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On 10-Jan-07, at 8:07 PM, പ്രവീണ്|Praveen wrote:
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why not put it in the mumbai wiki - what benefit is there in having a private wiki? in fact you have some good content there, and i would suggest you shift it all to the mumbai wiki.
On 1/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
why not put it in the mumbai wiki - what benefit is there in having a private wiki? in fact you have some good content there, and i would suggest you shift it all to the mumbai wiki.
Or make a copy if you want your wiki active as well.
Regards,
2007/1/11, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
why not put it in the mumbai wiki - what benefit is there in having a private wiki?
It is not a private wiki (someone has to start it and it happened to be me). Just see the contributors (or recent changes) and you will se it has been active for some time now and there are many contributors.
in fact you have some good content there, and i would
suggest you shift it all to the mumbai wiki.
This wiki was there before the mumbai wiki and it is not just for the the
mumbai lug, but for the entire indian foss community.
Cheers Praveen
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On 11-Jan-07, at 11:50 AM, പ്രവീണ്|Praveen wrote:
why not put it in the mumbai wiki - what benefit is there in having a private wiki?
It is not a private wiki (someone has to start it and it happened to be me). Just see the contributors (or recent changes) and you will se it has been active for some time now and there are many contributors.
in fact you have some good content there, and i would
suggest you shift it all to the mumbai wiki.
This wiki was there before the mumbai wiki and it is not just for the the
mumbai lug, but for the entire indian foss community.
in that case advertise your wiki on the mailing list for the entire indian foss community. No doubt your wiki was there first - but now the lug wiki has got good mileage, but has a way to go. So please do not solicit contributions to a rival wiki on this list.
2007/1/11, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
in that case advertise your wiki on the mailing list for the entire indian foss community. No doubt your wiki was there first - but now the lug wiki has got good mileage, but has a way to go. So please do not solicit contributions to a rival wiki on this list.
There is no rivalry at all. fci wiki does the job similar to a DNS mainly,
collect all foss communities infos (wikis, maling lists ...) in one place. If you care to check the Mumbai community page at fci http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Mumbai it points to the mumbai wiki. Also if some info is common to all or there is no communities exist at some place they can use fci pages.
FOSS is about collaboration and not about competition.
Hope it clarifies.
Cheers Praveen
On 1/11/07, പ്രവീണ്|Praveen pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2007/1/11, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
in that case advertise your wiki on the mailing list for the entire indian foss community. No doubt your wiki was there first - but now the lug wiki has got good mileage, but has a way to go. So please do not solicit contributions to a rival wiki on this list.
There is no rivalry at all. fci wiki does the job similar to a DNS mainly,
collect all foss communities infos (wikis, maling lists ...) in one place. If you care to check the Mumbai community page at fci http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Mumbai it points to the mumbai wiki. Also if some info is common to all or there is no communities exist at some place they can use fci pages.
FOSS is about collaboration and not about competition.
Are there any wiki planets? since lot of the wikis seem to use media wiki.. i guess should be easy to cook a wiki-planet...or linking up rss feeds for wiki pages.?
Karunakar
in that case advertise your wiki on the mailing list for the entire indian foss community. No doubt your wiki was there first - but now the lug wiki has got good mileage, but has a way to go. So please do not solicit contributions to a rival wiki on this list.
Oh come on, we are all on the same side here :-) It would be great if there was a tool to rsync wiki articles on multiple wiki's all over the world.
Regards,
- vihan
On 11-Jan-07, at 1:49 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
in that case advertise your wiki on the mailing list for the entire indian foss community. No doubt your wiki was there first - but now the lug wiki has got good mileage, but has a way to go. So please do not solicit contributions to a rival wiki on this list.
Oh come on, we are all on the same side here :-)
precisely - so why duplicate efforts - what would he have lost by putting this on the mumbai wiki? I am sure there would be a much wider exposure and more contributions - especially as we are now in the wiki mode
Oh come on, we are all on the same side here :-)
precisely - so why duplicate efforts - what would he have lost by putting this on the mumbai wiki? I am sure there would be a much wider exposure and more contributions - especially as we are now in the wiki mode
Agreed :-) linuxers is the most fun and passion filled list i've seen so far. It would be reasonable to conclude that the wiki will also evolve to the same in time.
Regards,
- vihan
On 1/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
Oh come on, we are all on the same side here :-)
precisely - so why duplicate efforts - what would he have lost by putting this on the mumbai wiki? I am sure there would be a much
why have so many distributions ? why have so many os ? why have so many mailing list ? why have ilug bom why not just fsf.in ?
HRB
Kenneth Gonsalves
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On 11-Jan-07, at 2:35 PM, Harsh Busa wrote:
putting this on the mumbai wiki? I am sure there would be a much
why have so many distributions ? why have so many os ? why have so many mailing list ? why have ilug bom why not just fsf.in ?
because diversity is strenght
On 1/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 11-Jan-07, at 2:35 PM, Harsh Busa wrote:
putting this on the mumbai wiki? I am sure there would be a much
why have so many distributions ? why have so many os ? why have so many mailing list ? why have ilug bom why not just fsf.in ?
because diversity is strenght
similarly . this gentlemen and his buddies might have chosen some other site
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regards
Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon@au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On 11-Jan-07, at 3:27 PM, Harsh Busa wrote:
because diversity is strenght
similarly . this gentlemen and his buddies might have chosen some other site
but gentoo devels dont go to slackware mailing lists and ask for contributions
2007/1/11, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
but gentoo devels dont go to slackware mailing lists and ask for contributions
http://wiki.debian.org/Java/DevJam/2007/Fosdem
Collaboration between debian and fedora for packaging java just one example where collaboration happens across distros (see the wiki is on debian and the vent will be co-ordinated by Fedora developer and you can see gentoo devlopers signing up there).
