Linuxers April 2003

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Linux, Immature?
by Amol Hatwar 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

Hi all, There was this link I followed from slashdot. It's a Computer Weekly article which documents Novell calling Linux as an immature OS. In case you're wondering, "Who will make it mature and industrial strength?" -- Novell will! Here's the link: http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=121012 It's hight time all of us mailed Novell telling them _it's GNU/Linux_ and it is already a mature OS. So mature that it makes software companies are strangulate their own OS projects. Or maybe we could all mail them saying that, "Geee you're right, Linux is immature. But hey! have you tried GNU/Linux... it's more powerfull than most Linuxes out-there". Tch.. tch... management speak :) Warm wishes, Amol Hatwar. ___________________________________________ It's most certainly GNU/Linux, and not Linux. Read more here: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux, Immature?
by Nikhil Karkera 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 zeeble(a)softhome.net wrote : >And what might the difference between GNU/Linux and "most >Linuxes" be? >This nomenclatural fight that seems to crop on giving proper >"recognition" to GNU+Linux rather than just Linux seems to get a >lot carried away at times. The whole purpose of the GNU project >was to allow free source sharing, as well as a whole set of >values. And not just crap hum-dum about what a particular group >thinks should be the way that Open Source must be run. But as >this GNU/Linux and Linux Oh dear. Here we go. I hope this doesn't result in another painfully long nightmarish thread. Members, please don't let it. Well atleast the subject line isn't "List going to the dogs" :) Some solace! Regards, Nikhil.

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sorry forgot to change the subject in my last mail
by Ninad Purohit 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

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Regarding internet access from PC Quest Linux 8.0
by ketan sahasrabudhe 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

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Loops 2k3 National Technical event in Fr. Agnal, Vashi
by Sameer Shinde 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

Hi All, There will be a Technical event in Fr. Agnal Engg. College, Vashi called LOOPS 2k3 from 25 - 27 of April. They are looking for some seminars & workshops for their events. If we from lug-bom, can held some seminars, I think it will help them ( & us also ) to wide spread the linux awareness. Is there Any ppl. from Fr. Agnal College who can enlighten the matter? The ppl. interested into this can cotact to Miss. Anisha Chabra & miss. Sapna Aligeti @ anichachhabra(a)hotmail.com alsapnah(a)hotmail.com Happy Linuxing, SAMEER :)

