Linuxers December 2008

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The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Erach 14 Jan '09

14 Jan '09

please let me know (see previous mail which may not be put on the linuxusers list) 1. I have Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 from CANONICAL (ONLY security upgrades are free from 3 years). 2. How do I install virtualbox on Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 or should I say accomodate UBUNTU 8.10 ----- newer linux version --- free and legally for a 10 user organization or even say a 100 user organization ---- read the license below, i have to install it manually it appears to say ---- no sysadmin tools can be used or i have to let each USER download virtualbox binaries from sun and install it themselves. 3. now, my problem. I get virtualbox, I get Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 ------- my OLD machine no longer accepts UBUNTU LINUX 8.10. So do I install ANY LINUX which virtualbox supports ---- and then hope that virtualbox supports all the LATER versions of LINUX (including 8.10) so that I can get all the upgrades from the world on the LATER Linuxes and stick to my old tested Kubuntu 8.0.4 --------------------- and have LICENSED copies of Window running under virtualbox. I mean how much RAM will I end up using on my machine. Erach open virtualbox is there and for binaries read this chief feature for small organizations where people themselves install virtualbox ---- they have to install it THEMSELVES --- please ask sun for clarifications. What exactly do you mean by personal use and academic use in the Personal Use and Evaluation License? Personal use is when you install the product on one or more PCs yourself and you make use of it (or even your friend, sister and grandmother). It doesn't matter whether you just use it for fun or run your multi-million euro business with it. Also, if you install it on your work PC at some large company, this is still personal use. However, if you are an administrator and want to deploy it to the 500 desktops in your company, this would no longer qualify as personal use. Well, you could ask each of your 500 employees to install VirtualBox but don't you think we deserve some money in this case? We'd even assist you with any issue you might have. Use at academic institutions such as schools, colleges and universities by both teachers and students is covered. So in addition to the personal use which is always permitted, academic institutions may also choose to roll out the software in an automated way to make it available to its students and personnel.

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Linux addiction !!!
by Neelesh Gurjar 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

Linux Addiction !!! I work in NGO @ Panvel. Here I switched one department (20-25 Users) 0n Linux 3 years back. They use OpenOffice 2.2, Tally 7.2 (Linux Ver), Kmail, Firefox and Write & Font software with using Wine. Today When I ask in one department in organization that "Can we switch over to Windows? As some body is donating Licensing cost for those PCs" All users said "No, We can't work on Windows now. We need only Linux"... I got pleasant surprised by their reply. I thought that they will switch to Windows. Three years back when I was pushing these users to work on Linux. I had to explain them advantages of Linux. They faced lots of issues in their daily work. Some of them I could resolved easily, some of them took a long time, In some cases they had to change their working style. But now when they are using it for last 2.5 years without any issue, they dont want to go back to Windows. They said that they forgot how to work on Windows. .... They got addicted to Linux now..... :) People say that Linux is not user friendly and cannot be used for Desktops for general users. Now I can surely say, if management plans to use Linux in offices, users & admins work hard on it without having windows in mind then they can switch to Linux. Offcourse proffessional companies like Adobe, Corel, Font making companies should make applications for Linux. -- Regards NeeleshG LINUX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity

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Sync Nokia E50 with Acer Aspire One (Kubuntu 8.10) with USB cable and what this has to do with GPL
by Sanjay Singhvi 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

