Linuxers February 2007

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DSDT and ACPI
by Rony 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Hello All, I was checking out DSDT and ACPI on the net and found that many BIOS manufacturers are giving incomplete ACPI tables for on-board hardware. http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php ACPI was meant to make hardware compatible with different OSes through a common interface. So if the tables are broken and yet everything works fine in M$ then is it because M$ gets the other incomplete half to make it fully complete? Something other distros will not get? Is that how things work and we get compatibility problems in Linux? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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GNU Flash Player (was Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Compatible Laptops)
by Praveen A 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

2007/2/22, Senthil Kumaran S <stylesen(a)gmail.com>: > > Currently I am using HP nx6325 which is a AMD Turion X2 64 bit > processor based laptop. There is some problem with installing Flash9 > plugin for firefox in this since we dont have Flash9 available for 64 > bit yet. May be you could try gnash (build the cvs version). http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ export CVS_RSH="ssh" cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gnash co gnash I use it every day and most of the flash movies work (youtube doesn't work yet, but all the basics, like the flv video codecs, are already in place and just some bugs needs to be fixed for youtube player to work). The next release will play youtube videos. Regards Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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Re:Learning Language
by Sir Stupid 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Thank you for the prompt reply, guys ! Much appreciated ! By the way, my graduation certification says something about "Chemistry" & not computers. It's just recently i started training myself for Networking. Kinda justifies my nick / id, is it not ? :-) By the way, do drop by my blog - http://0xym0r0n.wordpress.com. Let me know what ya'll feel about it. Thank you, once again !

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UBUNTU 6.10
by Mukund Deshmukh 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Hi, Is there any other method for text install of UBUNTU 6.10 CD? The graphical install (after booting) is tooooo slow and fails on my nx6310 laptop. Warm Regards, Mukund Deshmukh, Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd. 10/1 IT Park, Parsodi, Nagpur -440022 India. Web site - http://betacomp.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Steve Jobs on DRM
by Vihan Pandey 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

> > One is doing business and promoting its product. Quite natural. You'd > do the same. It doesn't matter if you think that your product confirms to > morality or whatever. Ethics MUST be exercised. No one's ever wrong. POV. then why are you still mailing? In fact then, why discuss anything at all? Btw, you left a question unanswered. which one? > i don't think two right's justify a wrong. > > POV. They might and they might not. Apparently, in your point of view > software > freedom is more important than human lives. i never said that. In fact i agreed with you on that one, IF you bothered reading. i just said don't praise Gates. Nope. You ignore the POVs. See below. If i was ignoring other's POV, i wouldn't bother replying. i'm just giving you my POV. > > > No one is entirely evil or entirely good. At least in my > > > point of view. There's good in whatever small amount, everywhere. You > > > only need the vision to spot it. I admire Hitler as well, but > certainly > > > not for the holocausts. > > > > try telling that to a Jew. > > Technically, the Jews have done quite a few `wrong' things in the past as > well. and your point is? Anyway, try telling someone helped by Gate's money that his life matters > less > than software freedom. i wouldn't have a problem telling him how Gate's gets his money. Also, try telling the xemacs developers that RMS is to be worshipped. RMS is a man like any other, only difference being he's contributed to Free Software in many ways more than anyone else has. Does that merit respect YES, does it merit worship - NO. He's very much a mortal :-) ``From my point of view the Jedi are evil!'' > > ``Well then you are lost!'' ``Becoming unreliable, Dooku has. Joined the dark side. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now." Pity. It was no use in the end. A simple POV quoted above shouted ``I need > him!!'' and the rest, as they say, is history. explain? POVs can make a difference ;) yes they can. P.S. We're talking philosophy now! YAAY! It all comes down to that at the end of the day doesn't it :-) Do quote this thread when the philosophy v/s technical superiority flame war begins. Regards, - vihan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Scilab Workshop
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