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Invitation to DOC-SHOP, 19-23 May 2003
by PUKAR Monsoon 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Dear Friends: Please circulate this announcement as widely as possible to UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS in Mumbai. To register for the PUKAR Monsoon Doc-Shop, or for more information, contact Sanjay Bhangar at 3105 0246 (mobile), 2494 5046 (residence), Shonali Sarda at 3259 5974 (mobile), or Rahul Srivastava or Shekhar Krishnan PUKAR at 2207 7779 or <mailto:monsoon@pukar.org.in>. Regards, Rahul Srivastava, Shekhar Krishnan, Shonali Sarda and Sanjay Bhangar _______ PUKAR Monsoon 2003 DOC-SHOP, 19-23 May 2003 WHAT IS A DOC-SHOP? "Doc-Shop" is a shorthand term for "documentation workshop". In a Doc-Shop, undergraduate students will discuss acts of documentation as a creative and critical exercise, and simultaneously gain hands-on experience with various old and new media technologies. WHY DOCUMENTATION? Today all of us deal with information in great abundance. The Internet is a huge archive of information with massive streams of ideas, discussions and stories flowing through its networks. This makes special demands on us as creative and critical people. Any creative and critical engagement today means also learning to deal with such enormous archives, and understanding how they are made. Participating in a Doc-Shop is one such form of engagement. Doc-Shops help us to develop our conceptual skills and make sense of archives shaped through new media and digital technologies. They equip us to document the world on our own terms. The world around us is mediated by new technologies that shape our perceptions acutely. Yet most of us do not have access to these technologies, nor are we encouraged to shape the mediated reality around us. PUKAR views documentation not simply as a passive act of recording reality, but an active, creative process that allows us to participate in the construction of reality around us. PUKAR MONSOON DOC-SHOP in MAY 2003 Between 19 and 23 May 2003, PUKAR shall be conducting the Doc-Shop, as part of PUKAR Monsoon 2003. The Doc-Shop will be a week-long series of workshops that encourage hands-on learning of technical skills and equipment, and foster a critical and intellectual engagement with the terms and practices of documentation. The Doc-Shop will be facilitated by a group of resource persons: artists, media producers, documentalists and activists. The PUKAR Monsoon 2003 theme, "On Cities, On Water" will be the main content of the Doc-Shop. The Doc-Shop is open to all undergraduate students in Mumbai, and will be held for about 20 students. The Doc-Shop will culminate in the production of a small archive of images and words and other productions which can be used in further phases of the PUKAR Monsoon 2003 from June to August 2003 (see below). Each day will consist of a morning "reading-cum-discussion" session. These will be followed by afternoon "practicals" that will enable the hands-on use of different technologies. After five days, we hope that small groups of students will form who work on specific projects -- a short video, photo-essay, radio or sound story, a piece of fiction or an essay, or any other creative form -- on the PUKAR Monsoon theme of "On Cities, On Water" (see below). The small documentary projects will be exhibited publicly in the week following the Doc-Shop, and will form the basis of future events with local and international audiences in the PUKAR Monsoon 2003. DAY 1: The Moving Image Documentary films have a complex story of relating to the modern world, and we begin our Doc-Shop by reflecting on this story. Does the movie camera capture reality as a given? Or does it shape it through the selective eye of the movie-maker? What sense do we make of the huge archive of documentaries that exist today, and how do we evaluate their contribution to our understanding of the contemporary world? Handling a digital video camera and making some samples of moving images will be an important part of the session. DAY 2: The Photograph The still photograph has its own language and potency to shape our world and photographic images reach out to us through posters, advertisements and personal photo-albums. How do they shape our relationship to knowledge, with their particular method of recording reality? How does digital technology change the story of the photograph? The use of digital cameras and actually taking photographs will enhance reflection on these issues. DAY 3: Sound-Scapes Radio and the Internet have transformed the experience of "hearing" into a specialised zone that makes sound an autonomous space to act upon, for all those interested in documentation. How does one relate to audio archives today? How do audio records produce their own version of visual culture? Learning the nuances of sound archives through digital audio recording technologies and producing audio stories will complete this session. DAY 4: Words and Writing Words and texts remain crucial components of documenting reality. A script for a film, or a caption for a photograph, is vital to structure even visual forms of archiving. How do we relate to words and writing as old and new modes of documentation? How do we use words creatively to innovate on classificatory systems and taxonomies? How do we simply become better writers and therefore better archivists, even when using new visual media? Creative writing and "naming" exercises will form part of these reflections. DAY 5: Web Art Visual and performing art forms can be seen as the most sophisticated modes of documenting the complexities and nuances of lived experience. That is why we understand the richness of past and the present by relating to all kinds of art forms. However, digital technologies have transformed many art practices in all kinds of ways. We focus on the newly emergent form of "web art" as a space that reflects on earlier artistic traditions, and links the themes of the four previous days as converging in virtual or cyber-space. If the Internet is the most obvious manifestation of the "excess" and "overload" of documentation practices, then perhaps "web art" is a competent way of taking charge -- through participation, creation and subversion of virtual space. Making your own virtual and web-based creations will be a vital part of the learning experience. About the PUKAR MONSOON Pedagogic interventions are important to a new generation of urban youth whose critical understanding of society is mainly formed in the space of undergraduate colleges, and through negotiating the world of the mass media. In a spirit of engagement with these unexplored spaces and voices, PUKAR organises the PUKAR Monsoon: a series of lectures presentations, interactive sessions and activities from May to August every year in which college students address a specific theme through a variety of creative pedagogic approaches. The first annual PUKAR Monsoon, held in July and August 2002 in eight colleges in Mumbai was "The City at Work: Livelihoods and Ways of Belonging". Reflection on the history and economics of everyday life in the city helped students cultivate a critical sensibility about the market at a pre-professional stage of their lives. In the PUKAR Monsoon 2002, we used the idea of livelihood or work as an entry point for student participation in small activities or documentation projects to examine and understand how class and cultural identities are changing in the context of globalisation in Mumbai. Three short video-clips, installations, charts and small essays were some of the output which were then collectively shared and discussed in a subsequent discussion at The Bombay Paperie in August 2002. PUKAR MONSOON 2003: "On Cities, On Water" The theme for PUKAR Monsoon 2003 is "On Cities, On Water". Water as substance and as medium has been central to urban development throughout human history. In our city, as in many other world cities, modern urban experience and "structures of feeling" are definitively connected to the city's geographical form as island, and its location on the coastline. In the context of globalisation, other dimensions of water, and of the relationship between cities and water are becoming increasingly visible and contested in the public arena -- notably, the privatisation of water resources and the infrastructural networks delivering water. One of the aims of PUKAR Monsoon 2003 is to enable young people to develop a critical understanding of these and other relationships between cities and water. We propose that these connections could be explored along four axial dimensions of water -- in relation to its role as conduit, in the promotion of concourse and commerce, and in its dimension as contaminant. PUKAR Monsoon 2003 will work to create a better understanding of the political and cultural implications of these connections among the student participants, and will also attempt to extend the dialogue with other citizens. We expect that artists, intellectuals and activists from the student community as well as from the wider public in the city and beyond will participate in different ways. Our attempt will be to facilitate dialogue and debate, encourage artistic, intellectual and creative expression, and demonstrate civic-political concerns. _____ PUKAR (Partners for Urban Knowledge Action & Research) P.O. Box 5627, Dadar, Mumbai 400014, INDIA E-Mail <mailto:secretariat@pukar.org.in> Phone +91 (022) 2207 7779, +91 98200 45529, +91 98204 04010 Web Site http://www.pukar.org.in

