Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most likely to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
Venky
Quoting Venkatesh Hariharan venkyh@gmail.com:
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most likely to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
Venky
Wow!
I look forward to hear him.
Regards,
Komal
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On Wednesday 11 January 2006 11:39, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most likely to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
So 14th meet should be postponed to 22nd i think.
On 1/11/06, Venkatesh Hariharan venkyh@gmail.com wrote:
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most likely to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
Will this be a part of the IIT B techfest or is it an independent event?
-- Puneet
On 1/11/06, Puneet Lakhina puneet.lakhina@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/11/06, Venkatesh Hariharan venkyh@gmail.com wrote:
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most
likely
to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
Will this be a part of the IIT B techfest or is it an independent event?
If this is the part of IIT B techfest I can be more sure to be there. I was already looking forward for going to IIT B fest. It will be great to hear Mark Shuttleworth.
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 11:39, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most likely to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
Venky
Any idea as to what he's going to talk about? I mean, if it's going to be Ubuntu advocacy, then I don't want to attend.... if at all it is possible for me to attend :/
Mrugesh
On 1/13/06, Mrugesh Karnik mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 11:39, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
This is a quick heads-up to the ILUG-BOM group. Mark Shuttleworth of
Ubuntu
will address the Mumbai ILUG on 22nd Jan at 2PM. The venue is most
likely
to be IIT Bombay. Will keep you updated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
Venky
Any idea as to what he's going to talk about? I mean, if it's going to be Ubuntu advocacy, then I don't want to attend.... if at all it is possible for me to attend :/
I second this, we know ubuntu is good and all taht but if he is addressing LUG the its got to be something a lot more developer oriented not just evangelism.
Mrugesh
-- Puneet
On Friday 13 Jan 2006 1:12 am, Puneet Lakhina wrote:
Any idea as to what he's going to talk about? I mean, if it's going to be Ubuntu advocacy, then I don't want to attend.... if at all it is possible for me to attend :/
I second this, we know ubuntu is good and all taht but if he is addressing LUG the its got to be something a lot more developer oriented not just evangelism.
you should have some faith - guys like this dont do marketing, they have clueless sales guys for that
Hello,
Any idea as to what he's going to talk about? I mean, if it's going
to be
Ubuntu advocacy, then I don't want to attend.... if at all it is
possible
for me to attend :/
[snip]
I second this, we know ubuntu is good and all taht but if he is addressing LUG the its got to be something a lot more developer oriented not just evangelism.
Consider this -- ``What is Guido going to talk about? If he's going to talk about Python, I am not going. He should talk about some _technical_ stuff.'' What crap is this? What do you mean by _developer oriented_ stuff? Do you expect Guido to teach you programming or talk about the proposed extensions to the Pickle protocol? Mark Shuttleworth is not a joke. He's neither here to teach you how to install Ubuntu nor is he here to sell Ubuntu. Why is he coming to India then? You have to be there to find out. Pardon me if I sound sarcastic. But these two mails really pissed me off. Mark has revolutionised the GNU/Linux distro concept. He has shown us how to spend a portion of 1 Billion Rands judiciously. You have no idea what he's doing in his home country. We have a lot to learn from him. Even if you don't like/use Ubuntu, be there to ask him how it feels to be in space. Regards, BG
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On Saturday 14 January 2006 1:55 pm, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
Consider this -- ``What is Guido going to talk about? If he's going to talk about Python, I am not going. He should talk about some _technical_ stuff.'' What crap is this? What do you mean by _developer oriented_ stuff? Do you expect Guido to teach you programming or talk about the proposed extensions to the Pickle protocol? Mark Shuttleworth is not a joke. He's neither here to teach you how to install Ubuntu nor is he here to sell Ubuntu. Why is he coming to India then? You have to be there to find out. Pardon me if I sound sarcastic. But these two mails really pissed me off. Mark has revolutionised the GNU/Linux distro concept. He has shown us how to spend a portion of 1 Billion Rands judiciously. You have no idea what he's doing in his home country. We have a lot to learn from him. Even if you don't like/use Ubuntu, be there to ask him how it feels to be in space. Regards,
That was a mouthfull ;-).
Mr. Shuttleworth is not just about Ubuntu.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bio.html
should make good reading.
On Saturday 14 January 2006 14:49, JTD wrote:
That was a mouthfull ;-).
Mr. Shuttleworth is not just about Ubuntu.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bio.html
should make good reading.
someone please post the minutes of the meeting. i am curious as to what Shuttleworth had to say.
Pardon my ignorance but can someone send the details of the meet. -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
On Saturday 14 January 2006 19:54, DJ wrote:
someone please post the minutes of the meeting. i am curious as to what Shuttleworth had to say.
-- Dinesh A. Joshi
I echo that.
Mrugesh (The same guy who wouldn't attend if it were the Ubuntu thing)
On 1/16/06, Mrugesh Karnik mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 14 January 2006 19:54, DJ wrote:
someone please post the minutes of the meeting. i am curious as to what Shuttleworth had to say.
-- Dinesh A. Joshi
I echo that.
Mrugesh (The same guy who wouldn't attend if it were the Ubuntu thing)
I am sure you will attend if its a Gentoo thing. Anyways, if you dont want to be there, you are not welcome either. :P -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sometime on Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 07:54:51PM +0530, DJ said:
someone please post the minutes of the meeting. i am curious as to what Shuttleworth had to say.
