On Wednesday 05 January 2005 18:56, Ashish Saboo wrote:
Terrence, I for one certainly look forward for a " Real Education " & this is the reason I am on this mailing list. Here I am
My earlier mail has been rejected due to size and i dont have a copy.
But in brief 1) we are talking and mixing multiple un related bussinesses and issues Training for end users and sys admins / service guys / installers Linux windows integration (u require highily skilled personnel) Social change Law 2) The individuals involved in piracy dont care. Their interests lie merely in making a fast buck. 3) Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm it has to be acceptable. 4) Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are not to blame for their woes.
The moment u want windows / linux integration u are escalating costs by orders of magnitude and reducing performance by an equal magnitude. However if you accept GNu/Linux machine with far greater functionality and stability as opposed to one with pirate stuff then things are completely viable. So
Cyber cafe assoc describe your setup Get your members to accept that they will not use illegal software Tell us what is the SLA u want and the price u are willing to pay.
Rony Bill, Crishna et all Tell us your SLA and your charges Tell the cybercafe boys what hardware he should buy or better still what hardware u will sell him. What backend services and systems you will provide.
All the hot air about social issues, poverty, personal gain metrics, difficulty of using linux et all will evaporate and put things in the right perespective Which is - the cybercafe guy is happy making his living at somone elses expense and our list cribbers are happy pretending that they dont need skills.
rgds jtd
Hello Group,
This thread is has completed its half century ( YES ! its 50 mails long ) . . . but many of us would have lost track of it how about someone writing summary ? so that we can take it to century ?
Happy Computing Harsh
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 10:57, sherlock@vsnl.com wrote:
But in brief
- The individuals involved in piracy dont care. Their interests lie
merely in making a fast buck.
Involved in what way? It is the customer who ultimately takes the decision if he wants to pay or get grey stuff. 'Free' software is not charged for, so no one is making money on it. The only one making money is the pirate.
- Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm it
has to be acceptable.
No that is not true. What is however true is that piracy has kept software prices low and more affordable. If there was a software sourcing monopoly, it would kill the customers. Without 'competition', the customer is at the mercy of the software company.
- Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are not
to blame for their woes.
Thats not true either. Every skill is important and yet different in its own way. Everyone is playing their role in promoting the computer industry. The software guys do it by writing programs and hardware drivers, the hardware guys do it by assemblying the hardware, loading the programs and drivers, installing and configuring the system at the client's place. The h/w guys also maintain the system under AMCs. The s/w guys keep developing new software and drivers. The s/w and h/w guys don't need to pull each other down, they need to work in tandem.
So Cyber cafe assoc describe your setup Get your members to accept that they will not use illegal software Tell us what is the SLA u want and the price u are willing to pay.
Thats a good suggestion.
Rony Bill, Crishna et all Tell us your SLA and your charges Tell the cybercafe boys what hardware he should buy or better still what hardware u will sell him. What backend services and systems you will provide.
I am not involved with cyber cafes. What is SLA?
I have some suggestions for a practical solution to this vexed issue.
1.The software experts in linux on this forum could have a meeting with the Lamington Road dealers or the Association itself and get atleast a few of them to tie up for selling linux compatible hardware. The investment is totally the shop owner's. For a reasonable fee decided between them, they will provide the dealers with information on the hardware's compatibility with what linux version, provide drivers which can be resold to the h/w customers for a small fee. This will kill two birds with one stone. Provide income to the software writers and provide linux ready h/w to the customers. The names of the shops should be advertised on this forum.
2. The LUG-BOM site itself could provide a source of lugger written drivers for a small/tiny/teeny-weeny affordable fee. The other luggers including I, can give their requirements for drivers they need for commonly used hardware and peripherials.
This should go a long way in making linux more popular in Mumbai atleast and keep everyone smiling and happy. :-)
Regards,
Rony.
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:14:53 +0530, "Rony Bill" ronbilly@hotpop.com said:
Involved in what way? It is the customer who ultimately takes the decision if he wants to pay or get grey stuff. 'Free' software is not charged for, so no one is making money on it. The only one making money is the pirate.
You want to read this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
<quote> The word ``free'' has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer either to freedom or to price. When we speak of ``free software'', we're talking about freedom, not price. (Think of ``free speech'', not ``free beer''.) Specifically, it means that a user is free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the program with or without changes.Free programs are sometimes distributed gratis, and sometimes for a substantial price. Often the same program is available in both ways from different places. The program is free regardless of the price, because users have freedom in using it. </quote>
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