Sorry for posting without subject . The thing is I'm very frustrated for putting my trust on Linux :-(
OK I had enough of Linux (period)
I've been using Linux for almost 2 years now. After getting bored of Windows I decided to remove it from my PC.I was running only Red Hat Linux 7.1 when I had a major filesystem crash. I even lost some of important data.
One of my friends suggested that 7.1 had a buggy kernel and I should switch to 6.2 I installed 6.2 and everything was fine until today...
The boot process 'dropped me to a shell' and advised me to run fsck manually. I obliged.
Out of the blue I got a truckload of messages telling me that something was wrong and that should it fix it ? Amazingly the only answer was yes.I continued pressing 'y' for about 5 mins and then the ordeal was over.
I logged in just to find that my ncurses libraries had been deleted ! And horror of horrors: my entire rpm database was gone... I did not want any more surprises.
Being frustrated I decided to give myself a break. I removed Linux and now I'm running good ol' Win 98 :-)
Anyone reading this please keep in mind : Curse Windows , Hate Windows ,Kick Windows but never and I say *never* remove Windows. It is the only thing that works for you (period)
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Dear O Dear... It s not the problem with linux.... I think the problem is with you .. that u r not dedicated to any of the operating sysytem. ..!!! so, once again one fine day you will come with windows saying that u r fed up of so many " Runtime Errors " Linux is better...
So my suggestion to u is Stick to ONE don,t run here and ther.. cursing others. Be always :-) regards liloin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikhil Joshi" nikhiljoshy@yahoo.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:32 PM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux is not reliable . Windows Still rulez
Sorry for posting without subject . The thing is I'm very frustrated for putting my trust on Linux :-(
OK I had enough of Linux (period)
I've been using Linux for almost 2 years now. After getting bored of Windows I decided to remove it from my PC.I was running only Red Hat Linux 7.1 when I had a major filesystem crash. I even lost some of important data.
One of my friends suggested that 7.1 had a buggy kernel and I should switch to 6.2 I installed 6.2 and everything was fine until today...
The boot process 'dropped me to a shell' and advised me to run fsck manually. I obliged.
Out of the blue I got a truckload of messages telling me that something was wrong and that should it fix it ? Amazingly the only answer was yes.I continued pressing 'y' for about 5 mins and then the ordeal was over.
I logged in just to find that my ncurses libraries had been deleted ! And horror of horrors: my entire rpm database was gone... I did not want any more surprises.
Being frustrated I decided to give myself a break. I removed Linux and now I'm running good ol' Win 98 :-)
Anyone reading this please keep in mind : Curse Windows , Hate Windows ,Kick Windows but never and I say *never* remove Windows. It is the only thing that works for you (period)
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Nikhil Joshi wrote:
I've been using Linux for almost 2 years now. After getting bored of Windows I decided to remove it from my PC.I was running only Red Hat
The way that I see it, is that your reasons for switching to linux in the first place were wrong. If you were bored of windows, chances are you'd get bored of whatever else you tried.
Linux 7.1 when I had a major filesystem crash. I even lost some of important data.
One of my friends suggested that 7.1 had a buggy kernel and I should switch to 6.2 I installed 6.2 and everything was fine until today...
Wrong. The correct thing to do would be to upgrade your kernel. Running up2date would have done that for you. Never ever go back to an older version. Newer versions have bugs fixed.
As far as your initial filesystem crash, do you remember how it happened? Running a journalling file system would have helped you. I run linux in an area (of my office) where there is no UPS. Power failures are frequent. I have never suffered data loss. In fact, the last time I suffered data loss was in early 2000, running RedHat 6.0, again due to repeated power failures.
I logged in just to find that my ncurses libraries had been deleted ! And horror of horrors: my entire rpm database was gone... I did not want any more surprises.
Actually, everything you think was lost would have been in the lost+found directories of the related partitions. You do have separate partitions for binaries and data don't you?
Being frustrated I decided to give myself a break. I removed Linux and now I'm running good ol' Win 98 :-)
Good for you. Back to daily crashes, and restarting everytime you change anything.