Do you mean the 14th Jan meet at five gardens? Mark Shuttleworth isn't in Mumbai yet. He'll address at IIT-Bombay on 22nd Jan probably.
Anurag
Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
Mark Shuttleworth is not a joke. He's neither here to teach you how to install Ubuntu nor is he here to sell Ubuntu. Why is he coming to India then? You have to be there to find out. Pardon me if I sound sarcastic. But these two mails really pissed me off. Mark has revolutionised the GNU/Linux distro concept. He has shown us how to spend a portion of 1 Billion Rands judiciously. You have no idea what he's doing in his home country. We have a lot to learn from him. Even if you don't like/use Ubuntu, be there to ask him how it feels to be in space.
Wow! Rage is now proven to be a creative force. :P
Different demographics look for different things. Mature individuals look for value in the form of insight & wisdom, while the young ones look for freebies. ;)
Peace.
-- Clinton Goveas - http://www.clintongoveas.com
On Saturday 14 January 2006 19:45, Clinton Goveas wrote:
Wow! Rage is now proven to be a creative force. :P
Unless it turns one to the dark side!
Different demographics look for different things. Mature individuals look for value in the form of insight & wisdom, while the young ones look for freebies. ;)
Exactly! That's why I do not seek freebies about Ubuntu.
Peace.
Yes. I think it's better we buried the issue right here. We don't need no flame wars.
Live long and prosper :P
Mrugesh
Mark Shuttleworth is not a joke. He's neither here to teach you how to install Ubuntu nor is he here to sell Ubuntu. Why is he coming to India then? You have to be there to find out.
Ya thats what we wanted to figure out what is he here for, what is he going to talk about. If its going to be about How linux is good and how open standards are the way forward... dude thats something we have heard time and again. And most importantly we do believe in that, so he is not going to add anything to what i already belive... I use GNU/Linux because i like it and it serves my purpose and if he talks about why you should use well as u can see thats redundant...
Now since we dont know about it, well I will have to be there.. coz as u said Shuttleworth is not a joke.
Pardon me if I sound sarcastic. But these two mails really pissed me
off.
Free Country... freedom to express your opinion...
Even if you don't like/use Ubuntu, be there to ask him how it feels to
be in space.
Yeah sure...
Regards,
BG
--
My 2 cents Puneet
On Saturday 14 January 2006 13:55, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
Consider this -- ``What is Guido going to talk about? If he's going to talk about Python, I am not going. He should talk about some _technical_ stuff.'' What crap is this? What do you mean by _developer oriented_ stuff? Do you expect Guido to teach you programming or talk about the proposed extensions to the Pickle protocol?
*giggles* Wrong example. Proposed extensions to the Pickle protocol is still technical talk and completely related to programming ;) And I don't think there's anything wrong in hoping that he'll teach me programming either :P
Mark Shuttleworth is not a joke. He's neither here to teach you how to install Ubuntu nor is he here to sell Ubuntu. Why is he coming to India then? You have to be there to find out. Pardon me if I sound sarcastic. But these two mails really pissed me off.
Maybe you should read more carefully then. I ASKED if anyone knew why he is here.
Mark has revolutionised the GNU/Linux distro concept. He has shown us how to spend a portion of 1 Billion Rands judiciously. You have no idea what he's doing in his home country. We have a lot to learn from him.
Duh sure. I think I only said that I don't want attend IF he's here for Ubuntu advocacy, which is quite possible. I think my point is still valid. I still do not want to attend if he's here for Ubuntu advocacy.
Even if you don't like/use Ubuntu, be there to ask him how it feels to be in space. Regards, BG
I'd rather spend the time reading up on Chanakya and listening to Pt. Bhimsen Joshi.
Interesting last line in the bio though:
Dislikes: admin, legalese, running, london winters, salary negotiations, _public speaking_.
Cheers, Mrugesh
Mrugesh,
*giggles* Wrong example. Proposed extensions to the Pickle protocol is still technical talk and completely related to programming ;) And I don't think there's anything wrong in hoping that he'll teach me programming either :P
Yeah, but you should have got the point ... sadly you didn't. And no, he won't teach you how to program. People like Guido are only for those who have the basic foundations lied down well, just like Linus won't come to teach you C.
Maybe you should read more carefully then. I ASKED if anyone knew why he is here.
He's here since Canonical is on a tour of Asia. Its aims and objectives are clearly laid down here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour . Just a simple search could have helped, but I guess you were too busy being incorrigible.
Duh sure. I think I only said that I don't want attend IF he's here for Ubuntu advocacy, which is quite possible. I think my point is still valid. I still do not want to attend if he's here for Ubuntu advocacy.
Ubuntu advocacy. Yes, that's most probably the case. And you think you don't even need to listen to him? Would it really hurt if you go there and listen what a guy like Mark has to say? We all know what rms says each and everytime he speaks, yet we all listen to him intently. You never know when they share a gem with you.
I'd rather spend the time reading up on Chanakya and listening to Pt. Bhimsen Joshi.
... or installing anti-[spyware|virus|etc.] on your favourite box.
Interesting last line in the bio though:
Dislikes: admin, legalese, running, london winters, salary negotiations, _public speaking_.
