Dear Friends, Linuxers and Music Lovers, Apple CEO Steve Jobs has issued and interesting public statement on DRM. In the statement his wholeheartedly agrees that DRM has NOT worked and is NOT the solution for curbing ``illegal music" and is certainly NOT the way to go for the future. i think this statement worth noting as this is the fist time(to the best of my knowledge) a CEO of a company doing major music related business has ever admitted to the failure of DRM.
To all those with the Anti-DRM campaign, i think someone's listening :-)
For the complete article :
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Regards,
- vihan
Some people think that the reason Jobs is taking this Ant-DRM stand now is because his DRM will no longer be able to control/dominate the market with Zune's/Vista's DRM making inroads to the consumer desktop.
Nandz.
On 19/02/07 17:40 +0530, Saurabh Nanda wrote:
Some people think that the reason Jobs is taking this Ant-DRM stand now is because his DRM will no longer be able to control/dominate the market with Zune's/Vista's DRM making inroads to the consumer desktop.
See the Norwegian judgement. Zune and Vista have nothing to do with it.
Devdas Bhagat
On 19-Feb-07, at 5:15 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
best of my knowledge) a CEO of a company doing major music related business has ever admitted to the failure of DRM.
To all those with the Anti-DRM campaign, i think someone's listening :-)
dream on - he was for DRM when he had a virtual monopoly, now he is losing his monopoly so he has become anti. Dig deeper and you will see.
dream on - he was for DRM when he had a virtual monopoly, now he is losing his monopoly so he has become anti. Dig deeper and you will see.
Whatever be the reason, the fact that he admit's DRM has not lived up to its promise, and the fact that it has failed IS significant. In fact its an indirect slap on the faces of record label's and Apple own policy of agreeing with them. In fact i would kind of it as an encouragement to apply the anti-DRM campaign to the record label's in a more stronger manner :-)
Regards,
- vihan
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Whatever be the reason, the fact that he admit's DRM has not lived up to its promise, and the fact that it has failed IS significant. In fact its an
It isn't a failure of DRM, it's a failure of the agreement (Apple cannot licence its DRM technology to others) between Apple and the record labels.
He doesn't really want to do away with DRM. He just wants either a change in Apple's licencing agreement with record labels that will allow Apple to make more money from the same number of users or the dropping of DRM so that Apple can make more money from more users.
It isn't a failure of DRM, it's a failure of the agreement (Apple cannot licence its DRM technology to others) between Apple and the record labels.
Hmm... seems possible.
He doesn't really want to do away with DRM. He just wants either a
change in Apple's licencing agreement with record labels that will allow Apple to make more money from the same number of users or the dropping of DRM so that Apple can make more money from more users.
seems possible.
Either way, the anti-DRM campaign continues.
Regards,
- vihan
On 19-Feb-07, at 9:34 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
seems possible.
Either way, the anti-DRM campaign continues.
and if you want to be part of it, dont quote steve jobs
Either way, the anti-DRM campaign continues.
and if you want to be part of it, dont quote steve jobs
i don't see how the two are related? If Jobs said something which was even a slight indication of him criticizing DRM(for whatever reason) its a victory for us. So what if i decide to quote it. i have NEVER used an Apple product with DRM on it nor have i ever enchouraged it. In fact to all my friends who use an iPod i say, please visit :
http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
Regards,
- vihan
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i don't see how the two are related? If Jobs said something which was even a slight indication of him criticizing DRM(for whatever reason) its a victory
the reason matters. the ends never justify the means. I don't see you praising Bill Gates for all the charity work his foundation does.
with DRM on it nor have i ever enchouraged it. In fact to all my friends who use an iPod i say, please visit :
the ipod is nothing more than a pen drive with a little firmware in it. You can load music (or anything) onto the ipod by mounting it as a vfat drive and writing files to it. If you get the directory path correct (use gnupod or gtkpod), you can even get it to play music.
