Hi,
I am writing an article for FOSS Guru on the FOSS events that are going on in India. I know of the following events:
1. FOSS.IN http://www.foss.in 2. Open Source India http://www.osidays.com 3. Freed.in http://www.freed.in 4. FOSSKriti http://www.techkriti.org/fosskriti/ 5. GNUnify http://www.gnunify.in 6. FOSSMeet http://www.fossmeet.in/
If u know of more events please write back.
Regards, Naveen Dhanuka
On 2 June 2010 17:18, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
1. FOSS.IN http://www.foss.in 2. Open Source India http://www.osidays.com 3. Freed.in http://www.freed.in 4. FOSSKriti http://www.techkriti.org/fosskriti/ 5. GNUnify http://www.gnunify.in 6. FOSSMeet http://www.fossmeet.in/
7. FOSSCONF - www.fossconf.in
Regards, Pavithran
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:26 PM, pavithran s pavi.eu@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 June 2010 17:18, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
- FOSS.IN http://www.foss.in
- Open Source India http://www.osidays.com
- Freed.in http://www.freed.in
- FOSSKriti http://www.techkriti.org/fosskriti/
- GNUnify http://www.gnunify.in
- FOSSMeet http://www.fossmeet.in/
- FOSSCONF - www.fossconf.in
8. Mukti ( conducted by NIT-Durgapur) www.mkti.in
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
I am writing an article for FOSS Guru on the FOSS events that are going on in India.
On Wednesday 02 June 2010 17:18:33 Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
- FOSS.IN http://www.foss.in
- Open Source India http://www.osidays.com
- Freed.in http://www.freed.in
- FOSSKriti http://www.techkriti.org/fosskriti/
- GNUnify http://www.gnunify.in
- FOSSMeet http://www.fossmeet.in/
as far as I know, except for gnunify, the rest are dead
as far as I know, except for gnunify, the rest are dead
dead? What do you mean ? foss.in, osiday and fosskriti are organized every year and I have attended foss.in and fosskriti they are awesome.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Wednesday 02 June 2010 17:18:33 Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
- FOSS.IN http://www.foss.in
- Open Source India http://www.osidays.com
- Freed.in http://www.freed.in
- FOSSKriti http://www.techkriti.org/fosskriti/
- GNUnify http://www.gnunify.in
- FOSSMeet http://www.fossmeet.in/
as far as I know, except for gnunify, the rest are dead
Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Wednesday 02 June 2010 17:57:17 shreekant bohra wrote:
as far as I know, except for gnunify, the rest are dead
dead? What do you mean ? foss.in, osiday and fosskriti are organized every year and I have attended foss.in and fosskriti they are awesome.
this year?
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
dead? What do you mean ? foss.in, osiday and fosskriti are organized every year and I have attended foss.in and fosskriti they are awesome.
this year?
He means, in 2009 (http://foss.in/2009). As you may not know, foss.in happens at end of year (ie November/December).
On Wednesday 02 June 2010 19:22:22 Kartik Mistry wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
dead? What do you mean ? foss.in, osiday and fosskriti are organized every year and I have attended foss.in and fosskriti they are awesome.
this year?
He means, in 2009 (http://foss.in/2009). As you may not know, foss.in happens at end of year (ie November/December).
happened
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
He means, in 2009 (http://foss.in/2009). As you may not know, foss.in happens at end of year (ie November/December).
happened
Sorry, my English is weak ;)
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
He means, in 2009 (http://foss.in/2009). As you may not know, foss.in happens at end of year (ie November/December).
happened
Sorry, my English is weak ;)
not really: happens = simple present tense, referring to something that is 'either a habit' or 'happens regularly'. I think it would be reasonable to conclude that since FOSS.in has 'happened' toward the end of the year for the past 9 years, that it 'happens' during November / December. Maybe a statement that does not make any assumptions about the future would read something like "foss.in has happened at the end of year for the past 9 years.". Am not sure if you violate the spirit of The Zen of Python (in the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess) by saying 'happens', but I certainly don't think it would be against english grammatical rules to say something 'happens' if it is an observed predictable pattern of behaviour over a period of time, in this case, foss.in 'happening' at the end of the year. Sorry for that - awakened the grammar nazi in me.
All the best, Sanjay
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On Wednesday 02 June 2010 20:20:44 b@pad.ma wrote:
Sorry, my English is weak ;)
not really:
you are mixing up history, physics, astrology and grammar
happens = simple present tense, referring to something that is 'either a habit' or 'happens regularly'. I think it would be reasonable to conclude that since FOSS.in has 'happened' toward the end of the year for the past 9 years, that it 'happens' during November / December.
History: foss.in has not 'happened' for the past 9 years - it has 'happened' for the past 5 years - 2005 to 2009.
Physics/chemistry: if an event (physical event) happens with regularity in fixed conditions with fixed materials, it is reasonable to predict that it will happen again in the same conditions with the same materials. For example I have noticed that water freezes at 7 degrees C in my house, so it is reasonable to expect it to do so if I put a pan of water in conditions of 7 degrees centigrade.
