Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi,
On 10/15/07, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Doc, xls, ppt, cdr, aie, dwg, max, (photoshop and its allies, can't recollect the exact extns.) Lets not start the OOo thing again. If it was so good, it would circulate like pirated software.
So by that analogy "pirated" software is equal to "good software"?
No. It means that software that's good to use and functions as expected will be used anyway.
Hah hah ... that statement and after all the hard work thatsome people with lots of time did to make sure MS formats are not made standard. I am starting to wonder why do you use any FOSS at all? Since when "piracy" is a good thing btw? And why would anybody "pirate" software that is Free and Libre in first place?
You are jumping to conclusions. See earlier point. Why are people not going for libre software, when it is absolutely free of cost? I have turned to FOSS for its ideology and have made a few adjustments to use only Linux and open formats. However I cannot push my choices on others simply because they are right. Their work must be done and to their satisfaction. Sometimes even I have to use windows for work that cannot get done in Linux.
I am convinced that you have got the foss thing completelywrong. I sincerely suggest you to leave foss for good. Please use everything that is non-foss and be happy. Why rant so much about semi usable software? Use the ones that are usable. Seriously, why bother at all?
So if anyone complains, boot him out or firewall him.
Will you consider real life examples of Govt and Pvt bodiesusing Libre software? Do you want Indian or non-indian examples? In which pvt bodies and govt institutions have moved to Linux and FOSS completely - say for Groupware, Office stuff etc?
Agreed. That's what I have said in earlier mails too, that libre software is well suited for big organisations. Small orgs need proper finished products.
To repeat my argument that I said in OOo thread - does asmall ashram in Panvel with hardly any resources count ( without much technical expertise or external paid help/services even ) ? Does a social organisation which installed KDE kiosks in many schools near Bangalore count? If I try harder, I can probably find more examples.
What about commercial organisations who are into graphics, architecture, advertising, interiors?
CSS is paid software so the software company always has the sword hanging over its head and users can criticise it, curse it, holler at
What makes you think that the FOSS software that I write [KDE PIM in this case ] doesnot get fixed when there are bugs?
Bugs part comes later. First, it should work.
I take that as an offence.
The reference was not to KDE but libre software. I like KDE. Even my family protested and got me to remove gnome and re-install KDE in the laptop.
Because I know for fact about large scale deployments of KDEPIM ( in various countries even ). I know for a fact that the enterprise branch version of KDEPIM I have contributed to ( check svn commits if you are interested ) has been included in OpenSuse 10.3 and will be there in Gutsy Gibbon. And soon Fedora will have it. And I am not making stories here. I have hard facts to prove it. But proving it to you actually demeans my contributions to KDE and KDEPIM.
Read above reply.
software product that I am involved in is not being used by thousands of people and not just random people but by people who consider their data very important and call the shots in their domains - be it govt or private institutions?
Govt. and moneyed institutions can make FOSS dance to their tune.
What makes you think that they are only with big money and not people with little or no money?
See above about the ashram. Btw yesterday the guy who issingle handledly responsible for this visited my place and told me a lot about it. He plans to finish of the rest of the migration soon even. So there you go.
Btw, he requirements are not simple even - he requiresserver setup, typsetting, special fonts, page layouting and many such things. Guess what ? Many a times things don't work as he wants - guess what he does - nopes he doesnot rant. He contacts the devels and asks them how to fix the problem, when will it be resolved and such things. And he has a day job even btw, and not a lukha who doesnot nothing useful with life and nothing better to do.
Do I guess right that the migration is from pirated software to free?
No social interaction? Define Social interaction please.FOSS users have to be content to make sacrifices as they cannot do everything that can be done on CSS platforms. It is a conscious decision one has to take before migrating to FOSS. Just yesterday, I wanted to copy some video CDs but K3B in Kubuntu 6.10 and 6.06 threw up errors that it cannot read disks with multiple tracks. Finally I had to use my Windows XP to do it using Nero. There are many such instances where one is compelled to use the Windows platform to get their work done.
Huh, what are you talking about? Is that a newdefinition for social interaction?
The social interaction was a analogy for software interaction with the outside world and its activities.