On 20-Feb-07, at 1:59 PM, Philip Tellis wrote:
slight indication of him criticizing DRM(for whatever reason) its a victory
the reason matters. the ends never justify the means. I don't see you praising Bill Gates for all the charity work his foundation does.
although I agree with you, the analogy is wrong - Bill Gates is doing great work through his charitable foundation, (the AIDs thingie) which is not in anyway linked with M$. I praise him for that
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the reason matters. the ends never justify the means. I don't see you praising Bill Gates for all the charity work his foundation does.
although I agree with you, the analogy is wrong - Bill Gates is doing great work through his charitable foundation, (the AIDs thingie) which is not in anyway linked with M$. I praise him for that
Yeah, all I was saying is that I'd never heard VP praise Gates in the same way that he praises Jobs. Gates has done far more for the world than Jobs has.
Yeah, all I was saying is that I'd never heard VP praise Gates in the same way that he praises Jobs. Gates has done far more for the world than Jobs has.
Do you call Re-defining the term ``good design", and recognizing GUI where others were blind as small achievements?
Regards,
- vihan
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Do you call Re-defining the term ``good design", and recognizing GUI where others were blind as small achievements?
definitely smaller than feeding the hungry and contributing to AIDS research.
Do you call Re-defining the term ``good design", and recognizing GUI where others were blind as small achievements?
definitely smaller than feeding the hungry and contributing to AIDS research.
If you are applying metrics to this, also take into account what the person has done to damage society as well.
Regards,
- vihan
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If you are applying metrics to this, also take into account what the person has done to damage society as well.
yes, let's do that. tell me what percentage of the world's population are being hurt and what percentage are being helped. That will give us a good indication of whether he's doing overall good or overall bad.
yes, let's do that. tell me what percentage of the world's population are being hurt
Every m$ product user and GNU/Linux user on Earth :-)
and what percentage are being helped.
you tell me, you wanted metrics.
That will give us
a good indication of whether he's doing overall good or overall bad.
will it? :-)
Buying good with blood money, kind of like sinners buying ``indulgences" to go to heaven in the middle ages or sinners taking a pilgrimage for cleansing.
Do not take life too seriously; you will never get out of it alive.
Nice signature :-) quite relevant here.
Regards,
- vihan
Philip Tellis wrote:
Sometime Today, VP cobbled together some glyphs to say:
If you are applying metrics to this, also take into account what the person has done to damage society as well.
yes, let's do that. tell me what percentage of the world's population are being hurt and what percentage are being helped. That will give us a good indication of whether he's doing overall good or overall bad.
Some of the donations end up in the Organizations formed by the donor himself, thus enabling him tax benefits. Some time back a big billionare I don't recollect the name, he donated a big sum but it went to his organizations, that gave him some tax benefit. Many people use organizations to fund their travel and touring expense....for charity of course.
Regards,
Rony.
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On 20-Feb-07, at 4:03 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
If you are applying metrics to this, also take into account what the person has done to damage society as well.
if he saved *one* person from death from AIDS it would more than make up for whatever imagined damage he has done to society
if he saved *one* person from death from AIDS
is it possible to save a ``person from death from AIDS". i don't think so, there is no cure only life prolonging medication. i'm saying this only to set the facts straight.
it would more than make
up for whatever imagined damage he has done to society
So according to you Mr Bill Gates, Chairman Microsoft Inc. has only caused ``imagined damage" to society?
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 5:29 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
if he saved *one* person from death from AIDS
is it possible to save a ``person from death from AIDS". i don't think so,
Bill Gates thinks so, which makes him a better man than you.
there is no cure only life prolonging medication. i'm saying this only to set the facts straight.
may not be any cure yet - but atleast $bill is spending to find one
it would more than make
up for whatever imagined damage he has done to society
So according to you Mr Bill Gates, Chairman Microsoft Inc. has only caused ``imagined damage" to society?
come on, get your perspectives and priorities right. Are you putting him in the same league as escobar, osama, bush, taliban, blair, kim etc etc?
is it possible to save a ``person from death from AIDS". i don't think so,
Bill Gates thinks so, which makes him a better man than you.
