Hello All,
The recent war of distros on our list made me wonder if the Ubuntu OS available with all desktops, like a complete selective installation just like Mandriva or Fedora? I must say Mandriva's installer is very good as it allows fine tuning devices before the installation begins. U, Ku, Edu and X makers could come together to make this complete distro.
An All-Ubuntu can be called Aubuntu.
--- Sarfaraz Kazi wrote:
On 23/05/07, Rony wrote:
An All-Ubuntu can be called Aubuntu.
[RANT]
Yeah! I can imagine Shakti Kapoor going Aaaaooooo-buntu!
He won't be using Ubuntu.
Sarfaraz, where are you these days? Employed with a firm as a RHCE engg? [/RANT]
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Sarfaraz Kazi wrote:
On 23/05/07, Rony wrote:
An All-Ubuntu can be called Aubuntu.
Yeah! I can imagine Shakti Kapoor going Aaaaooooo-buntu!
He would be a hit promoter for Linux, with some catchy slogans about no viruses, spyware etc. :)
Rony wrote:
He would be a hit promoter for Linux, with some catchy slogans about no viruses, spyware etc. :)
Aaaoo Aaaoo Aaaoo Virus se kaise chutkara paaoooo Aaaubuntu leke aaaoooo Aur chain ki saas le paaaooo!
Rony wrote:
Hello All,
The recent war of distros on our list made me wonder if the Ubuntu OS available with all desktops, like a complete selective installation just like Mandriva or Fedora? I must say Mandriva's installer is very good as it allows fine tuning devices before the installation begins. U, Ku, Edu and X makers could come together to make this complete distro.
This is contradictory to the problem ubuntu is trying to solve.. 99% of the users do NOT want to choose from 30 web-browsers, 25 email-clients, 20 IM clients etc.. they'll use whatever is given to them.
ubuntu (the default distro) *is* is desktop distro (they have a different ISO for servers) and is quite limited by itself (as intended), though you may choose apt/synaptic to customize it as per your requirements later. BTW, your proposed full-ubuntu precedes ubuntu and is called debian.
Dhawal Doshy wrote:
Rony wrote:
Dhawal Doshy wrote:
BTW, your proposed full-ubuntu precedes ubuntu and is called debian.
I have used both. Debian is not user friendly as Ubuntu. Debian is raw power. Ubuntu is tamed.
ofcourse, it was supposed to be a smart-ass comment to be taken humorously..
:)
2007/5/24, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk:
I have used both. Debian is not user friendly as Ubuntu. Debian is raw power. Ubuntu is tamed.
give some examples like things you got in ubuntu which debian was lacking (may be if you tried sarge, you might wan to try etch before commenting). I don't know what you mean by tamed, you might have meant more splashy or eye candy.
Cheers Praveen
Praveen A wrote:
2007/5/24, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk:
I have used both. Debian is not user friendly as Ubuntu. Debian is raw power. Ubuntu is tamed.
give some examples like things you got in ubuntu which debian was lacking (may be if you tried sarge, you might wan to try etch before commenting). I don't know what you mean by tamed, you might have meant more splashy or eye candy.
Ubuntu has more automated processes whereas in Debian you got to do some things manually. I have used Sarge and Etch testing. In Debian if you put in a usb pen drive, it loads it but has to be accessed in a browser by entering its path. In Ubuntu it shows a nice icon on the desktop that you can double click. There are more examples but I can't recollect them all. Debian is excellent for console. Ubuntu for GUI. I don't want to comment on Etch testing's gui. :P
Though one thing I must add that except for Sarge where it worked, I have been struggling and unable to share my printer over the network till today. I have to get files into my pen drive and paste them on the main printer machine.
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Rony wrote:
Ubuntu has more automated processes whereas in Debian you got to do some things manually. I have used Sarge and Etch testing. In Debian if you put in a usb pen drive, it loads it but has to be accessed in a browser by entering its path. In Ubuntu it shows a nice icon on the desktop that you can double click. There are more examples but I can't recollect them all. Debian is excellent for console. Ubuntu for GUI. I don't want to comment on Etch testing's gui. :P
I never used command line to mount a pendrive in Debian Etch.