Comrades, I had asked for help on the above topic about 8 issues ago (Vol. 68, issue 47). I seem to have been drowned out in a semi-legal debate on GPL licensing. My own view is that all knowledge, and therefore all source-code (like all land and all means of production) is, in fact free. It is only the capitalist-imperialist system that makes us pay for what has been acquired by loot at some stage. Hence the only reasonable (and, therefore, ethical) response, is to take all this back by force (or guile) to the extent that one requires it to survive and to the extent that this is possible while, at the same time, fighting to change the system altogether. Hence I blatantly copied pirated copies of M$ for as long as I could. I had thought that M$ turns such a blind eye to pirating only because they don't really care about the "small" pirate. However, now I feel that it is a part of M$ strategy to kill other platforms like Linux! As long as M$ is available free of cost from pirated copies, people will not seriously turn to Linux and other platforms. M$ is backed by millions in advertising. Now with little pushes like the "Genuineadvantage" update which was automatically sent to all XP systems since the past two years or so, M$ has started gently edging the users, especially the large ones, towards paying up! I think that Linuxers must look upon this as an opportunity. We cannot, for obvious reasons, advertise like M$. We must push the new distros, with all their genuine advantages, to the people (read computer users) at large. Our methods of propaganda will, perforce have to be popular. We cannot advertise in the electronic and print media. We can, however, have free demos in schools, colleges and other places. Lists like this can be more active in providing help and alternative solutions. We can start publicising as to which corporations support Linux, like Skype and which do not, like Nokia. Which brings me to my original question. Can anyone help me to sync my Nokia E50 with my laptop (Acer Aspire One - Kubuntu 8.10) through USB? The details of my query can be found at Vol. 68, issue 47. I presume that my query was merely drowned out in the more pressing debate on intellectual property rights. I make this plea merely to remind fellow-listers that I still await a response - anxiously and eagerly. Thanks again in advance.

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OSM edits for 2008
by Kenneth Gonsalves 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

check it out: http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/openstreetmap-animation-for-2008.html -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] QT Licensing - Was--> Re: The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Prashant Verma 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

At 07:40 PM 12/31/2008, Ravindra Jaju wrote: >On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote: > > > > Perhaps we can stop discussing that particular issue (what is the Qt > > licence) now? > > > >The reason behind this thread was incorrect interpretation vis-a-vis >multiple-licensing policies. >Why should the length of the thread be a criterion for stopping a >discussion? Maybe I missed it, but did Raju claim anywhere that this thread is too long? (No sir, this is a teensy-weensy thread, so please keep adding emails to it :P ) >You have the privilege to ignore, delete or mark these mails as spam! :) When a thread annoys me, I put in a filter to mark all emails in the thread as "Read", and thus they don't stick out in my mailbox. Just thought I would share. Happy New Year. If you can, please forget about licenses for a few hours and focus on ushering in the New Year :D

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QT Licensing - Was--> Re: The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Ravindra Jaju 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Faraz Shahbazker < faraz.shahbazker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And more .. clearly contradicting: > > > http://trolltech.com/developer/faqs/192?hotspoturl=http%3A//trolltech.com/d… > > http://trolltech.com/developer/faqs/191?hotspoturl=http%3A//trolltech.com/d… > > Hi. I don't (yet) see a contradiction. Opera bought licenses from QT, hence they can produce closed-source software. The reason Opera bought license(s) was to keep their own stuff (ie - the browser) built on top of QT and other things closely guarded. The important entity to consider in this entire picture is Trolltech - they own all copyrights to the code. So, they have a model wherein they take money from someone (Opera) and give them the permission to not release the browser's code. Trolltech - the copyright owner - has _also_ given the general public which wishes to use QT under open licenses the right to do anything with QT as long as they comply with those terms. GPL v2 and v3 happen to be two such licenses Trolltech is happy to license under, to such users. Trolltech - the _owner_ - has the right to choose any license for distributing their code. _Once_ the code 'leaves their premises' under a certain license (say, GPL) - all further derivations will need to conform to that (and compatible) licenses. So, there's a 'restrictive tree' as you move down - with Trolltech at the root - as a way of 'visualizing' this. My take on the entire issue - 2 paise! Best wishes, jaju

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QT license - Was --> Re: The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Ravindra Jaju 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 5:02 PM, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: > While your contention is correct (ref your second para), that is not > what i am getting at. What i am saying is that troltech's contention > that i cannot commercially distribute gpl software is rubbish. > Trolltech is implying that i cannot sell gpl software because their > licence is gpl + restrictions. I'd really like to see where Trolltech is making such a claim. And, let me quote from their file, found in their codebase (OPENSOURCE-NOTICE.TXT) <begin> If you, your company or your organization derive commercial benefit from Trolltech's products and do not wish to release your complete source code, you are required to purchase the appropriate number of commercial licenses. <end> Nothing here which says you can NOT commercially exploit the GPL version of QT. Only if you wish to hold back the source, you need to purchase appropriate commercial licenses from QT. What's missing? Best wishes, jaju