Let me rephrase that, as per current technology it is impossible to save a person from death cuased directly/indirectly by AIDS, it is only possible to prolong the person's life.
there is no cure only life prolonging medication. i'm saying this
only to set the facts straight.
may not be any cure yet - but atleast $bill is spending to find one
ends justify the means? i believe PT had an interesting comment on that.
come on, get your perspectives and priorities right. Are you putting
him in the same league as escobar, osama, bush, taliban, blair, kim etc etc?
Probably not, but that doesn't mean we put him up along with the saints as well.
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 6:02 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
is it possible to save a ``person from death from AIDS". i don't think so,
Bill Gates thinks so, which makes him a better man than you.
Let me rephrase that, as per current technology it is impossible to save a person from death cuased directly/indirectly by AIDS, it is only possible to prolong the person's life.
let me rephrase what I said - if $bill's money results in the prolongation of the life of *one* AIDS patient for *one* day - it more than makes up for whatever 'damage' he has caused to society.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 20-Feb-07, at 6:02 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
is it possible to save a ``person from death from AIDS". i don't think so,
Bill Gates thinks so, which makes him a better man than you.
Let me rephrase that, as per current technology it is impossible to save a person from death cuased directly/indirectly by AIDS, it is only possible to prolong the person's life.
let me rephrase what I said - if $bill's money results in the prolongation of the life of *one* AIDS patient for *one* day - it more than makes up for whatever 'damage' he has caused to society.
One point come to my mind. If software was not closed and expensive but libre and free, would it help in promoting medical and medicinal knowledge faster and be a better alternative to donating money for buying expensive medicine. It would spread IT faster thus help in faster delivery of science and technology to the masses.
Regards,
Rony.
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One point come to my mind. If software was not closed and expensive but libre and free, would it help in promoting medical and medicinal knowledge faster and be a better alternative to donating money for buying expensive medicine. It would spread IT faster thus help in faster delivery of science and technology to the masses.
You are on a roll :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 6:02 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
come on, get your perspectives and priorities right. Are you putting
him in the same league as escobar, osama, bush, taliban, blair, kim etc etc?
Probably not, but that doesn't mean we put him up along with the saints as well.
far worse people have been canonised
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Probably not, but that doesn't mean we put him up along with the saints as well.
So according to you Steve Jobs is a saint.
Probably not, but that doesn't mean we put him up along with the saints as well.
So according to you Steve Jobs is a saint.
Not at all, and for the record no where in my mails have i said that. Though it seems there are those who are keen to canonise Gates because lesser men have also been honoured.
Regards,
- vihan
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 20-Feb-07, at 4:03 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
If you are applying metrics to this, also take into account what the person has done to damage society as well.
if he saved *one* person from death from AIDS it would more than make up for whatever imagined damage he has done to society
I don't know about AIDS but the pharma companies are sitting on patents that make life saving drugs very expensive. Instead of funding organizations to raise money to buy these over charged drugs, why don't the biggies donate money to buy the patents and set them free for mankind (and womankind).
Regards,
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I don't know about AIDS but the pharma companies are sitting on patents that make life saving drugs very expensive. Instead of funding organizations to raise money to buy these over charged drugs, why don't the biggies donate money to buy the patents and set them free for mankind (and womankind).
* BOW *
i think that is the BEST statement ever said on this thread. :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 2:57 PM, Philip Tellis wrote:
although I agree with you, the analogy is wrong - Bill Gates is doing great work through his charitable foundation, (the AIDs thingie) which is not in anyway linked with M$. I praise him for that
Yeah, all I was saying is that I'd never heard VP praise Gates in the same way that he praises Jobs.
VP hadnt done his homework - didnt realise that jobs was not against drm per se, but against other peoples drms
VP hadnt done his homework - didnt realise that jobs was not against drm per se, but against other peoples drms
Oh i'm sorry i didn't realize the quote :
``Imagine a world where every online store sells DRM-free music encoded in open licensable formats. In such a world, any player can play music purchased from any store, and any store can sell music which is playable on all players. This is clearly the best alternative for consumers, and Apple would embrace it in a heartbeat. If the big four music companies would license Apple their music without the requirement that it be protected with a DRM, we would switch to selling only DRM-free music on our iTunes store. Every iPod ever made will play this DRM-free music."
actually implied ``that jobs was not against drm per se, but against other peoples drms". Perhaps i don't have your telepathic abilities to know exactly what the person was thinking when he was writing the article and the thought and writing are in contradiction.
i'm just commenting on a quote, i'm well aware that what's best for business is always going to be a priority with Apple. Moreover kindly READ quotes before jumping to conclusions whether X has done homework or not.