Astrology: if an event happening is based on the whims of a person, predicting it's occurence is the subject of astrology.
Maybe a statement that does not make any assumptions about the future would read something like "foss.in has happened at the end of year for the past 9 years.".
5 years
Am not sure if you violate the spirit of The Zen of Python (in the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess) by saying 'happens', but I certainly don't think it would be against english grammatical rules to say something 'happens' if it is an observed predictable pattern of behaviour over a period of time, in this case, foss.in 'happening' at the end of the year.
this is not the subject of grammar - rather of logic
Sorry for that - awakened the grammar nazi in me.
sorry for this - awakened the stickler_for_facts Nazi in me
ok, apologies to all and really, nothing serious intended :)
On Wednesday 02 June 2010 20:20:44 b@pad.ma wrote:
Sorry, my English is weak ;)
not really:
you are mixing up history, physics, astrology and grammar
ill stick to grammar, since the intent of my post was to clarify the grammar and perhaps logic of the statement 'foss.in happens at the end of the year', and not the history, physics or astrology of the same.
happens = simple present tense, referring to something that is 'either a habit' or 'happens regularly'. I think it would be reasonable to conclude that since FOSS.in has 'happened' toward the end of the year for the past 9 years, that it 'happens' during November / December.
History: foss.in has not 'happened' for the past 9 years - it has 'happened' for the past 5 years - 2005 to 2009.
I will stand corrected - was perhaps confused by their website which has event schedules that go back to 2001. My point still stands. It is an event with noticed periodicity, hence it 'happens'.
Physics/chemistry: if an event (physical event) happens with regularity in fixed conditions with fixed materials, it is reasonable to predict that it will happen again in the same conditions with the same materials. For example I have noticed that water freezes at 7 degrees C in my house, so it is reasonable to expect it to do so if I put a pan of water in conditions of 7 degrees centigrade.
I guess this can be a matter of debate, but the simple present tense is not a statement of certainty about the future - something like "he goes to school at 9 in the morning" again is a bit different from "he will go to school at 9 tomorrow morning". The first is based on observed habitual behaviour, in that he goes to school, without a definitive statement about the future, which, imo, is valid. It would be a bit ridiculous to say, "he has gone to school at 9 in the morning for the past 9 years and so will probably go to school at 9 tomorrow morning" instead of "he goes to school at 9 in the morning". It is not a scientific certainty that he will go to school at 9 in the morning, of course, but simple present tense is not making a definitive statement about the future - it is simply saying something 'happens' based on observed periodicity.
Astrology: if an event happening is based on the whims of a person, predicting it's occurence is the subject of astrology.
Saying foss.in 'happens at the end of the year' isn't a predictive statement - saying 'foss.in will happen at the end of this year' is. The first is just a statement based on observed periodicity. It has nothing to do with astrology or physics or chemistry. We can argue on what would qualify something as being observed periodical behaviour, but the way I see it an event running for 5 (9?) years makes it qualify as observed periodical behaviour. This is in no way a definitive statement about the continuation of this observed periodical behaviour.
Maybe a statement that does not make any assumptions about the future would read something like "foss.in has happened at the end of year for the past 9 years.".
5 years
sure, I apologize for my error. I think the grammatical point I was making still stands.
Am not sure if you violate the spirit of The Zen of Python (in the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess) by saying 'happens', but I certainly don't think it would be against english grammatical rules to say something 'happens' if it is an observed predictable pattern of behaviour over a period of time, in this case, foss.in 'happening' at the end of the year.
this is not the subject of grammar - rather of logic
I wouldn't disagree with you necessarily on the logic part of it, nor on the astrology or physics or chemistry part of it. I still stick to my point about the correctness of grammar though - if something is observed behaviour for a period of time, it is perfectly reasonable to say something 'happens'. It doesn't have to be a certain prediction of the future, or correct in terms of astrology, physics, chemistry, etc. for it to be a grammatically and semantically correct statement.
Sorry for that - awakened the grammar nazi in me.
sorry for this - awakened the stickler_for_facts Nazi in me
if we team up, we could be the greatest force since the third reich?
ok, apologies to everyone for taking this OT . shall try and refrain from any more of this :)
cheers, Sanjay
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
as far as I know, except for gnunify, the rest are dead
GNUnify is 'Lets do what our senior did to get marks' event. No outcome from students since it launch..
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
as far as I know, except for gnunify, the rest are dead
GNUnify is 'Lets do what our senior did to get marks' event. No outcome from students since it launch..
And, what does that indicate ?
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:42 PM, sankarshan sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
GNUnify is 'Lets do what our senior did to get marks' event. No outcome from students since it launch..
And, what does that indicate ?
It indicates that it is kind of event that runs by students because their senior did. Every year they do fantastic job in organizing, setting up new website and group, calling speakers personally and even treating speakers like 'king' (& 'queen'). However, real outcome for this event is none. Have you seen any student from that college to contributing to foss? It will not happen because entire root of event is wrong.