He's right. Public speaking != having fun. That's what he does all the time anyway. Regards, BG
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On Monday 16 Jan 2006 4:20 pm, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
He's here since Canonical is on a tour of Asia. Its aims and objectives are clearly laid down here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour . Just a simple search could have helped, but I guess you were too busy being incorrigible.
and he has even been kind enough to give an email address for suggestions on what can be talked about - so the op could directly mail him and ask him not to give a low level ubuntu promo talk. From what i can see, he wants to interact with the local community more than talk at them. But then i dont have the OP's extensive knowledge of MS's habits to comment on this.
--- Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@thenilgiris.com wrote:
On Monday 16 Jan 2006 4:20 pm, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
He's here since Canonical is on a tour of Asia. Its aims and objectives are clearly laid down here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour . Just a simple search could have helped, but I guess you were too busy being incorrigible.
and he has even been kind enough to give an email address for suggestions on what can be talked about - so the op could directly mail him and ask him not to give a low level ubuntu promo talk. From what i can see, he wants to interact with the local community more than talk at them. But then i dont have the OP's extensive knowledge of MS's habits to comment on this.
If nothing else, we can atleast just touch him. I mean how many of us have even seen Capt. Rakesh Sharma.. Let alone Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin or yuri Gagarin.
He spent a neat fortune probably just to mock the adage that the "sky's the limit". That itself says a lot about the visionary streak in the guy. And for trivia, he was even the "correct answer" for a question on a recent episode of KBC.
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On Monday 16 January 2006 5:42 pm, Abhishek Daga wrote:
If nothing else, we can atleast just touch him. I mean how many of us have even seen Capt. Rakesh Sharma.. Let alone Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin or yuri Gagarin.
I have seen Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin and Michael Collins AND shook hands with one of them. I was a kid when they visited India in 1969 and was watching their motorcade pass by Lady Jamsetji rd. near Mahim church. For some inexplicable reason the PM Indira Gandhi's car slowed down and all the others followed suit. I and a couple of kids darted on to the road shook hands and asked how big is the moon? Could not catch the reply in the cacphony.
--- JTD jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Monday 16 January 2006 5:42 pm, Abhishek Daga wrote:
If nothing else, we can atleast just touch him. I mean how many of us have even seen Capt. Rakesh Sharma.. Let alone Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin or yuri Gagarin.
I have seen Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin and Michael Collins AND shook hands with one of them. I was a kid when they visited India in 1969 and was watching their motorcade pass by Lady Jamsetji rd. near Mahim church. For some inexplicable reason the PM Indira Gandhi's car slowed down and all the others followed suit. I and a couple of kids darted on to the road shook hands and asked how big is the moon? Could not catch the reply in the cacphony.
Ofcourse. It had to be JTD. hehe. Well good for you, SIR. 1969. wow. Dude. You must have had some good times back then in the 70s. The first Freedom Movement post independence. It's only fair that you are part of the free movement of the 90s.
Not to be outdone I have to say that in 1984 when I was a kid of 8.5 we got an early off from school to catch Rakesh Sharma's live telecast from the salyut. Ok so who here was a KID in the 90s and knows Micheal Jackson as the most controversial white musician of the decade?
-cheers. abhi
ps: I know I digressed. apologies.
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On Tuesday 17 January 2006 11:45 am, Abhishek Daga wrote:
Ofcourse. It had to be JTD. hehe. Well good for you, SIR. 1969. wow. Dude.
;-). Barefoot in shorts and dawn banyan. We were playing kirket.
You must have had some good times back then in the 70s.
Yes and no. It was a time of rebellion and a time of economic disaster for India. Shortages of everything. Rampant black markets, socialist / communists living in pedder rd. preaching to the masses, naxalites, wild music, long hair, bell bottoms, homemade telescopes with bamboo tripod, water on mars, garibi hatao and tons of govt. sponsored shit in the press, one komplet tv channel, Transistor radios and IFTs, JETKING TRANSISTOR RADIO, cassette recorder, transistor beeper, morse code beeper, op amp Fairchild ua741 @ Rs.11/-, first handmade pcb which was inverted and hence first SMT pcb, LCD calculator (my dad's which i screwed up and managed to repair), Power amps, SMPS.....
The first Freedom Movement post independence. It's only fair that you are part of the free movement of the 90s.
Not to be outdone I have to say that in 1984 when I was a kid of 8.5 we got an early off from school to catch Rakesh Sharma's live telecast from the salyut. Ok so who here was a KID in the 90s and knows Micheal Jackson as the most controversial white musician of the decade?
-cheers. abhi
ps: I know I digressed. apologies.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
But then i dont have the OP's extensive
What does OP mean?
Regards,
Rony.
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Sometime on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:23:58PM +0530, Rony Bill said:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
But then i dont have the OP's extensive
What does OP mean?
Original Poster IMHO.
On Monday 16 January 2006 16:20, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
Yeah, but you should have got the point ... sadly you didn't. And no, he won't teach you how to program. People like Guido are only for those who have the basic foundations lied down well, just like Linus won't come to teach you C.
Err dude, that example was way off topic and so is what you've said here. I call it quits about this!
For one thing, Shuttleworth isn't a programmer or a developer and secondly, there's nothing wrong with people wanting technical talks instead of business talks.