Anyone reading this please keep in mind : Curse Windows , Hate Windows ,Kick Windows but never and I say *never* remove Windows. It is the only thing that works for you (period)
Ok, personal experience. I've been using linux for about three years now - exclusively. No problems. My family uses it too. They are not nerds. I have never had a system crash that wasn't related to a power failure (BSES is active in my area), and even then, I have never lost data (it was all found in lost+found).
I've recently had the need to work with windows (a client requires some programming with a specific database).
The first day - I had to reboot 12 times to install all the software (all licenced).
Then, I started my coding. I get database errors. The only way to fix it is to restart windows (no reboot). I have tried everything else.
Programs crash arbitrarily. The system hangs on restart. I get headaches (which miraculously vanish when I switch back to linux).
While windows may be the only thing that works for you, it is the only thing that doesn't work for me. I've been using linux for a long time, and it has served all my purposes, and has *always* worked for me.
The way that I see it, is that your reasons for switching to linux in the first place were wrong. If you were bored of windows, chances are
I think I did not make myself clear. I was using dual boot way before removing windows. It's just that I recently switched over to single boot : Only Linux.
As far as your initial filesystem crash, do you remember how it happened? Running a journalling file system would have helped you. I
Yes my initial and the recent filesystem crash was due to *power failure* Can I have more info 'bout journalling file system please
Actually, everything you think was lost would have been in the lost+found directories of the related partitions. You do have
separate
partitions for binaries and data don't you?
Actually I don't have separate partitions. I have this / and swap partition only. I do this since my hard disk is just 4 gigs. I've read that you have to be real Linux guru to recover the lost+found data. So I did not bother about it. Can someone please give some info about recovering the data from lost+found ?
P.S. I was really frustrated with the whole incident. I think that the subject line was little provocative and harsh. Maybe it's just that rush of blood, that frustration which led to the harsh statements made by me. I apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings. Honestly it was not my intention. I hope you understand. Now I'm planning to install a rock solid Linux installation which won't crash due to power failures. Please guide me.
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Can I have more info 'bout journalling file system please
Linux gets the SGI XFS
http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article.php3?aid=29&tid=1
Now I'm planning to install a rock solid Linux installation which won't crash due to power failures. Please guide me.
I have the RH XFS 1.02 installer CD. You can borrow it form me.
Navin Dhanuka
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Nikhil Joshi wrote:
Yes my initial and the recent filesystem crash was due to *powerfailure* Can I have more info 'bout journalling file system please
There's plenty of information on the web. See http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-10/lw-10-penguin_4.html for info on reiserfs, also see ibm's developerworks page.
The only thing you're probably interested in is how to set it up. All 2.4 kernels have reiserfs built in, but you'll have to recompile to enable it. Read the kernel-compiling howto for info.
Alternately, if you have RH7.2, it has ext3, which is basically ext2 with journalling support. If you have the driver, then just run tune2fs on your file system to create the journal, or add the ext3 patch to your kernel source and recompile.
Actually I don't have separate partitions. I have this / and swappartition only. I do this since my hard disk is just 4 gigs. I've read that you have
not a problem, but even if you have a small harddisk, a separate /boot, /usr and / is good. separate /home may be good to protect your own data.
to be real Linux guru to recover the lost+found data. So I did not bother about it. Can
You should try first to decide. Don't believe anything you hear. Always try it yourself. Or, in the words of a famous personality `Do or do not. There is no try.' If you don't know who said that, then you've missed out on life.
go into the lost+found directory. Most files will have weird names, but you can generally see the contents. If you've created the files, then you should know what they contain.
Run file on the file to figure out what type it is.
If a directory is in there, then files inside the directory will still have their original names. You can use this to restore the entire directory.
--- Nikhil Joshi nikhiljoshy@yahoo.com wrote:
As far as your initial filesystem crash, do you
remember how it
happened? Running a journalling file system
would have helped you. I
[snip] Journalling File Systems r like databases with rollback facilities in them, ofcourse they hav a whole plethora of advantages as compared to the traditional File Systems bering used on linux. One of the main advantages would have been that in case of a unorderly shutdown the Data Loss would have been minimised. Not the complete data loss can be prevented.