/no personal bashing here. I've written what I feel and seen (and discussed with many other for same).
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
It indicates that it is kind of event that runs by students because their senior did. Every year they do fantastic job in organizing, setting up new website and group, calling speakers personally and even treating speakers like 'king' (& 'queen'). However, real outcome for this event is none. Have you seen any student from that college to contributing to foss? It will not happen because entire root of event is wrong.
Why would you want to limit the outcome viz. participation in FOSS to students of SICSR only ?
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:39 PM, sankarshan sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you want to limit the outcome viz. participation in FOSS to students of SICSR only ?
Because, 1. It is one of the oldest FOSS event run by students in India. 2. Someone said that except GNUNify all other events are dead.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:39 PM, sankarshan sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you want to limit the outcome viz. participation in FOSS to students of SICSR only ?
Because,
- It is one of the oldest FOSS event run by students in India.
- Someone said that except GNUNify all other events are dead.
That still doesn't directly answer the question as to why you think that since SICSR students only 'organize' and not 'contribute' GNUnify is an event not worth considering of too much importance. I'd like to understand why you measure it with only SICSR participation/contribution.
On Thursday 03 June 2010 18:44:38 Kartik Mistry wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:39 PM, sankarshan
sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you want to limit the outcome viz. participation in FOSS to students of SICSR only ?
Because,
- It is one of the oldest FOSS event run by students in India.
it is run by PLUG with symbiosis - and is the oldest continous run foss event in India
- Someone said that except GNUNify all other events are dead.
they are
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:42 PM, sankarshan sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com
wrote:
GNUnify is 'Lets do what our senior did to get marks' event. No outcome from students since it launch..
And, what does that indicate ?
It indicates that it is kind of event that runs by students because their senior did. Every year they do fantastic job in organizing, setting up new website and group, calling speakers personally and even treating speakers like 'king' (& 'queen'). However, real outcome for this event is none. Have you seen any student from that college to contributing to foss? It will not happen because entire root of event is wrong.
/no personal bashing here. I've written what I feel and seen (and discussed with many other for same).
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On Thursday 03 June 2010 18:48:31 shreekant bohra wrote:
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
Enthusiasts yes. Developers? rare is the developer who will be interested in event marketing.
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 06:48:31PM +0530, shreekant bohra wrote:
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
I agree. As long as it spreads the word, it is a success. Someday, one of those students might embrace the FOSS philosophy. It is important to keep the wheel rolling.
And after all an even is an event. No one should judge it as good or bad to get it listed on the FOSS India Calender. As far as I understand, most of the times the participation in the event is contingent upon the venue and time of the event - so more the events that get listed, better are the chances that more people will get involved. So far as to say that even a install-fest in the local community should get listed for maximum visibility.
Also its not just enough to create and publicise the list of events being organised. The site can also contain a section which syndicates the blog entries pertaining to such events so that other people can gain the ideas regarding how to organise events. It will also spread the notion that such ideas are organised successfully.
On Thursday 03 June 2010 06:48 PM, shreekant bohra wrote:
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
Unless the wrinkles in the FOS software are ironed out, promotional events will not achieve their required goals. For eg. Ubuntu was one software that brought people closer to Debian. With the new unstable versions of Ubuntu 'stable', users will get hassled by it. Accounting, Multi-Media, CAD are still grey areas that require attention.
On Thursday 03 June 2010 21:02:27 Rony wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 06:48 PM, shreekant bohra wrote:
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
Unless the wrinkles in the FOS software are ironed out, promotional events will not achieve their required goals. For eg. Ubuntu was one software that brought people closer to Debian. With the new unstable versions of Ubuntu 'stable', users will get hassled by it. Accounting, Multi-Media, CAD are still grey areas that require attention.
the whole idea of FOSS events is that we can meet each other and put faces to names - which brings me to the big question: why are you always missing when I come to Mumbai?
On Thursday 03 June 2010 10:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
the whole idea of FOSS events is that we can meet each other and put faces to names - which brings me to the big question: why are you always missing when I come to Mumbai?
I did come once but you were missing then. Maybe it is something to do with astrology. The planet positions are not favorable for our meeting.
On Thursday 03 June 2010 22:50:45 Rony wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 10:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
the whole idea of FOSS events is that we can meet each other and put faces to names - which brings me to the big question: why are you always missing when I come to Mumbai?
I did come once but you were missing then. Maybe it is something to do with astrology. The planet positions are not favorable for our meeting.
thank god you believe in astrology - with all these young farts populating the Mumbai list, I am fast losing hope!
On Thursday 03 June 2010 22:57:47 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 22:50:45 Rony wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 10:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
the whole idea of FOSS events is that we can meet each other and put faces to names - which brings me to the big question: why are you always missing when I come to Mumbai?
