India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
On 20-Mar-08, at 2:54 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
congratulations - keep it up (or keep them down)
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 20-Mar-08, at 2:54 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
congratulations - keep it up (or keep them down)
Let us identify who voted in favour of OOXML, and hound them for the rest of their productive careers. Might keep them from trying to pull off something like this in the future.
Oh, never mind, political correctness and all...
On Thursday 20 March 2008 03:03 pm, Nishit Dave wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 20-Mar-08, at 2:54 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
congratulations - keep it up (or keep them down)
Let us identify who voted in favour of OOXML, and hound them for the rest of their productive careers. Might keep them from trying to pull off something like this in the future.
Oh, never mind, political correctness and all...
That is politically correct. Trying to screw up standards is amongst the worst possible misuse of "public " office. If these are linked to certain business organisations, boycott their products whenever possible.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Thursday 20 March 2008 03:03 pm, Nishit Dave wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 20-Mar-08, at 2:54 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
congratulations - keep it up (or keep them down)
Let us identify who voted in favour of OOXML, and hound them for the rest of their productive careers. Might keep them from trying to pull off something like this in the future.
Oh, never mind, political correctness and all...
That is politically correct. Trying to screw up standards is amongst the worst possible misuse of "public " office. If these are linked to certain business organisations, boycott their products whenever possible.
Now, we have the full details of who are the people who voted in favor, those agencies which Indian Govt. calls the IT community organizations: find out for yourslef from the report, and MS's press statement. http://www.tech2.com/india/news/software/breaking-news-indias-final-vote-on-...
we have to learn to treat these organizations with respect!
Nagarjuna
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
Now, we have the full details of who are the people who voted in favor, those agencies which Indian Govt. calls the IT community organizations: find out for yourslef from the report, and MS's press statement. http://www.tech2.com/india/news/software/breaking-news-indias-final-vote-on-...
we have to learn to treat these organizations with respect!
Nagarjuna
Most indian services companies are big microsoft shops so it not surprising they voted in favor.
The thing to watch ( and learn ) is the spin MS puts on things ...
[quote] We hoped that 98.73% of the total 1027 comments from all National Bodies stood resolved at the BRM would be welcomed by the BIS, as it has been by the National Bodies of numerous countrie [/quote]
If I interpret the above statement it could mean two things 1. they _hope_ 98.73% of the objections to be resolved. " When" would be a good question then. 2. 98.73 % are already resolved and the remaining will never be resolved.
And if I remember their earlier spins a no means a yes in the bizzare MS vote world so the entire statistics quote is a BS. i.e they interpret "no with comment" as a yes.
I seriously admire their PR dept for their masterly spins.
regards, C
On Thursday 20 March 2008 04:53 pm, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
Now, we have the full details of who are the people who voted in favor, those agencies which Indian Govt. calls the IT community organizations: find out for yourslef from the report, and MS's press statement. http://www.tech2.com/india/news/software/breaking-news-indias-final -vote-on-ms-office-file-standard-is-no/32081/0
we have to learn to treat these organizations with respect!
Disgusting. One can imagine that these organisations revenue streams are inextricably tied to the M$ bandwagon. And hence whatever they say about technology / quality etc is just eyewash. You will always find their managers spewing M$ FUD at every business meet And most national banks are running one of their corebanking solutions. I wonder how are they going to justify their stance to their ethics committee (if it could be raked up there).
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
I wonder how are they going to justify their stance to their ethics committee (if it could be raked up there).
Let's merge FSF with Green Peace and set out with the Rainbow GNU Warrior.
Nagarjuna G. wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Thursday 20 March 2008 03:03 pm, Nishit Dave wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 20-Mar-08, at 2:54 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
congratulations - keep it up (or keep them down)
Let us identify who voted in favour of OOXML, and hound them for the rest of their productive careers. Might keep them from trying to pull off something like this in the future.
Oh, never mind, political correctness and all...
That is politically correct. Trying to screw up standards is amongst the worst possible misuse of "public " office. If these are linked to certain business organisations, boycott their products whenever possible.
