Hi,
Let me first introduce myself. I have been a silent observer of this list for the past 1-2 years. Though I havent contributed anything to this list, I very much like the concept of Linux and Free Software. Unfortunately, for me I learnt about this long after I went for the microsoft certification which helped me to get a job. I work as a windows system admin (3 years) for living. After observing and readin a lot in this community and a little bit of personal experience with linux I wish to move into linux administration and personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that i have to use windows. That goes into a vicious circle. I find myself locked I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration.
What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions.
I wish to quit windows..now
I wish to quit windows..now
Install one of the easier versions of linux right away on your personal computer on a dual boot as you just cannot wean yourself away from Windows immediately. For e.g. if you are stuck in configuration of your internet connection (which i seriously doubt you will) then you can always log on to your windows box and google for answers.
ps: My primary assumption is you have no experience of *nix based systems. Even then it should not be hard these days.
Others might be better informed to let you know about the best linux distribution. As an almost newbie; i prefer Ubuntu, http://ubuntu.com.
Sachin G. Nambiar Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co.
--- Varadarajan V wrote:
Hi,
Hello
I wish to move into linux administration and personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
Two good websites 1. http://www.debianadmin.com/ 2. http://www.samag.com/
To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that i have to use windows. That goes into a vicious circle. I find myself locked I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration.
The above two websites should help you to some extent.
Find some more help here: http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/
There's a Oreilly book too http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/book/index.html
What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions.
I too would suggest, Ubuntu. If you don't have an internet connection (or are using dial up connection), I would recommend Mandriva (known to work /almost/ without problems) to begin with. Once you are familiar, you can try out others. If you wish to not disturb your existing setup, you can try out the Ubuntu LIVE CD / Knoppix LIVE CD.
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On Wednesday 17 January 2007 09:07, Roshan wrote:
--- Varadarajan V wrote:
I wish to move into linux administration and personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
Use ubuntu only for getting yourself familiar. Then start using Debian. That is because with Ubuntu you have to go to the net for downloading almost anything that is of interest to sysadmins and servers.
Varadarajan V wrote:
I have been a silent observer of this list for the past 1-2 years.
A lot are, so no problem in that :)
Unfortunately, for me I learnt about this long after I went for the microsoft certification which helped me to get a job. I work as a windows system admin (3 years) for living.
Nothing wrong in it, a lot of people here and in every LUG had/are working in Microsoft environments as well.
personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
I am not sure what you mean but just to let you know if you did not, *We*, i.e. the FOSS community, are not people who *hate* M$ or any other organization/corporate for that matter. We are admirers/followers of the Freedom Software and its ideas. Although our ideas/principles/way of life are quite contrasting and often opposing to the proprietary software, there is nothing called *hatred*. Its just that we do no believe/interested in proprietary software ideas and we live with our own and as rather a bigger, successful, better community. Though pro-windoze sentiments gets flamed here, we do not preach anti-windows sentiments in our community.
To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that i have to use windows.
There are a lot of people who use Windows in their day-to-day life, along with GNU/Linux and if you are using a *legal* copy of Windows its not a *sin*.
I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration.
Yes, in FOSS world only skill level matters, i.e. how much you know and can do, but opportunity will be provided to learn and excel. And for that matter, we are all n00bs too, for every thing we know there are atleast a dozen things to learn more :)
What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions. I wish to quit windows..now
Its not a one hour transformation from a way different environment into GNU/Linux. First try to get one/some distributions like Ubuntu/Mandrake/Fedora Core and try installing them. Then start using them, may be at evening+night at home, for your general browsing, mail checking, song hearing activities.. get used to it. Interact with us and know what we *do*. And it goes on... there is no concrete way of getting into GNU/Linux, experience is the only way.
On 17-Jan-07, at 9:09 AM, Parthan wrote:
I am not sure what you mean but just to let you know if you did not, *We*, i.e. the FOSS community, are not people who *hate* M$ or any other organization/corporate
I hate M$, Reliance, and many other organisations and corporation
for that matter. We are admirers/followers of the Freedom Software and its ideas
i dont follow anyon
I hate M$, Reliance, and many other organisations and corporation
why?
i don't think there's any question about why hate M$ :-) i don't think Reliance is any great shakes in terms in terms of either service or promoting FOSS.
as far as ``many others" go i'm sure there are quite a few and the hate is well justified.