Also, I still don't have a problem with hoping that Linus would come to teach me C. The fact that he won't; in the near future; doesn't change a thing.
Open your mind! Stranger things have happened!!
He's here since Canonical is on a tour of Asia.
I do not have a sixth sense about these matters. Neither am I interested in Ubuntu or Canonical. Well, I would be if they bought Gentoo... Thanks for letting me know though.
Its aims and objectives are clearly laid down here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour . Just a simple search could have helped, but I guess you were too busy being incorrigible.
Well, how nice.. "Asia Business Tour" Rings a bell, does it? And yes, I AM too busy to search about ways to expand the Ubuntu user base!
Ubuntu advocacy. Yes, that's most probably the case. And you think you don't even need to listen to him? Would it really hurt if you go there and listen what a guy like Mark has to say? We all know what rms says each and everytime he speaks, yet we all listen to him intently. You never know when they share a gem with you.
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
I'd rather spend the time reading up on Chanakya and listening to Pt. Bhimsen Joshi.
... or installing anti-[spyware|virus|etc.] on your favourite box.
Whatever makes you think I use Windows... I wonder. Hehehe, funny how people are so quick to draw conclusions and assume things. Just because I don't want to listen to Ubuntu talk doesn't mean I'm a Windows user! Open your mind to other possibilities too ;) And wait a minute.. isn't this the Linux Users' Group mailing list?
This is idiotic! I'm not posting about this again!
Though this being my first flame war, I must say, flame wars are fun :D
Regards, Mrugesh
P.S. I so love Kmail these days! I had typed all the matter above and my KVM switch decided to play games. I had to hard reboot.. I start up the pc thinking "Damn, I'm gonna have to type all that again!" And lo!! Kmail simply popped up the window with the message completely intact :D
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 1:44 am, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
the whole point of this debate is it is not a question of 'whats in this for me', but a question of building community. You may not get anything out of it, but you can give - give support just by being there. The community in big cities rarely meets - in fact i once described the mumbai lug as a virtual lug. Now the community meets, everyone feels good and that is a positive. The reason why some ppl thought you were a windoze user is that 'whats in this for me' attitude is typical of them. Mark Shuttleworth has contributed enormously to the community - so the community should support him by turning out in large numbers. On second thoughts, it is better that you dont come - we wouldnt want him to get a bad impression of India ;-)
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 7:26 am, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 1:44 am, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
the whole point of this debate is it is not a question of 'whats in this for me', but a question of building community.
I disagree a little. Has anyone thought what's in it for Mark. Why is he "throwing away" tons of cash. How does an economic eco system work and how do u change the behaviour of the system. If i give away Rs.1000 to some random poor it will be consumed immediately without making much difference (this consumption too will comeback to me overtime). But if i give a Rs.500 gardening kit and Rs.500 cash to a large number of poor, several will start putting it to use. Many will succeed in making products for the market and buy more stuff for gardening (alongwith lots of other stuff). As long as i am some where in the economic chain i will benefit. If u think of a $100 laptop and GNU software as a universal tool for economic activity u can imagine the multiplier effect it has on economies. Mark has truly grasped the GNU philosophy and realised how universal a tool a pc and good software is. If someone (particulary the whatsinitforme types) is stupid enough to miss this meet so be it.
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 11:00 am, JTD wrote:
If someone (particulary the whatsinitforme types) is stupid enough to miss this meet so be it.
imagine missing meeting a person who runs this site:
http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php
which i personally feel is far more important than ubuntu.
If u think of a $100 laptop and GNU software as a universal tool for economic activity u can imagine the multiplier effect it has on economies. Mark has truly grasped the GNU philosophy and realised how universal a tool a pc and good software is. If someone (particulary the whatsinitforme types) is stupid enough to miss this meet so be it.
Completely agree...
Regards,
ah
If u think of a $100 laptop and GNU software as a universal tool for economic activity u can imagine the multiplier effect it has on economies. Mark has truly grasped the GNU philosophy and realised how universal a tool a pc and good software is.
Just need some cheap/reliable/available way to power up these laptops. :) If this combination of laptop+gnuware+telecom has to really make a positive impact in the most underdeveloped regions of the developing nations we need electricity to run these laptops which is unfortunately more off than on.
But I am sure there is someone out there who has figured out a way to charge these using solar energy. Ofcourse I am not talking about giant solar panels or even medium ones. But something designed specifically to make these devices run. I remember reading about a basic manual charger for cellphones designed at IIT.
-abhi
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On Tuesday 17 January 2006 4:26 pm, Abhishek Daga wrote:
If u think of a $100 laptop and GNU software as a universal tool for economic activity u can imagine the multiplier effect it has on economies. Mark has truly grasped the GNU philosophy and realised how universal a tool a pc and good software is.
Just need some cheap/reliable/available way to power up these laptops.
:)
If this combination of laptop+gnuware+telecom has to really make a positive impact in the most underdeveloped regions of the developing nations we need electricity to run these laptops which is unfortunately more off than on.
It is supposed to have a hand cranked generator. Also another SAfrican sells a hand generator which is quite a rage with the rucksackers.
But I am sure there is someone out there who has figured out a way to charge these using solar energy.
Not useful in overcast conditions.
Ofcourse I am not talking about giant solar panels or even medium ones. But something designed specifically to make these devices run.
