Message: 8 From: Bhargav Bhatt bhargav.bhatt@columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Group urges limits on open source Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:17:31 -0500 Reply-To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Kiran Nadgir wrote:
<nothing new>
---8<--- Yes yes nothing new.....nice to know that luggers are more interested in showing off their intelligence (egos actually) on the way msgs are posted rather than on the msg. Which gets me to ask myself a question....do these great intelligent people really care about GNU/Linux and this mailing list or do they care more about showing off their egos here. Yes i could've posted a link to the article instead of cutting and pasting the whole thing. BUT i pasted it because last time i had posted some link i had got a reply that the site required a passwd etc. So just to make sure no one faces any problems i pasted the WHOLE article. This takes me to another topic, Major problems in the world exist because people don't percieve things in the same way. Everyone has their own point of view about things. Even i have one but most of the times i don't let my EGO blurr the actual view. So yes i agree that i have posted mails with an unacceptable "signal to noise ratio" and i have changed that. But sometimes rather than following the HERD and coming up with such comments on someone you should try and think about all the possible reasons for a person to do something. And in this case i don't think i have done anything wrong . But as they say advice is something the wise don't give and the fools don't take ( i know people will reply to this specific statement of mine (thats my perception :) ) Yes i have realized that my mail signatures were unncessarily HUGE and have reduced it. But if someone still wants me to teach netiqutte this is what i would have to say to that person. @#!@#!#!
Kiran, =09Whats the point of just copying and pasting from websites and
filling=20
up our mailboxes? You would be far better off providing a short=20 paragraph and a URL for the article.=20
---8<--- Yes my dear friend i could've been better off..but i did this with a reason. and i really don't care what you have to say.
=09Also, by not making a mention of your source, you are violating the=20 copyright rights of cnet.com. Quoting their website, "Re-use of any of=20 CNET's editorial content and graphics online for any purpose is=20 strictly prohibited. The materials from CNET's sites are available for=20 informational and noncommercial uses offline only, provided the content=20 and/or graphics are not modified in any way, all copyright and other=20 notices on any copy are retained, and permission is granted by CNET.".=20 =09Please don't provide illegal(assumiing you have not obtained
explicit=20
permission from the source) documents on the mailing list and make us a=20 part of the *crime*. =09Also, the disclaimer attached to the email states that "This
message=20
(including any attachments) contains confidential information intended=20 for a specific individual and purpose". Does that not make your email=20 totally useless for any mailing list with more than one member. It=20 means that this email was meant only for the person who uses the=20 address linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in, and that all the rest of us=20 getting this message should "delete this message". Also the disclaimer=20 makes linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in, or whoever the list admin is, a=20 criminal because the disclaimer also states that "copying, or=20 distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it,=20 is strictly prohibited."
----8<---- <NOTHING NEW> I have already mentioned about this one my dear friend. If you don't want me on the list u can unsubscribe me anytime ......I am using my corp id because its convinient AND AGAIN FOR YOUR CONVINIENCE....THE GUIDELINES OF THIS LIST DON'T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT DISCLAIMERS. SO either make sure the guidelines are changed or just stop displaying your intelligence on this topic.
For those who want to read the article in its original form, its=20 available at the following link
-----8<---- Thanks for the link ....:) that was nice.
Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.
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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: kishor bhagwat aaaaarrrgghhh@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software license tied to human rights To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Reply-To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
--- Kiran Nadgir kirann@mahindrabt.com wrote:(nah..pasted)
---8<--- yes yes i pasted is that such a BIG problem ???
err..some ppl have already gently suggested some good things abt ur postings and mail sigs etc..
-----8<---- so whas u gonna try next my dear friend ??? I have a suggestion for LUG. The homepage should say. Welcome to GNU/LUG EGOISTS Users Group of Mumbai! because thats what is going on in this list most of the times....everyone has such a big EGO...cant u ppl for once let things be and just FOCUS on the message rather than the sender of the message. There are a lot of constructive stuff to be done rather than this EGO trips that keep happening. What are you guys trying to prove to each other. This mailing list is like the GOVERNMENT OF INDIA....most of the times rather than FOCUSSING on the issue...the FOCUS is on who created the issue...how dare he create the issue...why didnt he do it this way..this is how its to be done.....O CMONN...gimme a break....come out of this if u really want to do something for GNU/LINUX....don't worry so much about showing off ur intelligence through comments on how ppl are doing things......i believe all u ppl must be great techies..and thats what u shud be doing....focussing on what u r supposed to do.... and if anyone else has any problems with me cut pasting stuff or my mails...i'd want to be unsubsribed from this list. Thanks for teaching me a few things on netiqutte...but i guess a lot of people here have a lot to learn.... What they need to learn is understood i hope....
what kinda ppl are MBT hiring nowadays?
