Sometime Today, A cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Please enable javascript in your browser. HBCSE site wont bite :) Its
what about lynx users?
Philip
Sometime on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 04:13:20PM +0530, Philip Tellis said:
Sometime Today, A cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Please enable javascript in your browser. HBCSE site wont bite :) Its
what about lynx users?
I take my words back. Though it works on lynx too.
On Tuesday 31 Jan 2006 4:13 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
Please enable javascript in your browser. HBCSE site wont bite :) Its
what about lynx users?
forget about them
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 04:21:52PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tuesday 31 Jan 2006 4:13 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
??Please enable javascript in your browser. HBCSE site wont bite :) Its
what about lynx users?
forget about them
Ah, story time. I recently built a web site. CSS for layout, few tables (for tabular data), XHTML strict... more or less. Due to IE's box model being different, I had to hack the CSS. So, the CSS won't validate. Then we found that one page -- just one page -- would cause a crash on IE if printed or print-previewed. I traced the problem to an absolutely positioned content div. At first I said "forget about IE" but then I worked around by having a print style sheet that didn't do absolute positioning. I couldn't allow printing of the header graphics either but arguably that's a good thing.
Sometime on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 04:21:52PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves said:
what about lynx users?
forget about them
Ignoring lynx users? I myself have been stuck in situations wherein i had to get the system up in the mid of night and i had only a shell with me. lynx helps when you need it.
Anurag
On Tuesday 31 Jan 2006 7:23 pm, Anurag wrote:
Sometime on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 04:21:52PM +0530, Kenneth
Gonsalves said:
what about lynx users?
forget about them
Ignoring lynx users? I myself have been stuck in situations wherein i had to get the system up in the mid of night and i had only a shell with me. lynx helps when you need it.
as already mentioned - i was out of line there
Sometime Today, KG cobbled together some glyphs to say:
what about lynx users?
forget about them
Actually, you can't. lynx users belong to a very large class of users. These include users of modern browsing devices including handhelds and mobile phones, blind users and users using assistive technology (and who can sue you for discriminating against them), web spiders (which get you onto search engines), and new avantgarde browsers.
If your site doesn't work in lynx first, there's no point making it work anywhere else. If you can't make a page that works on all devices, then there's a flaw in your development methodology (or you just don't know enough to be developing websites).
Philip
--- Philip Tellis philip.tellis@gmx.net wrote: If you can't make a page that works on all devices, then there's a flaw in your development methodology (or you just don't know
enough to be developing websites).
Philip
Considering that there are so many developers out there that do not bother to make their sites work properly across the major browsers and OSes, (some commercial sites such as airline companies refuse to work with firefox), expecting them to care about testing it on other devices would be expecting too much.
But then again, in a round about way, we are here because they do not take enough care. So we should not complain.
cheers abhi
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Sometime Today, AD cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Considering that there are so many developers out there that do not bother to make their sites work properly across the major browsers and
Like I said, they shouldn't be developing websites. They shouldn't be developing anything.
Considering that there are so many developers out there that do not bother to make their sites work properly across the major browsers and
Like I said, they shouldn't be developing websites. They shouldn't be developing anything.
Its their site, so shouldn't they have the "freedom" to do as they please.
--- à¤à¤¨à¤à¤¦ (Anand M R) libld.so@gmail.com wrote:
Considering that there are so many developers out there that do not bother to make their sites work properly across the major browsers and
Like I said, they shouldn't be developing websites. They shouldn't be developing anything.
Its their site, so shouldn't they have the "freedom" to do as they please.
No, that would be a lame ass excuse reeking of unprofessionalism.
Basic things (And it's not asking for a lot) to test would be whether your site works on (eligible permutations of) a) Low Res (800x600) and high res (1024x768) b) Firefox 1.5 +, MSIE 6+, and if possible Safari. c) Windows XP and say any flavor of linux.
And as Philip pointed out, if you care about spiders and the physically challenged, you take some extra effort.
By making it work only for MSIE (or any 1 system) , you are proclaiming to the world that you do not care for standards and compliance and reach. Which is fine. As you said, your choice. But you are losing out on a customer base and it basically is bad karma.
cheers abhi
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Sometime Today, AMR cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Like I said, they shouldn't be developing websites. They shouldn't be developing anything.
Its their site, so shouldn't they have the "freedom" to do as they please.
Yes, they can do what they want on their site as long as they keep it to themselves. If they want their site to be part of the rest of the internet, then they need to comply with standards.
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:33 +0530, आनंद (Anand M R) wrote:
Considering that there are so many developers out there that do not bother to make their sites work properly across the major browsers and
Like I said, they shouldn't be developing websites. They shouldn't be developing anything.
Its their site, so shouldn't they have the "freedom" to do as they please.
No, especially if the site caters to the mass. For example, some of the govt. web sites work only with IE.
On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 12:13:36AM +0530, Arun K. Khan wrote:
No, especially if the site caters to the mass. For example, some of the govt. web sites work only with IE.
I (in theory, after you trace things a little) work for a state government. Pretty soon all our web sites will be required to be Section 508 compliant, whatever that means. They also need to be valid HTML. Once those things are fixed, IE-only doesn't matter.
Not that anyone cares.
With most corporate web sites, it's a question of support. They don't want to have to support weird problems on every single random-ass browser out there. On the other hand, if it was standards-compliant xhtml, they wouldn't have to worry.