Actually panels are very expensive @Rs.500/W. A steam engine powered by the waste heat from the chulla should do fine.
I remember reading about a basic manual charger for cellphones designed at IIT.
JTD wrote:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 4:26 pm, Abhishek Daga wrote:
If u think of a $100 laptop and GNU software as a universal tool for economic activity u can imagine the multiplier effect it has on economies. Mark has truly grasped the GNU philosophy and realised how universal a tool a pc and good software is.
If this combination of laptop+gnuware+telecom has to really make a positive impact in the most underdeveloped regions of the developing nations we need electricity to run these laptops which is unfortunately more off than on.
Excuse me JTD and Abhi, but we are going in the same direction of thought as did Mr. Chandrababu Naidu who promoted the IT revolution. What happened? The poor were still poor and are still poor and commiting suicides in AP. Another point, those who use linux are not the poor people who are entering computer literacy. That section of people still use M$, thanks to rampant piracy and cheap hardware thats more M$ friendly. A poor or lower middle class assembler in India or Asia may not have any knowledge of Linux, but he still learns from his friends how to create FAT32 partitions and run 'setup.exe'. Thats what really clicks with people. With M$ compounding the problem by donating computers to schools and colleges, this Linux vision still looks distant. I am sorry if I sound negative.
It is supposed to have a hand cranked generator. Also another SAfrican sells a hand generator which is quite a rage with the rucksackers.
I just love free electricity. :)
But I am sure there is someone out there who has figured out a way to charge these using solar energy.
Sometime back I had posted a concept of using a solar parabolic reflector furnace to boil water and use the steam to power turbines to produce bulk electricity and also use this technology to convert salt or polluted water into potable water for rural areas. I wonder if anyone in IIT would be interested to make a working prototype. A final year project or something like that?
I remember reading about a basic manual charger for cellphones designed at IIT.
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On Tuesday 17 January 2006 8:13 pm, Rony Bill wrote:
JTD wrote:
Excuse me JTD and Abhi, but we are going in the same direction of thought as did Mr. Chandrababu Naidu who promoted the IT revolution. What happened? The poor were still poor and are still poor and commiting suicides in AP.
Precisely the reason for affordable computing. People would not have planted exorbitantly priced gm crops that resist one pest and sucumb to 500 others. Lots of other complex issues too, but widespread, affordable information and computing would mitigate such problems.
Another point, those who use linux are not the poor people who are entering computer literacy. That section of people still use M$, thanks to rampant piracy and cheap hardware thats more M$ friendly. A poor or lower middle class assembler in India or Asia may not have any knowledge of Linux, but he still learns from his friends how to create FAT32 partitions and run 'setup.exe'. Thats what really clicks with people. With M$ compounding the problem by donating computers to schools and colleges, this Linux vision still looks distant. I am sorry if I sound negative.
True. And u wind up with bigger debts, lesser knowledge and a deeeeper hole. It's a vicious circle exactly like the one the farmers are in but with the glitz of computers. Any idea how much does a Cisco CCNP cert costs. U can learn much more about routing and filtering with a Rs.4000/- 2nd hand 386 box and earn even more chucking the cisco router.
JTD wrote:
True. And u wind up with bigger debts, lesser knowledge and a deeeeper hole. It's a vicious circle exactly like the one the farmers are in but with the glitz of computers. Any idea how much does a Cisco CCNP cert costs. U can learn much more about routing and filtering with a Rs.4000/- 2nd hand 386 box and earn even more chucking the cisco router.
Cisco type networking learning is not computer literacy. With due respect, why would poor people need computers or need to be computer literate? IMHO, the only IT revolution that will benefit poor nations along with the masses is e-governance. One by one all govt. depts. should get computerised. Thats where technology will come in handy to reduce delays, corruption and provide fast access to data. No loss of paper files, files eaten by rats etc...Wherever computerisation has taken place, the public has benefited. Ownership of a pc or laptop is not essential. Govt. depts. are the ones where FOSS will be most beneficial in cutting budgets. But do they make use of this wealth?
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On Wednesday 18 January 2006 10:20 am, Rony Bill wrote:
JTD wrote:
True. And u wind up with bigger debts, lesser knowledge and a deeeeper hole. It's a vicious circle exactly like the one the farmers are in but with the glitz of computers. Any idea how much does a Cisco CCNP cert costs. U can learn much more about routing and filtering with a Rs.4000/- 2nd hand 386 box and earn even more chucking the cisco router.
Cisco type networking learning is not computer literacy.
It is and that was an example of an it guy in the network field v/s farmer in the cotton field. There are many more defs of computer literacy but that is a different story.
With due respect, why would poor people need computers or need to be computer literate?
Because a computer is a tool for aggregation, disbursement and creation of all types of knowledge and to date the cheapest tool to do so. Every other method or tool splits the above three creating innumerable hurdles for the other functions.
IMHO, the only IT revolution that will benefit poor nations along with the masses is e-governance. One by one all govt. depts. should get computerised. Thats where technology will come in handy to reduce delays, corruption and provide fast access to data.
These are symptoms because of governance. You do not need governments in the vast majority of society's needs and the few areas where they are needed would indeed be well served by computerisation subject to a drastic change in the basic philosophy of governance.