Regards,
- vihan
i don't think there's any question about why hate M$ :-) i don't think Reliance is any great shakes in terms in terms of either service or promoting FOSS.
well i have no reason to defend RIL/ADAG or MS. But still non promotion of FOSS is not reason enough to HATE a company. Its such a strong term! :). Will you hate Infosys/WIPRO/TCS? We are straying away from the topic though ..
Sachin G. Nambiar Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co.
Will you hate Infosys/WIPRO/TCS?
i would hate them IF they forged alliances with companies who's primary motive is market monopolization and control. That goes against the principals of both FOSS, and a free market.
We are straying away from the topic
though ..
how many threads ACTUALLY start with one topic and stick to it throughout till the very end ? :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 14:20, Vihan Pandey wrote:
Will you hate Infosys/WIPRO/TCS?
i would hate them IF they forged alliances with companies who's primary motive is market monopolization and control. That goes against the principals of both FOSS, and a free market.
Err, guys, someone hating someone or something is a personal opinion. I'm not sure a `why' is the right question to ask against such an opinion. So let's just let it be alright?
We are straying away from the topic
though ..
how many threads ACTUALLY start with one topic and stick to it throughout till the very end ? :-)
Yeah, let's just help Varadarajan move away from Windows, shall we not?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:04:30 +0530, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, let's just help Varadarajan move away from Windows, shall we not?
Agreed :-)
oops .. no more why's from me!
Sachin G. Nambiar Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co.
Err, guys, someone hating someone or something is a personal opinion. I'm not sure a `why' is the right question to ask against such an opinion. So let's just let it be alright?
sure, my questioned stemmed from curiosity thats all! didn't expect it to take such a turn. :). Perhaps this wasn't the right forum for it!
Yeah, let's just help Varadarajan move away from Windows, shall we not?
Aren't we?
On 1/17/07, Sachin G Nambiar bomlug@snambiar.com wrote:
Yeah, let's just help Varadarajan move away from Windows, shall we not?
Aren't we?
A LOT. Thank you very much. :-)
Regards, Raj
On 17-Jan-07, at 2:20 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
how many threads ACTUALLY start with one topic and stick to it throughout till the very end ? :-)
topic? whats a topic?
On 17-Jan-07, at 1:53 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote:
Reliance is any great shakes in terms in terms of either service or promoting FOSS.
well i have no reason to defend RIL/ADAG or MS. But still non promotion of FOSS is not reason enough to HATE a company. Its such a strong term! :). Will you hate Infosys/WIPRO/TCS? We are straying away from the topic though ..
my opinion of reliance has nothing to do with FOSS or not - and TCS is also on my list ... not as bad as reliance though
Vihan Pandey wrote:
I hate M$, Reliance, and many other organisations and corporation
why?
i don't think there's any question about why hate M$ :-) i don't think Reliance is any great shakes in terms in terms of either service or promoting FOSS.
From what i've heard from an ex-reliance employee is that they make a good effort to ensure that linux users can easily use their services. Why?? i wouldn't know.
Surely i dislike reliance (i wouldn't want one entity controlling my communication, electricity, fuel etc..) but yet i use reliance energy and a reliance cell simply because:
a. Residential consumers unlike industrial / commercial users yet can't switch electricity providers. b. The call quality and coverage on reliance (from my point of view) is far better than hutch (dropped calls, cross communication anyone) and bpl.. others like airtel and mtnl don't even qualify.. am unsure about tata indicom.
char annas, - dhawal
i don't think there's any question about why hate M$ :-) i don't think Reliance is any great shakes in terms in terms of either service or promoting FOSS.
From what i've heard from an ex-reliance employee is that they make a good effort to ensure that linux users can easily use their services. Why?? i wouldn't know.
Really? There was a major fiasco a while back regarding their dialer software for connecting via GNU/Linux. They made an RPM version tailored to Red Hat 8 which gave problems on other distro's and even later versions of Red Hat. On asking for support, the users were just left high and dry. i haven't followed up on that story since then.