Buncha goddamn idiots.
Now look what you did, you've pissed me off.
On 1/31/06, Abhishek Daga abhishekdaga@yahoo.com wrote:
some commercial sites such as airline companies refuse to work with firefox
That's so true! I recently had to book online air tickets and the only browser these sites support is IE. Even Firefox on windoze won't work for them. We can actually sue them for that, but who has the time? :P -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sanket Medhi wrote:
That's so true! I recently had to book online air tickets and the only browser these sites support is IE. Even Firefox on windoze won't work for them. We can actually sue them for that, but who has the time? :P --
Suppose there were to be a law that...All hardware and software (including web/service providers) manufacturers must make their hw/sw compatible with atleast one GPL software platform so that users of that hardware or software are not compelled to buy a commercial software platforms....then how do we determine what is that one GPL platform that gets the crown, considering the wide freedom and diversity that exists in FOSS?
Regards,
Rony.
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Sometime Today, RB cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Suppose there were to be a law that...All hardware and software
free market economies don't work with laws like this.
Sometime on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:36:48PM +0530, Rony Bill said:
software platform so that users of that hardware or software are not compelled to buy a commercial software platforms....then how do we determine what is that one GPL platform that gets the crown, considering the wide freedom and diversity that exists in FOSS?
Crown the ones which are standards compliant. Almost all Free Softwares are standards compliant. In case of browsers, it can be W3C standards.
Anurag
Sometime Today, SM cobbled together some glyphs to say:
some commercial sites such as airline companies refuse to work with firefox
That's so true! I recently had to book online air tickets and the only browser these sites support is IE. Even Firefox on windoze won't work for them. We can actually sue them for that, but who has the time? :P
Alternately, you can figure out what's wrong, and fix it. Here... I've done it already: http://bluesmoon.livejournal.com/210396.html
On 1/31/06, Philip Tellis philip.tellis@gmx.net wrote:
Alternately, you can figure out what's wrong, and fix it. Here... I've done it already: http://bluesmoon.livejournal.com/210396.html
That goes for Kingfisher, but I was referring to Air Deccan. I guess the script will be different for the both of them. -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sometime Today, SM cobbled together some glyphs to say:
That goes for Kingfisher, but I was referring to Air Deccan. I guess the script will be different for the both of them.
It won't be too different. I don't fly Air Deccan, so it's not worth my time to either crib about or fix their site.
Sanket Medhi wrote:
On 1/31/06, Philip Tellis philip.tellis@gmx.net wrote:
Alternately, you can figure out what's wrong, and fix it. Here... I've done it already: http://bluesmoon.livejournal.com/210396.html
That goes for Kingfisher, but I was referring to Air Deccan. I guess the script will be different for the both of them.
I have used air deccan for buying tickets. There is something wrong with their IT infrastructure. Both with IE and Firefox I had huge difficulty in getting the server to book a ticket. This was irrespective of time (evening, morning, during office, early morning) and connection (I used dialup, wireless, even internet leased line at my client;s office). Only once I used their tickets. I have learned that next time use SpiceJet or Kingfisher. Someone who cant even bother to have proper IT infrastructure to cater to the public who come to thier website is not a company i will trust for flying with.
Regards Saswata
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sometime Today, SBA cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Someone who cant even bother to have proper IT infrastructure to cater to the public who come to thier website is not a company i will trust for flying with.
Definitely not with your credit card details ;)
On Wednesday 01 Feb 2006 9:59 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
to the public who come to thier website is not a company i will trust for flying with.
Definitely not with your credit card details ;)
he can always borrow someone else's
On Tuesday 31 Jan 2006 7:31 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
Actually, you can't. lynx users belong to a very large class of users. These include users of modern browsing devices including handhelds and mobile phones, blind users and users using assistive technology (and who can sue you for discriminating against them), web spiders (which get you onto search engines), and new avantgarde browsers.
If your site doesn't work in lynx first, there's no point making it work anywhere else. If you can't make a page that works on all devices, then there's a flaw in your development methodology (or you just don't know enough to be developing websites).
very true, my remark was more because i get irritated by looking at websites of institutes in india that were last updated 6 months ago and full of outdated junk - just curious, those dropdown menus can be done with css, would lynx be able to use that?
On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:22:58AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
very true, my remark was more because i get irritated by looking at websites of institutes in india that were last updated 6 months ago and full of outdated junk - just curious, those dropdown menus can be done with css, would lynx be able to use that?
Yes.
Sometime Today, KG cobbled together some glyphs to say:
and full of outdated junk - just curious, those dropdown menus can be done with css, would lynx be able to use that?
drop-down menus are implemented as unordered lists (think semantically, a menu is just a list of options). css and javascript are used to style a ul into a drop down menu. it's actually possible to do it with css only, but few people have mastered that art.
have a look at how livejournal does their menu in the userinfo/update page.
Philip
On Wednesday 01 Feb 2006 12:44 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
and full of outdated junk - just curious, those dropdown menus can be done with css, would lynx be able to use that?
drop-down menus are implemented as unordered lists (think semantically, a menu is just a list of options). css and javascript are used to style a ul into a drop down menu. it's actually possible to do it with css only, but few people have mastered that art.
here's a nice one:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/
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