No loss of paper files, files eaten by rats etc...
computers have their equivalents. The main benefit of computerisation is ease of retrival. Transparency is a policy matter not a function of computerisation.
Wherever computerisation has taken place, the public has benefited. Ownership of a pc or laptop is not essential. Govt. depts. are the ones where FOSS will be most beneficial in cutting budgets. But do they make use of this wealth?
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 20:13, Rony Bill wrote:
'setup.exe'. Thats what really clicks with people. With M$ compounding the problem by donating computers to schools and colleges, this Linux vision still looks distant. I am sorry if I sound negative.
I beg to differ. This problem that you are referring to isn't really a "problem". It's an effect of natural selection, survival of the fittest. Even though Windoze isn't such a great OS, it still manages to attract a lot of users. Why? There are several reasons for it. Piracy is just one of them. If GNU/Linux isn't able to attract a lot of users then GNU/Linux will die. It's a part of the process of natural selection. There is no point denying it. GNU/Linux will have to adapt or else...
Sometime back I had posted a concept of using a solar parabolic reflector furnace to boil water and use the steam to power turbines to produce bulk electricity and also use this technology to convert salt or polluted water into potable water for rural areas. I wonder if anyone in IIT would be interested to make a working prototype. A final year project or something like that?
Well, its like this in India. People dont really care about creating electricity or reducing pollution but we *do* care about how we cremate our dead folk. A parabolic reflector was used to make a furnace ( or call it an incinerator ) which was used to cremate the dead people of some religion. Don't remember the name of the religion but they referred to Fire Temples or Sun Temples. I don't mean any offense to people of this religion but shouldn't the inventor go ahead and make a solar powered powersource?
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 4:18 pm, DJ wrote:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 20:13, Rony Bill wrote:
'setup.exe'. Thats what really clicks with people. With M$ compounding the problem by donating computers to schools and colleges, this Linux vision still looks distant. I am sorry if I sound negative.
I beg to differ. This problem that you are referring to isn't really a "problem". It's an effect of natural selection, survival of the fittest.
Sorry to interrupt your cerebrations but businesses survive by natural selection in an environment defined by law. M$ survives by repeatedly violating these laws. That is not natural selection but completely unnatural selection. They would'nt last a few years otherwise and would not be able to donate a floppy let alone pcs.
Even though Windoze isn't such a great OS, it still manages to attract a lot of users. Why? There are several reasons for it. Piracy is just one of them.
Other reasons include but not limited to Pirating others code Forcing companies to exclude competing OSs Filing prior art and trivial patents.
If GNU/Linux isn't able to attract a lot of users then GNU/Linux will die. It's a part of the process of natural selection. There is no point denying it. GNU/Linux will have to adapt or else...
It is not merely surviving it's ahead in the race in most places. So let's see.
Sometime back I had posted a concept of using a solar parabolic reflector furnace to boil water and use the steam to power turbines to produce bulk electricity and also use this technology to convert salt or polluted water into potable water for rural areas. I wonder if anyone in IIT would be interested to make a working prototype. A final year project or something like that?
We already have these - Monsoon season. Jokes apart the sizes for usable reflectors make them impractical for bulk power. The power sources available are due to solar energy concentrated over long periods (or areas) and released in short periods or small areas.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 16:43, JTD wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your cerebrations but businesses survive by natural selection in an environment defined by law. M$ survives by repeatedly violating these laws. That is not natural selection but completely unnatural selection. They would'nt last a few years otherwise and would not be able to donate a floppy let alone pcs.
excuse me but M$ isn't the only one who can play dirty :)
On Saturday 21 January 2006 9:41 pm, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 16:43, JTD wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your cerebrations but businesses survive by natural selection in an environment defined by law. M$ survives by repeatedly violating these laws. That is not natural selection but completely unnatural selection. They would'nt last a few years otherwise and would not be able to donate a floppy let alone pcs.
excuse me but M$ isn't the only one who can play dirty :)
Err i thought we were discussing the "success" of M$. But that is right. However till date there have been no copyright or patent infringements by GNU developers or companies. Infact GNU developers' copyrights have been violated several times. And quite a few time in spirit too by taking BSD "extending" and not publishing the extension specs (let alone the code). M$ is the biggest one - the network stack was a BSD rip off. Remove that and kerberos and the ncsa renderer and see what a wonderful piece of *%#@ windows is. Remove CPM code and u have - win??w? - nothing. So much for innovation and value and all the shit that billy baba and his chors keep yacking about.
So if u dont want to look like a computer version of Mandira Bedi dont talk about M$ wonderful achievements in knowledgeable circles.
On Sunday 22 January 2006 05:51, JTD wrote:
Err i thought we were discussing the "success" of M$. But that is right. However till date there have been no copyright or patent infringements by GNU developers or companies. Infact GNU developers' copyrights have been violated several times. And quite a few time in spirit too by taking BSD "extending" and not publishing the extension specs (let alone the code). M$ is the biggest one - the network stack was a BSD rip off. Remove that and kerberos and the ncsa renderer and see what a wonderful piece of *%#@ windows is. Remove CPM code and u have - win??w? - nothing. So much for innovation and value and all the shit that billy baba and his chors keep yacking about.
.NET is probably the biggest rip off.
So if u dont want to look like a computer version of Mandira Bedi dont talk about M$ wonderful achievements in knowledgeable circles.
