Hi guys, I came across this topic i think India should also do the same thing in there military systems.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-dev...
2010/10/29 Advait Raut advaitraut@gmail.com:
Hi guys, I came across this topic i think India should also do the same thing in there military systems.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-dev...
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article821933.ece
Binand
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.comwrote:
2010/10/29 Advait Raut advaitraut@gmail.com:
Hi guys, I came across this topic i think India should also do the same thing in there military systems.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-dev...
Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.
Advait
Binand
2010/10/29 Advait Raut advaitraut@gmail.com:
Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.
It is not. It is to be developed from scratch and would be closed-source. See this quote:
'Though it will be a real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,' Saraswat said after unveiling a training facility at the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR), a defence lab in this tech hub.
http://sify.com/news/drdo-to-develop-cyber-attack-proof-operating-system-new...
Binand
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.comwrote:
2010/10/29 Advait Raut advaitraut@gmail.com:
Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.
It is not. It is to be developed from scratch and would be closed-source. See this quote:
'Though it will be a real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,' Saraswat said after unveiling a training facility at the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR), a defence lab in this tech hub.
http://sify.com/news/drdo-to-develop-cyber-attack-proof-operating-system-new...
So again windows does enters in our DRDO with its minimal presence.
Binand
On Friday 29 October 2010 12:12:36 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
2010/10/29 Advait Raut advaitraut@gmail.com:
Thats gr8 news to build our own OS .hope so its based on GNU/LINUX.
It is not. It is to be developed from scratch and would be closed-source. See this quote:
'Though it will be a real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,' Saraswat said after unveiling a training facility at the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR), a defence lab in this tech hub.
I am thrilled and feeling totally secure with such utterly clueless guys heading critical missions.
2010/10/30 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
I am thrilled and feeling totally secure with such utterly clueless guys heading critical missions.
I wouldn't call Dr. Saraswat clueless. His bio is here:
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/index.jsp?pg=scientificadvisior.jsp
APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually fit my definition of "clueless".
Binand
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.com wrote:
APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually fit my definition of "clueless".
Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become famous?
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.com wrote:
APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually fit my definition of "clueless".
Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become famous?
Bang on Siddhesh, I was just about to write something on similar lines but you beat me to it. :)
So according to Mr. Saraswat, by keeping the source code closed, one can have a secure system? Yes, I guess he is right, and Microsoft Windows is an open source software.
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become famous?
Straw man. In any case, it will depend upon the availability and cost of other heart surgeons, the threat to my life from heart disorders, and a number of other factors.
We have no clue how DRDO plans to do what it proposes to - whether they are taking an existing OS and modifying it, or going to develop one completely from scratch. The former has been done before - SELinux, for example.
2010/10/30 Nitesh Mistry mailbox@mistrynitesh.net:
So according to Mr. Saraswat, by keeping the source code closed, one can have a secure system? Yes, I guess he is right, and Microsoft Windows is an open source software.
As I said, we don't know what Mr. Saraswat thinks or intends to do. If you are really keen on knowing, I suggest you file an RTI application - it will cost you Rs. 10 and postage. I personally don't think keeping the source code "closed" is going to be practical - after all, he'd want applications to be ported to his new OS, which would mean a lot of people outside of DRDO's hand-picked team having access to the source code of his OS.
Binand
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become famous?
Straw man. In any case, it will depend upon the availability and cost of other heart surgeons, the threat to my life from heart disorders, and a number of other factors.
You either did not understand or conveniently decided to ignore the point I was trying to make. Just because Mr Saraswat has accomplished great feats in the field of missile technology, it does not mean that he has a clue in the field of Operating Systems and computing.
We have no clue how DRDO plans to do what it proposes to - whether they are taking an existing OS and modifying it, or going to develop one completely from scratch. The former has been done before - SELinux, for example.