I did come once but you were missing then. Maybe it is something to do with astrology. The planet positions are not favorable for our meeting.
thank god you believe in astrology - with all these young farts populating the Mumbai list, I am fast losing hope!
Astrology is no good considering poseidon spinning in the background. Numerology and coming soon thru UIDAI palmistry and iristry - your pass to the goodlife.
On Thursday 03 June 2010 21:02:27 Rony wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 06:48 PM, shreekant bohra wrote:
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
Unless the wrinkles in the FOS software are ironed out, promotional events will not achieve their required goals. For eg. Ubuntu was one software that brought people closer to Debian. With the new unstable versions of Ubuntu 'stable', users will get hassled by it. Accounting, Multi-Media, CAD are still grey areas that require attention.
Why is multimedia a problem?
Well multimedia is screwed on updates in ubuntu. Works great on others. The pulseaudio transition was something that hampered a lot. Multimedia is otherwise great on Linux. It was an Achilles heel a few years back, but things have improved a lot and we have good stuff and unmatched versatility for multimedia in linux now.
CAD is very nascent. The softwares compare very badly to paid ones like autocad etc. And availability of older versions freely is also preventing switches. I looked for alternates to autocad and found some compatible stuff but nothing concrete... only viewing and printing... nothing to edit comfortably. Apparently autodesk was to release the standard for its .cad files so that a software can be built upon. In general there are a lot of science & engineering tools available, some of them good ones, and used nicely in Research and Development organizations. But its mainly for the geeky ones not ready for industrial usage.
Accounting is kinda disappointing but projects are running in rudimentary states. I'm sure it will catch up. * * *Sanket Shah*
India Email: 88.sanket@gmail.com On 4 June 2010 13:03, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 21:02:27 Rony wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 06:48 PM, shreekant bohra wrote:
FOSS events are great way to meet new and exciting people, celebrate FOSS and learn a few things as well and it hardly matters that where and who organizes it. Its a plus point though, if the people who organize FOSS events are actually FOSS developers or enthusiasts .
Unless the wrinkles in the FOS software are ironed out, promotional events will not achieve their required goals. For eg. Ubuntu was one software that brought people closer to Debian. With the new unstable versions of Ubuntu 'stable', users will get hassled by it. Accounting, Multi-Media, CAD are still grey areas that require attention.
Why is multimedia a problem?
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On Friday 04 June 2010 16:22:58 Sanket Shah wrote:
Well multimedia is screwed on updates in ubuntu. Works great on others. The pulseaudio transition was something that hampered a lot. Multimedia is otherwise great on Linux. It was an Achilles heel a few years back, but things have improved a lot and we have good stuff and unmatched versatility for multimedia in linux now.
Multimedia as in professional Multimedia was always miles ahead of doze. Listen to a puretone on linux and listen to the same on doze. Oh well maybe one's ears are a bitwornout. Use a distortion meter and you will know.
Playing mp3s on tinpot speakers is not mutimedia. It's time pass. Nonetheless i havent had a problem with tinpot multimedia since 2002.
CAD is very nascent. The softwares compare very badly to paid ones like autocad etc.
Ah the drafting package masqerading as cad.
And availability of older versions freely is also preventing switches. I looked for alternates to autocad and found some compatible stuff but nothing concrete... only viewing and printing... nothing to edit comfortably. Apparently autodesk was to release the standard for its .cad files so that a software can be built upon. In general there are a lot of science & engineering tools available, some of them good ones, and used nicely in Research and Development organizations. But its mainly for the geeky ones not ready for industrial usage.
IMO R & D requires stuff that industrial guys dont even know about. So that would put the R&D stuff 5 years ahead of the industry.
Accounting is kinda disappointing but projects are running in rudimentary states. I'm sure it will catch up.
On Friday 04 June 2010 01:03 PM, jtd wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2010 21:02:27 Rony wrote:
Unless the wrinkles in the FOS software are ironed out, promotional events will not achieve their required goals. For eg. Ubuntu was one software that brought people closer to Debian. With the new unstable versions of Ubuntu 'stable', users will get hassled by it. Accounting, Multi-Media, CAD are still grey areas that require attention.
Why is multimedia a problem?
I don't see professional use of FOSS for multi-media work. It is still doze and mac based.
On 5 June 2010 22:41, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see professional use of FOSS for multi-media work. It is still doze and mac based.
I am surprised you haven't heard of blender and its usage in the industry ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_%28software%29#Use_in_the_media_industr...
If you are looking for something in 2D industry especially an alternative to flash I am afraid none exists in free software which comes near it .
Flash has its accessibility issues and is now kicked by apple ( for its own reasons ) . The market which is going towards mobile devices will almost be void of flash with 2 major players being google android and iphone moving towards HTML 5 .
Even the big daddy M$ which is tending towards its own proprietary solution(silver or moon light) announced that it will support HTML5 . Its CSS3 and JS which will rule the web/mobile web which IMHO is where the multimedia market is .