Now, we have the full details of who are the people who voted in favor, those agencies which Indian Govt. calls the IT community organizations: find out for yourslef from the report, and MS's press statement. http://www.tech2.com/india/news/software/breaking-news-indias-final-vote-on-...
we have to learn to treat these organizations with respect!
Nagarjuna
Congrats to those who supported ODF. It is sad that the big 5 giants who supported M$ could have otherwise played a major role in sponsoring libre software development in India through Universities and public research centres. No wonder India lags behind in libre software innovation. Practically everything is coming from the West.
On Thursday 20 March 2008 08:57 pm, Rony wrote:
Congrats to those who supported ODF. It is sad that the big 5 giants who supported M$ could have otherwise played a major role in sponsoring libre software development in India through Universities and public research centres. No wonder India lags behind in libre software innovation. Practically everything is coming from the West.
True. But a particular business model does not excuse any one from taking the right decision. These five are either incompetent or ethically very seriously challenged. Who in his right mind will approve a "Standard" with as many trashy recursive definitions as this one.
On 20-Mar-08, at 8:57 PM, Rony wrote:
Congrats to those who supported ODF. It is sad that the big 5 giants who supported M$ could have otherwise played a major role in sponsoring libre software development in India through Universities and public research centres. No wonder India lags behind in libre software innovation. Practically everything is coming from the West.
how much software do these three giants produce? Very little - India produces very little software both in the proprietary and the free worlds.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
how much software do these three giants produce? Very little - India produces very little software both in the proprietary and the free worlds.
Sad but true. We are worshippers of the likes of Bill Gates. And we use whatever is available for free. Free of cost, that is. We only understand one thing - the green colour of money.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 20-Mar-08, at 8:57 PM, Rony wrote:
Congrats to those who supported ODF. It is sad that the big 5 giants who supported M$ could have otherwise played a major role in sponsoring libre software development in India through Universities and public research centres. No wonder India lags behind in libre software innovation. Practically everything is coming from the West.
how much software do these three giants produce? Very little - India produces very little software both in the proprietary and the free worlds.
True, but in India they are the giants.
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 20-Mar-08, at 8:57 PM, Rony wrote:
Congrats to those who supported ODF. It is sad that the big 5 giants who supported M$ could have otherwise played a major role in sponsoring libre software development in India through Universities and public research centres. No wonder India lags behind in libre software innovation. Practically everything is coming from the West.
how much software do these three giants produce? Very little - India produces very little software both in the proprietary and the free worlds.
True, but in India they are the giants.
The editorial in Business Standard today again seems to speak from Microsoft's point of view, and calls OOXML an already existing standard!! As an interested group, we should write to them (and other newspapers) and strongly represent our point of view.
Any takers?
I went through the editorial. one more point which struck me was that it creates an impression that this is a "proxy for product war " which means all those who supported odf also had some selfish marketing gains. here we should note that people like Dr. Nagarjun have helped this cause due to no "marketing of product " aim. secondly the tone of the editorial also talks about the licensing cost issue and has not really emphasised on the "freedom aspect " which implies freedom to encript and decript the data by any one who wishes to do so. it uses words like "negociations for license costs ", correct me if I am remembering wrong but although my quoting might not be word to word correct, the tone of the article is towards saying that odf is for those who care about the cost of licensing and it talks nothing much about freedom. regards. Kk
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
I went through the editorial. one more point which struck me was that it creates an impression that this is a "proxy for product war " which means all those who supported odf also had some selfish marketing gains. here we should note that people like Dr. Nagarjun have helped this cause due to no "marketing of product " aim. secondly the tone of the editorial also talks about the licensing cost issue and has not really emphasised on the "freedom aspect " which implies freedom to encript and decript the data by any one who wishes to do so. it uses words like "negociations for license costs ", correct me if I am remembering wrong but although my quoting might not be word to word correct, the tone of the article is towards saying that odf is for those who care about the cost of licensing and it talks nothing much about freedom.
Yes, I forgot to mention that. One more reason to believe they are reading out of Microsoft's PR briefs. Can we work upon drafting a letter to the editor as the GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai?