Yes, we do not know how they're going to do this; in fact we do not know anything other than the fact that we're going to build an OS and that Mr. Saraswat is going to head this. The reason Mr. Saraswat is a man without a clue is because he has not shown himself as having any clue how operating systems (or any other critical software) development works. That is why he is making statements claiming that keeping source code closed is going to keep it secure, we will share the source with some other companies in a super-secret way once it is done so that they can write apps for us, etc. Show the code or make a working prototype, then talk.
And the key thing about SELinux is that it is open source, there were no fat claims before even putting out a prototype and that it was developed in a department of the US DoD that is known for its computing prowess, the NSA and hence would obviously have been headed by someone who has a clue about how software development works. All of this is exactly the opposite of the scenario with the DoD.
- it will cost you Rs. 10 and postage. I personally don't think
keeping the source code "closed" is going to be practical - after all, he'd want applications to be ported to his new OS, which would mean a lot of people outside of DRDO's hand-picked team having access to the source code of his OS.
There is a difference between software and the API. One only needs to expose an syscall API to have other software (third-party applications) interact with their OS.
There is nothing wrong with the DRDO developing their own internal OS or modifying another OS for their special purposes. In fact, I expected that we would already be doing something like this and was slightly disappointed that we weren't. But going out in public and making these claims without even putting out a plan and saying that it is going to be super-secret is just nonsense.
2010/10/30 Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com:
You either did not understand or conveniently decided to ignore the point I was trying to make. Just because Mr Saraswat has accomplished great feats in the field of missile technology, it does not mean that he has a clue in the field of Operating Systems and computing.
If this were the point you were trying to make, say it in so many words. Why drag your dentist into this??
Anyway, the fact that Dr. Saraswat has great feats in the field of missile technology certainly entitles him to head an organization like DRDO. Go back and read the post I was responding to (which claimed he is a clueless dingbat not fit to head the DRDO) - I found it highly offensive that a well-respected and well-decorated senior scientist heading a research organization called unfit to head the said organization because he initiated a project whose details are not available in public and does not appear to fit someone's preconceived notions.
that Mr. Saraswat is going to head this. The reason Mr. Saraswat is a man without a clue is because he has not shown himself as having any clue how operating systems (or any other critical software) development works. That is why he is making statements claiming that
He needn't have a clue in OS development. The clue should be with the team (and its head) he's going to assemble to build this system. You are not seriously assuming Dr. Saraswat's going to project-manage this thing, are you?
And the key thing about SELinux is that it is open source, there were no fat claims before even putting out a prototype and that it was developed in a department of the US DoD that is known for its computing prowess, the NSA and hence would obviously have been headed by someone who has a clue about how software development works. All of this is exactly the opposite of the scenario with the DoD.
1. SELinux was not open source from day one. The NSA released it under GPL in 2000 after it was under development for years (its history goes back to 1992).
2. The then head of NSA was this chap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hayden - I don't see him as an expert in software development.
3. I don't know if all of this is "exactly opposite" of the scenario with the DRDO. I recall in my undergrad days [mid-nineties], we had projects sponsored by DRDO which did cutting-edge research in various computer-related fields (though not OS research, I admit). I myself was fortunate enough to work on one of them.
4. Lastly, DRDO is not only about missiles and such - they do have several labs focusing on areas like AI, Robotics, electronics, supercomputing and a bunch of other technologies. Example: http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/ANURAG/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp - they seem to be building indigenously a teraflop Linux-based supercomputer.
There is a difference between software and the API. One only needs to expose an syscall API to have other software (third-party applications) interact with their OS.
I think that's somewhat an Utopian view, but not core to this argument.
There is nothing wrong with the DRDO developing their own internal OS or modifying another OS for their special purposes. In fact, I expected that we would already be doing something like this and was slightly disappointed that we weren't. But going out in public and making these claims without even putting out a plan and saying that it is going to be super-secret is just nonsense.
Well, I can't see anywhere that there's no plan in place. It could be nonsense as you say, but without evidence I'm willing to give DRDO the benefit of doubt. If the project head Dr. Saraswat appoints is "a man (or woman) with a clue", he/she'd pick Linux or one of the *BSDs and start working from there.
