My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head.
This statement comes as a surprise from you. Why is everybody expected to know about gnu or freedom (software) when everyone is not from the computer software field and has switched over from windows to linux as an operating system only. Ideologies take time to get induced and spread.
Hehehehe... Arey I have seen Computer Science & Engineering majors and their teachers make such 'mistakes' or even graver ones. People of this category often talk about GCC, GNOME, GRUB, BASH, blah blah... without ever realising that GNU does have something to do with it. I have a guy who keeps chasing me to fix some issue with his GRUB, but I bet he has no idea about the GPL or RMS.
Talking about the common man, many of them are quite familiar about Linux, but no inkling about GNU. They think Linus Torvalds is this amazing programmer, and I would not be suprised if they said "Hacker to Ankit Fadia hai bhai, yeh Richard Stallman koun hai?"
This is sick, because if it was not for the GNU and its GPL then even the Linux kernel would not have here as it is today.
Regards, Debarshi
On 8/16/06, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray debarshi.ray@gmail.com wrote:
My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head.
This statement comes as a surprise from you. Why is everybody expected to know about gnu or freedom (software) when everyone is not from the computer software field and has switched over from windows to linux as an operating system only. Ideologies take time to get induced and spread.
Hehehehe... Arey I have seen Computer Science & Engineering majors and their teachers make such 'mistakes' or even graver ones. People of this category often talk about GCC, GNOME, GRUB, BASH, blah blah... without ever realising that GNU does have something to do with it. I have a guy who keeps chasing me to fix some issue with his GRUB, but I bet he has no idea about the GPL or RMS.
Talking about the common man, many of them are quite familiar about Linux, but no inkling about GNU. They think Linus Torvalds is this amazing programmer, and I would not be suprised if they said "Hacker to Ankit Fadia hai bhai, yeh Richard Stallman koun hai?"
This is sick, because if it was not for the GNU and its GPL then even the Linux kernel would not have here as it is today.
Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?"
-Jean Kerr
I remember being part of this list once and I unsubscribed because of non-sense people like Debarshi.
After all this bull-shit in this thread, I am again going off the list. This list just talks about the politics. Grow up Debarshi et al.
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 10:32 am, Manu Garg wrote:
I remember being part of this list once and I unsubscribed because of non-sense people like Debarshi.
After all this bull-shit in this thread, I am again going off the list. This list just talks about the politics. Grow up Debarshi et al.
This is the real world - full of politics that prevent libre software from doing the things neccessary to move computing from hogwash to really doing work. U can go back to your cubby hole and wait...or start a GNU project and comeback when u hit the M$ wall.
On 16/08/06 10:32 +0530, Manu Garg wrote: <snip>
I remember being part of this list once and I unsubscribed because of non-sense people like Debarshi.
GNU *is* a political statement. A statement made using electrons and technology, but still a political statement.
Devdas Bhagat
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 03:21, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote:
Hehehehe... Arey I have seen Computer Science & Engineering majors and their teachers make such 'mistakes' or even graver ones. People of this category often talk about GCC, GNOME, GRUB, BASH, blah blah... without ever realising that GNU does have something to do with it. I have a guy who keeps chasing me to fix some issue with his GRUB, but I bet he has no idea about the GPL or RMS.
Talking about the common man, many of them are quite familiar about Linux, but no inkling about GNU. They think Linus Torvalds is this amazing programmer, and I would not be suprised if they said "Hacker to Ankit Fadia hai bhai, yeh Richard Stallman koun hai?"
This is sick, because if it was not for the GNU and its GPL then even the Linux kernel would not have here as it is today.
I agree. Many people just think the kernel is great. Nobody ever stops to think twice about the shell which makes it possible for you to tell the kernel what you want to do :P.
Its funny that even Linus Torvalds wants the OS to be called simply Linux and not GNU/Linux. I agree with him only to a certain extent but then its a controversial subject so lets just keep off it.
And puhleeezz dont get me started about Ankit Fadia. Hes a big hoax. Hes nothing but a script kiddie who has just gathered cracks from websites and compiled them into a book.
BTW wasn't GPL modelled on the Debian Free Software Guidelines? or was it the social contract? Whatever it was, you should give due credit to Debian! :)
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 04:40 pm, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
I agree. Many people just think the kernel is great. Nobody ever stops to think twice about the shell which makes it possible for you to tell the kernel what you want to do :P.
No gcc. No kenel, no bash, no tcptools, no anything.
BTW wasn't GPL modelled on the Debian Free Software Guidelines?
No
or was it the social contract? Whatever it was, you should give due credit to Debian! :)
social contract. One of the few distros that focusses on thefreedom aspect.
2006/8/16, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com:
BTW wasn't GPL modelled on the Debian Free Software Guidelines? or was it the social contract? Whatever it was, you should give due credit to Debian! :)
Open Source Definition is based on Debian Free Software Guidelines. Both written by Bruce Perens
On 16/08/06 11:10 +0000, Dinesh Joshi wrote: <snip>
BTW wasn't GPL modelled on the Debian Free Software Guidelines? or was it the social contract? Whatever it was, you should give due credit to Debian! :)
The other way round. The GNU project predates Linux by a few years, and Debian by about a decade, if my memory serves me correctly about the timelines involved.
Devdas Bhagat