nice to know that even big guys indulge ;-)
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
On 12/14/05, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@thenilgiris.com wrote:
nice to know that even big guys indulge ;-)
Ofcourse the big guys indulge ... where do you think we get our inspiration from!! The only difference between us and them is that they mostly *know* what they are talking about and we mortals argue and second-guess each-others opinions.
If you want to see the real landmarks check out the Minix-Linux debate http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html involving Linus or the Emacs-Xemacs schism http://www.jwz.org/doc/lemacs.html involving RMS.
Unfortunately our best hackers are also our biggest loud-mouths. Just remember that what you post on a mailing list will be preserved on the net for posterity - as a permanent monument to your rudeness and stupidity. You can apologize for it later (as you can see in the above examples) but you can never really take it back.
Just my 2p.
- farazs
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 10:42, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
nice to know that even big guys indulge ;-)
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
regards kg
Flame war or no flame war. I think Linus is right. Not because he is Linus but because he has pointed out correctly that GNOME sucks at functionality. What makes the M$ UI so easy to use is that there are a zillion ways to arrive at the the same result. *Here* the path taken from the starting point to the ending point matters a lot. For example, I find it very difficult to select files in GNOME's file dialog box simply because I have to search for the file and click it.
Where as in KDE or M$ Windoze, you can simply click any file and then press the first letter of your file and the box simply scrolls until you find your file... Its a zillion times faster.
Sometime on Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:10:16PM +0000, Dinesh Joshi said:
from the starting point to the ending point matters a lot. For example, I find it very difficult to select files in GNOME's file dialog box simply because I have to search for the file and click it.
Where as in KDE or M$ Windoze, you can simply click any file and then press the first letter of your file and the box simply scrolls until you find your file... Its a zillion times faster.
I can do the same thing in GNOME filechooser too. I just press first few characters and it goes to those files. I can also press CTRL-L to go to any arbitrary directory, Something which KDE wont do.
my 2 cents: Its just a matter of getting used to particular WM.
Anurag
2005/12/16, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 10:42, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Where as in KDE or M$ Windoze, you can simply click any file and then press the first letter of your file and the box simply scrolls until you find your file... Its a zillion times faster.
GNOME is much faster as you can type the filename's first characters and you are there. I used to press a letter again and again to navigate to a particular file (I dunno if it is there now and I don't know how it is in KDE as I don't use it). You doesn't know how to do it or it doesn't work the way it is in M$ doesn't mean that it cannot be done in GNOME or whatever WM.
KDE does things things similar to M$ while GNOME doesn't, that doen't mean KDE is better. GNOME does things differently than M$ or KDE and most of the times better than that. GNOME innovates (see the spatial file manager) and KDE copies :-)
Regards Praveen A PS: Flame intented Check our classic KDE-GNOME war on Swaroop's blog http://www.swaroopch.info/archives/2005/02/09/why-i-prefer-kde-over-gnome/ and http://www.swaroopch.info/archives/2005/02/09/it-finally-hit-me-why-mepis-de...
Finally we agreed on one thing that 'we all disagree' -- "GNU is the system, and Linux is the kernel." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr
On Friday 16 December 2005 14:11, प्रवीण् ए (Praveen A) wrote:
2005/12/16, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 10:42, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Where as in KDE or M$ Windoze, you can simply click any file and then press the first letter of your file and the box simply scrolls until you find your file... Its a zillion times faster.
GNOME is much faster as you can type the filename's first characters and you are there. I used to press a letter again and again to navigate to a particular file (I dunno if it is there now and I don't know how it is in KDE as I don't use it). You doesn't know how to do it or it doesn't work the way it is in M$ doesn't mean that it cannot be done in GNOME or whatever WM.
This is exactly the kind of attitude that is stopping Open Source softwares from growing. Dude, accept the plus points of M$ Windoze coz at the end of the day 95% of the PCs are loaded with Windoze (even though it sucks big time) and not GNU / Linux ;) BTW KDE too can navigate files using the "auto complete feature" (similar to the TAB in the command line).
One thing that we can learn from M$ is that they maintained _compatibility_ and once their OS reached a critical mass they started 'innovating'. Remember? Apple always accuses them of 'stealing' the concept of menus and stuff?
KDE does things things similar to M$ while GNOME doesn't, that doen't mean KDE is better. GNOME does things differently than M$ or KDE and most of the times better than that. GNOME innovates (see the spatial file manager) and KDE copies :-)
Did I say KDE is better? If GNOME works for you, use it. Just don't act like the GNOME fan boi. This *is* the world of Open Source and least you could do is keep your mind Open. And what if KDE copies M$? If it helps increase its subscriber base then so be it. The facts show that KDE much more popular amongst people migrating from Windoze platform...
Regards Praveen A PS: Flame intented
Yeah, right like I am gonna fall for this flame bait ;)
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