On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 20:22 +0530, Rony wrote:
Ubuntu has more automated processes whereas in Debian you got to do some things manually. I have used Sarge and Etch testing. In Debian if you put in a usb pen drive, it loads it but has to be accessed in a browser by entering its path. In Ubuntu it shows a nice icon on the desktop that you can double click. There are more examples but I can't recollect them all. Debian is excellent for console. Ubuntu for GUI. I don't want to comment on Etch testing's gui. :P
Well, yes, Ubuntu is meant for the end-user. As many people dont realize, moving to the Linux environment for an average joe is akin to performing a "brain transplant" simply because its different. Its not less user friendly but simply different. Ubuntu has a lot of "enhancements" which are pretty for the end user :) So, its not wise to compare Debian and Ubuntu. They're right in their own place :P
As for me, I've found Debian pretty user friendly. The Debian community rocks. But one thing that I've disliked is that Debian doesn't have the latest drivers. Yes, you can install them but thats not half as good as having them in there by default. Fedora has worked pretty much out of the box for me till now. But then its got its own bugs! :P ( Hated FC3/4 ) :P
Though one thing I must add that except for Sarge where it worked, I have been struggling and unable to share my printer over the network till today. I have to get files into my pen drive and paste them on the main printer machine.
I've found Debian as an excellent server distro. I still remember when I setup my Pentium MMX machine, it was the only distro which ran well enough and turned it into a pretty server :) I was happy with it till my hardware broke down :(
Anyway...i'm sure you must've tried posting your problem to this list. Where is that machine located? Your home / office? Maybe one of the Debian gurus in this list could take some time out and look at the problem? If not, I'll be free after the 9th of June. Why not take a look at it together? It may help.
PM me off list if you wanna fix up a date ;)
On Fri, 25 May 2007 00:01:12 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com said:
As for me, I've found Debian pretty user friendly. The Debian community rocks. But one thing that I've disliked is that Debian doesn't have the latest drivers.
If you run Sid, you get the kernel images within a day or two of them being released upstream. That seems pretty quick for the latest drivers.
If you are talking about non-free drivers, then yes, I suppose other distributions are better.
I've found Debian as an excellent server distro.
I have not found anything better for my development machines, or for my laptop, so far.
manoj
On 5/24/07, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Ubuntu has more automated processes whereas in Debian you got to do some things manually. I have used Sarge and Etch testing. In Debian if you put in a usb pen drive, it loads it but has to be accessed in a browser by entering its path. In Ubuntu it shows a nice icon on the desktop that you can double click. There are more examples but I can't recollect them
I beg to differ on this. I'm using Debian and my Sony Ericsson phone is automatically detected and even the pretty icon appears on the desktop. Don't know what you've done differently. Might I add that I've made a conscious effort in the past 2 years not to touch config files for stuff I believe should Just Work, so all credit to the Debian team for this.
The auto-mounting and the pretty icon are thanks to HAL and Debians had it since quite some time now.
all. Debian is excellent for console. Ubuntu for GUI. I don't want to comment on Etch testing's gui. :P
Do I need to add some pretty screenshots of my Etch GUI to convince you otherwise? Or perhaps you mean that the default UI (theme, wallpaper, etc) are not cool enough, is it?
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:22:56 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
Ubuntu has more automated processes whereas in Debian you got to do some things manually. I have used Sarge and Etch testing. In Debian if you put in a usb pen drive, it loads it but has to be accessed in a browser by entering its path.
I think there is a default udev rule that mounts a USB drive, yes.
In Ubuntu it shows a nice icon on the desktop that you can double click.
I think that is also a Gnome/KDE default (I don't run either, so I can't say). As far as I know, dbus + hal are working in Etch; if not, a bug report should be sent in.
There are more examples but I can't recollect them all. Debian is excellent for console. Ubuntu for GUI.
