully will hear something interesting this time. Thanks, Thejesh thej at techmag dot biz http://www.techmag.biz/?q=node/87 [FORWARD] Hello BTLITians, I have always been always thinking that students can create wonders.....even I have been student (but didnt create any other than B** reputation). And I have been thinking about the open source. Wonders have been created when they came together all time. Linux is the best example I can give. Well I wasn't a computer science student when I was in college so I didnt try to do any extra-ordinary. But surprisingly all my college projects were software projects. I did enjoy coding but most of it was coded by Vinay. I joined the bandwagon when I joined a software company and it became my job. I have been coding for almost two years now and I really enjoy it. And I could appreciate some of the wonders like phpMyAdmin, 7-Zip,FCKeditor, Open Office etc.....well all this are running on my computer now. Well the configuration of my own site goes like this.....it runs on *Apache webserver *, with *MySQL* running on the back ground supported by *PHP* , using *Drupal CMS*; all running on *Linux*. Well I forgot to tell you that I maintain the database using *phpMyAdmin*. This is my time to give back to my college and the open source area. I am not a rich guy to support something really big but still can give something to this area. I have decided to support an innovative student project this year for three months. May be if I have enough cash I might do this every year; But for now I would like to support the best open source student project. Here the best doesnt mean the best in the college; It means I will go through the proposals and If I decide the project is innovative and can help the real world project then I might support it at the cost of Rs 2500/month for three months. Well I know its not big money but its quite enough to buy some books and get an internet connection isn't it? So start thinking of solutions to real world problem. I dont want code it and forget it kind of projects. Well when we have money we will surely have conditions ..isn't it? Here are few..... The project will be open source project. It will be hosted at sourecforge.net http://sourecforge.net /sarovar.org / gnu.org.inhttp://gnu.org.in. Which means it will be completely public. It can be of any domain from computer science to image processing. My other condition is I will pay only when it reaches some stable condition. If that looks ok then start writing a small proposal guys. Well initially I will keep it only for BTLITians in the beginning. If I dont get a satisfactory result I might go even to public. So this is your chance to grab it. Keep sending proposals using http://www.techmag.biz/?q=feedbackInclude some basic details about you group; mail ids; purpose and summary of the project. Just a two page write up should be enough. Include proper subject line. Thanks, Thej [/FORWARD]
On 5/10/05, Joe Steeve joe_steeve@gmx.net wrote:
Krishna Pagadala krishnaact@yahoo.com writes:
same lines. Since all students are required to do some or the other projects. I was thinking that we should try to leverage that time. Especially we should try to encourage CS engineering final year project to be free software.
Some colleges (actually many in Tamil Nadu) give more credit to students who do their projects in a company (even CS). This makes the project owned by whatever company they are doing their respective projects in, and it becomes a company policy to either give the software out as Free Software or not.
Ideally, colleges should not allow this to happen. They should have the terms clear that the students should submit the source code along with the project reports. But, this is not so. Often, a `company project` is a easy title by which the students can escape From the project work. They can simply claim they did the project, and then not submit the sources saying its company policy. This happens in a number of colleges here. In most of these cases, the companies are usually startup or not-heard-of, and all they'd need is some money from the student to endorse the project.
So the place to attack is not the students., but rather the colleges. The colleges should make it mandatory for all project software to be given under a non-restrictive license to the college. And the college top-brass should be educated to release all this software as Free Software on their own portals. This way, the college would get a name and these free software projects would really help the students learn something.
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Great idea. Of-course we can suggest this kinda stuff to various colleges. Atleast if colleges are not interested/knowing at the first place, least we can do is introduce them to us and what we can do with them. If not all atleast for a start 5-10 colleges will come to our fold.
On 5/10/05, Krishna Pagadala krishnaact@yahoo.com wrote:
Fully agree with your suggestions. I was thinking along the same lines. Since all students are required to do some or the other projects. I was thinking that we should try to leverage that time. Especially we should try to encourage CS engineering final year project to be free software.
Thanks Krishna
--- Puneet Goel puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Nagarjun,
Thanks for sharing about https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc
These folks seems to be doing the interesting work. appreciated. and the best thing is they started some 5 years back.
For the last 2-3 days i have been discussing this info with some more folks and seeing the way this sarai list is going on. virtually scanned all the posts till date.
Without undermining the purpose behind this list, if we look at the traffic generated at this place and the kind of discussion going on, I feel this is not going in the direction they should have excelled by now. And the reason is only one, the way they are going on. precisly their operating model. The place is not more than a maillist. Not too many people even know about it.
and the sarai.net itself is in lot of other things. Particulary their 'About us' link says "Sarai: the New Media Initiative - a space for research, practice and conversation about the contemporary media and urban constellations."
What i am talking is a whole-sole concentrated approach towards a goal and that too without any deviation. Not only this we have some more points which can be added gradualy.
we have 2 options either we start on their portal etc. (but they might have their own reservations) or we start on our own with few more like minded people and take these guy's help, learn from their experiences.
As Mr. Raghav said rightly "I agree with Nagarjuna's email that instead of coming up with new initiatives, it might be a good idea to leverage existing ones. Personally, I see a mailing list as only one part of the answer, and for that, we can definitely use the sarai.net mailing list. I think what we need to do is to come up with a comprehensive proposal and then take it to FSF-India, sarai.net, Sarovar and any others out there to see how/where they can help. There are lots of people on those forums whose experience will prove very valuable to us."
rest sarover has been just a host for various projects. it is not relevent to what we r thinking of. yes! we can try/will to support it by hosting some of the projects there.
but one thing is for sure. whatever we will do we shall be doing it in complete harmony with FSF India.
let me know your comments.
Thanks and Regards, Puneet
Ps: I am looking forward to hear from more people on this. Please feel free to flame me if you think i am wrong at some point :)
On 5/6/05, Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 10:04:25AM -0600, Ragavan
Srinivasan wrote:
On 5/5/05, Puneet Goel
puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Puneet,
Please have a look at the link http://www.communitycode.org/
[snip...]
I was just about to post a similar message to
the list. I definitely
share the sentiments, and think this could be a
wonderful opportunity
to help spread the awareness/usage of free and
open source software in
India.
I think instead of targeting specific cities, we
may want to start
with specific communities of users. Folks
working in the computer
industry and the student community may be two we
can target for
starters.
Instead of starting a new initiative, it is better
to strengthen the
existing initiatives, such as https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc, and
sarovar.org.
Nagarjuna
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