Or if you are talking of plain audio/video editing . There are tools but we need to search better ! Cinelerra is good for video editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra while I would definitely recommend audacity for audio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity
Regards, Pavithran
Regards, Pavithran
On Saturday 05 June 2010 11:47 PM, pavithran s wrote:
On 5 June 2010 22:41, Ronygnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see professional use of FOSS for multi-media work. It is still doze and mac based.
I am surprised you haven't heard of blender and its usage in the industry ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_%28software%29#Use_in_the_media_industr...
I haven't seen anybody I came across, use it.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:42 PM, sankarshan sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
GNUnify is 'Lets do what our senior did to get marks' event. No outcome from students since it launch..
And, what does that indicate ?
It indicates that it is kind of event that runs by students because their senior did. Every year they do fantastic job in organizing, setting up new website and group, calling speakers personally and even treating speakers like 'king' (& 'queen'). However, real outcome for this event is none. Have you seen any student from that college to contributing to foss? It will not happen because entire root of event is wrong.
The main motive of Gnunify as per event slogan is 'A Forum to Unite open minds', and thats what it aims to do, promise is not to get XYZ lines of code written by the students or the attendees, but leaving the forum open to such ideas. As for the students themselves though they may not be direct contributors to some FOSS project, but the organization process has opened quite a few to FOSS and making careers in it. Maybe the structure of event seems repetitive (yes there still is an install fest!), but its always been open for discussion and change. and not to mention the vertical layout of rooms which does keep many a lazy folk away who want to avoid climbing up and down a dozen times a day.
Karunakar
On 3 June 2010 18:35, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
GNUnify is 'Lets do what our senior did to get marks' event. No outcome from students since it launch..
And, what does that indicate ?
It indicates that it is kind of event that runs by students because their senior did. Every year they do fantastic job in organizing, setting up new website and group, calling speakers personally and even treating speakers like 'king' (& 'queen'). However, real outcome for this event is none. Have you seen any student from that college to contributing to foss? It will not happen because entire root of event is wrong.
Mukt.in 2008 was one such event . Having co-organised the event at Osmania University , Hyderabad . I by the end of the event felt the same . They did an event for events sake. Those people love organsing events and they were more than happy with the outcome of event . I felt as a alien in the event which we planned for long time :(
2009 didn't happene because no one planned for the event . There was a surge of activity/interest to get the event running by end of 2009 at IIIT where the venue was given but very less support from the faculty and student volunteers .
2010 of the event was disturbed by agitations one being the famous telangana agitation while a complete venue shift to jaipur bought another agitation gujjar agitation ( came after CFP) .
The south as of now lacks FOSS events for people starting to be with FOSS . I hope this mail will bring some initiative for campus events in large scale .
PS : Madras Inst of Tech regularly organises carteblanche as a part of its computer society .
Regards, Pavithran
On Thursday 03 June 2010 21:19:44 pavithran s wrote:
2009 didn't happene because no one planned for the event . There was a surge of activity/interest to get the event running by end of 2009 at IIIT where the venue was given but very less support from the faculty and student volunteers .
IIIT offered the venue free of cost with all facilities, but the careless arrogant attitude of the organisers torpedoed the event. When are we going to learn to be professional? Do you really expect college professors to respect people who turn up unshaven, with tee-shirts with a know_it_all air? I have seen these same guys in foreign with tie and coat, with serious preparation and well thought out talks - fully prepared and documented. They even turn up in time! I remember one of ilug mumbai heroes giving a talk on Octave as a replacement for matlab. The guy knew nothing about octave or about matlab, and his audience was a bunch of vice-chancellors and HOD's. He was so arrogant that he thought that since he was a FOSS poster boy they would listen to him without question. Anyway he tried to show them how to do 2+2=4 with octave. Could not do it. Worse, he could not even make the projector work properly with his laptop. I had told him to make sure it was working - but he preferred to spend that time having lunch! Half the audience walked off - finally one of the 'old farts' gave him a slip of paper to show him how to do it. It turns out that the said 'old fart' was a Pune university professor who had been using octave for the past several years and had even written a book on it!
lesson: respect the 'old farts'
On 3 June 2010 22:17, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
IIIT offered the venue free of cost with all facilities, but the careless arrogant attitude of the organisers torpedoed the event. When are we going to learn to be professional? Do you really expect college professors to respect people who turn up unshaven, with tee-shirts with a know_it_all air?
Well calling FOSS volunteers as arrogant really spells your attitude towards them . Note that after 2008 Mukt.in has been volunteer driven( with no organisers/organiser list) with people interacting via IRC and mailing list .
IIIT offering the venue free of cost is no big deal as previous events were all done in venues offered free of cost . Infact it costs more to travel all the way from hyderabad city to IIIT .
Well I am not sure if the volunteers went with unshaved and T-shirts but FOSS volunteers tend to be informal which the 'old people' don't like .