I almost never use the console when running Debian, and so far, I find Debian quite excellent in a graphical mode.
Though one thing I must add that except for Sarge where it worked, I have been struggling and unable to share my printer over the network till today. I have to get files into my pen drive and paste them on the main printer machine.
What are the details of the network printer? For me, I either use the ipp address or set things up as remote ldp's using cups.
manoj
On Thursday 24 May 2007 20:22, Rony wrote:
Ubuntu has more automated processes whereas in Debian you got to do some things manually. I have used Sarge and Etch testing. In Debian if you put in a usb pen drive, it loads it but has to be accessed in a browser by entering its path. In Ubuntu it shows a nice icon on the desktop that you can double click.
Control Center - Desktop - Behavior - Device Icons Select all the devices u want displayed on your desktop. The device (incase of mountable media) must be listed in /etc/fstab. Simple - for the first few days. after that it gets in the way like everything else that is simple -gui's, icons, click-this-and-that.
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:52:36 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
Dhawal Doshy wrote:
BTW, your proposed full-ubuntu precedes ubuntu and is called debian.
I have used both. Debian is not user friendly as Ubuntu. Debian is raw power. Ubuntu is tamed.
While I understand that is the stereotype (Debian is unfriendly!), do you happen to have concrete example where Debian is lacking (apart from offering more choices to the user)?
If such lacunae are reported, perhaps the next release are Debian might turn out to be better.
manoj
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:52:36 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
Dhawal Doshy wrote:
BTW, your proposed full-ubuntu precedes ubuntu and is called debian.
I have used both. Debian is not user friendly as Ubuntu. Debian is raw power. Ubuntu is tamed.
While I understand that is the stereotype (Debian isunfriendly!), do you happen to have concrete example where Debian is lacking (apart from offering more choices to the user)?
If such lacunae are reported, perhaps the next release areDebian might turn out to be better.
I slightly differ on this.. why doesn't debian (being the upstream provider for ubuntu) take feedback from the ubuntu community as well? Redhat does this for fedora/centos/scientific.. they even invited centos developers to collaborate on EPEL (though things are still being worked out).
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:28:33 +0530, Dhawal Doshy dhawal@netmagicsolutions.com said:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:52:36 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
Dhawal Doshy wrote:
BTW, your proposed full-ubuntu precedes ubuntu and is called debian.
I have used both. Debian is not user friendly as Ubuntu. Debian is raw power. Ubuntu is tamed.
While I understand that is the stereotype (Debian is unfriendly!), do you happen to have concrete example where Debian is lacking (apart from offering more choices to the user)?
If such lacunae are reported, perhaps the next release are Debian might turn out to be better.
I slightly differ on this.. why doesn't debian (being the upstream provider for ubuntu) take feedback from the ubuntu community as well?
I don't recall prohibiting Ubuntu users from reporting flaws in Debian. In my experience, though, the so called feedback to Debian from Ubuntu is far more lip service than reality.
manoj
On 5/23/07, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
it allows fine tuning devices before the installation begins. U, Ku, Edu
and X makers could come together to make this complete distro.
An All-Ubuntu can be called Aubuntu.
you can make your own CD, It's easy, just install ubuntu and then use synaptic to install whatever you want... i.e. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Edubuntu and even ubuntustudio and then use APTonCD to make the cache CD which can be used later.
(रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
On 5/23/07, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
it allows fine tuning devices before the installation begins. U, Ku, Edu
and X makers could come together to make this complete distro.
An All-Ubuntu can be called Aubuntu.
you can make your own CD, It's easy, just install ubuntu and then use synaptic to install whatever you want... i.e. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Edubuntu and even ubuntustudio and then use APTonCD to make the cache CD which can be used later.
I have found differences in hardware detection in Ubuntu and Kubuntu. Some machines don't load Ubuntu but easily load Kubuntu. So an all-in-one distro could solve this problem and make it compatible to all machines with lots of choices available to the user.
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