-----8<--- Atleast not the stupid kind like you. And listen kishor...u better not get personal on this one.....Is this what the entire LUG is all about... MUD slinging matches.....welll .....i hope u never have a Linux-Bombay...with such people....because it'll be more of an EGO Flashing trip than anything else.....I thought the lug had people who were above average in intelligence..but what i see is bunch of kiddos..fighting with each other. I hope this changes someday....And as for u kishor....u sound like u r constipated with that id of urs.....why dont u try some Isabgol... :)
regds, aaaaarrrgghhh
-----8<---- Freedom - Hehhehehehheehee.
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ah! some improvement..more signal than noise in this mail!! we're getting there....
--- Kiran Nadgir kirann@mahindrabt.com wrote:
Message: 8 From: Bhargav Bhatt bhargav.bhatt@columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Group urges limits on open
source
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:17:31 -0500 Reply-To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
Kiran Nadgir wrote:
<nothing new>
---8<--- Yes yes nothing new.....nice to know that luggers are more interested in showing off their intelligence (egos actually) on the way msgs are posted rather than on the msg. Which gets me to ask myself a question....do these great intelligent people really care about GNU/Linux and this mailing list or do they care more about showing off their egos here. Yes i could've posted a link to the article instead of cutting and pasting the whole thing. BUT i pasted it because last time i had posted some link i had got a reply that the site required a passwd etc. So just to make sure no one faces any problems i pasted the WHOLE article. This takes me to another topic, Major problems in the world exist because people don't percieve things in the same way. Everyone has their own point of view about things. Even i have one but most of the times i don't let my EGO blurr the actual view. So yes i agree that i have posted mails with an unacceptable "signal to noise ratio" and i have changed that. But sometimes rather than following the HERD and coming up with such comments on someone you should try and think about all the possible reasons for a person to do something. And in this case i don't think i have done anything wrong . But as they say advice is something the wise don't give and the fools don't take ( i know people will reply to this specific statement of mine (thats my perception :) ) Yes i have realized that my mail signatures were unncessarily HUGE and have reduced it. But if someone still wants me to teach netiqutte this is what i would have to say to that person. @#!@#!#!
Kiran, =09Whats the point of just copying and pasting from
websites and filling=20
up our mailboxes? You would be far better off providing
a short=20
paragraph and a URL for the article.=20
---8<--- Yes my dear friend i could've been better off..but i did this with a reason. and i really don't care what you have to say.
=09Also, by not making a mention of your source, you
are violating the=20
copyright rights of cnet.com. Quoting their website,
"Re-use of any of=20
CNET's editorial content and graphics online for any
purpose is=20
strictly prohibited. The materials from CNET's sites
are available for=20
informational and noncommercial uses offline only,
provided the content=20
and/or graphics are not modified in any way, all
copyright and other=20
notices on any copy are retained, and permission is
granted by CNET.".=20
=09Please don't provide illegal(assumiing you have not
obtained explicit=20
permission from the source) documents on the mailing
list and make us a=20
part of the *crime*. =09Also, the disclaimer attached to the email states
that "This message=20
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information intended=20
for a specific individual and purpose". Does that not
make your email=20
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member. It=20
means that this email was meant only for the person who
uses the=20
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rest of us=20
getting this message should "delete this message". Also
the disclaimer=20
makes linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in, or whoever the list
admin is, a=20
criminal because the disclaimer also states that
"copying, or=20
distribution of this message, or the taking of any
action based on it,=20
is strictly prohibited."
----8<----
<NOTHING NEW> I have already mentioned about this one my dear friend. If you don't want me on the list u can unsubscribe me anytime ......I am using my corp id because its convinient AND AGAIN FOR YOUR CONVINIENCE....THE GUIDELINES OF THIS LIST DON'T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT DISCLAIMERS. SO either make sure the guidelines are changed or just stop displaying your intelligence on this topic. > > For those who want to read the article in its original form, its=20 > available at the following link > > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-975578.html?tag=3Dfd_top >
-----8<---- Thanks for the link ....:) that was nice.
Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like
Yoda." - Anonymous.
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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: kishor bhagwat aaaaarrrgghhh@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software license tied to human rights To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Reply-To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
--- Kiran Nadgir kirann@mahindrabt.com wrote:(nah..pasted)
---8<--- yes yes i pasted is that such a BIG problem ???
err..some ppl have already gently suggested some good things abt ur postings and mail sigs etc..
-----8<---- so whas u gonna try next my dear friend ??? I have a suggestion for LUG. The homepage should say. Welcome to GNU/LUG EGOISTS Users Group of Mumbai! because thats what is going on in this list most of the times....everyone has such a big EGO...cant u ppl for once let things be and just FOCUS on the message rather than the sender of the message. There are a lot of constructive stuff to be done rather than this EGO trips that keep happening. What are you guys trying to prove to each other. This mailing list is like the GOVERNMENT OF INDIA....most of the times rather than FOCUSSING on the issue...the FOCUS is on who created the issue...how dare he create the issue...why didnt he do it this way..this is how its to be done.....O CMONN...gimme a break....come out of this if u really want to do something for GNU/LINUX....don't worry so much about showing off ur intelligence through comments on how ppl are doing things......i believe all u ppl must be great techies..and thats what u shud be doing....focussing on what u r supposed to do.... and if anyone else has any problems with me cut pasting stuff or my mails...i'd want to be unsubsribed from this list. Thanks for teaching me a few things on netiqutte...but i guess a lot of people here have a lot to learn.... What they need to learn is understood i hope....
what kinda ppl are MBT hiring nowadays?
-----8<--- Atleast not the stupid kind like you. And listen kishor...u better not get personal on this one.....Is this what the entire LUG is all about... MUD
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Kiran declared...
This takes me to another topic, Major problems in the world exist because people don't percieve things in the same way. Everyone has their own point of view about things. Even i have one but most of the times i don't let my EGO blurr the actual view.
I have a philosophical question..if you have a view..its your view, then is it the actual view? How do you differentiate the 'actual' view from your view?
So yes i agree that i have posted mails with an unacceptable "signal to noise ratio" and i have changed that. But sometimes rather than following the HERD and coming up with such comments on someone you should try and think about all the possible reasons for a person to do something.
shucks...i thought and i thought...the most plausible reason i could come up with was that - you just didnt think before posting....
And in this case i don't think i have done anything wrong.
There is no right or wrong in this world.Only appropriate and inappropriate ;-) So..you are right..you havent done anything 'wrong',
But as they say advice is something the wise don't give and the fools don't take ( i know people will reply to this specific statement of mine (thats my perception :) ) Yes i have realized that my mail signatures were unncessarily HUGE and have reduced it.
so are you saying ur the fool or the wise?
I have already mentioned about this one my dear friend. If you don't want me on the list u can unsubscribe me anytime ......I am using my corp id because its convinient AND AGAIN FOR YOUR CONVINIENCE....THE GUIDELINES OF THIS LIST DON'T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT DISCLAIMERS. SO either make sure the guidelines are changed or just stop displaying your intelligence on this topic.
i, for one, definitely vote for your entertaining presence on the list....
ciao! aaaaarrrgghhh
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kishor bhagwat wrote: [snip]
And in this case i don't think i have done anything wrong.
There is no right or wrong in this world.Only appropriate and inappropriate ;-) So..you are right..you havent done anything 'wrong',
[snip] But if there is not right or wrong in this world, how can he be "right"? :->
Hi,
I recently installed red hat 7.2, and notices that my entries in /etc/fstab get changed after every reboot.
I am not 100% sure, but I think the dir I created under /mnt also disappears.
I had no such problems in 6.2. What has changed ?
Thanks Shahed
PS : Where do I search the list archives ? The last time I looked, I saw no means of doing a web search on the archive.
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Shahed Moolji wrote:
I recently installed red hat 7.2, and notices that my entries in /etc/fstab get changed after every reboot.
pretty strange. could you give us the contents of /etc/fstab immediately before and after the reboot. Also show the output of ls -lc /etc/fstab before and after, and the exact time (according to your system) of the reboot.
