Linuxers August 2004

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debian mirror / iso's needed
by Guntupalli Karunakar 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hi, I have been trying to create a local debian mirror ( sid ), but on slow connection hav only managed 3GB in a week. Anyone having a fat pipe to help download it , or preferably the debian iso's for sid/sarge ? Regards, Karunakar

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A User Experience
by Rony Bill 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Hello Linuxers, Please bear with the long mail. I am a new member here and my reason for joining is to get an idea of whats happenning in the Linux community especially in Mumbai. I am a hardware engineer by profession and I undertake maintainence for the SOHO segment. I learnt windows on my own since last 5 years by burning the midnight oil, but my networking knowledge is limitted to connecting machines peer to peer in windows. My first encounter with Linux was when Red Hat 8 was the current one. It loaded well on my Celeron 400 and I could configure the internet accounts and surf online using an external modem. However, the printouts in my LX 300 were never upto the same quality as in my Windows Me. The OpenOffice suite took longer to open in Linux than in Win. But the major problem was that printer could not get setup in OO so I would create docs in OO and open them in some other utility and print them. Ultimately that OS became a learning experiment than a proper day to day usable system. Now I am currently learning the RHCE 033 module and was provided a set of CDs for Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS and they loaded well on my other P4 running existing XP. But it refused to detect my internal connexant modem though it exists in the kudzu listing as a pci device even with its proper name. The modem CD has linux drivers but even after loading all of them one by one, the modem would just not respond. The driverguide site gave a driver but the 180Kb something tar.gz file finally opened a 8Kb object file which I did not know what to do. Even in this OS, the print quality in my LX 300 is very poor compared to my XP. Again, Open Office simply vomits my paper out whenever print command is given. I am not telling all this to look for solutions, but to highlight the problems that are making Big Billy have the last laugh. I use legal Windows OS in both comps. and the rest is freeware office, firewall, antivirus, anti-spyware etc. I want to promote Linux to home and small office users but with this situation, I am in a fix how this dream can materialise. Many of you here have gone through these hurdles and are now master programmers too but what about dealers and sub dealers who want to promote Linux with their normal computer experience and knowledge? They are not programmers. Take any windows OS like 98 or Me or XP, it loads like butter and even when advanced drivers are not available, it performs general functions using its own drivers. A simple task like printing a word file in Linux is a problem when the Enterprise Edition in theory is supposed to be superior and office centric. Without modems, net and email which is a basic office function is impossible. The hardware I am talking about is no unknown one but a basic Intel based PC with a normal popular internal modem of a reputed company like D Link. I must add that the Xandros Linux installed beautifully before the RHEL was loaded and Xandros detected my modem and I surfed the net but again, print quality was lacking as in all other Linux I tried. An engineer cannot be expected to spend too much time on one system, that too for simple tasks of getting a PC up and running smoothly. He has to attend atlest 4 to 5 breakdown calls daily. Through the GUI, I fiddled with a lot of settings but got no result. As a result, Linux has still to reach the SOHO user as a fullfledged alternative to Windows. They are still on Windows. Unbranded computer assemblers that use and support varying hardware, still keep away from Linux. I have a few suggestions for the developers and OS makers, 1. Have some sort of unity within the Linux community where simple things like driver support is available to everyone across Linux irrespective of freeware or paid versions. A free version that does not function properly makes no sense. The scattering of Linux flavours that have taken place should be re-channelised into one main objective and that is to provide a proper and similar, if not better alternative to Windows. Unity is strength. 2. Is there any development going on in making a Linux utility that converts windows drivers into Linux drivers as per the Linux flavour and kernel? If wine can run fullfledged Windows programs in Linux, this too should be a possibility. 3. Identify commonly used hardware that can be configured to give equaly good results in Linux too especially printers, modems. Scanners is another problem with Linux. None of the flavours I tried could setup my Canon D646u. A driver converter mentioned in point 2 could come in handy. 4. Please have some kernel intercompatibility in relation to device drivers so that drivers written for older kernels work on new ones too. I read in the recent LFY mag that internal modem drivers written for older kernels cannot work on newer ones. Linus Tarvolds could do something about this? 5. Make Linux not only developer friendly but normal hardware engineer friendly too. Those who found my mail long and boring can send in their flames although I am sorry about that. But this was my experience which I wanted to share with you. As I go on in the RHCE course, I will learn more. Best Wishes, Rony.