Look at Journallin File Systems as Databases with Rollback features in them. Journalling File Systems generally maintain a log of the changes to any meta-data that has to be commited to the disk. The meta-data is basically the information abt the data that u store on the disk. SO wheneever u perform a read/write trasaction the changes to the meta-data are recorded on a Journal which then becomed dirty. This is then commited to the disk in an orderly fashion when the syncing is done. So when there is as unorderly shutdown the data from the jounal log isn't flushed to disk.
Many a time in such situations u may witness loss of data regarding to the lost transaction since it hasn't been writen to disk. But remember, it's better than loosin ur whole File System.
As far as vouching about the sturdiness of ReiserFS, my personal experience on production systems say........it's good enough for most implementations. But yes, ONLY ONCE hav i seen a ReiserFS system go down........
as for ext3.......i don't care......
As of now....me nd my production systems run XFS, which is reaaaaaaaaly sturdy nad can support much larger file sizes. Check it out, i think the XFS port to Linux by SGI is one of the best thingz that has happened to Linux File Systems.
Yes my initial and the recent filesystem crashwas due to *power failure* Can I have more info 'bout journalling file system please
[snip] pliss refer to the above. As for the information on XFS and ReiserFS u can find info them @ www.freshmeat.net.
Actually I don't have separate partitions. Ihave this / and swap partition only.
[snip] as philip mentions, downgradin ur distro to 6.* wasn't the real solution. Some pple learn the hard way pal.
There's somethin that my dad always tells me,"When in DOUBT ASK".
I would like to add to it, "When in doubt ASK, but all GOOGLE."
I do this since my hard disk is just 4 gigs.I've read that you have to be real Linux guru
[snip] hehehehe...:)) The fact that u hav got so far means u hav achieved part gurudom..:))
to recover the lost+found data. So I did notbother about it. Can someone please give some info about recovering the data from lost+found
? [snip] just cd into those dirs u'll find the data lying all over the place in the form of files with inode nos.
P.S. I was really frustrated with the whole incident. I think that the subject line was little
provocative
and harsh.
[snip] Lets put this behind us. But next time before u say somethin, think abt the repurcussions it'll hav cause we believe in wat we work on and we hav tremendous faith in it. And trust and faith are virtues built over a loooooong period of time pal.
Being vociferous helps at times, but at times when looked at in a dim perspective can be detrimental.
Trevor Warren
crash due to power failures. Please guide me.
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Sometime today, Nikhil Joshi wrote:
Anyone reading this please keep in mind : Curse Windows , Hate Windows ,Kick Windows but never and I say *never* remove Windows. It is the only thing that works for you (period)
It's not a problem with Windows or Linux. It's a problem with computers, in general. Computers suck.
For the typical non-techie home user, Windows still rules. It's ``good for the job''. Doesn't matter the evil licenses and stuff (who cares!).
If you thought Linux was the end to all your computer problems, I'm sorry. But *I* still use Linux and it pretty much rocks my world. Linux is a nice OS for programmers/geeks. It's not a one-size-fits-all OS. Of course, you can always tweak it to suit your requirements (if you're competent enough). You can't do that with Windows (and you probably don't need to).
Manish
Hi,
I am great fan of Linux and windows, both are very matured OS's now. Win98 is pretty old to compare with new Linux. So I would say that you use win2k or XP (At least ME). Do not compare win98 with Linux RedHat 7.1. Most of the stability problems with win98 have disappeared for me with win2k. Also RedHat 6.2 is no exception since it is also very old. About the kernel of 7.1 all that you should have done is that upgrade a kernel to 2.4.10 or greater. About Linux, use it for some dedicated purposes like hosting a personal web site, or may be as a backup OS. There is much more that one can do on Linux than another OS. I had made a similar mistake when I had removed all partitions of windows. I have realized that these OS's do a great job but Linux is difficult to configure and windows is simple to configure but then it is difficult to keep it up and running. But if you want more reliable OS then Linux is the way to go. You should use a Journaling file system that come with the latest Linux distribution like Mandrake 8.1 or RedHat 7.2, these file system are specifically designed so that if there is a system crash then also the computer can startup again without a problem. So decide on one use it for regular purposes, and keep the other as a rescue. That is if you have that much space on the HDD. I read these statistics some where. Only Linux users 5% and there are 95% who share their Linux box with a windows box. These are approximate values; I just learned that it is a good idea to have more than one OS on your system.
