Hello All,
Having heard a lot about Mandriva 2007, I decided to try it out on my laptop. It loaded well. Before actual install, some device configurations were necessary to be done like display driver, boot manager (changing lilo to grub), and some minor settings. Installation was smooth. It detected everything except my wireless card but it gave a message with a url to download certain firmware packages and they (*.fw) were downloaded and saved to the /lib/firmware directory. However wireless setup was a Pain..ITA. There was no direct link to up/down the interface and its a long route via 'configure your computer'. The kde wireless manager is lousy compared to the one in Kubuntu. At one time I had to use command line to control the interface. However even though verything was setup in the ifcfg-eth1 file, sometimes the sudo ifup eth1 command would not work properly. The software updater cannot find any repo site. On the web too I found some mirror sites but no description to manually add them to the package manager. I have yet to try out multimedia.
In short, Kubuntu is much easier to configure and setup compared to Mandriva. "And the first prize goes to ....Kubuntu". Yeeaay.
Regards,
Rony
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On 11-May-07, at 9:01 PM, Rony Bill wrote:
command would not work properly. The software updater cannot find any repo site. On the web too I found some mirror sites but no description to manually add them to the package manager.
being an refugee from ubuntu, i searched for a way to manually add a new mirrior - couldnt find one. Then in manage-media, i clicked on 'add' and got a list of all the mirrors. Added a few and it was done
I have yet to try out multimedia.
In short, Kubuntu is much easier to configure and setup compared to Mandriva. "And the first prize goes to ....Kubuntu". Yeeaay.
/me thinks mandriva wins hands down
On 5/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
/me thinks mandriva wins hands down
/me thinks 'the one that works for *oneself* wins'
Sometime on Friday 11 May 2007 21:47, mehul said:
On 5/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
/me thinks mandriva wins hands down
/me thinks 'the one that works for *oneself* wins'
you dont mean gentoo, do you?
Anurag
Since when did Mandriva become a distro for experts? Last I tried it overwrote quite a few changes made manually and insisted on only using the GUI tools provided by them. Is it still that?
On 5/11/07, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
you dont mean gentoo, do you?
Nah I mean pirated windows :p
On 12-May-07, at 2:41 AM, mehul wrote:
Since when did Mandriva become a distro for experts?
certainly not for experts
Last I tried it overwrote quite a few changes made manually and insisted on only using the GUI tools provided by them. Is it still that?
yes - for example it will rewrite resolv.conf whenever it reconnects to the internet
On 5/11/07, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
you dont mean gentoo, do you?
Nah I mean pirated windows :p
what is software piracy?
On 5/12/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 12-May-07, at 2:41 AM, mehul wrote:
Since when did Mandriva become a distro for experts?
certainly not for experts
Wrong choice of words by me. I mean it tried to be newbie friendly just like ubuntu or sabayon linux or such. For experts, they can be more or less comfortable with most distros around.
Last I tried it
overwrote quite a few changes made manually and insisted on only using the GUI tools provided by them. Is it still that?
yes - for example it will rewrite resolv.conf whenever it reconnects to the internet
That it should, if you use dhcp. In my case, when I had tried it, I changed /etc/fstab manually via a text editor, which it overwrote and insisted changing the options only using the tools provided. There may have been work arounds to this but I've never probed into it.
what is software piracy?
Something that MS doesn't care of?
--- mehul wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
what is software piracy?
Something that MS doesn't care of?
Or possibly MS doesn't stretch its resources and money into going against it to the maximum or with highest priority. I hear, that's because, they want popularity, at cost some some losses. :-?
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On 12-May-07, at 10:41 AM, Roshan wrote:
what is software piracy?
Something that MS doesn't care of?
Or possibly MS doesn't stretch its resources and money into going against it to the maximum or with highest priority. I hear, that's because, they want popularity, at cost some some losses. :-?
promoting 'piracy' is an integral part of the M$ marketing plan
well, piracy or not. the freedom is still not there. I can't change the code or hire some one to do it. I get a new version with the previous buggs solved and a million more which are newly introduced. so unless there is a situation of no choice, we all must use free software. regards, Krishnakant.
On 5/12/07, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
well, piracy or not. the freedom is still not there. I can't change the code or hire some one to do it. I get a new version with the previous buggs solved and a million more which are newly introduced. so unless there is a situation of no choice, we all must use free software. regards, Krishnakant.
Currently we are enjoying the various joys of Windows Vista on my boss' new Vaio. He also got a virus by email (was it an office file attachment?) within the first week. The IT people could not locate how to add a printer, etc., but hey, they have been dumbed down after months upon months of servicing Windows installations, no?
By the way, I told my boss that his computer was slower as Vista needed to spy on him to check if he wasn't stealing music (him!?) or videos (what, him!!!?) etc. So he asked me why, and I told him that Vista is essential to entertainment companies, whose recommendation is essential to get Vista sold! And guess which electronics giant would be benefited the most by foisting Vista compulsorily on each new computer sold? No dropping names, guys! They might install a root kit on you at some movie theatre some day.
well about windows vista, I just have one thing to say. there is one difference between a gunda in a local train and windows vista. the thief or gunda in the local train snatches things by force. and windows vista does it in front of your open eyes. these big criminal jiants like m$ will never stop spying on you. so other than IT terrorists, these companies can't be described by some other name. and vista is another AK 47 in their hands to fire bullets at you. regards, Krishnakant.