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 3:21 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
is always going to be a priority with Apple. Moreover kindly READ quotes before jumping to conclusions whether X has done homework or not.
I asked you to read up outside what jobs had said - which you still have not done
is always going to be a priority with Apple. Moreover kindly READ quotes before jumping to conclusions whether X has done homework or not.
I asked you to read up outside what jobs had said - which you still have not done
i did mention:
<quote> i'm well aware that what's best for business is always going to be a priority with Apple. </quote>
Couple that with the fact, that DRM does not and has not helped anyone. No one from the music/computer has said that so far. By the way i DO understand you telling me that its just a smoke screen he's using to shelve responsibility for the DRM blunder onto others and that he really may not mean it, the thing is that ``simply" too transparent.
Let me ask you this, why in your opinion would Jobs ``really" make a statement like this? What does it get him? In fact does it not look make Apple and the record labels look stupid for using DRM in the first place?
Regards,
- vihan
2007/2/20, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com:
i did mention:
<quote> i'm well aware that what's best for business is always going to be a priority with Apple. </quote>
See a reply to Jobs' post in Economist Music wants to be free http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8660389&to... Regards Praveen
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Even drug lords are known to fund charities. Should we admire them for that?
If you admire Jobs for speaking out against DRM, then yes.
On 20-Feb-07, at 3:27 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
praising Bill Gates for all the charity work his foundation does.
Even drug lords are known to fund charities. Should we admire them for that?
depends on what the charity does - can you give concrete examples of the above. Both name of the drug lord and what foundation he funds and what it does.
On 20-Feb-07, at 4:00 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
Ever heard of Pablo Escobar?
which foundation does he fund - what does it do?
Ever heard of Pablo Escobar?
which foundation does he fund - what does it do?
He(before being hunted down) financed everything for his home town of Mendilin. Also made the to the top ten richest people for a while at one time was Colombia's largest exporter, i don't have to tell you what was the product ;-)
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 5:43 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
He(before being hunted down) financed everything for his home town of Mendilin. Also made the to the top ten richest people for a while at one time was Colombia's largest exporter, i don't have to tell you what was the product ;-)
which foundation does he fund? what does it do?
On 20-Feb-07, at 7:02 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
the people of Mendelin to whom he was a saviour and a butcher.
which foundation did he fund and what does it do - bribing a town is not a charitable foundation
On 20-Feb-07, at 7:30 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
not a charitable foundation
Does one always need an organisation to do charity?
that is beside the point. You made a statement that there are drug lords who run charitable foundations. Either substantiate or withdraw
that is beside the point. You made a statement that there are drug lords who run charitable foundations. Either substantiate or withdraw
visit :
http://www.clas.berkeley.edu:7001/Events/fall2002/09-26-02-journalists/sheri...
If you are thinking of questioning the source of the article, well it was U.C.Berkeley.
Regards,
- vihan
On 21-Feb-07, at 12:11 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
http://www.clas.berkeley.edu:7001/Events/fall2002/09-26-02- journalists/sheridan1.html
If you are thinking of questioning the source of the article, well it was U.C.Berkeley.
dont see anything about a drug lord funding a charitable foundation in the article
Hi Vihan ( even you will not be spared :P ),
On 2/20/07, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com wrote:
the reason matters. the ends never justify the means. I don't see you praising Bill Gates for all the charity work his foundation does.
Even drug lords are known to fund charities. Should we admire them for that?
hmmmm ... come on now, in your other email you said the following ..
"i'm just commenting on a quote, i'm well aware that what's best for business is always going to be a priority with Apple."
Then how come MS and BG ( not the rich Ubuntu-guy, I mean the rich Windows guy ) is not give the the same liberty. Use the same yardstick to measure their business goals. Its not Apple is sharing all their code and everything. You can't take away credit from BG for whatever he has done to help the society in his own way.
