Linuxers September 2007

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Open Office Solution Required
by Rony 15 Sep '07

15 Sep '07

Krishnakant wrote:- dear roni, why do you tend to take comments wrongly? I did not say any thing rood. (RB) If you did not intend it then choose your words carefully to avoid mis-understandings. And don't be in a hurry to bash windows users. Take your time to compose mails. rather I am stressing on the point that you did face the problem and time and time again I did say that you faced it and that it is not true that this did not happen. you can read my previous few emails to confirm this. but the fact is that without telling or instructing any one, every one did the thing in exactly the way open office had kept it. (RB) Open office itself has kept tools in the tool bar. what it means is that only use that button for a usual task of normal sorting of data. the kind of sorting where even the colour needed to be moved was there in the menu. so sun is clearly making it appear to be different. (RB) Once cell data moves under any situation, all its contents have to move together. Segregation cannot take place with a cell's data. and I don't think that JTD said any thing extreme. you seam to fail to realise that most people using m$ software just say "oh, buggs and crashes? computer hang? all this is the part of it and we have no choice ". (RB) No they don't say that. They say "Rony, after you took over, our problems have practically disappeared and we learnt a lot from your technical description of various processes that we did blindly before". I am not exaggerating, these are real comments. so people do face daily problems and my experience matches with JTD and many others. (RB) Many problems are related to third party software. Windows is only a platform. I will even add that all those professional clients of mine who r now switched to gnu/linux, they all bless me for putting them out of all daily rubbish of windows. (RB) That's great. GLUG admins please do something about my email delivery problem. Could you check your logs to see if Yahoo is giving any errors when list mails are delivered to it? Should I switch over to Yahoo India? -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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Firefox users never watches movies!
by Riyaz Usman 15 Sep '07

15 Sep '07

It's a proven fact! In a recent research done by Indian Multiplex theaters. So they have decided to make their websites compatible only for Internet Explorer (Yeeks!). Why waste time for people who doesn't watch movies. The two best Cinemas in Hyderabad are PVR Cinemas and Prasadz Multiplex. Seems that both have worked hard to make their online ticket booking websites non-compatible with Fx. (The site only works with IE. It doesn't work with Opera, Firefox in both GNU and Windows and Epiphany and Konqueror in GNU). OK, Now that both of the sites are not working, Let me Google for other options. Found that there's a Website BookMyShow, who can do the trick. Well... Bingo! It doesn't work with Fx either. So, it's a proven fact. Firefox users doesn't watch movies. They are simply open source nerds who spends time with terminals. So, if here are some Fx users, who still watches movies in Cinemas, Please send a mail to Pradadz - prasadz(a)prasadgroup.org PVR Cinemas - feedback(a)pvrcinemas.com, support(a)pvrcinemas.com Book My Show - helpdesk(a)BookMyShow.com to have some mercy to you. -- Riyaz Usman http://riyaz.bitinc.co.in 1d:c5:fb:59:df:ec:79:88:ec:81:d9:3a:87:28:10:25

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BusinessWorld vote on ODF versus OOXML
by Venkatesh Hariharan 15 Sep '07

15 Sep '07

BusinessWorld magazine has an article on the recent standards battle at the Bureau of Indian Standards over Microsoft OOXML proposal. As you know, the OOXML proposal was rejected unanimously by the LITD15 committee formed by BIS to review OOXML. The ODF Alliance which includes FSF, Red Hat, IBM and Sun worked hard to ensure that OOXML was not approved. The reasons for this can be read at www.noooxml.org BusinessWorld is now running a vote on its web site asking readers: "Which documentation standard do you want to vote for?" The link for this article and the vote (see right hand top corner of the page) is: http://www.businessworld.in/content/view/2458/2536 I request all FOSS supporters to vote for ODF. Regards, Venky

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Open Office Solution Required
by Rony 15 Sep '07

15 Sep '07

Kiishnakant wrote: this is not to say that roni is stupid. but just to say that open office in this case implemented a feature and kept it in a place where most people are likely to search. and that is why most people got it right and could never reproduce the same effect as roni had. (RB) That was rude; Krishnakant. Watch your words. -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Open Office Solution Required
by Rony 15 Sep '07

