Linuxers August 2008

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Linux with ASUS P5K64, Intel Q6600(?)...
by km 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

Subject: Linux with ASUS P5K64, Intel Q6600(?) Experience in buying a WS running Linux? Any problems worth knowing with mid-high-end hardware? Hi List, I have lately decided to assemble a new rig for my graphics work, and your help / suggestions are sincerely solicited. This is a long mail, so please feel free to skip and read at leisure if you may. The primary concern being that it should play well with Linux. Sadly, the ASUS' site only states Windows OS compatibility; //mentioning ASUS here because the MoBo i have rounded up on is mfd by ASUS (Link [1]). Please share if you have any experience or suggestions with the below mentioned configuration. I am really looking forward to some `good` experiences as I am really anxious to get the rig home :) Any help/suggestions/experiences (with vendors even) will be gratefully appreciated. The config: COMPONENT MAKE/MODEL NO. -------------------------------------------- MOTHERBOARD P5K64 WS PROCESSOR Core 2 Quad Q6600 (All vendors in Vashi have denied availability of Q6700 that, I believe is a better processor!) GPU NVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512 MB (denied availability of all specific makes i mentioned; ZOTAC, XFX, ASUS) :( RAM 2 X 2GB Transcend Modules (I've heard that windoze xp (32 bit) etc do not support more than 3GB of RAM; never confirmed though. But I would be most interested to learn, if there is any such limitation with 32 bit Linux distros too! I would be mostly using 32-bit platform for now) -------------------------------------------- With vendors nearby my place playing a game of chess, I really can't expect any help from them regarding OS compatibility and, for that matter, even honest hardware prices. (Will soon post a blog on my experience with vendors while going for this hardware, which was quite a saga!) So, that gives me another genuine reason to turn to the Linuxers for help. :) <OT> Going a bit OT with my experience here: In fact, the vendors have even denied availability of ASUS P5K64 WS, in which case, I might go for an ASUS P5K WS. (Link [2]) "poore India mein kahin nahi mil raha hai! I have spoken to all major distributors" (sic), as a vendor told me for MoBo, Q6700 as well as the ZOTAC graphic card. Sad! He's denied availability of any MoBo about which I have gathered detailed information, while the hardware `remains available` until I do not know the genuine price (-slot, for the Indian market, as I see it, no consistency at all!) </OT> I believe the other components (HDD, Monitor, etc), should not be a matter of any concern in this regard, however, please share any experiences if you will :) Thank you very much for your precious time reading through the long mail :) [1] http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1692&modelmen… [2] http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1691&modelmen… PS: The fact that I have had bad experience with a couple of vendors in Navi Mumbai does not, in any way, mean that I would generalize that there might not be any good vendors in the region; may be, its just that I wasn't lucky enough to find one. TIA Regards, kamal morjal

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Tata Indicom CDMA USB Modem not working with GNU/Linux
by km 11 Aug '08