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[ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet
by Rohit Baisakhiya 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hello Luggers, Just downloaded and installed yoper V 2.0.Has anybody else tried yoper before.The only thing i liked very much about X/kde works very fast.Boots GUI mode very fast.The Yoper Official website states : "The "fastest out of the box" OS, YOPER Linux V series, continues its global climb with the next stable release of V2 tagged 2.1.0, a powerful OS built upon the proven speed technologies that have made its predecessors famous. Known to be a commercial strength Desktop Solution at 0 cost, this release provides the power user with many new features, encompassing REISER4 support for the root filesystem, new non-destructive NTFS resizing, graphical partitioning, option to use GRUB or LILO bootloaders, a new clustered control panel, KDE 3.3.0 Final, Linux Kernel 2.6.8.1, default Firewall and the OpenOffice.org Office Suite, all provided on 1 CD. The default "look and feel" has been enhanced and many bugfixes have been applied, including PCMCIA support during install and support for PPPoE. Hundreds of new optimised software packages have also been added by the Yoper Team. They are all available for free download via the APT/Synaptic Yoper repository. All the attributes of Linux in combination with unparalleled speed, superb security enhancements and international language support, have been integrated under one remarkable Operating System. " Rgds, Rohit Baisakhiya. http://linux.kiraninfotech.com

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet
by Pankaj 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

hi, I definitely agree with Nikhil. There has been tremendous speed improvements with my PIII machine.Till now i have been using Redhat and Fedora. BUt gentoo has impressed me a lot as it allows me to upgrade and resolves dependencies while getting the flab out of the packages.I took approx 3-days of R&D to get it working (compiling and installing and doing r&d). That was becoz of my ignorance of config files. BUt finally it worked and I am impressed with the responsive ness of applications.and i am having 3.2.2KDe and 2.6 Gnome. Cheers to GENTOO... REgds, Pankaj -----Original Message----- From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:13:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Rohit Baisakhiya wrote: > Just downloaded and installed yoper V 2.0.Has anybody else tried yoper > before.The only thing i liked very much about X/kde works very > fast.Boots GUI mode very fast. >From the Yoper FAQ: "Yoper fills the gap between the guru-only Gentoo or Linux from scratch OS's, and Linux distros used by businesses or home users, that still want the best possible desktop." Well I use Gentoo and frankly I am not a Guru. Gentoo is IMHO the "best" source-based Linux distribution. It gives you the power of installing either binary packages or source based "portages". The major advantage is that you can install portages so that you have applications that are tailor-made for your CPU: Why install i386/i586/i686 rpm's when you have Pentium 4 or Athlon XP ? Needless to say if you have a P4 or XP processor you get a speed/performance advantage. Gentoo is closest that Linux gets to the supposedly venerable FreeBSD. Do tell us your experiences with Yoper... -- The only skills I have the patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. -- Calvin -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Broadcom 440 Network Drivers for Debian
by santhosh amin 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Dear all, Has anyone come across N/w card (Broadcom 440)detection problem while installing Debian Linux.Looks like the Kernel does not have support integrated into it, any pointers for the same would be welcome. Also could someone recommend any good mailing lists or newsgroups for "Postfix" MTA. Reagrds, Santosh Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet
by Pankaj 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