On 25/03/2008, Nishit Dave stargazer.dave@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
I went through the editorial. one more point which struck me was that it creates an impression that this is a "proxy for product war " which means all those who supported odf also had some selfish marketing gains. here we should note that people like Dr. Nagarjun have helped this cause due to no "marketing of product " aim. secondly the tone of the editorial also talks about the licensing cost issue and has not really emphasised on the "freedom aspect " which implies freedom to encript and decript the data by any one who wishes to do so. it uses words like "negociations for license costs ", correct me if I am remembering wrong but although my quoting might not be word to word correct, the tone of the article is towards saying that odf is for those who care about the cost of licensing and it talks nothing much about freedom.
Yes, I forgot to mention that. One more reason to believe they are reading out of Microsoft's PR briefs. Can we work upon drafting a letter to the editor as the GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai? -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
yes nishit you are right. the problem is that if at all the press generally talks about "OPENSOURCE " (they don't talk about free software ), they only highlite the cost issue and although there might be some organisations doing a proxy product marketing, it is wrong for press to generalise. and using words like license cost negociation etc is not conveying the real reason of this freedom fight and why odf needs to be supported and not ooxml. regads. Kk On 25/03/2008, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/03/2008, Nishit Dave stargazer.dave@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
I went through the editorial. one more point which struck me was that it creates an impression that this is a "proxy for product war " which means all those who supported odf also had some selfish marketing gains. here we should note that people like Dr. Nagarjun have helped this cause due to no "marketing of product " aim. secondly the tone of the editorial also talks about the licensing cost issue and has not really emphasised on the "freedom aspect " which implies freedom to encript and decript the data by any one who wishes to do so. it uses words like "negociations for license costs ", correct me if I am remembering wrong but although my quoting might not be word to word correct, the tone of the article is towards saying that odf is for those who care about the cost of licensing and it talks nothing much about freedom.
Yes, I forgot to mention that. One more reason to believe they are reading out of Microsoft's PR briefs. Can we work upon drafting a letter to the editor as the GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai? -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
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Nagarjuna G. wrote: | India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not | attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and | the rest voted against.
Congratulations to all those who worked long, worked hard and worked against tremendous odds to make this happen.
~sankarshan
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com wrote:
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Nagarjuna G. wrote: | India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not | attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and | the rest voted against.
Congratulations to all those who worked long, worked hard and worked against tremendous odds to make this happen.
+1 . Awesome news.
Pradeepto
On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
Major win for the community, and I'd like to extend personal thanks to the 3 people who I know have been putting in long hours into this effort with no gain:
- Nagarjuna - Venky (of Red Hat) - Prabir Purkayastha
That isn't an exhaustive list by any means, and it'd be great if you guys could enumerate the other people who have contributed to this win.
A request to the community: if you have the time and the inclination, please take a few minutes and send a personal mail thanking these front-line warriors. If we can come up with the list of organisations who voted against OOXML and a contact person, a mail to each of those organisations wouldn't go amiss either.
I'm convinced that if Prabir, Venky, Nagarjuna and the others in the team hadn't worked like dogs for months on end, today we'd be seeing a proprietary standard for all our documents. Must feel good to see all that work pay off, huh? :)
Regards,
-- Raju
2008/3/20, Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org:
India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against.
Congratulations to all those who worked so hard for long hours, days together to bring this victory!
For the rest of us, we should use this victory as a starting point and join campaigns to save our country from the lock-ins and lead to a knowledge society.
In Rabindranath Tagore's words,
Where the mind is without fear
and the head is held high,
Where knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken
up into fragments by narrow domestic
walls;
Where words come out from the
depth of truth;
Where tireless striving
stretches its arms towards
perfection;
Where the clear stream of reason
has not lost its way into the
dreary desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is led forward
by thee into ever-widening
thought and action–
into that heaven of freedom,
my Father,
Let my country awake.
One such campaign which needs your support is SaveKarnataka campaign
http://groups.google.com/group/savekarnataka?hl=en http://savekarnataka.wordpress.com/
Regards Praveen
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Chetan S -
jtd -
Kenneth Gonsalves -
krishnakant Mane -
Nagarjuna G. -
Nishit Dave -
Pradeepto Bhattacharya -
Praveen A -
Raj Mathur -
Rony -
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay