hello all, off late I am finding that good listers who keep on posting interesting material including links are being constantly bashed and discouraged. I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister. look, keep your personal "dis interests " to your self. I remember including myself, many have problems with broadcom devices. recently I had raised an issue about the latest kernel updates that pleasingly surprised me. after this roni sent a link or 2 about the same information so that people on this list facing similar problems could benifit. I think this list is very much for sharing knowledge about gnu/linux and roni did not send any non-interesting stuff just because the flaimer feels so. I believe such kind of responses sends a bad signal to those who like to help others. I found the links very useful and may be others facing similar problems will find them useful too. roni, keep up the good work of sharing knowledge. regards, Krishnakant.
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
i think that issue was regarding the fact that everyone knows what Wikipedia is and also know how to get there and do not need to be repeatedly reminded of the same.
Regards,
- vihan
On 6/5/07, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
i think that issue was regarding the fact that everyone knows what Wikipedia is and also know how to get there and do not need to be repeatedly reminded of the same.
Those of us who have the information-seeking bug have known about wikipedia (and sometimes contributed to it too) since long. However, and surprisingly, I have come across many professionally qualified people who only realized when somebody told them there was an online resource of such nature. They were amazed, and overjoyed. If somebody hadn't hit them with a cluebat, they would still be groping around.
We should therefore not base our judgment on our own experience, but accept other situations and views too. That is the F/OSS way.
In fora such as this one, we get repeated questions about the same thing over and over again, and keep on replying to them ad nauseam. People board the same train from different stations and ask for directions. Do we tell them off just because we gave directions to somebody else in March on the [FOO] thread?
Hell, if I had just to RTFM every time I needed help, I wouldn't even be online today. Different people have different abilities and awareness levels, and if we have a more positive attitude, we can attract and retain outsiders to what we consider is a noble cause.
So much for arguments.
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 15:31 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote:
Those of us who have the information-seeking bug have known about wikipedia (and sometimes contributed to it too) since long. However, and surprisingly, I have come across many professionally qualified people who only realized when somebody told them there was an online resource of such nature. They were amazed, and overjoyed. If somebody hadn't hit them with a cluebat, they would still be groping around.
We should therefore not base our judgment on our own experience, but accept other situations and views too. That is the F/OSS way.
In fora such as this one, we get repeated questions about the same thing over and over again, and keep on replying to them ad nauseam. People board the same train from different stations and ask for directions. Do we tell them off just because we gave directions to somebody else in March on the [FOO] thread?
Hell, if I had just to RTFM every time I needed help, I wouldn't even be online today. Different people have different abilities and awareness levels, and if we have a more positive attitude, we can attract and retain outsiders to what we consider is a noble cause.
So much for arguments.
*bravo*
couldn't have worded it better myself :)
I would like to add, what old timers don't realize is that, they too were once n00bs. Ok, so Rony doesn't know about wikipedia, he posts some links. Hes excited about it because hes _new_ to it. Big deal. You dont like it, move on. Don't read those posts. How much time does it take?
But no. What do we have here? A hijacked thread + a new one discussing the potential pit falls of 1 person posting wikipedia links.
Vihan Pandey wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
i think that issue was regarding the fact that everyone knows what Wikipedia is and also know how to get there and do not need to be repeatedly reminded of the same.
Hi Vihan, I would like to differ on that. I don't know how to go to wikipedia. I get the links from ask.com or google. :)
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krishnakant Mane wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
You know that there is a social solution to this :) Rony creates a del.icio.us account and makes a one time post about its presence and others who find his mails interesting add themselves to his network and if found useful his feed can be linked from the wiki. The idea is not mine though (Anant propounded it on #linux-india and I guess iLUG-Cal does the same)
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You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
On 05-Jun-07, at 3:11 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
You know that there is a social solution to this :) Rony creates a del.icio.us account and makes a one time post about its presence and others who find his mails interesting add themselves to his network and if found useful his feed can be linked from the wiki. The idea is not mine though (Anant propounded it on #linux-india and I guess iLUG-Cal does the same)
i dont agree - one more place to go. As i have already said that I only object to the needless posting of wikipedia links - otherwise he is a valuable contributor
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Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
i dont agree - one more place to go.