Binand
- SELinux was not open source from day one. The NSA released it under
GPL in 2000 after it was under development for years (its history goes back to 1992).
Are you sure about that? In 1992, Linux did not even have a usable userland utilities. It started in August 91 and took 3 - 4 years to become complete in terms of OS / API and toolset.
2010/10/30 Shamit Verma subs.linux.mum@vshamit.com:
- SELinux was not open source from day one. The NSA released it under
GPL in 2000 after it was under development for years (its history goes back to 1992).
Are you sure about that? In 1992, Linux did not even have a usable userland utilities. It started in August 91 and took 3 - 4 years to become complete in terms of OS / API and toolset.
Yes (it was originally not developed on Linux). See, for example:
http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/flask.html
Binand
On Saturday 30 October 2010 12:44:11 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:20:22AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Ok, so my local dentist wants to do heart surgeries to prolong life by about 78%. Would you like to be the first patient and hence become famous?
Straw man. In any case, it will depend upon the availability and cost of other heart surgeons, the threat to my life from heart disorders, and a number of other factors.
We have no clue how DRDO plans to do what it proposes to - whether they are taking an existing OS and modifying it, or going to develop one completely from scratch. The former has been done before - SELinux, for example.
Eh. then you should read YOUR link to the PR again.
"real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,"
windows -realtime. Sounds like Ganpatidrinkinmilk. Closing the source so that others dont know, is exactly what the trashiest OS in the world is. And one does not rely on knowing the the architecture to create holes. Not to mention that those interested in DRDOs systems are nor script kiddies sitting in cyber cafes.
Anyway the TOI link says something different, reading between the lines, - more in line with what he should be doing.
2010/10/30 Nitesh Mistry mailbox@mistrynitesh.net:
So according to Mr. Saraswat, by keeping the source code closed, one can have a secure system? Yes, I guess he is right, and Microsoft Windows is an open source software.
As I said, we don't know what Mr. Saraswat thinks or intends to do.
That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes raining down.
Finally Dr.Saraswat maybe well respected and all that like our favourite billybaba, but we judge by what you do and what you say. Right now i am afraid, if he does what he says (as per your sify link), we will be better off living in the Sahel, when those os get deployed.
If you are really keen on knowing, I suggest you file an RTI application - it will cost you Rs. 10 and postage. I personally don't think keeping the source code "closed" is going to be practical - after all, he'd want applications to be ported to his new OS, which would mean a lot of people outside of DRDO's hand-picked team having access to the source code of his OS.
I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies guide - to interfacing.
2010/10/31 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
"real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,"
I took that to mean a windowing system, not necessarily from Microsoft. X Windows will also qualify.
That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes raining down.
Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies guide - to interfacing.
As I said previously, that is a Utopian view. Even Microsoft understands that, hence they too provide their source code to OEMs involved in driver development.
Binand
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.com wrote:
2010/10/31 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies guide - to interfacing.
As I said previously, that is a Utopian view. Even Microsoft understands that, hence they too provide their source code to OEMs involved in driver development.
Utter nonsense. They provide an API, not the source code. The only entities Microsoft will probably have to compulsorily show their source code (under an NDA for audit) is the government (primarily the DoD), and most likely only the US government. Read up a little before you make such claims:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/WDK/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/wdf/KMDF.mspx
And I have no idea what you mean by a Utopian view.
2010/10/31 Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com:
Utter nonsense. They provide an API, not the source code. The only entities Microsoft will probably have to compulsorily show their source code (under an NDA for audit) is the government (primarily the DoD), and most likely only the US government. Read up a little before you make such claims:
Right. Care to explain what this is, then?
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/oem.mspx
Binand
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan binand@gmail.com wrote:
2010/10/31 Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com:
Utter nonsense. They provide an API, not the source code. The only entities Microsoft will probably have to compulsorily show their source code (under an NDA for audit) is the government (primarily the DoD), and most likely only the US government. Read up a little before you make such claims:
Right. Care to explain what this is, then?
Ok, I stand corrected on this point.