> last I heard you were programming zope Well that is not the only thing I program, if that makes any difference. > - why dont you stick to GPL'd software Why should I do so? As far as I am concerned, Zope and Python are both released under free software licenses. The GPL is not the only free software license around. Here is something for you: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html > has brought a huge amount of software to be available to the public, > which would have never happened if the FOSS movement had been left in > the hands of narrow-minded fanatics. The OSS movement started here: Is it? I do not think so; and I do not trust you. Recently I heard some people give talks. a. Dr. D.B. Phatak. Loves BSD; hates GPL. b. Someone from KreSit (forgot his name), who is close to 'a'. c. Chap from OSSRC, CDAC, Mumbai. d. Mathias Klang. Creative Commons Sweden, Lead Person 'a' started off by expressing his hatred about GPL and expressed his love for BSD. He gave a nice presentation too. The presentation was in Windows. Person 'b' spoke about the efforts of KreSit to promote Open Source, and he used MacOS, even after I personnally offered him a free alternative. Person 'c' spoke about how CDAC is championing Open Source and writing a text to speech front-end for Pine. Why not Mutt? Pine is non-free, but I am not sure about the Open Sourceness of the thing. Hence I can not say anything. Even then. Why not Mutt? GNU did not write Mutt. Person 'd' again went for his MacOS. Reason being OpenOffice.org could not render his presentation made in Powerpoint. The problem with Creative Commons is that its chief says Free Software and GPL has does not have the concept of copyright. That is nonsense. Isn't it? Hence I can no more trust someone who champions Open Source and pretends to work for software freedom. > with attendance from people like Linus Torvalds (Linux kernel), Steve > Allman (Sendmail), Guido von Rossum (Python), Eric Raymond > (Fetchmail) So what? FSF/GNU does recognise Linus Torvalds for the Linux kernel. The only problem is that he is not much bothered about sofware freedom. Did you hear the BitKeeper story? Eric Raymond has his name in GNU's Who (http://www.gnu.org/people/people.html). He has had his share of appreciation too. > Why dont they stick the GPL'd stuff? Why should they? The programs you mentioned are all Free Software. > So I suggest you guys stop persecuting scilab and concentrate on > stating some policy on what you call 'web services' - all the > proprietary software from google, yahoo et al which you are happily > using because there is no fatwa from FSF in this regard. Are you helping the drafting of GPLv3? Or are you just sitting and lecturing? Back when the GPL was written, Open Source did not even exist. Why only 'web services'? What about Tivoisation? Are the Open Source champions doing something about it? Bruce Perens publicly urged the Linux kernel hackers to embrace GPLv3, and supported Stallman's view on this on lwn.net. Bruce Perens is the chap who wrote the Open Source Definition. In that same article he also stresses the need to start talking about software freedom once again. Where is Mr. Torvalds? Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Learning Language
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

> then python is for you. You dont need to be taught python as it can > be learnt in half a day. if you are a newbie to programming, download > 'how to think like a computer scientist' and go through it. Otherwise > check out DiveIntoPython. Python Tutorial (http://docs.python.org/tut/) by Guido van Rossum If you are familiar with some programming, then the above is perfect for making it in half a day. Otherwise try the ones KG pointed out. Cheerio, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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A veiwpoint about FSF's campaign
by Roshan 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

http://blogs.gnome.org/view/ryanl/2006/12/30/0 This article *_indirectly_* speaks about the dominance of Non-Free software right from the early years of computing, and also recognizes the efforts of FSF to make users realize, that Non-Free isn't any good. Perhaps, it speaks about being "It works!" / "It should work whatsoever" approach. -- FSF-India Fellow Associate http://www.gnu.org.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Steve Jobs on DRM
by Koustubha Kale 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Quoting a bit from Steve Job's articl.. <quote> The music companies sell the vast majority of their music DRM-free, and show no signs of changing this behavior, since the overwhelming majority of their revenues depend on selling CDs which must play in CD players that support no DRM system. </quote> It seems to me that soon enough we will start getting CD players which understand DRM? Or have we already started getting them? This is something to watch out for I guess.. Regars KK ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

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internet connection through mobile in laptop
by Debasish Das 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Hi Friends, I want to connect my laptop to internet through mobile phone or data card. But the problem is that I don't have much knowledge of it. I tried to collect the informations on service providers from net. But I didn't get anything in details. What I have heared is that Tata Indicom has better offer for it. And its speed is also much better as compared to others. Before I try myself I want to get some important details on it from all of you. I am using Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy im my Dell inspiron 640m laptop. Bye

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