Cheers!
Pradeepto
Hi Vihan ( even you will not be spared :P ),
anytime :-)
the reason matters. the ends never justify the means. I don't see you
praising Bill Gates for all the charity work his foundation does.
Even drug lords are known to fund charities. Should we admire them for
that?
hmmmm ... come on now, in your other email you said the
following ..
"i'm just commenting on a quote, i'm well aware that what's best for business is always going to be a priority with Apple."
because its a fact and so is the failure of DRM.
Then how come MS and BG ( not the rich Ubuntu-guy, I mean
the rich Windows guy ) is not give the the same liberty. Use the same yardstick to measure their business goals. Its not Apple is sharing all their code and everything. You can't take away credit from BG for whatever he has done to help the society in his own way.
Considering what damage he's doing via his company M$, would you really feel like praising him, irrespective of his charity.
Regards,
- vihan
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007 16:29:10 Vihan Pandey wrote:
Considering what damage he's doing via his company M$, would you really feel like praising him, irrespective of his charity.
Yes. At least he's done *something* good. That's better than doing nothing good. Saving lives is much more important than saving computer users.
I read an article explaining about the Ramayana the other day.
King Janak, father of Seeta, used to work in a farm even when he was the King. He wouldn't use a single penny from the Kingdom's treasury for himself or his family. He would feed his family from whatever he earned from the crop he raised himself.
His plough had a blade of gold. When asked about it, he said,"It is deliberately so. It is to remind myself that the soil's worth is more than gold. How so? Well, if I replace the gold blade with an iron blade, it'll still get the job done. That's not the case with the soil. I cannot replace the soil. Nothing else can get a soil's job done. Hence it is more valuable.
Applying this to our current situation - Human life is much more important than computer software freedom. Don't forget that. It's not like he forced people into using Windows. The people chose to use Windows, just like we have chosen not to use it.
Technology is so overrated. ``Things you own end up owning you.''
Applying this to our current situation - Human life is much more important than computer software freedom.
agreed.
Don't forget that. It's not like he forced
people into using Windows. The people chose to use Windows, just like we have chosen not to use it.
The question is, do people still have a choice after that?
Regards,
- vihan
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007 17:56:54 Vihan Pandey wrote:
Don't forget that. It's not like he forced people into using Windows. The people chose to use Windows, just like we have chosen not to use it.
The question is, do people still have a choice after that?
Its like asking whether there's a choice after falling in a deep pit out of which you _can_ get out after an effort (big or small is subjective). The pit, you decided to jump into, yourself.
Its like asking whether there's a choice after falling in a deep pit out of which you _can_ get out after an effort (big or small is subjective). The pit, you decided to jump into, yourself.
Either way do we praise the digger of the pit just because he also built a bridge somewhere else from his pit digging profits.
Regards,
- vihan
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007 19:04:28 Vihan Pandey wrote:
Its like asking whether there's a choice after falling in a deep pit out of which you _can_ get out after an effort (big or small is subjective). The pit, you decided to jump into, yourself.
Either way do we praise the digger of the pit just because he also built a bridge somewhere else from his pit digging profits.
Of course, he didn't push people into the pits. They chose to descend themselves for whatever reason.
Keep in mind, that its all a part of business. Lock-ins and whatever else. It's a way to keep earning more and more money. Now rather than spend that money in casinos, its better if the person uses that same money for a good deed.
``Money, so they say, is the root of all evil today.''
Of course, he didn't push people into the pits. They chose to descend themselves for whatever reason.
Does a school child in 4th or 5th standard choose to be taught M$ windoze or is he taught that because a certain company and a certain minister and/or secretary and/or whatever made a ``deal".
Keep in mind, that its all a part of business. Lock-ins and whatever else.
yes i am well aware of that.
It's a way to keep earning more and more money. Now rather than spend that
money in casinos, its better if the person uses that same money for a good deed.
At what cost is that good deed coming? If the costs are acceptable to you - good for you, but they are NOT to me.