On Sunday 31 October 2010 12:06:38 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
2010/10/31 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
"real-time system with Windows software, source code and architecture will be proprietary, giving us the exclusivity of owning a system unknown to foreign elements and protect our security system,"
I took that to mean a windowing system, not necessarily from Microsoft. X Windows will also qualify.
Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things). The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.
That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes raining down.
Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished. The TOI link is quite ok technically.
I hope the other replies gave you an education - or atleast a dummies guide - to interfacing.
As I said previously, that is a Utopian view. Even Microsoft understands that, hence they too provide their source code to OEMs involved in driver development.
Wrong logic, excuse and history too. M$ came up with their opening of source (Microsoft shared source Initiative) to get some traction on .NET from Java, and was later expanded to their oses, not to provide driver (or other software) development for doze, but for organisations to do security audits in response to a sustained attack on the "closed is secure" meme from many academicians and FOSS proponents. Mere APIs are sufficient in any world including one as warped up as M$ and indeed, every software development continues happily without any source from M$
Binand
2010/10/31 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things). The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.
Are you seriously suggesting that when Dr. Saraswat "told reporters on the sidelines of a function", he actually said, "Windows software - that's with a capital W, and an s at the end" - and it is not the reporter doing the capitalization etc. himself? Really!
Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case too.
That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes raining down.
Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished. The TOI link is quite ok technically.
The TOI link was a report from Russia. Doesn't redeem GoI in any way.
many academicians and FOSS proponents. Mere APIs are sufficient in any world including one as warped up as M$ and indeed, every software development continues happily without any source from M$
Well, I did post a link in which Microsoft offers access to its source code to developers. I'd imagine many non-trivial software makers would be taking advantage of this offer too (Symantec and other AV software makers immediately come to mind, plus a friend of mine in HP did have access to Microsoft source code).
Binand
Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
2010/10/31 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things). The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.
Are you seriously suggesting that when Dr. Saraswat "told reporters on the sidelines of a function", he actually said, "Windows software - that's with a capital W, and an s at the end" - and it is not the reporter doing the capitalization etc. himself? Really!
Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case too.
That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes raining down.
Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished. The TOI link is quite ok technically.
The TOI link was a report from Russia. Doesn't redeem GoI in any way.
many academicians and FOSS proponents. Mere APIs are sufficient in any world including one as warped up as M$ and indeed, every software development continues happily without any source from M$
Well, I did post a link in which Microsoft offers access to its source code to developers. I'd imagine many non-trivial software makers would be taking advantage of this offer too (Symantec and other AV software makers immediately come to mind, plus a friend of mine in HP did have access to Microsoft source code).
Binand
Why not ask Dr S. to clarify his (or is it a 'her'?) statement to the ILUG so that we all know the 'truth' instead of second guessing?
regards hg
Hi.
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan
Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case too.
Some time back there were articles in the papers about how China had been accessing critical information from Indian computers, even from the defence departments. They did this through trojans and spyware. This is typical Windows activity. Recently the sophisticated virus (can't recollect the name) wrecked havoc in India, Iran etc. and was specifically written for Siemens hardware used in nuclear environments. The virus spread through pen drives. Again this is the Windows related activity. India has tremendous talent and potential to develop its own weapons and sophisticated systems but we still have to learn to organize international sporting events without becoming laughing stocks and objects of ridicule in the International media.
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rony Bill gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Binand Sethumadhavan
Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case too.
Some time back there were articles in the papers about how China had been accessing critical information from Indian computers, even from the defence departments. They did this through trojans and spyware. This is typical Windows activity. Recently the sophisticated virus (can't recollect the name) wrecked havoc in India, Iran etc. and was specifically written for Siemens hardware used in nuclear environments. The virus spread through pen drives. Again this is the Windows related activity. India has tremendous talent and potential to develop its own weapons and sophisticated systems but we still have to learn to organize international sporting events without becoming laughing stocks and objects of ridicule in the International media.
-- As a proper list etiquette... Please trim your replies. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
Regards,
Rony.
no matter how hard we try there is always one weak link to any security system: the human heart.
