Hi AA.
Don't worry too much about certifications. You should be looking to gain knowledge and expertise. Look for an expert who can teach you linux in a very lucid way. Install linux at home an experiment on it. That IMHO is the best way.
I do agree with this. However, there is one thing I would like to ask. Do these certifications have content that build up a strong foundation for the candidate who opts for a such a ceritification? For example, if Mr. X knows addition of two numbers then a. He can add five numbers by adding two at a time (i.e. 1+2+3+4+5 will be added as (1+2)-> (3+3) -> (6+4)... b. He can subtract numbers i.e. (add a postive and a negative number 3 + (-8) ) etc. etc.
If they do, then won't they be more valuable?
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On Wednesday 04 October 2006 15:31, Roshan wrote:
Hi AA.
Don't worry too much about certifications. You should be looking to gain knowledge and expertise. Look for an expert who can teach you linux in a very lucid way. Install linux at home an experiment on it. That IMHO is the best way.
I do agree with this. However, there is one thing I would like to ask. Do these certifications have content that build up a strong foundation for the candidate who opts for a such a ceritification?
I seriously doubt this based on cursory querying of two persons undergoing training. There is no understanding of the underlying process. Just rote info about RHisms. When presented with a debain machine they were all at sea. Let see if they pass and then check once again. More important they are completely clueless about the gpl, free software philosphy etc. which would make them another brand of serfs. Perhaps i am being too pessimistic
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 18:13, jtd wrote:
process. Just rote info about RHisms. When presented with a debain machine they were all at sea. Let see if they pass and then check
That is definitely bad.
once again. More important they are completely clueless about the gpl, free software philosphy etc. which would make them another brand of serfs.
What has GPL and FS philosophy got to do with everyday admining of servers? Point being they are people who are supposed to know everything about one particular distro. If a company wants debian admins, they get someone who is trained on Debian. Isnt that the whole way FOSS / Linux works? Build extremely efficient tools to do ONE specific task perfectly and not ONE tool to do all possible tasks under the sun :P
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 22:21, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 18:13, jtd wrote:
process. Just rote info about RHisms. When presented with a debain machine they were all at sea. Let see if they pass and then check
That is definitely bad.
once again. More important they are completely clueless about the gpl, free software philosphy etc. which would make them another brand of serfs.
What has GPL and FS philosophy got to do with everyday admining of servers? Point being they are people who are supposed to know everything about one particular distro.
If u know about those 2 u know about the danger of prop. software, distro specific mangles, standards etc. All of which has got more to do with admining your IT setup than knowing where some config file is saved. In this case while the certification may suit RH, it's definetly short changing the one being certified. And IMO RH is playing the same game that the prop. companies are playing.
If a company wants debian admins, they get someone who is trained on Debian. Isnt that the whole way FOSS / Linux works? Build extremely efficient tools to do ONE specific task perfectly and not ONE tool to do all possible tasks under the sun :P
And that is specifically what u dont want - a xyz specific admin. A person is NOT a tool. U wind up with all sorts of problems trying to model them as tools. If u want a tool use a pc.
jtd wrote:
I seriously doubt this based on cursory querying of two persons undergoing training. There is no understanding of the underlying process. Just rote info about RHisms.
True but in that process, through 3 modules, they learn a lot about linux. And in my institute, command line was strictly adhered to. The first 2 modules of RHCE are very knowledge giving.
When presented with a debain machine they were all at sea.
True again because the RH course does not cover installing tar.gz packages using ./configure, make, make install. It does not cover compiling. Otherwise, it is only the file locations that are different and it should not take long for an RHCE to figure his way out.
Let see if they pass and then check once again. More important they are completely clueless about the gpl, free software philosphy etc. which would make them another brand of serfs.
That has no connection with expertise in an OS.
I would like to add from my limited experience that the best way to learn linux is not just installing and experimenting with it but to use it in daily life. Make a switch to linux and start doing everything in linux. Use command line as much as possible for setups and file transfers. If money permits, have a second or secondhand machine and use it as a server for your routine work. Administer that server through ssh only. Use debian based as well as rpm based distros to widen experience.
Regards,
Rony.
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On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 23:28 +0530, Rony wrote:
transfers. If money permits, have a second or secondhand machine and use it as a server for your routine work. Administer that server through
Or install more RAM and bigger HDD in the system and use xen/VMware virtual machines.
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