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Can somebody tell me how to get 3 years compatibility on ALL packages of LINUX and Windows on ONE machine
by Erach 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

Hi, What do I do ? I have a machine with 786 MB of RAM. If it was Windows, I could use ALL my purchased packages on it for 3 years --- till the Windows was replaced ------------- I assume. Now, LINUX supporters say, over 3000 packages free. So, Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 is installed on my machine in MAY. Do I download (I did not) 3 DVDS of entire possible packages with that release. CANONICAL guarantees SECURITY updates for 3 years. I tried installing UBUNTU 8.10 on my system. IT did not install. Then I thought ---- let me use VIRTUALBOX. The FAQ on virtualbox license says I can manually install it on as many machines as I want. (On SUN's commercial release too), or I can let each user manually install virtualbox themselves. So what am I suppossed to do: 1. Install Virtualbox on my LINUX machine (or sorry, is it Windows machine for Windows packages). 2. Install more memory for each version of LINUX and sub-version I wish to run. 3. Tell my developers to forever keep upgrading the software to the latest version (of what may I ask). Erach

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction !!!
by debarshi.ray＠gmail.com 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

> Innovative and integrated User experience. As a developer, I still have not > come across development environment + documentation comparable to MSDN + > Visual Studio. Personally I find GNU Emacs to be a very good IDE. Otherwise did you have a look at Anjuta or KDevelop? What other development things did you look at? > I work on a C++ product that works on few platforms (Solaris, Win32/64, > Linux). Is this a GUI product. In that case Anjuta (for Gtk+) and KDevelop (for Qt) are good. For all other purposes Emacs is a good IDE, although I see hundreds of people achieve amazing results using a Vim/Shell/GDB/Valgrind/... combination, which can not really be called an IDE. :-) > Few things that Linux has innovated : > > 1. IPTABLES > 2. RaiserFS > 3. Live CD When I updated my AMD Athlon64 3200+ and VIA chipset based desktop to Fedora 10 x86_64, the kernel would crash 9 out of 10 times when I would try to boot it with a traceback indicating some problem with the driver for my Firewire PCI card. You know what, even then the boot process would recover, X would start, GDM would recover, and once I log into GNOME a nice little pop-up would come asking me that the kernel had encountered some problems and whether I would like to report this to kerneloops.org or not. Something called kexec and kdump at work behind the scenes. :-) Don't know whether other OSes have this or not, but then who cares? Cheers, Debarshi

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An appeal from Wikipedia founder, Jimmy Wales
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

Hi, A very good friend and old timer of this lug - Vihan Pandey sent this to me and some others, and he rightly thinks this should be sent to the lug-list. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Letter/en?utm_source=2008_jimmy_… == Dear Reader, Today I am going to ask you to support Wikipedia with a donation. This might sound unusual: Why does one of the world's five most popular web properties ask for financial support from its users? Wikipedia is built differently from almost every other top 50 website. We have a small number of paid staff, just twenty-three. Wikipedia content is free to use by anyone for any purpose. Our annual expenses are less than six million dollars. Wikipedia is run by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, which I founded in 2003. At its core, Wikipedia is driven by a global community of more than 150,000 volunteers - all dedicated to sharing knowledge freely. Over almost eight years, these volunteers have contributed more than 11 million articles in 265 languages. More than 275 million people come to our website every month to access information, free of charge and free of advertising. But Wikipedia is more than a website. We share a common cause: Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment. Your donation helps us in several ways. Most importantly, you will help us cover the increasing cost of managing global traffic to one of the most popular websites on the Internet. Funds also help us improve the software that runs Wikipedia -- making it easier to search, easier to read, and easier to write for. We are committed to growing the free knowledge movement world-wide, by recruiting new volunteers, and building strategic partnerships with institutions of culture and learning. Wikipedia is different. It's the largest encyclopedia in history, written by volunteers. Like a national park or a school, we don't believe advertising should have a place in Wikipedia. We want to keep it free and strong, but we need the support of thousands of people like you. I invite you to join us: Your donation will help keep Wikipedia free for the whole world. Thank you, Jimmy Wales == Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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Linuxers December 2008