Place to go if you want to go (operative word being want) else using del.icio.us or something similar won't be bad - at least the links get archived and shared rather than only mail archived
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Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
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krishnakant Mane wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
You know that there is a social solution to this :) Rony creates a del.icio.us account and makes a one time post about its presence and others who find his mails interesting add themselves to his network and if found useful his feed can be linked from the wiki. The idea is not mine though (Anant propounded it on #linux-india and I guess iLUG-Cal does the same)
I am not interested in creating any new accounts anywhere and do any email sharing. If GLUG list admin says I must not post links, even those related to Linux, I will not post them any more.
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Rony wrote:
I am not interested in creating any new accounts anywhere and do any email sharing. If GLUG list admin says I must not post links, even those related to Linux, I will not post them any more.
Sure - that works fine too, although the mail archive searching is a bit tedious :)
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You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
SM dropped bits saying:
Sure - that works fine too, although the mail archive searching is a bit tedious :)
how so? apart from the standard problems of mm.glug-bom.org not being always accessible via the web, the search interface works fairly well:
http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/search/linuxers
Philip
PT dropped bits saying:
hmm, looks like the index hasn't been updated since the last week of April. Anurag, can you check and see if the indexer cron is still running. It should run every Wednesday at around 2am or something.
Philip Tellis wrote:
SM dropped bits saying:
Sure - that works fine too, although the mail archive searching is a bit tedious :)
how so? apart from the standard problems of mm.glug-bom.org not being always accessible via the web, the search interface works fairly well:
just fyi, none of these seem to work for me: ilug-bom.org.in <== Some 502 proxy error for a GET request www.glug-bom.org <== no response www.ilug-bom.org.in <== no response glug-bom.org <== no response
All 'A' records point to 158.144.1.20
'mm' works as expected, while 'db' does a directory listing.
Quoting Dhawal Doshy dhawal@netmagicsolutions.com:
just fyi, none of these seem to work for me: ilug-bom.org.in <== Some 502 proxy error for a GET request www.glug-bom.org <== no response www.ilug-bom.org.in <== no response glug-bom.org <== no response
The Zope process decided to go sleep. Now its working :)
Anurag
Anurag wrote:
Quoting Dhawal Doshy dhawal@netmagicsolutions.com:
just fyi, none of these seem to work for me: ilug-bom.org.in <== Some 502 proxy error for a GET request www.glug-bom.org <== no response www.ilug-bom.org.in <== no response glug-bom.org <== no response
The Zope process decided to go sleep. Now its working :)
aptly zope zopla :-D
ilug-bom.org.in <== This continues as a 502 proxy error. db.glug-bom.org <== Directory listing continues (unless thats the intended behaviour)
DD dropped bits saying:
db.glug-bom.org <== Directory listing continues (unless thats the intended behaviour)
That is the intended behaviour.
Quoting Dhawal Doshy dhawal@netmagicsolutions.com:
ilug-bom.org.in <== This continues as a 502 proxy error.
thanks for pointing out. it should give a 302 now :)
db.glug-bom.org <== Directory listing continues (unless thats the intended behaviour)
yes, that is intended behaviour. directory listing looks good for the content in there.
Anurag
Rony wrote:
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
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krishnakant Mane wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
You know that there is a social solution to this :) Rony creates a del.icio.us account and makes a one time post about its presence and others who find his mails interesting add themselves to his network and if found useful his feed can be linked from the wiki. The idea is not mine though (Anant propounded it on #linux-india and I guess iLUG-Cal does the same)
I am not interested in creating any new accounts anywhere and do any email sharing. If GLUG list admin says I must not post links, even those related to Linux, I will not post them any more.
simply create a page on the i(g)lug-bom wiki posting/updating your links there if people are getting offended and you want to play nice (offer the page as a part of your sig) OR continue posting and annoy the hell out of some people ;-)
The rest can get over with this thread and move to some other thread.. the "POSIX" and "xemacs" ones seems to be hotting up and are just ripe for picking.
krishnakant Mane wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
If you will care to read the email again, you will notice that it was merely a suggestion. Please don't attempt to convert it to "bashing" and/or "flaming". Rony may continue to post his interesting links to the list, I have my filters in place.
Regards, -- Anant
On 05-Jun-07, at 2:34 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote:
I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister. look, keep your personal "dis interests " to your self. I remember including myself, many have problems with broadcom devices. recently I had raised an issue about the latest kernel updates that pleasingly surprised me. after this roni sent a link or 2 about the same information so that people on this list facing similar problems could benifit.
i only objected to his giving wikipedia links - and the reason why i objected was that he gives a lot of good links and ideas otherwise and so i didnt want to filter out his mails:
rony - wikipedia == rocks
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