Dear Satish,
Free Software is not Open Source Software. Access to code is not the main issue. Free License implies Ownership and Control. It is not the recipe of coke but the ownership of coke.
Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... here is an oversimplification so that you can understand.. ------------------------------------------------------ Before the concept of Private Property: No Economic Divide After the concept of Private Property: Land Owners Landless Economic Divide ------------------------------------------------------ Before the concept of Intellectual Property:- No Digital Divide After the concept of Intellectual Property: Those with Knowledge Those without Knowledge Digital Divide ------------------------------------------------------
You will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water, phrases, gestures, ideas, products etc.
General Public License transfers ownership of digital assets to the poor. To use a Marxist phrase - the means of production in the knowledge economy will be transfered to the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any digital divide intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention all other ICT is merely technology band-aid.
Please see my IIM-B presentation for more details: http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view
Thanks,
Sunil Thanks,
Sunil
===== Sunil Abraham [MAHITI] 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 5352003. Pager: 9624 279519 sunil@mahiti.org http://www.mahiti.org
Warning:- This one is a bit tongue-in-cheek!!!!
sunil wrote:
Before the concept of Private Property: No Economic Divide After the concept of Private Property: Land Owners Landless Economic Divide
Later on, the world was divided into the haves, the havenots, and the have-not-paid-for-what-you-haves.
Before the concept of Intellectual Property:- No Digital Divide After the concept of Intellectual Property: Those with Knowledge Those without Knowledge
This one is serious.
Now, with the concept of IP, as understood by WIPO, and interpreted within the past two or three decades, the statement about 'have not paid for what you haves' will start applying to the countries of world too. Already, we have the developed countries, underdeveloped countries, and broke countries.
Regards, Mahesh T. Pai.
sunil:
before we learnt to use alphabets, there were no illiterates either. so let us not have alphabest?? ________________________________ satish jha cmd, james martin & co www.jmcin.com president, digital partners india n-103, panchsheel park, new delhi - 110 017 v: 649 9384/5; 649 4384/5 f: 649 4380
----- Original Message ----- From: sunil To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com Cc: linux-india-general@lists.sourceforge.net ; fsf-friends@gnu.org.in Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to share Windows code withIndia
Dear Satish,
Free Software is not Open Source Software. Access to code is not the main issue. Free License implies Ownership and Control. It is not the recipe of coke but the ownership of coke.
Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... here is an oversimplification so that you can understand.. ------------------------------------------------------ Before the concept of Private Property: No Economic Divide After the concept of Private Property: Land Owners Landless Economic Divide ------------------------------------------------------ Before the concept of Intellectual Property:- No Digital Divide After the concept of Intellectual Property: Those with Knowledge Those without Knowledge Digital Divide ------------------------------------------------------
You will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water, phrases, gestures, ideas, products etc.
General Public License transfers ownership of digital assets to the poor. To use a Marxist phrase - the means of production in the knowledge economy will be transfered to the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any digital divide intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention all other ICT is merely technology band-aid.
Please see my IIM-B presentation for more details: http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view
Thanks,
Sunil Thanks,
Sunil
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Dear Satish,
As CMD of James Martin & Co I may be able to understand your inclination towards the present regime of "intellectual property" and "copyrights". But I cannot believe that you are naive enough not to be able to distinguish between alphabets and property. I try to explain briefly, in case I am wrong.
Alphabets are nobody's property. Nobody needs to be paid royalty to use it. Anybody can learn alphabets if they want to. Anybody can teach alphabets to anybody else, and nobody can question his(her) rights to do so. Can you claim the same about land? Can you claim the same about any copyrighted material or patent (knowledge)?
Regards V. Sasi Kumar
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 00:21, satish jha wrote:
sunil:
before we learnt to use alphabets, there were no illiterates either. so let us not have alphabest?? ________________________________ satish jha cmd, james martin & co www.jmcin.com president, digital partners india n-103, panchsheel park, new delhi - 110 017 v: 649 9384/5; 649 4384/5 f: 649 4380
----- Original Message ----- From: sunil To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com Cc: linux-india-general@lists.sourceforge.net ; fsf-friends@gnu.org.in Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to share Windows code withIndia
Dear Satish,
Free Software is not Open Source Software. Access to code is not the main issue. Free License implies Ownership and Control. It is not the recipe of coke but the ownership of coke.
Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... here is an oversimplification so that you can understand..
Before the concept of Private Property: No Economic Divide After the concept of Private Property: Land Owners Landless Economic Divide
Before the concept of Intellectual Property:- No Digital Divide After the concept of Intellectual Property: Those with Knowledge Those without Knowledge Digital Divide
You will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water, phrases, gestures, ideas, products etc.
General Public License transfers ownership of digital assets to the poor. To use a Marxist phrase - the means of production in the knowledge economy will be transfered to the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any digital divide intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention all other ICT is merely technology band-aid.