Surely i dislike reliance (i wouldn't want one entity controlling my
communication, electricity, fuel etc..) but yet i use reliance energy and a reliance cell simply because:
Monopoly = Dictatorship => we get screwed.
a. Residential consumers unlike industrial / commercial users yet can't
switch electricity providers.
true, there is SIMPLY no choice.
b. The call quality and coverage on reliance (from my point of view) is
far better than hutch (dropped calls, cross communication anyone) and bpl.. others like airtel and mtnl don't even qualify.. am unsure about tata indicom.
Wait till you see the wonderful bills of calls never made. Though its a lot better now than previously.
Regards,
- vihan
Vihan Pandey wrote:
i don't think there's any question about why hate M$ :-) i don't think Reliance is any great shakes in terms in terms of either service or promoting FOSS.
From what i've heard from an ex-reliance employee is that they make a good effort to ensure that linux users can easily use their services. Why?? i wouldn't know.
Really? There was a major fiasco a while back regarding their dialer software for connecting via GNU/Linux. They made an RPM version tailored to Red Hat 8 which gave problems on other distro's and even later versions of Red Hat. On asking for support, the users were just left high and dry. i haven't followed up on that story since then.
At least they made an effort, can any other ISPs claim that? the base RPM (ideally) should have worked on newer systems with a little ldd and rpm2cpio magic.
Surely i dislike reliance (i wouldn't want one entity controlling my
communication, electricity, fuel etc..) but yet i use reliance energy and a reliance cell simply because:
Monopoly = Dictatorship => we get screwed.
Finally we agree..
a. Residential consumers unlike industrial / commercial users yet can't
switch electricity providers.
true, there is SIMPLY no choice.
Wow, we agree again..
b. The call quality and coverage on reliance (from my point of view) is
far better than hutch (dropped calls, cross communication anyone) and bpl.. others like airtel and mtnl don't even qualify.. am unsure about tata indicom.
Wait till you see the wonderful bills of calls never made. Though its a lot better now than previously.
one word 'prepaid'.. i made a choice to never see a phone bill again.. and yes i know they can deduct balance without notice/reason, but so far i have nothing to complain (except the b******s at webworld, who i had to interact for an instrument change).
- dhawal
At least they made an effort, can any other ISPs claim that?
true :-)
the base
RPM (ideally) should have worked on newer systems with a little ldd and rpm2cpio magic.
only after causing much dependency chaos :-) Why disrupt everything else to make one thing work. FOSS principals on how version control and change management of packages should be is flawless, but they they just didn't follow it.
Surely i dislike reliance (i wouldn't want one entity controlling my
communication, electricity, fuel etc..) but yet i use reliance energy and a reliance cell simply because:
Monopoly = Dictatorship => we get screwed.
Finally we agree..
i suppose we do :-)
a. Residential consumers unlike industrial / commercial users yet can't
switch electricity providers.
true, there is SIMPLY no choice.
Wow, we agree again..
yeah we do :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 14:42 +0530, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
At least they made an effort, can any other ISPs claim that? the base RPM (ideally) should have worked on newer systems with a little ldd and rpm2cpio magic.
Agreed. Atleast Reliance makes some effort to accommodate all kinds of users and alternative OSes. All other ISPs viz. Pacenet, 7star, VSNL etc... do nothing for us Linux users...
one word 'prepaid'.. i made a choice to never see a phone bill again.. and yes i know they can deduct balance without notice/reason, but so far i have nothing to complain (except the b******s at webworld, who i had to interact for an instrument change).
But you also dont have any choice of handset. Besides the after sales of Nokia / LG is pathetic. Why oh why would anybody want to use Reliance prepaid when Hutch prepaid is available =P
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 14:42 +0530, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
At least they made an effort, can any other ISPs claim that? the base RPM (ideally) should have worked on newer systems with a little ldd and rpm2cpio magic.
Agreed. Atleast Reliance makes some effort to accommodate all kinds of users and alternative OSes. All other ISPs viz. Pacenet, 7star, VSNL etc... do nothing for us Linux users...
one word 'prepaid'.. i made a choice to never see a phone bill again.. and yes i know they can deduct balance without notice/reason, but so far i have nothing to complain (except the b******s at webworld, who i had to interact for an instrument change).