Regards,
- vihan
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Does a school child in 4th or 5th standard choose to be taught M$ windoze or is he taught that because a certain company and a certain
That's irrelevant. We all learnt something or the other in school, and went on to do whatever we wanted. My schooling predated windows by many years, but it also predated linux.
Does a school child in 4th or 5th standard choose to be taught M$ windoze or is he taught that because a certain company and a certain
That's irrelevant. We all learnt something or the other in school, and went on to do whatever we wanted. My schooling predated windows by many years, but it also predated linux.
Can we really dismiss altogether the effect of ``mass microsoftization" on an entire generation of impressionable children? Though i do agree like in any other generation there will always be rebels :-)
Regards,
- vihan
Does a school child in 4th or 5th standard choose to be taught M$ windoze or is he taught that because a certain company and a certain
That's irrelevant. We all learnt something or the other in school, and went on to do whatever we wanted. My schooling predated windows by many years, but it also predated linux.
Can we really dismiss altogether the effect of ``mass microsoftization" on an entire generation of impressionable children? Though i do agree like in any other generation there will always be rebels :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On 20-Feb-07, at 8:48 PM, Philip Tellis wrote:
Does a school child in 4th or 5th standard choose to be taught M$ windoze or is he taught that because a certain company and a certain
That's irrelevant. We all learnt something or the other in school, and went on to do whatever we wanted. My schooling predated windows by many years, but it also predated linux.
mine predated the PC. And as far as Indian schools are concerned, anyone who 'comes up in life' does so, not *because* of his school education, but in *spite* of his school education.
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007 20:17:31 Vihan Pandey wrote:
Of course, he didn't push people into the pits. They chose to descend themselves for whatever reason.
Does a school child in 4th or 5th standard choose to be taught M$ windoze or is he taught that because a certain company and a certain minister and/or secretary and/or whatever made a ``deal".
Blame the person who made the deal then.
Btw, what makes you think that same child would like to be taught GNU or Linux? Say we manage to get FOSS to be taught in the schools, what if that child would like to learn Windows instead? Would you allow him that `freedom'?
It's a way to keep earning more and more money. Now rather than spend that money in casinos, its better if the person uses that same money for a good deed.
At what cost is that good deed coming? If the costs are acceptable to you - good for you, but they are NOT to me.
Ask those who might spend an extra day alive.
Again, look where your priorities are. I don't think that the people dying of AIDS would place a higher priority on software freedom than life.
I'm not saying he's a saint. He's not the devil either. He could have done a lot worse with all that money. He hasn't. He actually tried to do something good out of it. Praise him for that. Oppose him on the software front.
Keep in mind that, life doesn't always revolve around binary choices. This one certainly isn't. No one is entirely evil or entirely good. At least in my point of view. There's good in whatever small amount, everywhere. You only need the vision to spot it. I admire Hitler as well, but certainly not for the holocausts.
``If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.''
``Only a Sith deals in the absolute. I will do what i must.''
Blame the person who made the deal then.
exactly, two parties made the deal and i blame both.
Ask those who might spend an extra day alive.
Again, look where your priorities are. I don't think that the people dying of AIDS would place a higher priority on software freedom than life.
agreed.
I'm not saying he's a saint. He's not the devil either. He could have done a
lot worse with all that money. He hasn't. He actually tried to do something good out of it. Praise him for that.
i don't think two right's justify a wrong.
Oppose him on the software front.
i do.
Keep in mind that, life doesn't always revolve around binary choices.
agreed
This one certainly isn't.
isn't it?
No one is entirely evil or entirely good. At least in my
point of view. There's good in whatever small amount, everywhere. You only need the vision to spot it. I admire Hitler as well, but certainly not for the holocausts.
try telling that to a Jew.
``If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.''
i never said that.
``Only a Sith deals in the absolute. I will do what i must.''
``Hmm. To a dark place this line of thought will take us. Great care we must take."
Regards,
- vihan
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007 21:21:01 Vihan Pandey wrote:
Blame the person who made the deal then.
exactly, two parties made the deal and i blame both.
I don't. One is doing business and promoting its product. Quite natural. You'd do the same. It doesn't matter if you think that your product confirms to morality or whatever. No one's ever wrong. POV.