hi, I had installed yoper when it's first version had come out. Well it did not work out of the box for my hardware.Maybe i didn't have any knowledge about the Xconfig files. But one thing which delighted me about it at that time was it booted very fast and could shutdown as fast as win98(incase u don't have problem of windows hanging while shutting down).Now I am trying gentoo linux. It 's a superb distro.I liked the Package Management System of gentoo i.e,Portage... Regds, Pankaj -----Original Message----- From: "Sameer Niphadkar" <spniphadkar(a)rediffmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group,Mumbai,India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: 31 Aug 2004 17:44:16 -0000 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 Rohit Baisakhiya wrot : >Hello Luggers, > >Just downloaded and instaled yoper V 2.0.Has anybody else tried yoper before.The only thing i likedery much about X/kde works very fast.Boots GUI mode very fast.The Yoper Oficial website states : > >"The "fastest out o the box" OS, YOPER Linux V series, continues its global climb with te next stable release of V2 tagged 2.1.0, a powerful OS built upon the proen speed technologies that have made its predecessors famous. 0AYoper is in the most upcoming top 10 linux distros of the world. I'm curently downloading v 2.0, thanks for your positive reviews it seems my downoading time wouln't be a waste after all. rgds <R> Sameer > >Rgds, > >Rohit Baisakhi"a. >http://linux.kiraninfotech.com > > &g;-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers 0A [1] [a?? References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.com?? -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet
by Sameer Niphadkar 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 Rohit Baisakhiya wrot= e : >Hello Luggers, > >Just downloaded and insta= lled yoper V 2.0.Has anybody else tried yoper before.The only thing i liked= very much about X/kde works very fast.Boots GUI mode very fast.The Yoper O= fficial website states : > >"The "fastest out o= f the box" OS, YOPER Linux V series, continues its global climb with t= he next stable release of V2 tagged 2.1.0, a powerful OS built upon the pro= ven speed technologies that have made its predecessors famous. = Yoper is in the most upcoming top 10 linux distros of the world. I'm cur= rently downloading v 2.0, thanks for your positive reviews it seems my down= loading time wouln't be a waste after all. rgds <= BR> Sameer > >Rgds, > >Rohit Baisakhi= ya. >http://linux.kiraninfotech.com > > &g= t;-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers = [1] [a=] References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.com=/

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Recipe for a successful GNU/Linux User Group
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Linux_PR/newlug.html Recipe for a Successful Linux User Group by Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com> 1. You need a Web page. 2. Your Web page needs a reasonable URL. 3. You need a regular meeting location. 4. You need a regular meeting time. 5. You need to avoid meeting-time conflicts. 6. You need to make sure that meetings /happen/ as advertised, without fail. 7. You need a core of several Linux enthusiasts. 8. Your core volunteers need out-of-band methods of communication. 9. You need to get on the main lists of LUGs, and keep your entries accurate. 10. You must have login access to maintain your Web pages, as needed. 11. Design your Web page to be forgiving of deferred maintenance. 12. Always include the day of the week, when you cite event dates. 13. Place time-sensitive and key information prominently near the top of your main Web page. 14. Include maps and directions to your events. 15. Emphasise on your main page that your meeting will be free of charge and open to the public (if it is). 16. You'll want to include an RSVP "mailto" hyperlink, on some events. 17. Use referral pages. 18. Make sure every page has a revision date and maintainer link. 19. Check all links, at intervals. 20. You may want to consider establishing a LUG mailing list. 21. You don't need to be in the Internet Service Provider business. 22. Don't go into any other business, either. 23. Walk the walk. It's painfully grotesque to see so-called Linux user groups mailing out announcements using MS-Outlook, Eudora, or Netscape Messenger for MS-Windows (or MacOS), or other proprietary mailers for legacy operating systems -- and visibly maintaining their Web sites using MS Front Page, Adobe Page Mill, or other junkware -- /and/ hosting their LUG mailing lists on eGroups / Yahoo Groups. Fortunately, these groups are in the minority, but they convey the message of Linux being suitable in neither desktop nor server roles. Don't volunteer to look like losers in public: As the saying goes, a LUG needs to "eat its own dog food". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha (FN) Near Convent, SALIGAO 403511 GOA India http://www.ilug-goa.tk (GNULinux Users Group Goa)

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Macromedia Dreamweaver for Linux
by Rishi 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Hi I know Google is my friend, but is there any alternative for Macromedia Dreamweaver for Linux or do I have to use Wine / CrossOverOffice? Has anyone had success with running these applications in GNU/Linux? If yes, what distro did you use and what was the hardware specs of the computer? Regards Rishi

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Compiler specific flags
by Shrikant Vishwanathan 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Hi, I am aware that there exists something called as compiler specific flags. For example, i will require that if my source code is different for different gcc versions. But i am not able trace out that information. Any idea, where can i find those. Thanks for the time. Regards, Shrikant _________________________________________________________________ Claim your Citibank Ready Cash today. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/54177.asp Its fast, easy and affordable.

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Linuxers August 2004