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Probelm accessing Internet from Linux 8.0 thru *MS Proxy*
by ketan sahasrabudhe 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

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formatted partition
by Pradnyesh Sawant 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

a very weird thing happened with me today. i changed the filesystem type of an "ext3" partition to "vfat" using "fdisk". i even booted into my windoze os, formatted the newly created partition, and can use the whole of 2.5GB. the weird thing starts now. i boot again into my gnu/linux os, and change the filesystem type in "/etc/fstab" to "vfat". when i tried to mount the partition, an error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda9, ......" was displayed. however i was able to mount the partition as "ext3" without any problems i can even copy files to that partition the funny thing is that i can access the same partition as "vfat" from windoze and as "ext3" from gnu/linux. the files that i store from windoze are not accessible from gnu/linux and vice-versa any comments are welcome :-) -- Pradnyesh Sawant(The doubtfire) B.E. I.T. (V.E.S.I.T.) spradnyesh(a)gmx.net Ph. no.:27703060 http://www.geocities.com/spradnyesh

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Off Topic: Seminar Announcement [Next ASET talk]
by nagarjun＠hbcse.tifr.res.in 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Some of you may be interested in attending the seminar Prof. Sivakumar. Nagarjuna ----- Forwarded message from ASET Forum <aset(a)tifr.res.in> ----- > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:52:25 +0530 (IST) > From: ASET Forum <aset(a)tifr.res.in> > Subject: Next ASET talk > To: Nagarjuna <nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in>, > S Ananthakrishnan <ananth(a)ncra.tifr.res.in> > > Please publicise. Thanks. > > With regards, > > B.Satyanarayana, > Coordinator, ASET Forum. > > + From: ---------------------------------------------------+ > | ASET Forum, TIFR, Colaba, Mumbai, INDIA, 400 005 | > | Tel : +91 22 2215 2971 Ext: 2928 Fax: +91 22 2215 2110 | > | Mai : aset(a)tifr.res.in Web: www.tifr.res.in/~aset | > +----------------------------------------------------------+ > > > Title : Cryptographic Protocols and Internet Security > Speaker : Prof. G. Sivakumar, Computer Science Department > Indian Institute of Technology, Mumbai > siva(a)cse.iitb.ac.in, http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~siva > Date : Friday, April 25, 2003 > Time : 1600 hours > Venue : AG-66 > Abstract: > > We will start with an overview of Internet security requirements (such as > privacy, integrty, authenticity), threats (sniffing, spoofing, denialof > services) and vulnerabilities (virus, Trojan Horse, buffer overflows). > We will then separate the three main components of security--- Data > security, System security and Transmission/Network Security and present > useful defence mechanisms used at each layer. At the heart of most defence > mechanisms are Cryptographic protocols, which are security related > interactions for reaching agreement between two or more principals, for > example for authentication and key distribution. Such protocols are > usually described by alternate transmission and receipt of (encrypted) > messages in pre-defined format and sequence between principals. We will > conclude by introducing several logics that have been proposed to model > cryptographic protocols and corresponding proof techniques used to prove > properties of the protocol such as vulnerability to attack by interception > or spoofing of messages. > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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Re: Probelm accessing Internet from Linux 8.0
by ketan sahasrabudhe 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

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