Hehe :)
DJ wrote:
Well, its like this in India. People dont really care about creating electricity or reducing pollution but we *do* care about how we cremate our dead folk. A parabolic reflector was used to make a furnace ( or call it an incinerator ) which was used to cremate the dead people of some religion. Don't remember the name of the religion but they referred to Fire Temples or Sun Temples. I don't mean any offense to people of this religion but shouldn't the inventor go ahead and make a solar powered powersource?
The solar panels that you refer to are not to burn or cremate the body, but in a milder way, they help in disintegrating the body faster. They increase the sun's natural effect of bringing everything back to dust. It reduces the time a body would otherwise take to disintegrate naturally. The vultures that really did the job are sadly extinct. Cremation or burial is forbidden due to certain religious concepts of pollution, only the natural way of disposal, as is in nature is prescribed. I will not get into that as its way off topic.
BTW, is there a laptop under $100 really available? I would love to buy a good one for Rs. 5000/-. :)
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On Wednesday 18 January 2006 10:58 pm, Rony Bill wrote:
BTW, is there a laptop under $100 really available? I would love to buy a good one for Rs. 5000/-. :)
Not yet. And it will available only to students and carries no warranty at all. The commercial version for general sale is expected to be about $200/-. Protos are using AMD cpu. The PC they launched here @ Rs.10000/- used the same cpu afaik.
On 17/01/06, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@thenilgiris.com wrote:
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 1:44 am, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
the whole point of this debate is it is not a question of 'whats in this for me', but a question of building community. You may not get anything out of it, but you can give - give support just by being there. The community in big cities rarely meets - in fact i once described the mumbai lug as a virtual lug. Now the community meets, everyone feels good and that is a positive. The reason why some ppl thought you were a windoze user is that 'whats in this for me' attitude is typical of them. Mark Shuttleworth has contributed enormously to the community - so the community should support him by turning out in large numbers. On second thoughts, it is better that you dont come - we wouldnt want him to get a bad impression of India ;-)
-- regards kg
Fair enough. Point conceded. I was wrong with the "what's in it for me" attitude. Apologies to all.
Though in my defence, I'll also say, that like I said in my previous email, it was a question of having enough resources to go in person. I still do not know if I do. This is one thing that also stops me from coming to monthly meets, even if I want to.
I'll tell you what. Now that you've said that it's better for me to not come, I'll try my level best to come. Same goes for the next meet. You just need to meet me to find out if I really give out a bad impression about India :)
Regards, Mrugesh
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 14:44, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Fair enough. Point conceded. I was wrong with the "what's in it for me" attitude. Apologies to all.
Though in my defence, I'll also say, that like I said in my previous email, it was a question of having enough resources to go in person. I still do not know if I do. This is one thing that also stops me from coming to monthly meets, even if I want to.
I'll tell you what. Now that you've said that it's better for me to not come, I'll try my level best to come. Same goes for the next meet. You just need to meet me to find out if I really give out a bad impression about India :)
Regards, Mrugesh
Please everyone end it now...
On 1/18/06, DJ dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 14:44, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Fair enough. Point conceded. I was wrong with the "what's in it for me" attitude. Apologies to all.
Though in my defence, I'll also say, that like I said in my previous email, it was a question of having enough resources to go in person. I still do not know if I do. This is one thing that also stops me from coming to monthly meets, even if I want to.
I'll tell you what. Now that you've said that it's better for me to not come, I'll try my level best to come. Same goes for the next meet. You just need to meet me to find out if I really give out a bad impression about India :)
Regards, Mrugesh
Please everyone end it now...
--- no dear its only 38 mails long ... sud atleast reach 50 ;)
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Dinesh A. Joshi
On Thursday 19 January 2006 15:16, SeekingGyan wrote:
On 1/18/06, DJ dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
Please everyone end it now...
--- no dear its only 38 mails long ... sud atleast reach 50 ;)
Oh sure... Carry on, carry on. Tell me if you need my help :P
Mrugesh
2006/1/19, SeekingGyan linuxlinux@gmail.com:
--- no dear its only 38 mails long ... sud atleast reach 50 ;)
You don't have to guess any more !!! He has already addressed blug. So here is what Surjo got to say about it. http://surjodas.blogspot.com/2006/01/january-blug-meet-report.html
-- "GNU is the system, and Linux is the kernel." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr
I attended Mark's lecture in IIT today. And it wasn't as interesting as I was thinking it would be. The IIT crowd was too stupid. Most questions were regarding his trip to space. And the lecture was hardly an hour long. Anyways, I am really looking forward to attend tomorrow's ILUG-BOM meet at Kresit, IIT. Some interesting things are expected to happen! :) -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
2006/1/21, Sanket Medhi sanketmedhi@gmail.com:
I attended Mark's lecture in IIT today. And it wasn't as interesting as I was thinking it would be. The IIT crowd was too stupid.
exactly.. and the questions were so irrelevant sometimes to what he was saying at that instant.. I mean he was talkin abt free software and this guy pops up n asks those cliched "how did you feel when...." questions.. but one intrestin thing abt mark i did notice.. He supports the free as in freedom aspect but is also pretty vocal about free as in free beer aspect.. And he says that it is something that free software guys are sometimes "apologetic" about the free beer aspect..
something to think about...
