The second national conference at Cochin was really a great experience not only in terms of number of delegates but also the variety and depth of topics… We around 50 from Bangalore participated in the conference...
I think this is again a point to think and redefine the essence of this movement in Indian reality… Cochin conference will be remembered in history not just as another conference but as a conference in which the Indian free software movement has reshaped to a mass movement… People from all walks of life participated in this conference… All the socio, technical aspects of life were discussed including the cast discrimination in knowledge community and many more topics of this kind…
The conference is definitely a reply to the mere technocrats and paper tigers reminding them about the essence of the movement...There was the real spirit of freedom in the conference... I would like to congratulate the organizers of Cochin conference... And hope they will continue with these kind of initiatives which would surely strengthen the secular democratic movements in India. I would like to mention one more thing- that is nothing but the dramas and silly stupid publicity stunt happened in the conference venue. I am not simplifying the reason which lead to some unwanted incidents... But what I am more concerned about is whether such incidents are really focusing the larger interests of our movement... The incident was something like killing our own baby... We(the free software activists in India and especially free software activists in Cochin university) organized such a great event and at the same time some activists of the same movement tried to kill the spirit of the same conference... Even if there were several small issues, everyone got enough space and voice to share their opinions... But despite of all these, creating such stupid undemocratic scenes and incidents will in no way help the growth and larger perspective of the movement in India... And we, the freesoftware activists should never allow the personal interests or egos of anyone to take higher priority than the priorities of the movement...
Thanks a lot again to the organizers of 2nd national conference...
Rakesh
2008/11/16 Rakesh രാകേഷ് rakeshklr@gmail.com:
The incident was something like killing our own baby...
That is what Novell did when they joined hand with Microsoft and betrayed the same community which it depends for its survival.
Do you support the Novell-Microsoft deal? In your opinion, what is the role of Novell in Free Software community?
We(the free software activists in India and especially free software activists in Cochin university) organized such a great event and at the same time some activists of the same movement tried to kill the spirit of the same conference... Even if there were several small issues, everyone got enough space and voice to share their opinions... But despite of all these, creating such stupid undemocratic scenes and incidents will in no way help the growth and larger perspective of the movement in India... And we, the
I hope you are referring to the way a democratic protest was silenced by the organisers.
Cheers Praveen
2008/11/17 Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com
Do you support the Novell-Microsoft deal? In your opinion, what is the role of Novell in Free Software community?
We do not support the N-M deal.
I hope you are referring to the way a democratic protest was silenced by the organisers.
The method that should have been employed is an advance notice to the organisers.. Oh wait!! The protestors were the organisers.. A request for an open forum, etc.. We too would have sat there had we known in advance. After the numerous protests we have organised you don't need to be told this.
2008/11/16 Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.com:
Do you support the Novell-Microsoft deal? In your opinion, what is the role of Novell in Free Software community?
We do not support the N-M deal.
Thanks for your support.
The method that should have been employed is an advance notice to the organisers.. Oh wait!! The protestors were the organisers.. A request for an open forum, etc.. We too would have sat there had we known in advance. After the numerous protests we have organised you don't need to be told this.
Exactly. Why was Novell's sponsorship not mentioned in the website? Why was this fact concealed from all the organizers?
Cheers Praveen
I have been for the National Conference and also know some of those involved in organising the event. It is not as simple organising such a big event as sitting comfotably and mailing. The efforts like missing the classes and going for sponsorships to different places, spending sleepless nights for postering inside the 180 acres of campus and also outside, setting up the stages, food and other things are not at all easy. Also the B.Tech students were having exams and many in midst of that spent their time in organising the event.
Many of these students apart from the philosophy behind Free Software might not be knowing whether Novel has any relation with Free Software or not. It was upto the organising committe to decide whether to keep the banner or not. First and foremost, the protestors were among the organsing committe, second the first day of the conference, I don't think anybody was blind to miss this banner and why no such demands came on the first day. Apart from giving Novel bit of publicity what did we acheive?
Such an event being organised as a National Conference and anyone trying to disrupt the event for his/her vested interests could not be left untolerated by the students who spent sleepless nights not going to their homes and in between their exams. None of these protesors did any kind of ground level work for setting up such an event and only the those who were involved in ground level work know the pains when somebody is trying to create unnecessary problems.