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Shahed Moolji wrote:
PS : Where do I search the list archives ? The last time I looked, I saw no means of doing a web search on the archive.
http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/linuxers/
This url isn't on the listinfo page yet simply because I haven't had the time to put it there.
Philip
Hi Guys,
When & where is the lug meet scheduled this time. PPl from SLUG would also like to come to Mumbai and attend it.
Please post the location and date, asap.
Navin Dhanuka
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Is it confirmed.
We can have a LUG meet at KReSIT, IIT Bombay on the 8th of Dec if all
N.D.
--- "N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a" navin_dhanuka@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Guys,
When & where is the lug meet scheduled this time. PPl from SLUG would also like to come to Mumbai and attend it.
Please post the location and date, asap.
Navin Dhanuka
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On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 10:03:36PM -0800, N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a wrote:
When & where is the lug meet scheduled this time. PPl from SLUG would also like to come to Mumbai and attend it.
Venue: KReSIT, IIT Bombay Date: Sunday, 8th Dec 2002 Time: 4pm
You can get directions from the KReSIT webpage http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/
I think 4pm is better, since that will give us 3hrs so that people can push off by 7pm.
Sameer.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 10:03:36PM -0800, N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a wrote:
push off by 7pm.
I would prefer at 4pm as well.
Sameer.
MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay.
Do what comes naturally. Seethe and fume and throw a tantrum.
kishor bhagwat aaaaarrrgghhh@yahoo.com writes:
ah! some improvement..more signal than noise in this mail!! we're getting there....
I would be interested to hear your justification in sending an extremely large untrimmed top posted mail. I have just received hundreds of extra and irrelevant lines of a message which I had already received.
Talk about nettiquet & the sig->noise ratio.
Bah.
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, kishor bhagwat wrote:
ah! some improvement..more signal than noise in this mail!!
unfortunately, can't say the same about your mail though kishor. gotta practice what you preach.
--- Philip S Tellis philip@konark.ncst.ernet.in wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, kishor bhagwat wrote: unfortunately, can't say the same about your mail though kishor. gotta practice what you preach.
heh..purposely undeleted for the 'effect' and the benefit for those who'd started filtering Kiran's mail..;)
kishor
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Kiran Nadgir writes:
Kiran Nadgir wrote:
<nothing new>
---8<--- Yes yes nothing new.....nice to know that luggers are more interested in showing off their intelligence (egos actually) on the way msgs are posted rather than on the msg.
There is a saying in Hindi that "Agar Kaala chasma pehno, to duniya kaali nazar aati hai". You have a blurred view of this community. If you have problems accepting other people's view, may I remind you that this mailing list also has a unsubscribe option. I think it is futile to write such acerbic mails and invite flames. Don't curse the whole community if you don't get along with us.
Which gets me to ask myself a question....do these great intelligent people really care about GNU/Linux and this mailing list or do they care more about showing off their egos here.
Yes we do. Every community has some rules, some written and some commonly accepted. Probably you want your ego to be stroked, which has not happened and hence you are cross with us.
Major problems in the world exist because people don't percieve things in the same way. Everyone has their own point of view about things.
Exactly. At the same time tolerance of other's view however contrary to your own have to be accepted.
But if someone still wants me to teach netiqutte this is what i would have to say to that person. @#!@#!#!
Kiran,
Yes my dear friend i could've been better off..but i did this with a reason. and i really don't care what you have to say.
The above is a classic example of "I don't want your advice, I know I am always right" attitude.
So don't get personal and learn to tolerate other people's views. And this includes this mail as well.
************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************
vinayak_hegde(at)softhome.net writes:
"We" dont want any flamewars? Unless you represent the behind-the-scenes Big Brother, please state your opinions as *your* opinions. I dont understand this "we" which keeps cropping up of late. Is there something we all should know about?
What is a list without flamewars? What is a group without trolls?
quasi
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:08:49AM +0530, q u a s i wrote:
What is a list without flamewars? What is a group without trolls?
LOL!
Sameer.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 04:22:19PM +0530, Kiran Nadgir wrote:
Yes yes nothing new.....nice to know that luggers are more interested in showing off their intelligence (egos actually) on the way msgs are posted rather than on the msg. Which gets me to ask myself a question....do these great intelligent people really care about GNU/Linux and this mailing list or do they care more about showing off their egos here.