Anyways I am writing to clarify that its not arrogance of the volunteers which broke the event but some ego clash between profs ( the small ones don't like the big one to order them around)
Most of those details were not made public but you can read http://bit.ly/aaK7uc if you are interested .
Regards, Pavithran
On Saturday 05 June 2010 13:12:40 pavithran s wrote:
On 3 June 2010 22:17, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
IIIT offered the venue free of cost with all facilities, but the careless arrogant attitude of the organisers torpedoed the event. When are we going to learn to be professional? Do you really expect college professors to respect people who turn up unshaven, with tee-shirts with a know_it_all air?
Well calling FOSS volunteers as arrogant really spells your attitude towards them . Note that after 2008 Mukt.in has been volunteer driven( with no organisers/organiser list) with people interacting via IRC and mailing list .
I have many bitter experiences with the organisers of mukt.in - and I stand by my statement
IIIT offering the venue free of cost is no big deal as previous events were all done in venues offered free of cost . Infact it costs more to travel all the way from hyderabad city to IIIT .
Well I am not sure if the volunteers went with unshaved and T-shirts but FOSS volunteers tend to be informal which the 'old people' don't like .
that is what I am saying - some of you 'tend to be informal' which older people do not like. That is the attitude I am criticising - these same people can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
Anyways I am writing to clarify that its not arrogance of the volunteers which broke the event but some ego clash between profs ( the small ones don't like the big one to order them around)
in India, if you do not know how to deal tactfully with profs, and older people, you will get no where.
that is what I am saying - some of you 'tend to be informal' which older people do not like. That is the attitude I am criticising - these same people can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
Employees at Google don't have a dress code. I'm sure they are considered ' serious professionals' .
-- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Regards,
Sameep sameep@tuxwire.com
On Saturday 05 June 2010 21:32:57 Sameep wrote:
can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
Employees at Google don't have a dress code. I'm sure they are considered ' serious professionals' .
google is not an Indian University
On 06-Jun-2010, at 9:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Saturday 05 June 2010 21:32:57 Sameep wrote:
can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
Employees at Google don't have a dress code. I'm sure they are considered ' serious professionals' .
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
They are comparatively relaxed in dressing norms in the office, but again, i am quiet sure lack of dress code does not allow them to come to work in shorts or bikinis.
google is not an Indian University
Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Sunday 06 June 2010 09:28:30 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
On 06-Jun-2010, at 9:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Saturday 05 June 2010 21:32:57 Sameep wrote:
can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
Employees at Google don't have a dress code. I'm sure they are considered ' serious professionals' .
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
They are comparatively relaxed in dressing norms in the office, but again, i am quiet sure lack of dress code does not allow them to come to work in shorts or bikinis.
Also I might add there is a vast difference between being informal and unkempt.
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
http://www.lifereboot.com/2008/my-interview-at-google/
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
They are comparatively relaxed in dressing norms in the office, but again, i am quiet sure lack of dress code does not allow them to come to work in shorts or bikinis.
google is not an Indian University
Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Sameep sameep@tuxwire.com wrote:
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
Wrong example. Do you have an example of an interview for a position in Marketing/Sales? An event organizer is effectively that.
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
Have you seen Steve Jobs shabbily dressed? As someone mentioned earlier, there is a difference between casual and unkempt. Also, Jobs is not just another guy in the office. He does not need to impress anyone or make any impact. When he needed to do that (early in his career), he would dress sharp so that people actually take him seriously.
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
Wrong example. Do you have an example of an interview for a position in Marketing/Sales? An event organizer is effectively that.
Ahh, I finally reached the end of the post; pretty funny :)
I hope you did intend to post that as a joke, not _really_ as an example of how Google expects you to dress for interviews :P
On 06-Jun-2010, at 7:14 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
Wrong example. Do you have an example of an interview for a position in Marketing/Sales? An event organizer is effectively that.
Ahh, I finally reached the end of the post; pretty funny :)
I hope you did intend to post that as a joke, not _really_ as an example of how Google expects you to dress for interviews :P
I did read the end . The comments are quite interesting too.
-- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.in -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On 06-Jun-2010, at 7:09 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Sameep sameep@tuxwire.com wrote:
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
Wrong example. Do you have an example of an interview for a position in Marketing/Sales? An event organizer is effectively that.
Firstly , I don't think you read the entire post. The blogger didn't actually go to Google. It's imaginary. It just shows the bloggers point of view that google does not care what you wear.
Secondly , I don't think you read the post to which I replied either. It was :
"
that is what I am saying - some of you 'tend to be informal' which older people do not like. That is the attitude I am criticising - these same people can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
"
So it wasn't really the event organizers (who you think should be compared to people interviewing for marketing/sales positions ??) who were dressed casually.
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
Have you seen Steve Jobs shabbily dressed? As someone mentioned earlier, there is a difference between casual and unkempt. Also, Jobs is not just another guy in the office. He does not need to impress anyone or make any impact. When he needed to do that (early in his career), he would dress sharp so that people actually take him seriously.