Again this could have been discussed in an open forum peacefully but the protestors were very adamant. Many of the people and students and those in the stall especially from other states who witnessed these were afraid. Is such a behaviour of any kind of use to the progress of Free Software Movement? Is it some personal egos or the movement which is more important for all of us ?
All these were well planned drama to disrupt the Conference and those disrupting the Conference are disrupting the progress of our Movement. Rather than supporting we should alienate such elements who could be dangerous to the Movement.
Thanks & Regards Nidhin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2008/11/16 Rakesh രാകേഷ് rakeshklr@gmail.com:
The incident was something like killing our own baby...
That is what Novell did when they joined hand with Microsoft and betrayed the same community which it depends for its survival.
Do you support the Novell-Microsoft deal? In your opinion, what is the role of Novell in Free Software community?
We(the free software activists in India and especially free software activists in
Cochin
university) organized such a great event and at the same time some activists of the same movement tried to kill the spirit of the same conference... Even if there were several small issues, everyone got
enough
space and voice to share their opinions... But despite of all these, creating such stupid undemocratic scenes and incidents will in no way
help
the growth and larger perspective of the movement in India... And we,
the
I hope you are referring to the way a democratic protest was silenced by the organisers.
Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign _______________________________________________ FSUG-Bangalore mailing list FSUG-Bangalore@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore
Hi Praveen,I think you are well aware about the dirty drama played by a group of so called free software activists(I dont think that they are free software activists just because they stood against the spirit of free software community). As all know, no body is supporting Novel. But the question is about expressing thoughts in a democratic way and for the best interest of the community. Do you think that the entire conference was organized to demotivate the free software community? Do you think that thousands of students and teachers from CUSAT who worked hard with sleepless nights were doing some conspiracy against free software community? And again, if some one is doing something better than other one for the best interest of the community, please do have atleast a little bit of courage to congratulate them instead of demotivate them...
Rakesh
2008/11/17 Nidhin Sasi nidhin.sasi@gmail.com
I have been for the National Conference and also know some
of those involved in organising the event. It is not as simple organising such a big event as sitting comfotably and mailing. The efforts like missing the classes and going for sponsorships to different places, spending sleepless nights for postering inside the 180 acres of campus and also outside, setting up the stages, food and other things are not at all easy. Also the B.Tech students were having exams and many in midst of that spent their time in organising the event.
Many of these students apart from the philosophy behind Free Software might not be knowing whether Novel has any relation with Free Software or not. It was upto the organising committe to decide whether to keep the banner or not. First and foremost, the protestors were among the organsing committe, second the first day of the conference, I don't think anybody was blind to miss this banner and why no such demands came on the first day. Apart from giving Novel bit of publicity what did we acheive?
Such an event being organised as a National Conference and anyone trying to disrupt the event for his/her vested interests could not be left untolerated by the students who spent sleepless nights not going to their homes and in between their exams. None of these protesors did any kind of ground level work for setting up such an event and only the those who were involved in ground level work know the pains when somebody is trying to create unnecessary problems.
Again this could have been discussed in an open forum peacefully but the protestors were very adamant. Many of the people and students and those in the stall especially from other states who witnessed these were afraid. Is such a behaviour of any kind of use to the progress of Free Software Movement? Is it some personal egos or the movement which is more important for all of us ?
All these were well planned drama to disrupt the Conference and those disrupting the Conference are disrupting the progress of our Movement. Rather than supporting we should alienate such elements who could be dangerous to the Movement.
Thanks & Regards Nidhin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2008/11/16 Rakesh രാകേഷ് rakeshklr@gmail.com:
The incident was something like killing our own baby...
That is what Novell did when they joined hand with Microsoft and betrayed the same community which it depends for its survival.
Do you support the Novell-Microsoft deal? In your opinion, what is the role of Novell in Free Software community?
We(the free software activists in India and especially free software activists in
Cochin
university) organized such a great event and at the same time some activists of the same movement tried to kill the spirit of the same conference... Even if there were several small issues, everyone got
enough
space and voice to share their opinions... But despite of all these, creating such stupid undemocratic scenes and incidents will in no way
help
the growth and larger perspective of the movement in India... And we,
the
I hope you are referring to the way a democratic protest was silenced by the organisers.
Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign _______________________________________________ FSUG-Bangalore mailing list FSUG-Bangalore@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore
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