I don't know why everybody likes to use the big bad e-word these days. And I really hope that the impression you convey about the list is borne out of your anger rather than real experience working with the people here. In case you havn't noticed, a lot of problems get solved, many people get introduced to new concepts on this list.
We feel it is important for everyone to follow certain guidelines when posting exactly because we are interested in helping as many people as we can. Now everyone here is a volunteer, with their own work and other loads of email to answer to as well. The guidelines are meant to keep things convenient for _as many_ people as possible.
Help people help you ... writing clear messages makes it easier for others to get to the point and see what they can do about your problem. It's not possible to go through every mail that comes in on all these mailing list, that too only in our free time. We keep cribbing about mailing strategies because we are keen to make maximum use of our time - no one on this list can be expected to take the efforts of going through an ill-written mail and still feel like helping the OP. But we do want to make sure we don't miss an opportunity to help.
Basically to answer your question, there is no doubt whether we care about GNU/Linux - our activities speak for themselves. But YES, we also care about people joining this list, which is the reason we are so persistent in making sure people understand the importance of writing good emails.
Sameer.
Kiran Nadgir wrote:
Yes i could've posted a link to the article instead of cutting and pasting the whole thing. BUT i pasted it because last time i had posted some link i had got a reply that the site required a passwd etc. So just to make sure no one faces any problems i pasted the WHOLE article.
Cnet.com does not require a password. Period.
Yes i have realized that my mail signatures were unncessarily HUGE and have reduced it. But if someone still wants me to teach netiqutte this
^^
is what i would have to say to that person. @#!@#!#!
Get your prepositions correct.
I have already mentioned about this one my dear friend. If you don't want me on the list u can unsubscribe me anytime ......I am using my corp id because its convinient AND AGAIN FOR YOUR CONVINIENCE....THE GUIDELINES OF THIS LIST DON'T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT DISCLAIMERS. SO either make sure the guidelines are changed or just stop displaying your intelligence on this topic.
This is not a question of guidelines. You are indulging in something thats deemed illegal by your "corp" and you are making the list members a part of the crime. Also, you must realize that list messages are archived and are available for all to see on the WWW. So there goes the "confidential"ity cause of your disclaimer.
Thanks for the link ....:) that was nice.
You are welcome. :->
The homepage should say. Welcome to GNU/LUG EGOISTS Users Group of Mumbai!
For once, get the English right. LUG EGOISTS Users Group would be Linux User Group Egoists User Group, which makes no gramatical sense to me as an adjective cant follow a noun. If you feel that the luggerz of ilug-bom are a bunch of egoists then please feel free to disassociate yourself, but lets stop having flame wars on the list.
because thats what is going on in this list most of the times....everyone has such a big EGO...cant u ppl for once let things be and just FOCUS on the message rather than the sender of the message.
Please check the archives to see the "contstructive" work thats done on LUG Maling list and the Luggerz themselves.
i believe all u ppl must be great techies..and thats what u shud be doing....focussing on what u r supposed to do....
<sarcasm> And your highness Kiran Nadgir would be the best judge for what "I" am supposed to do. </sarcasm>
Bhargav Bhatt <bhargav.bhatt(at)columbia.edu> writes:
The homepage should say. Welcome to GNU/LUG EGOISTS Users Group of Mumbai!
For once, get the English right. LUG EGOISTS Users Group would be Linux User Group Egoists User Group, which makes no gramatical sense to me as an adjective cant follow a noun. If you feel that the luggerz of ilug-bom are a bunch of egoists then please feel free to disassociate yourself, but lets stop having flame wars on the list.
(Without alluding to the original material) What a crappy point to argue about anyway. Maybe he was educated in a vernacular medium. Maybe his priorites do not have "become a good Englisher" very high up. Whatever. Pointing out the leg of a lame dog is no big deal. If you want to flame at least flame intelligently and creatively.
Like me. '-)
quasi
On 30 Nov 2002, q u a s i wrote:
(Without alluding to the original material) What a crappy point to argue about anyway. Maybe he was educated in a vernacular medium. Maybe his priorites do not have "become a good Englisher" very high up. Whatever. Pointing out the leg of a lame dog is no big deal.
Point taken.
If you want to flame at least flame intelligently and creatively.
Like me. '-)
:-P
Bhargav.
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