But you also dont have any choice of handset. Besides the after sales of Nokia / LG is pathetic. Why oh why would anybody want to use Reliance prepaid when Hutch prepaid is available =P
Cell phones are use and throw, the after sales service for nokia/lg/others is as bad for cdma as it is for gsm. Also notice that the 2nd hand cell market is slowing down (not really, it opening newer markets in rural areas) as newer cellphones are now dirt cheap..
i opted for reliance due to better coverage and better call quality (my experience). BTW, i currently use a cheapie chinese ZTE handset that cost me Rs. 1100/-
On 17-Jan-07, at 2:42 PM, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
At least they made an effort, can any other ISPs claim that? the base RPM (ideally) should have worked on newer systems with a little ldd and rpm2cpio magic.
as the guy who started the reliance topic - it was not talking about reliance as an isp or reliance as a phone company - it is the reliance philosophy in general. And I became allergic to it long before it became an isp/phone company. Possibly only JTD and me were born then ...
Monopoly = Dictatorship => we get screwed.
Reliance is not going to be a dictator ever. Would have been possible during the license Raj but not now. There are far too many options too choose rom. And monopoly is very difficult to achieve! Even a cartel (with reference to an alliance statement by Vihan) will stick only across the supply chain and not amongst players in the same market.
It's difficult even in a duopolistic situation! Pepsi- Coke.
To cite another instance; the OPEC cartel formed in the 1980's broke down pretty soon.
It's only a matter of time before some smaller/larger player/s change the rules of the game. Case in point FOSS over proprietory software.
Sachin G. Nambiar Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co.
Monopoly = Dictatorship => we get screwed.
Reliance is not going to be a dictator ever. Would have been possible during the license Raj but not now. There are far too many options too choose rom.
Are you referring to the cell phone service or to electricity(in certain areas) as well?
And monopoly is very difficult to achieve! Even a cartel (with
reference to an alliance statement by Vihan) will stick only across the supply chain and not amongst players in the same market.
Why not?
It's difficult even in a duopolistic situation! Pepsi- Coke.
Is it? From what i see either side took over or destroyed local competing brands the world over. The result - only these two remain with no REAL competition.
To cite another instance; the OPEC cartel formed in the 1980's broke down
pretty soon.
Not really, OPEC was formed in the 1960's is still very much alive only the Arab republics won't try their stunts of the 1970's that easily due to complex ``political alliances" in the middle east. If they choose to cut/increase production that DOES has a direct impact on the world economy.
It's only a matter of time before some smaller/larger player/s change the
rules of the game. Case in point FOSS over proprietory software.
Exactly. But rather then sitting for them to come up front one ought to either start something or vocally oppose those who are potential threats.
Regards,
- vihan
Reliance is not going to be a dictator ever. Would have been possible during the license Raj but not now. There are far too many options too choose rom.
Are you referring to the cell phone service or to electricity(in certain areas) as well?
to both. If reliance has a monopoly in certain areas its only a matter of time before someone walks right in. If there is money to be made, any organization with enough money and resources will jump in. This is not hard since we have opened our markets up.
And monopoly is very difficult to achieve! Even a cartel (with
reference to an alliance statement by Vihan) will stick only across the supply chain and not amongst players in the same market.
Why not?
Because sooner or later the alliance will break with one or more of the members will try and make a quick profit. While a cartel looks good on paper its very very difficult to achieve in a capitalistic market.
This is so because having a cartel will mean controlling of prices, which infact will have a bearing on the profitability. If the prices are the same the players will try and reduce their costs by cheaper sourcing or better supply chain. Sooner or later profitability will boil back down to the prices with one or more members selling at a cheaper rate and making a quick profit or increasing their market share. To counter this the other members will break away too. Thats why :)
It's difficult even in a duopolistic situation! Pepsi- Coke.
Is it? From what i see either side took over or destroyed local competing brands the world over. The result - only these two remain with no REAL competition.
No monopolism. It officially remains a duopoly. Local entrepreneurs in Jaipur and other parts bottle their own wares in coke/pepsi bottles. you can find such bottles in hyderabad. So basically it has two players in the market and numerous in the grey market.