11 Aug '08

Hi list, Please enlighten me if you have any experience with using the Tata Indicom USB Modem under the Plug 2 Surf scheme. I have recently taken their subscription and facing problems using it with Kubuntu 7.10 It works fine in windoze, but fails to get any data transfer in Linux. I tried connecting using wvdial and also using KPPP. The following is a copy of what i get at the terminal on running wvdialconf: $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf Editing `/etc/wvdial.conf'. Scanning your serial ports for a modem. ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. Modem Port Scan<*1>: S1 S2 S3 WvModem<*1>: Cannot get information for serial port. ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 Z -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Modem Identifier: ATI -- ERROR ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 4800: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 9600: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 19200: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 38400: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 57600: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 115200: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 230400: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Speed 460800: AT -- OK ttyACM0<*1>: Max speed is 460800; that should be safe. ttyACM0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 -- OK Found an USB modem on /dev/ttyACM0. Modem configuration written to /etc/wvdial.conf. ttyACM0<Info>: Speed 460800; init "ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0" //////// It appears that it successfully detected a USB modem and created a wvdial.conf file accordingly. But on trying to dial using "sudo wvdial", i get the following on the terminal: kamal@kMax:~$ sudo wvdial WvDial<*1>: WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.56 WvModem<*1>: Cannot get information for serial port. WvDial<*1>: Initializing modem. WvDial<*1>: Sending: ATZ WvDial Modem<*1>: ATZ WvDial Modem<*1>: OK WvDial<*1>: Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 WvDial Modem<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 WvDial Modem<*1>: OK WvDial<*1>: Modem initialized. WvDial<*1>: Sending: ATDT#777 WvDial<*1>: Waiting for carrier. WvDial Modem<*1>: ATDT#777 WvDial Modem<*1>: CONNECT WvDial<*1>: Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt. WvDial<Err>: Connected, but carrier signal lost! Retrying... WvDial<*1>: Sending: ATDT#777 WvDial<*1>: Waiting for carrier. WvDial Modem<*1>: ATDT#777 WvDial Modem<*1>: CONNECT WvDial<*1>: Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt. ... and so on and so forth.. it keeps repeating connection attempts and gives the same error "WvDial<Err>: Connected, but carrier signal lost! Retrying..." I have used wvdial for MTNL Garuda's USB modem on the same installation and it was working fine back then. Also, there was an existent wvdial.conf file with those old settings for MTNL Garuda connection until i executed "wvdialconf" again for the tata indicom USB modem. [* wvdial gave the same problem even with Ubuntu 7.04 installed on the same machine.] While when i tried connecting with KPPP on Kubuntu 7.10, it did succeed in connecting, that is, it showed me that its connected and the USB modem's indicator too indicated a connection. But i still could not surf the net (or ping any websites) Am i missing out something while configuring the connection. Could this be an issue with the DNS? The same modem is working fine for windoze on the same machine. Any help or your experiences in this regard are greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Regards kamal { LINUXERS http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers /}

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Announce: ILUG-BOM August 2008 Meet
by Dinesh Shah (દિન ેશ શાહ/द िनेश शाह) 11 Aug '08

11 Aug '08

Dear Prashant, On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Prashant Shah <elite.mumbai(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I will give talk on > > "Short introduction to GUI Programming with QT 4 (~ 1 Hr)" > > I will go first. Thanks for volunteering a talk. You are ON if the JavaScript talk does not materialize. Else, we will schedule your talk for Sep Meet. Is that OK with you? Once again thanks for volunteering. I hope others also starts coming forward to speak! With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Douglas William Jerrold - "The only athletic sport I ever mastered was backgammon."

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tata Indicom CDMA USB Modem not working with GNU/Linux [solved]
by km 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

On 7/2/08, Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 Jul 2008, kamal wrote: > > Arun Khan wrote: > > > On Wednesday 02 Jul 2008, Mehul Ved wrote: > > >> On Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:39:35AM +0530, Arun Khan wrote: > > >>> km needs to add the opendns entries *after* the connection is > > >>> established. It is being overwritten by DNS supplied by ISP but > > >>> I don't think this is root cause of his problem. > > >> > > >> As per that thread, there is an option Auto DNS, setting it off > > >> might help, as in the case of one of the people there.Thus, the > > >> /etc/resolv.conf file won't be overwritten. > > > > > > The stock Ubuntu version ignores AutoDNS setting, works in openSUSE > > > though. > > > > > > -- Arun Khan > > > > is there a way it can be worked around in Ubuntu? It worked fine with > > doze. > > > I gave you a workaround; you have not reported yet whether it works for > you or not. > > read my other post, even though there is an option to ignore ISP DNS, > the Ubuntu wvdial ignores it in and pops in the DNS servers from the > ISP (this has been my experience). > > Anyway, given that you have 2 NICs and now a Indicom connection (3 'net > connections), you basically have a "def. route" routing problem. > > -- Arun Khan > It surely was this problem. :) Thank you very much all Linuxers for all the help with this issue. I finally got things working, although I do not completely understand how :P However, I am really glad to post to the list from the `problem-machine`, of course the problem's solved @Arun: the sources you've linked to here are great help. I am trying to catch up with the basics as much as i can. :) Thanks a ton. -- Regards km

