Linuxers January 2003

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Re: [OT] Performance vs. "Easibility"
by Amish Mehta 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Rahul Saxena wrote: >Amish Mehta wrote: >> In my opinion, for a good programmer, with good knowledge >> on libraries available and how to use them, C program is >> much easy(, faster, etc.) to develop(with power and performance) >> than Java. > >I am not really sure of what you are saying.. because PC is JUST ONE platform. >there are plenty of others.. >and linux is written in C dosent mean everything else has to be, especially I am not sure what you are talking too! ;-). I am trying to compare C and Java, based solely on my experience. What I meant is OS, if we all use/fix GNU/Linux as OS then do we really need Java? Because Java programs are slow and my experience is that C programs can be written faster than Java. Also as far as I know, Java is written in C too. Amish. P.S. I agree many would debate, so I say its my opinion, experience and belief.

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my cdrom is giving problems?
by Pradnyesh Sawant 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

i have a samsung 52x cdrom drive, which has recently started giving me problems it used 2 work fine with my previous rhl7.1 installation.now i use rhl7.3. whenever i try 2 use the "eject" option after right clicking the cdrom icon on the desktop, the hdd is accessed for some secs, then the cdrom light glows for some secs, but the cdrom tray doesn't open. the same thing happens even if i try 2 manually eject the cdrom tray by pressing the button below the cdrom tray. i don't seem 2 understand the problem. the cdrom drive is 2 yrs old, & i haven't done ne cd drive cleaning since. is it bcoz of this? also plz throw some light as 2 how do i clean the cdrom drive. -- Pradnyesh Sawant ( The Doubtfire ) Ph: 27703060 B.E. I.T. (V.E.S.I.T.) 004, Anand Math chs, Sindhi Society, Chembur, Sec - 19, Nerul, Mumbai 400 071. Navi Mumbai 400 706. -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Performance vs. "Easibility" (was deleting oversi...)
by Tahir Hashmi 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 Manish Jethani wrote: > Tahir Hashmi wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:41:50 +0530 Manish Jethani wrote: > > > > > of C/C++'s "unspecified", "undefined" (nasal demons) and > > > "implementation-defined" things have well-defined > > > equivalents in Java. > > > > Use a compiler from just one vendor and use it for just one > > Just one vendor?!! Now you've started misguiding people, man! Do all Java compilers implement the specifications as they are? Don't specifications change with versions? Are all JVMs alike? Of course, I don't program in Java so I won't know but I heard about VJ++ and Microsoft's JVM bundled with WinXP creating some issues. And I also found this: http://pds.twi.tudelft.nl/timber/jacks.html > You're asking people to go back to their > GCC/SUNWPro/MSVC++/Borland/blah compiler kit and create > relatively unportable/unmaintainable software that ties its > users down to one OS. Yes, because that's what I'd essentially do with Java too. I'd write Java code and it ties users down to a Java Virtual Machine. BTW, I heard about something called "GNU Autotools". They are what enable GNU to provide portability to their software across a wide range of platforms, without much ado. And I won't buy the "unmaintainable" software argument since there's a lot more to maintainability than just a PL. > > My point was that they are not exclusive to Java and certainly > > available in C++. > > How about: "No! They're not available in C++." Eh? Just to remind you: Garbage Collection: Java (yes, in-built) C++ (yes, through GC libraries) OOP Support: Java (yes, in-built) C++ (yes, in-built and more complete than Java) Dynamic typing: Java (yes, in-built) C++ (yes, in-built, plus in-built static typing too) PS: Have you, by any chance, read "Thinking in Java"? Also, I didn't get this message in my mailbox so I had to pick it up from the Archives. This might break threading. -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Intel unveils new software to speed up Linux programs
by sachin rase 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

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Linux Vs Microsoft : New York Times article
by jitendra 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Dear Shabnam, Can this informative article from NYT 20/21 jan be published in TOI? Jitendra

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(no subject)
by Sameep Kaul 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

hi.. wierd question.. can anyone tell me where i can get a SUSE Linux cd iso... its not available on the net.. the only one available is the live eval..Its a pain to download the whole thing from the ftp...thanks in advance for any help... - - sam - -

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RMS who is....?
by sameer shinde 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS who is....?
by The Linuxer 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Dear Sameer, Saw your website ... it is quite good. But you have got some points terribly wrong. You have written that "Linux is an operating system originally created by Linus Torvalds" ... but that's absolute crap. The name Linux doesn't refer to the OS. It's the kernel & you might know, an OS is not complete without the different tools like compilers, editors etc. Those tools were taken from the GNU project & that's why we prefer to call the OS as GNU/Linux. There are other OSes from the GNU project with a different kernel like the GNU/Hurd. The GNU project & eventually the Free Software Foundation was founded by a God like man called Richard M. Stallman whom we lovingly refer to as RMS. It's very strange to note that you being a Linuxer & a Lugger don't know anything about RMS. HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU REFER TO THE FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION & GNU/LINUX WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT RMS ? It's really very shameful. In your website you have mentioned about the GPL & Copyleft. Have you ever wondered who devised all these wonderful concepts ? That's RMS. I really wonder whether you know anything about GNU/Linux at all 'cos you think Unix & GNU/Linux share the "same command set". This concept is totally wrong. Though GNU/Linux was conceived as a Unix clone, it has developed to be a much more sophisticated OS with MANY commands which are yet to be implemented on Unix. You are very lucky to have posted this query on an Indian LUG 'cos if it were a US or any western LUG, you would have been flamed & spammed like hell. Don't worry. We Indians seem to tolerate even the most blatant mistakes, & this one, seems to be a very trivial one. Regards, The Linuxer [B.Ghose] (You needn't be a geek to know all these things. I am only 19 year old.) N.B. Have you ever wondered who wrote the GCC compiler or the wonderful Emacs Text Editor ? My Guru RMS did. For more info on RMS visit www.gnu.org www.stallman.org And please modify your website. It's aweful. ======================================================================== Microsoft is not the answer. It's the question. No [or GNU/Linux] is the answer. http://thelinuxer.cjb.net _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Using the knoppix installer for a custom distribution
by Kapil Karekar 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi Luggers :-)) I am thinking of building a custom distribution using the knoppix installer with just the limited number of debian packages that I need. I want to distribute it to college students. At present I am reading the documentation available on the knoppix site. I want to know if anybody has done this. If yes, then what are the issues involved with doing it? Also how much time would I require to get through it? I know I will get the answers to my questions when I go through the process. But its always better to ask somebody rather than re-invent the wheel ;-) Cheers !! Kapil Karekar Libre Technologies kapil at libretech.com kapil_karekar at vsnl.net 091-022-28677305 -------------------------------------- Let's build a Free Software Economy --------------------------------------

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[Commercial] Required - one PHP/linux developer
by Sachin Rase 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Experience - one year or if only theoretical knowledge, better be damn good at his work. Job profile - PHP/Linux/mysql, admin work on a linux server, work for out of the box client-server applications Type of products to work on - Physic games, e- HR, ERP, content refinement Candidate profile - Should know his work php/linux (VB would be nice) Should be positive, with a never say die approach. Additional Notes - Our team strength is 5, as long as you know your willing to learn, we will make you one of us. Sharper than razors and quicker than lightning. Location - mumbai, Juhu Contact - 26178232, 2-6176724 Pls. Mail CV to hr(a)mediaibc.com -- Regards

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