Please see my IIM-B presentation for more details: http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view
Thanks,
Sunil Thanks,
Sunil
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many thanks. i am not just the cmd of jm&co. i am also a former editor of perhaps the most soialist of all magazines in india- dinamaan that was published at a time by the times of india, also a voluntary activist and a student of philosophy or science as well and i take as much interest in my social role as in matters private and revenue generating.
the issue is not just about property rights. the issue is about progress itself. i am not responding to just one feature of the debate. it impacts all. if a hypothesis cannot stand the weakest test, how strong would it be?
greetings for the festive season and have a great new year. ________________________________ satish jha cmd, james martin & co www.jmcin.com president, digital partners india n-103, panchsheel park, new delhi - 110 017 v: 649 9384/5; 649 4384/5 f: 649 4380
----- Original Message ----- From: "V. Sasi Kumar" vsasi@vsnl.com To: fsf-friends@gnu.org.in Cc: "satish jha" sjha@vsnl.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to shareWindows code withIndia
Dear Satish,
As CMD of James Martin & Co I may be able to understand your inclination towards the present regime of "intellectual property" and "copyrights". But I cannot believe that you are naive enough not to be able to distinguish between alphabets and property. I try to explain briefly, in case I am wrong.
Alphabets are nobody's property. Nobody needs to be paid royalty to use it. Anybody can learn alphabets if they want to. Anybody can teach alphabets to anybody else, and nobody can question his(her) rights to do so. Can you claim the same about land? Can you claim the same about any copyrighted material or patent (knowledge)?
Regards V. Sasi Kumar
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 00:21, satish jha wrote:
sunil:
before we learnt to use alphabets, there were no illiterates either. so let us not have alphabest?? ________________________________ satish jha cmd, james martin & co www.jmcin.com president, digital partners india n-103, panchsheel park, new delhi - 110 017 v: 649 9384/5; 649 4384/5 f: 649 4380
----- Original Message ----- From: sunil To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com Cc: linux-india-general@lists.sourceforge.net ; fsf-friends@gnu.org.in Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to share Windows code
withIndia
Dear Satish,
Free Software is not Open Source Software. Access to code is not the
main
issue. Free License implies Ownership and Control. It is not the
recipe of
coke but the ownership of coke.
Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... here is an oversimplification so that you can understand..
Before the concept of Private Property: No Economic Divide After the concept of Private Property: Land Owners Landless Economic Divide
Before the concept of Intellectual Property:- No Digital Divide After the concept of Intellectual Property: Those with Knowledge Those without Knowledge Digital Divide
You will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water,
phrases,
gestures, ideas, products etc.
General Public License transfers ownership of digital assets to the
poor.
To use a Marxist phrase - the means of production in the knowledge
economy
will be transfered to the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any digital divide intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention
all
other ICT is merely technology band-aid.
Please see my IIM-B presentation for more details: http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view
Thanks,
Sunil Thanks,
Sunil
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sunil:
thanks much. went to the recommended site. i don't think you need ti oversimplify it. it is oversimplified in itself though it could do with a bit of editing.
having seen it, read it i am persuaded that its propounders live in a world of their own and have a right to do so. i believe that without intellectual property rights there may have been some ideas. innovation, technolgy development and progres would have taken another path altogether and it can be shown that at least in terms of economics as we know it, it would be a sub-optimal model compared to what we have known. i do not wish to debate it on this forum for a variety of reasons and would think while the debate has a place on this forum, it may not be the right place for allocating majority of its time to free software etc.
you are an infectious speaker and will always sway people your way. that will not persuade me to go along with the substance of it though.
thanks much ________________________________ satish jha cmd, james martin & co www.jmcin.com president, digital partners india n-103, panchsheel park, new delhi - 110 017 v: 649 9384/5; 649 4384/5 f: 649 4380
----- Original Message ----- From: sunil To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com Cc: linux-india-general@lists.sourceforge.net ; fsf-friends@gnu.org.in Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to share Windows code withIndia
Dear Satish,
Free Software is not Open Source Software. Access to code is not the main issue. Free License implies Ownership and Control. It is not the recipe of coke but the ownership of coke.
Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... here is an oversimplification so that you can understand.. ------------------------------------------------------ Before the concept of Private Property: No Economic Divide After the concept of Private Property: Land Owners Landless Economic Divide ------------------------------------------------------ Before the concept of Intellectual Property:- No Digital Divide After the concept of Intellectual Property: Those with Knowledge Those without Knowledge Digital Divide ------------------------------------------------------
You will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water, phrases, gestures, ideas, products etc.
General Public License transfers ownership of digital assets to the poor. To use a Marxist phrase - the means of production in the knowledge economy will be transfered to the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any digital divide intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention all other ICT is merely technology band-aid.
Please see my IIM-B presentation for more details: http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view
Thanks,
Sunil Thanks,
Sunil
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