Rony Bill wrote:
Some time back there were articles in the papers about how China had been accessing critical information from Indian computers, even from the defence departments. They did this through trojans and spyware. This is typical Windows activity.
Try "ghostnet x India" in a Google search box. You will get an eyeful. By the way, the caper was tracked by a Canadian security group
Recently the sophisticated virus (can't recollect the name) wrecked havoc in India, Iran etc. and was specifically written for Siemens hardware used in nuclear environments. The virus spread through pen drives. Again this is the Windows related activity.
Try Google for "Stuxnet worm". The first page alone has enough info to make ones head swim
India has tremendous talent and potential to develop its own weapons and sophisticated systems but we still have to learn to organize international sporting events without becoming laughing stocks and objects of ridicule in the International media.
Happy Diwali
regards hg
On Sunday 31 October 2010 19:59:54 Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
2010/10/31 jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in:
Hmm poor understanding of English semantics (amongst other things). The word Windows software with a capital W in the middle of a sentence means it is name of a specific thing. There is only ONE os product family by that name Microsoft Windows. If he were referring to a windowing system, he would state "window" - no "W" at the start no "s" in the end. So your excuse - or logic - either way fails.
Are you seriously suggesting that when Dr. Saraswat "told reporters on the sidelines of a function", he actually said, "Windows software - that's with a capital W, and an s at the end" - and it is not the reporter doing the capitalization etc. himself? Really!
ALL organisations that I know of, hand out a printed pr statement. To prevent mis reporting. What actually gets reported is an altogether different matter.
Personally, I don't believe DRDO will do something as foolhardy as develop this "OS" based on Microsoft Windows. They have a track record of using Linux, and most likely that's what they'll do in this case too.
That is what the PR is supposed to tell us - what organisations are thinking and planning to do. Throw crappy PR up and it all comes raining down.
Quite. GoI's multiple PR snafus are all there to be seen.
Not quite in this case. YOUR link seems to have got things rubbished. The TOI link is quite ok technically.
The TOI link was a report from Russia. Doesn't redeem GoI in any way.
There is another TOI link about Dr. Saraswat's statement. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/software-services/Security-thre...
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 10:35 +0530, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
I wouldn't call Dr. Saraswat clueless. His bio is here:
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/index.jsp?pg=scientificadvisior.jsp
APJ AK's missile team member, advisor to DoD, leader of Agni/Prithvi/Dhanush projects, Padma Sri awardee... doesn't actually fit my definition of "clueless".
clueless in this context
I am thrilled and feeling totally secure with such utterly clueless guys heading critical missions.
This is like usual crap media puts out there.
DRDO is a huge organization and it had many labs which do quite cutting edge research in various fields like
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/SAG/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp&l... http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/SAG/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp&labhits=470 http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/CAIR/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp&... http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/CAIR/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp&labhits=2145 http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs/ANURAG/English/index.jsp?pg=homebody.jsp&am...
Moreover Dr. Saraswat may not have had all the details with him or may not have understood them well (being a not computer scientist) OR they may have knowingly obfuscated the details and fed some gibberish to the media. I do not really believe that it can be a Realtime system and be based on windows.
Could it also mean that it also mean that it could be a like a cloud solution where all the data resides on a central computer and not data sits on the terminals for prolonged time ? This could address a long standing problem of Indian defense establishment of data theft and backup.
Piyush
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 10:02 +0530, Advait Raut wrote:
I came across this topic i think India should also do the same thing in there military systems.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-dev...
I was under the impression that all our mission critical stuff is already under unix/linux
Ya adviat you are right but I guess DRDO is already developing their own os. Beside cdac is also developing os called BOSS
On 29 Oct 2010 10:12, "Advait Raut" advaitraut@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys, I came across this topic i think India should also do the same thing in there military systems.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech-News-Software-Services/Russia-to-dev...
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Kenneth Gonsalves -
Nitesh Mistry -
Piyush Ranjan -
Rony Bill -
sachin puri -
Shamit Verma -
Siddhesh Poyarekar