Innovative and integrated User experience. As a developer, I still have not come across development environment + documentation comparable to MSDN + Visual Studio.
Personally I find GNU Emacs to be a very good IDE. Otherwise did you have a look at Anjuta or KDevelop? What other development things did you look at?
I work on a C++ product that works on few platforms (Solaris, Win32/64, Linux).
Is this a GUI product. In that case Anjuta (for Gtk+) and KDevelop (for Qt) are good. For all other purposes Emacs is a good IDE, although I see hundreds of people achieve amazing results using a Vim/Shell/GDB/Valgrind/... combination, which can not really be called an IDE. :-)
Few things that Linux has innovated :
- IPTABLES
- RaiserFS
- Live CD
When I updated my AMD Athlon64 3200+ and VIA chipset based desktop to Fedora 10 x86_64, the kernel would crash 9 out of 10 times when I would try to boot it with a traceback indicating some problem with the driver for my Firewire PCI card. You know what, even then the boot process would recover, X would start, GDM would recover, and once I log into GNOME a nice little pop-up would come asking me that the kernel had encountered some problems and whether I would like to report this to kerneloops.org or not. Something called kexec and kdump at work behind the scenes. :-)
Don't know whether other OSes have this or not, but then who cares?
Cheers, Debarshi
On Tuesday 30 Dec 2008 1:15:01 pm debarshi.ray@gmail.com wrote:
I work on a C++ product that works on few platforms (Solaris, Win32/64, Linux).
Is this a GUI product. In that case Anjuta (for Gtk+) and KDevelop (for Qt) are good. For all other purposes Emacs is a good IDE, although I see hundreds of people achieve amazing results using a Vim/Shell/GDB/Valgrind/... combination, which can not really be called an IDE. :-)
the linux desktop is an IDE - the best in the world. Incidentally there is a cute little editor call geany - very small, low on memory usage, fast and amazingly powerful.
can someone summarize this thread ? i m not sure if we are talking abt foss success stories anymore.
hrb
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Harsh,
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Harsh Busa harsh.busa@gmail.com wrote:
can someone summarize this thread ? i m not sure if we are talking abt foss success stories anymore.
Here is the summery.
<sarcasm> When a newbie asks a question we will ask him/her to f*** up and RTFM.
We will blame all FOSS issues to M$ and their puppets.
Usalibilty in FOSS is f*** word so please don't ask. Usability is also against our principles and values. However, if you do make a mistake of asking be ready for flames.
If you want a feature in FOSS, please write one yourself, we are too busy bashing M$ and their puppets.
If you find a bug in FOSS, don't discuss it in this forum. This list is dedicated to abuse M$ and it's evil ways.
If FOSS is not getting adopted blame M$! </sarcasm>
Let thousand flames flourish! With regards,
Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) wrote:
Usalibilty in FOSS is f*** word so please don't ask. Usability is also against our principles and values. However, if you do make a mistake of asking be ready for flames.
Although that was within sarcasm tag, I couldn't resist. Have you heard about the Open Usability Project? Have you heard about KDE HIG? Have you heard about GNOME Usability Guidelines? Things have come a long way, if you are still stuck in the old world. A lot of FOSS projects have understood the importance on usability driven design and development, and have taken measures to have sound usability teams. KDE is one good example of it.
A strong brick is the one which has been burnt hard with flame. If you can't stand flame, be a cry baby and rather make use of it as a learning experience, then may god save you.
Well, this whole thread looks very much like a never ending troll. We have been through this lot of times and we know the outcomes. But people have their own freedom to waste their time, don't they!?
Dinesh Shah (????? ???/????? ???) wrote:
Here is the summery.
<sarcasm> When a newbie asks a question we will ask him/her to f*** up and RTFM.
I think you forgot to add 'shut the' before 'f*** up' or was it meant to be 'f*** off' ? :-D
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Dinesh Shah (????? ???/????? ???) wrote:
Here is the summery.
<sarcasm> When a newbie asks a question we will ask him/her to f*** up and RTFM.
I think you forgot to add 'shut the' before 'f*** up' or was it meant to be 'f*** off' ? :-D
What does it matter? Why can't we collectively take this positive experience forward and use this opportunity to discuss the strategies that have been adopted by people to take open source to various groups of people. This can give us another chance to put forth better initiatives after earlier ones like FOSS based cyber cafe and FOSS Lab failed. Nilesh could take us through the various things that he has experienced while going through with the project, be it positive or negative.Those will be helpful to analyse what worked, what did not and why. And how we could make use of those in our own ways.
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 21:15, Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) wrote:
Harsh,
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Harsh Busa harsh.busa@gmail.com
wrote:
can someone summarize this thread ? i m not sure if we are talking abt foss success stories anymore.
Real one true and fully unofficially licenced genuine advantage Summary: Not so newbie thinks 1) M$ popularised the desktop 2) is good at marketing Replies point to info showing things to be something else 4) Op thinks if M$ is popular and if it's not marketing it must be some other "thing" they do right - however he is cluless about this "thing" 5) Someone points out M$ unethical behaviour 6) Op confuses ethics, money making and business 7) Dinesh thinks anybody who corrects M$ crappy PR is an ogre and we should learn from M$ 8) Everbody is still wondering what is it that he wants us to learn 9) Inbetween everbody lets off some steam.
Here is the summery.
<sarcasm> When a newbie asks a question we will ask him/her to f*** up and RTFM.
We will blame all FOSS issues to M$ and their puppets.
Usalibilty in FOSS is f*** word so please don't ask. Usability is also against our principles and values. However, if you do make a mistake of asking be ready for flames.
If you want a feature in FOSS, please write one yourself, we are too busy bashing M$ and their puppets.
If you find a bug in FOSS, don't discuss it in this forum. This list is dedicated to abuse M$ and it's evil ways.
If FOSS is not getting adopted blame M$!
</sarcasm>
Let thousand flames flourish! With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog-1: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Blog-2: http://dineshah.blogspot.com/ Fran Lebowitz - "My favorite animal is steak."
On Wednesday 31 Dec 2008 11:35:50 am jtd wrote:
- Op thinks if M$ is popular and if it's not marketing it must be
some other "thing" they do right - however he is cluless about this "thing"
incidentally, the workers party of North Korea has won every single election in the last 50 odd years - usually bagging more than 99% of the polled votes - surely they must be doing something right (or *everything* right)
Not so newbie thinks
- M$ popularised the desktop
- is good at marketing
1.i don't think i really fancy myself as an authority of computing history so i respectfully forfeit .. 2. Good at marketing..actually great at marketing....nothing to show otherwise :/. The brand MS is way higher than brand linux which is only recently been seen as something of a "not so geeky" alternative!! ... SG
On Wednesday 31 Dec 2008 1:13:14 pm Sachin Gopalakrishnan wrote:
Not so newbie thinks
M$ popularised the desktop
is good at marketing
1.i don't think i really fancy myself as an authority of computing history so i respectfully forfeit .. 2. Good at marketing..actually great at marketing....nothing to show otherwise :/. The brand MS is way higher than brand linux which is only recently been seen as something of a "not so geeky" alternative!! ...
dont forget M$ had a huge headstart of about 15 years in the PC market. And 15 years, plus another 4-5 years for the linux desktop to get really usable, means 20 years in a field where a headstart of a few months is viewed as unbridgeable.
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