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03765.html Also you might have seen Mark Shuttleworth asking opensuse developers to join ubuntu (though it stirred a lot of controversy and considered bad just wanted to point out that here)
Cheers Praveen
On 11-Jan-07, at 7:26 PM, പ്രവീണ്|Praveen wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/Java/DevJam/2007/Fosdem
Collaboration between debian and fedora for packaging java just one example where collaboration happens across distros (see the wiki is on debian and the vent will be co-ordinated by Fedora developer and you can see gentoo devlopers signing up there).
collaboration is what i am talking about - that you guys collaborate with us the build up the bom wiki - you are talking splittism - that we divert some effort to your wiki. Dont forget that this wiki grows out of *this* mailing list and *this* community. To grow your wiki please strengthen *your* mailing list and *your* community.
2007/1/12, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
collaboration is what i am talking about - that you guys collaborate with us the build up the bom wiki - you are talking splittism - that we divert some effort to your wiki. Dont forget that this wiki grows out of *this* mailing list and *this* community.
Exactly.
To grow your wiki
please strengthen *your* mailing list and *your* community.
My wiki is about all the commmunities be it bom, chennai, goa ... If you
care to check I have been posting the wiki link to all the lists which I'm a part of.
I don't see a yours and mine here. It is all about FOSS, that is why I'm active in Mumbai list even though I'm from Palakkad and based out of Bangalore.
Cheers Praveen
2007/1/11, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
because diversity is strenght
You said it.
On 12-Jan-07, at 12:52 AM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
because diversity is strenght
and a weakness...
i am talking of true diversity - rolling ones own application/patch/ distro/community - and not parasitic diversity or splittism
why have so many distributions ? why have so many os ? why have so many mailing list ? why have ilug bom why not just fsf.in ?
Not a completely accurate analogy :-)
Why are there so many distributions/os', because nearly each has a specific philosophy, and or commercial interest. Are there distro's who are just copying others for the sake of creating a distro, yes there have been but they don't do so well are die pre maturely. Natural selection prevails.
why have so many mailing list ? why have ilug bom why not just fsf.in ?
Well, i think that answer is pretty obvious :-)
ilug bom is a far more diverse list in terms of opinions, belief's, action and motive compared to fsf.in which has a singular well defined agenda as defined by their philosophical standpoint and its own action plan for the same.
In contrast, if you have a wiki which is essentially a public document open to CRUD(CReate Update Delete) and discussion, it evolves over a period of time. If you create two same topic Wiki's in two different places and they have will probably have different members editing them(as a single person will find it tedious to post the same thing in two places on regular basis) also what we write once is generally a spur of the moment thing - pretty instinctive. Will we have same feelings and passion doing it yet for the same document in another place? Probably not. If we forced ourselves to try as hard as possible to give the same content in the 2nd place as well it would be a clear waste of time and energy.
Never the less it would be an interesting behavioral study(just as a study) to have such a scenario, wherein you would have two Wiki's with would evolve (probabalistically) in a different(or similar) manners based on the environment(user tempraments, events, incidents etc) around them. The Wiki effectively becomes a barometer of the opinions and belief's of that system(set of people).
Regards,
- vihan
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 15:20 +0530, Vihan Pandey wrote:
ilug bom is a far more diverse list in terms of opinions, belief's, action and motive compared to fsf.in which has a singular well defined agenda as defined by their philosophical standpoint and its own action plan for the same.
so, are we back to being ilug-bom again? there I was convincing myself that glug-bom was a more beer friendly name.
-gabin
ilug bom is a far more diverse list in terms of opinions, belief's,
action
and motive compared to fsf.in which has a singular well defined agenda
as
defined by their philosophical standpoint and its own action plan for
the
same.
so, are we back to being ilug-bom again?
i guess i'll refer to the list as linuxers from now on :-) i've kind of been used to calling it ilug-bom - The Bombay(now Mumbai) GNU/Linux Users List.
there I was convincing myself
that glug-bom was a more beer friendly name.
No doubt about that - Bottoms Up GLUG...GLUG...GLUG... Hic!
Cheers!
- vihan
2007/1/11, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com:
In contrast, if you have a wiki which is essentially a public document open to CRUD(CReate Update Delete) and discussion, it evolves over a period of time. If you create two same topic Wiki's in two different places and they have will probably have different members editing them(as a single person will find it tedious to post the same thing in two places on regular basis) also what we write once is generally a spur of the moment thing - pretty instinctive. Will we have same feelings and passion doing it yet for the same document in another place? Probably not. If we forced ourselves to try as hard as possible to give the same content in the 2nd place as well it would be a clear waste of time and energy.
A wiki has articles and each wiki can link to other wik's articles. So even for the same topic there can have different articles.
Never the less it would be an interesting behavioral study(just as a study)
to have such a scenario, wherein you would have two Wiki's with would evolve (probabalistically) in a different(or similar) manners based on the environment(user tempraments, events, incidents etc) around them. The Wiki effectively becomes a barometer of the opinions and belief's of that system(set of people).
This is a good point.
Cheers Praveen
2007/1/11, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
Oh come on, we are all on the same side here :-)
Excatly.
precisely - so why duplicate efforts - what would he have lost by
putting this on the mumbai wiki?
I have not started that page (you can just check the history if you want to verify it). If I had copied that to mumbai wiki it would be a fork and then both will evolve on its on without syncing.
I am sure there would be a much
wider exposure and more contributions - especially as we are now in the wiki mode
Exactly for this reason I put the link in this list, linuxers is very
active list and I was sure to get more contributions.
Cheers Praveen
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