Also if you notice their market has been eaten into by several smaller players in a different market, bottled water, fruit based drinks, even milk by nestle. They face competition from these players. Beautiful thing is as a consumer we have so much of choice! :)
If they choose to
cut/increase production that DOES has a direct impact on the world economy.
The cartel is very much alive, but they do not and really cannot control prices. So the question of them screwing you up by forming a monopoly does not arise. Besides, the earlier experience increased the resolve by other countries to look for alternate sources of energy. US has found oil wells (i think in nevada - too lazy to google) but has currently put it's extraction activities on hold/minimal use. Plus emerging oil corporations like ONGC, Reliance etc breaks OPECS supposed monopoly.
Exactly. But rather then sitting for them to come up front one ought to either start something or vocally oppose those who are potential threats.
The world will always have entreprenurs thankfully :). Vocally opposing monopolies is somehow not in line with my thinking. Start something .. ha now that is what i totally and wholeheartedly agree with!!
ps: apologies for the wrong decade!
Sachin G. Nambiar Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co.
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 14:09, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
From what i've heard from an ex-reliance employee is that they make a good effort to ensure that linux users can easily use their services. Why?? i wouldn't know.
Rubbish. They took pppconfig (afair) and modified it to install /etc/chatscripts/reliance and would not release the code or even say 'reliance' was the only file required. Never mind that u could just copy at+CRM=1;$LGPKT=3 to any dialers conf file and make it work.
jtd wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 14:09, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
From what i've heard from an ex-reliance employee is that they make a good effort to ensure that linux users can easily use their services. Why?? i wouldn't know.
Rubbish. They took pppconfig (afair) and modified it to install /etc/chatscripts/reliance and would not release the code or even say 'reliance' was the only file required. Never mind that u could just copy at+CRM=1;$LGPKT=3 to any dialers conf file and make it work.
And did any other ISP do even this much for linux users? I never claimed they wrote something from scratch. And did you bother to document the workaround / solution and share it with others?
Proof will be enough to shut me up.. i have no love of reliance, but i think the are doing a decent job OR at least tried doing one (they all do until they get a majority of the subscribers and then leech them).
can we EOT this?? we have a new enthusiastic user to help.
- dhawal
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 17:20, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
jtd wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 14:09, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
From what i've heard from an ex-reliance employee is that they make a good effort to ensure that linux users can easily use their services. Why?? i wouldn't know.
Rubbish. They took pppconfig (afair) and modified it to install /etc/chatscripts/reliance and would not release the code or even say 'reliance' was the only file required. Never mind that u could just copy at+CRM=1;$LGPKT=3 to any dialers conf file and make it work.
And did any other ISP do even this much for linux users? I never claimed they wrote something from scratch.
IF they wanted compatability they would have just documented the 2 lines. And btw that too happened cause a very large potential customer wanted to run linux. They were at the time running M$ pptp on the backend, with some insane configuration.
And did you bother to document the workaround / solution and share it with others?
Check the list archives.
Proof will be enough to shut me up.. i have no love of reliance, but i think the are doing a decent job OR at least tried doing one
They werent. But except for the closed pppconfig (which they later opened) it was atleast not deliberate.
can we EOT this?? we have a new enthusiastic user to help.
yessir ;-)
On 17-Jan-07, at 11:40 AM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote:
I hate M$, Reliance, and many other organisations and corporation
why?
their business ethics suck
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 09:09, Parthan wrote:
personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
I am not sure what you mean but just to let you know if you did not, *We*, i.e. the FOSS community, are not people who *hate* M$ or any other organization/corporate for that matter.
Wrong. M$ interferes with every sane standard and method of working with computers. Which gives me and my customers unneccessary problems. I am therfore completely disgusted with this company.
Its just that we do no believe/interested in proprietary software ideas and we live with our own and as rather a bigger, successful, better community. Though pro-windoze sentiments gets flamed here, we do not preach anti-windows sentiments in our community.
Not. Pro windows sentiment with supported with facts will recieve appreciation. But i suppose that is like asking for a blue moon.
On 16-Jan-07, at 9:11 PM, Varadarajan V wrote:
What should I do to make the switch?
start at home - then find a another job
Let me first introduce myself. I have been a silent observer of this list for the past 1-2 years.
Silence is golden. But personally i've never really cared much for gold ;-) Anyway its a good practice to observe a community and what it interacts about.