15 Sep '07

Hello All, I have not received any mails lately but I can see them on the glug site. This is in response to Kenneth Gonsalves's mail quoted below. "I am not laughing. What exactly is a bug? When, for example, in kword I save a file in OOo format and OOo is unable to open it, is that a bug? Or is it a failure of software - just bad software? As far as I know, the approach to writing software is to first write a use case, or all possible use cases that you can think of. Then write the software. Then write tests to cover all the above use cases, and release the software when it passes the tests. There will be unusual use cases and edge cases which are not anticipated and for which tests havent been written. Failure in these cases are bugs. But no failure in the main use-case. In the case of saving in OOo format and OOo not opening it, this is not a bug. Because it is the main usecase of the particular feature. A simple test - open an OOo file, save it in OOo format and open it in OOo would have detected this, and the feature should not have been released. Yes, bugs will be there - but when a main/common use case fails - I dont think it can be called a bug and it is no laughing matter either. I havent gone into kword code to find if there are test suites, I hope there are ..." Kenneth has echoed my thoughts exactly and put it nicely in words. Having bugs in a software is possible but after more than 5 years if a software behaves as if it was a beta and released just yesterday for the first time, then this is a flaw in the software not some mistake or attitude problem of the installing person. There is nothing hilarious about a person complaining about such grave issues in the software. The cell colour problem I had highlighted was not even connected to any proprietary file formats. It happens in Open formats. M$ softwares may have more bugs, be less stable than nix based ones but when they are in the stable working mode, at least they do the job they are intended to do. And if FOSS fans feel it is below dignity to compare libre software with M$ ones, then why is it that whenever a problem is pointed out in the libre software, they start counting the bugs in M$ ones. Why can't they except that the particular software has serious flaws that need to be corrected. Free software is no longer the free blood donation camp. Today major libre software and distro development is taking place through huge sponsorship and donations and by corporate participation. The programmers are compensated for their efforts, so while the institution is giving away the software for free, the developer is not doing any charity. Then why not expect quality work instead of a 'Fix it yourself' community kit. This is in response to Krish's reply to JTD's mail and I quote... "actually the entire problem is that people don't realise the values of running a script. and by the way running a script is "nothing to do " with programming. I think clicking on next next finish etc is not a real good way of software setup." Simplifying a procedure means that one can do more work instead of wasting time running scripts. How would we feel if we got a mobile phone where instead of pressing buttons, we had to create and run scripts every time we wanted to dial a number or access the phone directory or any other function. The same process is happening in the background but the programmers have provided a beautiful interface to simply press a button. If scripting is so important, why don't we start doing all our home and office work in assembly language or machine code? This will give us better control of the hardware. It is up to the programmer to make software intuitive and easy to handle. It has no relation with scripting skills of the vendor or user. Let each one do his job properly. -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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[OT] SICP lecture video
by Mohan Nayaka 15 Sep '07

15 Sep '07

Hi all, I recall having heard at a LUG meet that one LUG member has the whole lecture set. Can someone burn me a DVD, starting with lecture 1a? http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ TIA, Mohan S N -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles

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iptables setting problem
by Agnello George 14 Sep '07

14 Sep '07

HI I have a (website ) behind my filrewall, but cannot connect to it when my firewall is on , but when i stop my fire wall ( /etc/ini.d/iptables stop ) I am able to view my website. My firewall setting is as follows from ( /etc/sysconfig/iptables) ####################################################### Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp --dport 5353 -d 223.0.0.231 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited COMMIT # Generated by webmin *mangle :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] COMMIT # Completed # Generated by webmin *nat :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] COMMIT # Completed ##################################################### What changes do i need to the above setting in order to see my website ( even if the fire wall is on ) Thanks -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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postfix : pipe daemon
by Agnello George 14 Sep '07

14 Sep '07

what does the pip daemon do ??--- from the doucument it mention that it send a request frm the queue manage to the an external command ..... what is this exteranal command. ?? -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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Firefox blocked?
by Dinesh Joshi 14 Sep '07

14 Sep '07

Hi list, take a look at this site: http://whyfirefoxisblocked.com/ ??? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[Semi-commercial][Discussion] What should Microsoft do?
by Janani Gopalakrishnan 14 Sep '07

14 Sep '07

Hi, I would like to seek your views on something... Microsoft is criticised much by the FOSS community -- one or the other aspect of it. Their software, their ways of doing business, their attitude, whatever. My belief is that whenever somebody criticises they will also have a potential solution in mind -- and I felt, why is it that the solution aspect is barely discussed wrt the Microsoft issue :-) So, I am throwing this question open to you... "Is there some aspect of Microsoft that you do not like? If so, what? And more importantly, how do you think they can correct this flaw of theirs (if you think they can)?" I would really appreciate it if you could share your views on this. Look forward to your response. ----------------------------------------- And before I end this email, some clarifications... (a) I was actually discussing this subject off-list with some FOSS veterans and users, when a friend suggest that I "get out of the acquarium" and throw the question open to the LUG mailing lists. Sensible! So, some of you might have already received my query on this off-list. Apologies for the repetition. (b) This post is not commercial because I am raising this discussion in an individual capacity. That said, it might end up commercial in the future... because if this discussion turns out very interesting, I wish to offer snippets to Linux For You for publication (with the permission of those I wish to quote, of course). (c) I am posting this query on more than only ILUG mailing list BUT I shall make sure the summary of the entire discussion reaches all the LUGs. If I offer it for publication, it will be available (licensed under creative commons) on the Open Content section of LFY's website openitis.com, so it will be available for all to see. If not, I will post a summary on the LUG mailing lists. ---------------------------------------- Cheers! Janani http://gjanani.googlepages.com

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Linuxers September 2007