On 12/05/07, Nishit Dave stargazer.dave@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/12/07, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
well, piracy or not. the freedom is still not there. I can't change the code or hire some one to do it. I get a new version with the previous buggs solved and a million more which are newly introduced. so unless there is a situation of no choice, we all must use free software. regards, Krishnakant.
Currently we are enjoying the various joys of Windows Vista on my boss' new Vaio. He also got a virus by email (was it an office file attachment?) within the first week. The IT people could not locate how to add a printer, etc., but hey, they have been dumbed down after months upon months of servicing Windows installations, no?
By the way, I told my boss that his computer was slower as Vista needed to spy on him to check if he wasn't stealing music (him!?) or videos (what, him!!!?) etc. So he asked me why, and I told him that Vista is essential to entertainment companies, whose recommendation is essential to get Vista sold! And guess which electronics giant would be benefited the most by foisting Vista compulsorily on each new computer sold? No dropping names, guys! They might install a root kit on you at some movie theatre some day. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Nishit Dave wrote:
Currently we are enjoying the various joys of Windows Vista on my boss' new Vaio. He also got a virus by email (was it an office file attachment?) within the first week. The IT people could not locate how to add a printer, etc., but hey, they have been dumbed down after months upon months of servicing Windows installations, no?
Servicing Windows installations requires its own way of doing things. Expertise levels depend on how much effort is put in to learn more.
By the way, I told my boss that his computer was slower as Vista needed to spy on him to check if he wasn't stealing music (him!?) or videos (what, him!!!?) etc.
Is he using vista ready hardware?
So he asked me why, and I told him that Vista is essential to entertainment companies, whose recommendation is essential to get Vista sold! And guess which electronics giant would be benefited the most by foisting Vista compulsorily on each new computer sold? No dropping names, guys! They might install a root kit on you at some movie theatre some day.
One day while we are watching movies, the spy software will be hypnotized into our brain and we may not even be aware of it. ;)
On Saturday 12 May 2007 10:41, Roshan wrote:
--- mehul wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
what is software piracy?
Freaking out with somebody elses code.
Something that MS doesn't care of?
Something that M$ does for a living.
Or possibly MS doesn't stretch its resources and money into going against it to the maximum or with highest priority. I hear, that's because, they want popularity, at cost some some losses. :-?
In lay man's land it's called dope peddling.
On 5/12/07, Roshan d_rosh2001@yahoo.co.in wrote:
I hear, that's because, they want popularity, at cost some some losses. :-?
I don't think they loose anything. Anyways we've gone off way too OT.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
being an refugee from ubuntu, i searched for a way to manually add a new mirrior - couldnt find one. Then in manage-media, i clicked on 'add' and got a list of all the mirrors. Added a few and it was done
Add shows two buttons, "official' and 'sources'. None of them opened any link. They gave errors. I had tried that before searching on the net.
On 12-May-07, at 9:55 PM, Rony wrote:
being an refugee from ubuntu, i searched for a way to manually add a new mirrior - couldnt find one. Then in manage-media, i clicked on 'add' and got a list of all the mirrors. Added a few and it was done
Add shows two buttons, "official' and 'sources'. None of them opened any link. They gave errors. I had tried that before searching on the net.
click sources - will show you about a hundred mirrors
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 12-May-07, at 9:55 PM, Rony wrote:
Add shows two buttons, "official' and 'sources'. None of them opened any link. They gave errors. I had tried that before searching on the net.
click sources - will show you about a hundred mirrors
If it showed mirrors, I would have written a different report. :)
On 13-May-07, at 12:28 PM, Rony wrote:
click sources - will show you about a hundred mirrors
If it showed mirrors, I would have written a different report. :)
a visit to an occulist may be in order
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 13-May-07, at 12:28 PM, Rony wrote:
click sources - will show you about a hundred mirrors
If it showed mirrors, I would have written a different report. :)
a visit to an occulist may be in order
Strange! If their servers are not accessible, we need to get our eyes tested? No need for that in Kubuntu.
On 13-May-07, at 10:51 PM, Rony wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 13-May-07, at 12:28 PM, Rony wrote:
click sources - will show you about a hundred mirrors
If it showed mirrors, I would have written a different report. :)
a visit to an occulist may be in order
Strange! If their servers are not accessible, we need to get our eyes tested? No need for that in Kubuntu.
stick to kubuntu
hello all, I would second roni's thoughts. ubuntu (or kubuntu for roni *smile *) is much easy to install and gives out of the box "it just works " facility for almost every thing. wifi for example, is absolutely painless. mandriva is as good as another distro and if you are an expoert you can give it a try. but for beginners, and for power users who want easy to use and a system which does not need you to be a hacker, ubuntu and its varients are the best. yes, ubuntu had problem with multi media but not now. in fiesty, just put a movy dvd in your dvd trey and being connected to inter net just see the "jadu". it will take all the codecs it needs and install it and with no tweeking, you get multi media support. the no1 accessibility facility comes with ubuntu and mandriva is far far behind in this matter. and as roni experienced, mandriva will give problems for many things beyond basic hardware. I have tried mandriva on a lot of machines but only a few are running stabilly. my sister for example uses an amd duron and mandriva gave a lot of problems while installing the printer for example. so the moral is that mandriva is no big miracle. just another distro if you like to hack around and do some neet stuff with proper tweeking. regards, Krishnakant.
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