Though I havent contributed anything to this list,
I very much like the concept of Linux and Free Software. Unfortunately, for me I learnt about this long after I went for the microsoft certification which helped me to get a job.
Understandable.
I work as a windows system admin (3 years)
for living. After observing and readin a lot in this community and a little bit of personal experience with linux I wish to move into linux administration
Get some GNU/Linux CD's or DVD's. Select a distribution(there have been a few posts this week about a good distribution to start with).
People, i guess we ought to help Raj out.
Raj, after you have decided on a distribution just send a mail to the list about which one you seek and i'm sure you will get a reply on the same. We generally swap blank CD's/DVD's for one containg the distribution, the exchange is done at a mutually convinient place.
and personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
welcome to the club :-)
To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that
i have to use windows. That goes into a vicious circle. I find myself locked I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration.
Also understandable.
I wish to quit windows..now
Well, you've come to the right place.
Regards,
- vihan
Varadarajan V wrote:
To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that i have to use windows. That goes into a vicious circle. I find myself locked I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration.
What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions.
Hi. You did not mention whether you want to make the switch at home or office? What hardware do you use, what applications do you want to run?
Regards,
Rony.
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What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions.
I wish to quit windows..now
warning: shameless self promotion but trying to help! i run a weblog which logs my conversion to ubuntu. it might just help to go through once in a while.
Sachin G. Nambiar
Hi everyone,
First of all I thank you all for all your suggestions. Frankly, dint expect so many of you would reply so quickly. :-). This community is amazing.
I am sorry for not mentioning that I already use linux though havent learnt enough for system administration. I use FC 6 and a couple of live cds inclu. Ubuntu. Now I want to change it in my profession too. But I do not know what is required to be a linux professional.
I do not like microsoft for its "way of working". They take away my freedom, my right to knowledge. I can always ignore microsoft. That is what I am trying to do. I prefer to put my efforts in learning and contributing to linux and wish to quit windows completely.
I am not doing this because others do. I have been observing/reading a lot before I made a decision.
I hope I have not raised a wrong question at a wrong place.
Thank you all again.
Regards, Raj
Varadarajan V wrote:
Hi everyone,
First of all I thank you all for all your suggestions. Frankly, dint expect so many of you would reply so quickly. :-). This community is amazing.
I am sorry for not mentioning that I already use linux though havent learnt enough for system administration. I use FC 6 and a couple of live cds inclu. Ubuntu. Now I want to change it in my profession too. But I do not know what is required to be a linux professional.
excellent that gives you an advantage already.
I do not like microsoft for its "way of working". They take away my freedom, my right to knowledge. I can always ignore microsoft. That is what I am trying to do. I prefer to put my efforts in learning and contributing to linux and wish to quit windows completely.
true, plus for a administrator i hate the way event log works, makes troubleshooting a nightmare.
I am not doing this because others do. I have been observing/reading a lot before I made a decision.
Now put your observation / experience to practical use and take the plunge slowly but with confidence. It'll be difficult to find a job in linux administration without experience but here are a few tricks.
a. If it is in your control, change the local gateway to a linux machine and setup transparent squid and a caching nameserver on it (after due testing).. smile when users appreciate that Internet is faster that before. b. Setup a local file / print server with samba and migrate some users to it and later then entire company. c. Setup a local Instant messaging server.. if you have multiple locations, it's an excellent way to communicate rather than pick up a phone.
This way you'll get practical linux experience at your current job.. and will help your company reduce costs. See deepofix for an example at http://deeproot.in/deepofix/demo
I hope I have not raised a wrong question at a wrong place.
Nopes, not at all..
Thank you all again.
Regards, Raj
- dhawal
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 15:24, Varadarajan V wrote:
Hi everyone,
First of all I thank you all for all your suggestions. Frankly, dint expect so many of you would reply so quickly. :-). This community is amazing.
I am sorry for not mentioning that I already use linux though havent learnt enough for system administration. I use FC 6 and a couple of live cds inclu. Ubuntu. Now I want to change it in my profession too. But I do not know what is required to be a linux professional.
I learnt everything myself, so maybe I can help you point to the proper resources..