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-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in] On Behalf Of Nikhil Joshi Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:32 PM To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux is not reliable . Windows Still rulez
Sorry for posting without subject . The thing is I'm very frustrated for putting my trust on Linux :-(
OK I had enough of Linux (period)
I've been using Linux for almost 2 years now. After getting bored of Windows I decided to remove it from my PC.I was running only Red Hat Linux 7.1 when I had a major filesystem crash. I even lost some of important data.
One of my friends suggested that 7.1 had a buggy kernel and I should switch to 6.2 I installed 6.2 and everything was fine until today...
The boot process 'dropped me to a shell' and advised me to run fsck manually. I obliged.
Out of the blue I got a truckload of messages telling me that something was wrong and that should it fix it ? Amazingly the only answer was yes.I continued pressing 'y' for about 5 mins and then the ordeal was over.
I logged in just to find that my ncurses libraries had been deleted ! And horror of horrors: my entire rpm database was gone... I did not want any more surprises.
Being frustrated I decided to give myself a break. I removed Linux and now I'm running good ol' Win 98 :-)
Anyone reading this please keep in mind : Curse Windows , Hate Windows ,Kick Windows but never and I say *never* remove Windows. It is the only thing that works for you (period)
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Amish K. Munshi wrote:
I have realized that these OS's do a great job but Linux is difficult to configure and windows is simple to configure but then it is
Actually, many people (me included) would argue that linux is easier to configure. All configuration files in linux are text files. All options are well commented. The ability to have comments right in the configuration file is great.
In windows, you've got to search around n dialog boxes (for acceptable values of n), search through tabs, and figure out what weird terms mean. If windows doesn't start (even in safe mode), then there's no way you can reconfigure things. I've seen it happen.
You don't have to be a linux guru to be able to configure, you just need to know where the configuration files are, and how to read them.
If there aren't inline comments, it is very likely that the configuration file has a man page of its own. eg. man xinetd.conf
Hi,
Yes I agree with you, but I most of the work that we require to do is available as a GUI toolkit. And however integrated we are to the Linux systems, we would love to use the graphical version of linuxconf rather than the text version. Anyway Linux is always better since all of have used both of them (Win and Lin). And not many people who say that Win is better have just used Win.
Bye. -----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in] On Behalf Of Philip S Tellis Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:40 PM To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] Linux is not reliable . Windows Still rulez
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Amish K. Munshi wrote:
I have realized that these OS's do a great job but Linux is difficult to configure and windows is simple to configure but then it
is
Actually, many people (me included) would argue that linux is easier to configure. All configuration files in linux are text files. All options are well commented. The ability to have comments right in the configuration file is great.
In windows, you've got to search around n dialog boxes (for acceptable values of n), search through tabs, and figure out what weird terms mean. If windows doesn't start (even in safe mode), then there's no way
you can reconfigure things. I've seen it happen.
You don't have to be a linux guru to be able to configure, you just need
to know where the configuration files are, and how to read them.
If there aren't inline comments, it is very likely that the configuration file has a man page of its own. eg. man xinetd.conf
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Amish K. Munshi wrote:
Yes I agree with you, but I most of the work that we require to do is available as a GUI toolkit. And however integrated we are to the Linux systems, we would love to use the graphical version of linuxconf rather than the text version.
Don't use linuxconf - any version. It is broken, it will break your configuration files.
Anyway, I was not talking about using linuxconf or tools like that, I was talking about using vi to edit the configuration files.
No GUI interface (you can also have text based GUIs) can give you the flexibility of directly editing the configuration files. This is so because with an interface, you are restricted to putting all your widgets into limited screen space. You are limited by what the designer of the interface thought you might want to do. I have not seen an interface that lets you do everything possible (except maybe with resolv.conf and hosts.conf)
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