-- Puneet
Sometime on Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 01:44:59AM +0530, Mrugesh Karnik said:
For one thing, Shuttleworth isn't a programmer or a developer and secondly, there's nothing wrong with people wanting technical talks instead of business talks.
Mark Shuttleworth has been a Debian Developer in the past.
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
In 2004, RedHat had conducted a similar ``India Business Tour'' which I happened to attend. 300+ people turned up (free dinner?). We all saw Powerpoint sildes, Advt. Videos using Windows Media Player and all. Pretty interesting it was.
Surely Canonical isn't one of them, and I would be attending Shuttleworth's talk just because he isn't going to talk about programming and all that.
Anurag
2006/1/17, Mrugesh Karnik mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com:
For one thing, Shuttleworth isn't a programmer or a developer and secondly, there's nothing wrong with people wanting technical talks instead of business talks.
I would suggest you to got to www.google.com and search for 'Mark Shuttleorth' before writing such ignorant comments as this.
As Anurag pointed out he has been a Debian developer in the past. <quote> Most of my time is devoted to the Ubuntu project as cheerleader and chief whip. I've spent the last year or so focused on the [image: [WWW]] Launchpadhttps://launchpad.net/collaborative infrastructure, writing a fair portion of it and helping the team to define our goals.</quote> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
I do not have a sixth sense about these matters. Neither am I interested in
Ubuntu or Canonical. Well, I would be if they bought Gentoo... Thanks for letting me know though.
<quote> We synchronise our development with upstream, and with Debian, and with other distributions such as Suse and Gentoo and Mandrake and Red Hat, on a regular basis. </quote>
Is it because you already got some Free Ubuntu CDs :-) Yeah may be we should request Mark Shuttleworth to bring some Gentoo CDs to give it to you :-) Or can someone burn some Gentoo CDs for this guy and bring it to the meet?
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to
Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
It is OK if you cannot come. You don't have to convince all of us.
Whatever makes you think I use Windows... I wonder. Hehehe, funny how people are so quick to draw conclusions and assume things. Just because I don't want to listen to Ubuntu talk doesn't mean I'm a Windows user!
Well, How sad :-( Ubuntu team are making great improvements to the restart alaert box so that is pops up the message "You should restart the system for installtion to complete". It would have been great fun.
*Screenshot 8: New Restart Notification Dialog*
[image: restart-dialog]
Open your mind to
other possibilities too ;) And wait a minute.. isn't this the Linux Users' Group mailing list?
The list name says *"GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"*
Though this being my first flame war, I must say, flame wars are fun :D
Enjoy!
Cheers Praveen A -- "GNU is the system, and Linux is the kernel." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr
Some interesting points have been raised up in this debate. I never knew so much about Mark Shuttleworth, never bothered to even find out either. It has further aroused my interest in attendinding his speech. I feel those who miss it will miss out a lot. But, again its a question of personal choice so I won't be telling everyone that they should attend even if they feel otherwise. I stongly agree with ur people's views that we should go atleast to support him if nothing else, after he's done so much for the linux community. I would also like to meet the members of the LUG there as I haven't met anyone from here before.
On 1/17/06, प्रवीण् ए (Praveen A) pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2006/1/17, Mrugesh Karnik mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com:
For one thing, Shuttleworth isn't a programmer or a developer and secondly, there's nothing wrong with people wanting technical talks instead of business talks.
I would suggest you to got to www.google.com and search for 'Mark Shuttleorth' before writing such ignorant comments as this.
As Anurag pointed out he has been a Debian developer in the past.
<quote> Most of my time is devoted to the Ubuntu project as cheerleader and chief whip. I've spent the last year or so focused on the [image: [WWW]] Launchpad<https://launchpad.net/>collaborative infrastructure, writing a fair portion of it and helping the team to define our goals.</quote> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
I do not have a sixth sense about these matters. Neither am I interested in
Ubuntu or Canonical. Well, I would be if they bought Gentoo... Thanks for letting me know though.
<quote> We synchronise our development with upstream, and with Debian, and with other distributions such as Suse and Gentoo and Mandrake and Red Hat, on a regular basis. </quote>
Is it because you already got some Free Ubuntu CDs :-) Yeah may be we should request Mark Shuttleworth to bring some Gentoo CDs to give it to you :-) Or can someone burn some Gentoo CDs for this guy and bring it to the meet?
Well, simple point. I do not have the resources to go in person to listen to
Ubuntu talks. Instead I can just go over the reports. Once again, I say, I'd be very interested in going in person if it isn't about Ubuntu.
It is OK if you cannot come. You don't have to convince all of us.
Whatever makes you think I use Windows... I wonder. Hehehe, funny how people are so quick to draw conclusions and assume things. Just because I don't want to listen to Ubuntu talk doesn't mean I'm a Windows user!
Well, How sad :-( Ubuntu team are making great improvements to the restart alaert box so that is pops up the message "You should restart the system for installtion to complete". It would have been great fun.
*Screenshot 8: New Restart Notification Dialog*
[image: restart-dialog]
Open your mind to
other possibilities too ;) And wait a minute.. isn't this the Linux Users' Group mailing list?
The list name says *"GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"*
Though this being my first flame war, I must say, flame wars are fun :D
Enjoy!
Cheers Praveen A -- "GNU is the system, and Linux is the kernel." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
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