1. Get acquainted with the CLI. I suggest, even if you're a newbie, that you get a spare hard disk, with around 10GB space and try installing Gentoo[1]. Just install, get it to boot and try to configure Xorg and ALSA. That should be good enough. Don't dig too deep into Gentoo though. Gentoo does quite a few things differently. The Gentoo documentation[2] should help you a lot. Do not forget the wiki[3] either.
2. Get your hands on O'Reilly's Learning the bash Shell, 3rd Edition[4]. It's a great book that should get you going with bash.
3. While you're at it, refer to the man pages of any commands that come up. Don't worry about the obscure options too much. You'll get used to them.
4. Start with O'Reilly's UNIX Power Tools, 3rd Edition[5]. It'll help bigtime.
5. Now that you're fairly comfortable with the CLI, take a look at Running Linux, 5th Edition, O'Reilly[6].
6. Keep using Linux for a while. Try to do stuff from the CLI most times. Start visiting TLDP[7] and read through the various HOWTOs and Guides.
After all this, you should be a pretty good Linux user. You can then start with administration.
Oh and start hanging out in various channels on Freenode[8]. Drop in at #linux-india.
[1]: http://www.gentoo.org [2]: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml [3]: http://gentoo-wiki.com [4]: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/bash3/index.html [5]: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/upt3/index.html [6]: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/runlinux5/index.html [7]: http://www.tldp.org [8]: irc://irc.freenode.net
Varadarajan V wrote:
I do not like microsoft for its "way of working". They take away my freedom, my right to knowledge. I can always ignore microsoft.
What was the knowledge that Microsoft did not give you? As far as I know, it has a lot of documentation available about the working of Microsoft systems and their various settings.
Regards,
Rony.
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On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 22:20 +0530, Rony wrote:
What was the knowledge that Microsoft did not give you? As far as I know, it has a lot of documentation available about the working of Microsoft systems and their various settings.
I don't think Microsoft (or any closed source setup) ever gave any information about the working _of_ their systems. They only give information about working _with_ their systems. That is akin to saying that UB will tell you how to drink their beer but not how to brew it (Notice how cleverly I work in the 'free as in beer' angle :)
-gabin
I do not like microsoft for its "way of working". They take away my freedom, my right to knowledge. I can always ignore microsoft.
What was the knowledge that Microsoft did not give you?
Very true, they gave us the most valuable knowledge of all - How NOT to build an Operating System
Regards,
- vihan
Varadarajan V wrote:
Hi,
Let me first introduce myself. I have been a silent observer of this list for the past 1-2 years. Though I havent contributed anything to this list, I very much like the concept of Linux and Free Software. Unfortunately, for me I learnt about this long after I went for the microsoft certification which helped me to get a job. I work as a windows system admin (3 years) for living. After observing and readin a lot in this community and a little bit of personal experience with linux I wish to move into linux administration and personally I hate microsoft's way of working.
To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that i have to use windows. That goes into a vicious circle. I find myself locked
And you think linux OR anything else you do in life would be any different? For instance: Sachin Tecndulkar saying i have to keep myself trained in cricket and for that i have to play cricket.. Use linux or anything else for a living, the fun, ease of use and not because everyone else is doing so.
I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration.
Thats a chicken and egg situation in every field.
What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions.
So what do you do? first learn the basics. Try and do things that you've taken for granted in windows like: a. Starting up / shutting down / restarting b. Connecting to the Internet (that'll teach you networking basics). c. Take down notes like you do in notepad (vi, gedit, kate, emacs all beautiful tools in that order ;-) ) d. Remember you need to be a user first and then an administrator. e. Learn to create, destroy copy, move files and folders f. Learn to navigate without windows explorer (typing cd /somedir/, ls -l OR ll, cd ../someotherdir a hundred time does qualify) g. Remember you need to be a user first and then an administrator. h. Learn how hardware works in linux and how it is different from windows. i. Your troubleshooting skills ought to be similar as that on windows, just that tools and files and logs change.
I wish to quit windows..now
not possible.. Remember you need to be a user first and then an administrator. I am not trying to discourage you, just be practical linux is no better than windows when you are hungry. Take small baby steps one at a time till you learn walking and then running and one day you'll find you are free (from windows not taxes, linux admins have to pay taxes)
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