On Saturday 26 November 2011 23:07:54 Rony wrote:
On 11/25/2011 11:09 PM, jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Friday 25 November 2011 22:24:52 Rony wrote:
On 11/25/2011 11:54 AM, jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Friday 25 November 2011 11:36:30 kenneth gonsalves wrote:
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 19:21 +0530, Sameep wrote:
Don't you think that , unless the people who are taking your details and finger prints are blind , they would notice a bunch of wax strips hanging from your fingers ? Besides looking at you moisturizing your fingertips with your breath .
one thing nice about this list is the touching faith people have in the innate goodness of human beings in general and govt officials in particular.
Maybe they have not got shafted yet. Or just that they grew up being subservient and think that it is "normal business" in a democracy to be dog tagged and nose ringed.
As long as no individual however powerful is exempted and everyone is treated equally in the UID system, this system is necessary for a democracy to be healthy. If bio-metrics means dog tagging and nose ringing, why do people use it for security systems?
Because security is not identity. AND YOU do the id when you require access. It is not a random joe who pulls you up and tells you to auth. And it is for a tiny set - hence workable. And it requires re registration every few months, which is done easily by people who know you in your organisation. And you are not denied entitlement even if auth fails....
The point is that bio-metrics is a scientific biological identity
Oh really?. Show me the science that biometrics is unique across large populations. Show me the science that it is constant. Show me the tech that enables withdrawal of a compromised biometric.
Short answer science shows all of the above to be false. So get over the b grade movie science and read up some real science.
not something sub human.
It is subhuman when the servants of the people demand that you identify yourself to avail entitlements, lack of which was caused by the failure of those very servants and political processes.
You are totally confusing several different and unrelated aspects of identity and politics.
Even with all the above caveats, it barely works. Now multiply this by 1.2^9 on a daily basis and you know what you are up against. A stupid hare brained waste of public money by a marketroid hell bent on personal glorification.
With a population of more than 1 billion people, any National level scheme will be huge and expensive.
Wrong. You require all of the previous ids to obtain a new id and top of that expense you are adding the rubbish of biometrics - read previous paras.
If the current process of doing this ID is wrong then experts can suggest better alternatives to achieve the desired results.
Tighten up the process for issue of the 15 ids valid across the country. Remove ridiculous KYC norms for transactions below a certain level - for example Rs. 3lakhs PA (or whatever is the tax free limit) in case of individuals. And Rs.1lakh for businesses or whatever is the ST lower limit.
Regarding curtailment of corruption, we have a whole plethora of agencies and laws NOT DOING THEIR WORK. Straighten these out (Re lokpal). It will cost a lot lot less than treating the whole country as a bunch of crooks - a wholly feudal and despotic and abominable point of view. This view comes from a total lack of empathy and understanding of the desperation of the poor. It belies a superciliousness that defies all norms of humane behaviour. To me such prescriptions that refuse to see the inherent dangers (and there is a history of such dangers that have happenned) smacks of a fascist state.