Anyway, the other party however IS to be blamed for not making a proper decision that affects quite a lot of people. Again, they have the choice of rejecting the proposal.
Btw, you left a question unanswered.
i don't think two right's justify a wrong.
POV. They might and they might not. Apparently, in your point of view software freedom is more important than human lives.
This one certainly isn't.
isn't it?
Nope. You ignore the POVs. See below.
No one is entirely evil or entirely good. At least in my point of view. There's good in whatever small amount, everywhere. You only need the vision to spot it. I admire Hitler as well, but certainly not for the holocausts.
try telling that to a Jew.
Technically, the Jews have done quite a few `wrong' things in the past as well.
Anyway, try telling someone helped by Gate's money that his life matters less than software freedom.
Also, try telling the xemacs developers that RMS is to be worshipped.
``From my point of view the Jedi are evil!''
``Well then you are lost!''
``Hmm. To a dark place this line of thought will take us. Great care we must take."
Pity. It was no use in the end. A simple POV quoted above shouted ``I need him!!'' and the rest, as they say, is history.
POVs can make a difference ;)
P.S. We're talking philosophy now! YAAY!
Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Anyway, try telling someone helped by Gate's money that his life matters less than software freedom.
If medicines and software were libre, there would not be any need for big donations to save lives.
Regards,
Rony.
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On Wednesday 21 Feb 2007 14:13:26 Rony wrote:
Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Anyway, try telling someone helped by Gate's money that his life matters less than software freedom.
If medicines and software were libre, there would not be any need for big donations to save lives.
If only I could rule the world!
I've already quoted a line from this before:
Money, it's a crime Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie Money, so they say Is the root of all evil today But if you ask for a rise It's no surprise that they're giving None away
Anyway the hypothetical ifs and buts don't really help much. People would actually not suffer quite a few problems if there were no computers.
Technology is overrated.
Btw, I give this topic a rest from my side, considering the admin's email.
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007 21:21:01 Vihan Pandey wrote: <snip>
I forgot to add:
``This place looks oddly familiar.''
``That's because we've been here before! We're going in circles.''
On 20-Feb-07, at 8:17 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
At what cost is that good deed coming? If the costs are acceptable to you - good for you, but they are NOT to me.
imagine if a loved one had AIDS and his life got prolonged a year or so because of $bill ...
On 21-Feb-07, at 12:18 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
imagine if a loved one had AIDS and his life got prolonged a year or so because of $bill ...
to be perfectly honest, i really don't know how i would react in that situation. i guess i would be in a state of conflict.
you have a heart of stone
Can we stop discussing about how many charities a narcotics peddeler has funded? Do remember we are a GLUG Mailing list, and there is a limit on the offtopic things we can discuss.
On 21-Feb-07, at 12:50 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
you have a heart of stone
perhaps, but those ``are" my beliefs on the matter.
as for me, I would be eternaly grateful to $bill - but i wouldnt shift to windoze
2007/2/19, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com:
Dear Friends, Linuxers and Music Lovers,
For the complete article :
Our own Gopal V has written about it "Lessons in Negotiations - The iCon" http://t3.dotgnu.info/blog/observations/lessons-in-negotiations.html
Thought it would interesting to see his view point
"If Steve Jobs had asked the MAFIAA to reconsider their contracts in January, they'd have definitely smiled (like the smile that follows seals and has a fin attached) and asked for a cut off every iPod sold. But February is much warmer for Apple - where they are in a win-win situation. If the industry doesn't let Apple go drm-less (a near impossibility, that) - Apple come crying back to us, *"They never let us have any fun !"*. If they rewrite the contract, letting Apple hawk their DRM, more money for Steve - oh, much much much more money than the extra DRM-free iTMS purchases would fetch. And just in case, they manage to go DRM-free, they'll have a new crowd knocking at their door - not to mention all the kudos for fighting those evil corporations for our rights.
All those options are good for Apple - but for anybody who buys from iTMS, only the last option is any good - Apple: 3, you: 1. But you've got to appreciate style, precision and direction of this so called "*attack on DRM*". After all, a best defence is a good offence."
Cheers
Praveen
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