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report on the stake holders meeting
by Nagarjuna G. 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

I attended the stake holders meeting in Mumbai at the Patent's office. The room was full of people, more than 80 people attended the meet. Of which about 30 were interested in the software issue. the rest of them are interested mostly in bioinformatics, chemical processes etc. What gave me solace is that this is not an attempt to modify the law. So, status quo exists. software patents per se are not possible in India. However. what the office is doing is it prepared a draft of a Manual helping the inventors in how to apply for a patent. In that manual, there is an attempt to suggest how to exploit the 'per se' and apply for software patents in combination with hardware. Due to several questions on this issue raised by several of us, and also due to written feedback submitted by quite a few others in Delhi meet, they are organizing a stake holders meeting in Bangalore later (in the coming three to four months period) where they are going to settle all the doubts and listen all the points of view. The date of bangalore meeting is not yet announced. Meanwhile, chennai and kolkatta meetings are still going to be held before the bangalore meeting. It is a good idea to send our supporters to both these places, so that the officers must see that there is sufficient opposition to this manipulation. Nagarjuna

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Software For Kids
by Frederick Noronha [फ़र ेदरिक नोर ोनया] 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

SOFTWARE FOR KIDS: A new site focussing on what is freely available (free-beer, free-speech) for helping children learn. Specially the young ones, with a focus on India and South-Asia. Current links include * Yobler.com … educational videos * The Digital Study Hall (DSH) * ET? What's that? (An Aug 2008 conf in Bangalore) * Educational power points…. http://pppst.com/ Pete's Power Point Station. * Educational resources… from azimpremjifoundation.org * Taking sharing to the classroom (downloadable FLOSS report) * The 4000-rupee computer shows up in Goa * Why Free Software makes sense in education * Computer education for rural kids riddled with obstacles http://softwareforkids.wordpress.com -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402

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Congratulations Kartik
by Harsh Busa 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Many congratulations to Kartik for becoming a Debian Developer. Many thanks to Kartik for leading by example and sticking to the task with conviction, dedication and perseverance in a country better known for its downloads till recently. Keep up the great work. Best wishes Harsh -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Software Patents in India
by jtd 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

http://osindia.blogspot.com/2008/07/stakeholders-meeting-on-draft-patent.ht… And the usual suspects who were pressing for OOxml as a standard. Bootlicking the devil is all the rage at these places i think. http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Infy-TCS-lock-horns-with-Red-Hat-over-… -- Rgds JTD

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] USB disk as RAM
by Sameep 07 Aug '08

07 Aug '08

> My friend has a very low end computer with 128 MB RAM with Fedora 3 > running on it. Can he use a USB stick as RAM. I know that wont help > much. But people at different forums have suggested to use USB flash > drive as a SWAP partition to improve performance. Will that help to > some extent? You can ask your friend to use a light distro like Puppy or DSL.They are optimized for older / slower hardware and can work quite well even with 128 Mb RAM. Regards, Sameep

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USB disk as RAM
by Devranjan Das 07 Aug '08

07 Aug '08

Dear List My friend has a very low end computer with 128 MB RAM with Fedora 3 running on it. Can he use a USB stick as RAM. I know that wont help much. But people at different forums have suggested to use USB flash drive as a SWAP partition to improve performance. Will that help to some extent? Is there anything called USB RAM? -- Dev Ranjan Das Scientific Officer 'C' Laser and Plasma Technology Division Bhabha Atomic Research Centre Trombay, Mumbai - 400085 Phone: Office: 022-25595697 e-mail: devranjandas(a)gmail.com 513,Nilgiri, Anushaktinagar, Mumbai- 400094, Phone: 022-25572003 http://vision-2020.blogspot.com

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