Why do you think he doesn't need people to take him seriously ? Just because he is successful does not mean he doesn't need people to take him seriously.
-- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.in -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Sameep sameep@tuxwire.com wrote:
Firstly , I don't think you read the entire post. The blogger didn't actually go to Google. It's imaginary. It just shows the bloggers point of view that google does not care what you wear.
Yes, I did realize that and hence my second email.
Secondly , I don't think you read the post to which I replied either. It was :
"
that is what I am saying - some of you 'tend to be informal' which older people do not like. That is the attitude I am criticising - these same people can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
"
So it wasn't really the event organizers (who you think should be compared to people interviewing for marketing/sales positions ??) who were dressed casually.
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
Have you seen Steve Jobs shabbily dressed? As someone mentioned earlier, there is a difference between casual and unkempt. Also, Jobs is not just another guy in the office. He does not need to impress anyone or make any impact. When he needed to do that (early in his career), he would dress sharp so that people actually take him seriously.
Why do you think he doesn't need people to take him seriously ? Just because he is successful does not mean he doesn't need people to take him seriously.
He does not... really. He did when he had to, when he had to get his startup off the ground. Now he is the benevolent dictator of a company and effectively an entire industry. He walks around in a pink thong and there will be enough people tweeting about how great that new fashion is.
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:47:31 Sameep wrote:
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
http://www.lifereboot.com/2008/my-interview-at-google/
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
If you are Steve Job, you dont need clothes If you are RMS you dont need.
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:47:31 Sameep wrote:
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
http://www.lifereboot.com/2008/my-interview-at-google/
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
who is steve jobs? does he need to apply for a job - or for facilities for holding a foss conference in a university?
On 06-Jun-2010, at 2:47 PM, Sameep wrote:
Perhaps i am stepping into the conversation halfway and without having read all the previous posts in the thread, But please show me any google employee who is at a client meeting or a presentation not in a formal dress. I am not saying business suites, but definately formal dressing is a requirement in Google for any client meeting.
I haven't been to any client meetings so I wouldn't know . But this link might shed some light on how google expects you to dress .
That article is an imaginary writing by someone who has not been interviewed by google and definately fast tracked to get his job there on account of his informal dressing. All things on internet are not to be trusted as gosple.
So what does this really have to do with my post above ?
On a different note , how many times have you seen Steve Jobs in formal clothing ?
Not met him :) But he has made black turtle necks a formal clothing, i think.
regards saswata
Greetings,
On 6/6/10, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Saturday 05 June 2010 21:32:57 Sameep wrote: google is not an Indian University
... who churn out a lot of unemployable junk who proliferate every service field giving hell to their customers most of the time -- execpt for FLOSS sector.
Regards
Rajagopal
On 06-Jun-2010, at 9:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Saturday 05 June 2010 21:32:57 Sameep wrote:
can be seen in coat and tie when going for visa interview at foreign consulates - why not be informal there? FOSS is a serious professional venture and unless we behave like serious professionals, we will get no where.
Employees at Google don't have a dress code. I'm sure they are considered ' serious professionals' .
google is not an Indian University
By the same standard , an Indian University is not a Consulate.
-- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:40:54 Sameep wrote:
google is not an Indian University
By the same standard , an Indian University is not a Consulate.
then why do my friends wear suits to go to the consulate but go unshaven to the university?
On 06-Jun-2010, at 11:30 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:40:54 Sameep wrote:
google is not an Indian University
By the same standard , an Indian University is not a Consulate.
then why do my friends wear suits to go to the consulate but go unshaven to the university?
eh ?
-- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Regards,
Sameep sameep@tuxwire.com
On Monday 07 June 2010 17:57:34 Sameep wrote:
On 06-Jun-2010, at 11:30 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:40:54 Sameep wrote:
google is not an Indian University
By the same standard , an Indian University is not a Consulate.
then why do my friends wear suits to go to the consulate but go unshaven to the university?
eh ?
either you have not followed the thread, or you are just posting for the sake of posting.
On 07-Jun-2010, at 6:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Monday 07 June 2010 17:57:34 Sameep wrote:
On 06-Jun-2010, at 11:30 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:40:54 Sameep wrote:
google is not an Indian University
By the same standard , an Indian University is not a Consulate.
then why do my friends wear suits to go to the consulate but go unshaven to the university?
eh ?
either you have not followed the thread, or you are just posting for the sake of posting.
Either you've forgotten the context of the thread , or your just retarded. You spoke about people not dressing the part [in your opinion] . I gave an example of google employees which was unacceptable to you because " google is not an Indian University ". Fair enough . So why are you comparing their attire to what it would be if they were going to a consulate ? Agreed that google is not an " Indian University" . Neither is an " Indian University" a consulate. So why the comparison with a consulate?
-- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Regards,
Sameep sameep@tuxwire.com
On Monday 07 June 2010 18:24:05 Sameep wrote:
either you have not followed the thread, or you are just posting for the sake of posting.
Either you've forgotten the context of the thread , or your just retarded. You spoke about people not dressing the part [in your opinion] . I gave an example of google employees which was unacceptable to you because " google is not an Indian University ". Fair enough . So why are you comparing their attire to what it would be if they were going to a consulate ? Agreed that google is not an " Indian University" . Neither is an " Indian University" a consulate. So why the comparison with a consulate?
the thread is this:
one of the problems with holding foss events is the difficulty of getting space to hold them. One alternative is to hire halls - which cost in lakhs for sufficient space. The other alternative is to get it hosted by some college or university - this has usually been a huge success. The downside to this is that one has to deal with academics. In most places there is not much of a problem as long as the people on our side are polite, show respect and are reasonably well dressed. Unfortunately some of our people do not show such 'respect'. So the staff in the University tend to ignore them - the thinking is: 'I am a HOD with years of experience and a Phd. Who is this guy with just a basic degree to treat me as an equal?' The result is an ego clash, and the whole engagement goes sour. However the same 'casual informal' people, when it is their turn to impress people - for a job interview, to get clients or to get a visa - they turn up impeccably dressed.
It has already been pointed out in this thread, that Google employees are not out to impress people outside their establishment and also that the atmosphere they work in is totally different from the atmosphere and culture in Indian Universities. No doubt if you turn up in a Tee shirt and jeans and ask google for space to hold a conference, they will not hold your dress style or manners against you. But we are not talking of google - we are talking of the many times negotiations with universities have broken down because of this factor. btw, most of the academics expect to be addressed as 'Sir' or 'Professor' and if you do not do so - you will not get very far.
I hope this explanation is sufficient for you - if you require any further clarifications please do not hesitate to ask. btw, I have 10 years experience in this particular field, and unlikely as it may sound, I know what I am talking about.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
I hope this explanation is sufficient for you - if you require any further clarifications please do not hesitate to ask. btw, I have 10 years experience in this particular field, and unlikely as it may sound, I know what I am talking about.
The original poster has not indicated whether the list of events that were being discussed was sufficient or, whether they have been recorded somewhere.
On Monday 07 June 2010 18:50:38 sankarshan wrote:
ations please do not hesitate to ask. btw, I have 10 years experience
in this particular field, and unlikely as it may sound, I know what I am talking about.
The original poster has not indicated whether the list of events that were being discussed was sufficient or, whether they have been recorded somewhere.
he has probably retired in total confusion!
On 5 June 2010 13:41, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
in India, if you do not know how to deal tactfully with profs, and older people, you will get no where.
+1 I agree completely and I think 'being tactical' was lacking at that time ! BTW Have you seen the movie three idiots ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Idiots
Regards, Pavithran
Hi,
--- On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote: | IIIT offered the venue free of cost with all facilities, --
In writing? AFAIK, we never received any!
http://groups.google.co.in/group/mukt/msg/ecfa746e77fc7644
SK
On Monday 07 June 2010 10:27:31 Shakthi Kannan wrote:
--- On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote: | IIIT offered the venue free of cost with all facilities,
--
In writing? AFAIK, we never received any!
I have had many interactions with these people - and their workstyle has always made me extremely frustrated - no replies to emails, not keeping appointments etc. The only thing that works is phone calls and visits. But unfortunately this is more or less the norm in many institutions. There are many places where they go out of their way to be helpful - but these are usually an exception. Where the lower level staff are not cooperative, there is no other way than repeatedly going to the top. Which I finally did in your case, but by then matters had gone beyond repair - although the staff concerned did apologize and offered to help, it was too late. Unfortunately in these cases one needs extreme patience - I have even faced these problems in MIT and Anna University. I do not know if you will remember, but when Fossconf was held in MIT, the dean and other professors were busy taking classes in the halls that were allotted to the conference and there was huge confusion and many talks started late. This was in spite of the fact that we had several meetings with him and the vice chancellor regarding the timings.
perhaps some day when I have time I will chronicle the 'fun' we had with VJTI over a period of a year or so. I am sure Anurag and Mehul are still having nightmares about that! But we did accomplish something - but no where near what we could have ...
Hi,
--- On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote: | I have had many interactions with these people - and their workstyle has | always made me extremely frustrated - no replies to emails, not keeping | appointments etc. The only thing that works is phone calls and visits. --
Agreed. It is quite demanding and challenging when one has a day job though.
Thanks for your reply,
SK
We started this foss event 'Sakshamahttp://www.sakshama.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=321&Itemid=119' Last year, and hope to continue every year. You could add that as FOSS event in Rajasthan.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am writing an article for FOSS Guru on the FOSS events that are going on in India. I know of the following events:
- FOSS.IN http://www.foss.in
- Open Source India http://www.osidays.com
- Freed.in http://www.freed.in
- FOSSKriti http://www.techkriti.org/fosskriti/
- GNUnify http://www.gnunify.in
- FOSSMeet http://www.fossmeet.in/
If u know of more events please write back.
Regards, Naveen Dhanuka -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
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