Hi there,
Have you created an account on Linkedin without having to reveal the original password for the email id that is used as the username as well as prevent them from snooping into your contacts list? If so, your tips could help others from making mistakes like using their original email password.
Huh ? Guys what the hell are you talking about ? Of course, you can do that ! All the sites that i've ever been too which allow you to import contact information have that as a 'optional' step.
You don't *have* to reveal the original password for any email id. Agreed, the way the login workflow proceeds and is presented makes you think that it is an required step, but it isn't ! Try any of the social networking sites (including linkedin). You always have an option to /not/ automatically import your contacts.
However from the link provided by the OP, I was taken to a login page asking me for an email id as username and a password. I checked out the join today link for new users and there they ask for an email id and password. The privacy terms also state that among the information they will collect will be the email id and a password. For some reason they are not clear about the password, if it is the original or another one for the linkedin site. That is a gray area.
This is the exact statement ... "When you register an account to become a LinkedIn user (?User?), such as your name, e-mail, country, location, occupation and a password."
..../a/ password is a gray area ?? I would've felt if they wanted to make it grey they would have said "/the/ password".
The interesting thing is that while there is an agreement (in LinkedIn privacy policy) not to sell his email id to a spammer, there is nothing that prevents LinkedIn from selling your id to the spammer. An interesting view that I had not considered till I got this email.
FUD ! from their privacy policy: -------------------------------------- Contacts Information
In order to invite others to connect with you directly in LinkedIn, you may use the LinkedIn services to invite them if they are a User, or enter their names and email addresses. This information will be used by LinkedIn to send your invitation including a message that you write. The names and email addresses of people that you invite will be used only to send your invitation and reminders.
You may also choose to manually enter or upload data about your contacts into the private ?My contacts? section of the LinkedIn website. You may not invite anyone to connect with you whom you do not know. *****All information entered there will only be viewable by you and will not be searchable by others in the LinkedIn network without your permission. All information that you enter or upload about your contacts will be covered by the same terms of this privacy policy as cover your own information.***** --------------------------------------
Guys who are well connected by phone, mobile and internet are a general nuisance and a security hazard for the computer systems, especially doze. They spend more time staying connected than doing any serious work. I have seen such guys in different offices.
hmm ...so, the implication is that the people on linkedin are a nuisance, ehe ?
I guess, these guys fit the bill, right ? http://www.linkedin.com/in/linustorvalds http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/a37/2a
Ok, why am i getting so riled up about ? Well, unsubstantiated ranting and sweeping generalization is just as bad as ignorance. So, all you guys screaming at n00bs and saying stuff like ...
I hope your machine gets slammed with some virus that destroys all data. And I really hope your prospective professional employer sees this this post of mine and that leaves you perennial unemployed.
...are just as annoying as the n00bs.
You can choose to be civil about it, but you don't ! gah !
cheers, - steve
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM, steve@lonetwin.net wrote:
...are just as annoying as the n00bs.
You can choose to be civil about it, but you don't ! gah !
Why should I choose to be civil when someone is spamming my inbox? Lets say a terrorist shoots at you, he misses, what are you gonna do? Stand there let him take aim and kill you? Or are you going to crack his head open?
I'm on 2 mailing lists, in the past 2-3 days I've seen insane number of people sending such requests from god-knows-where. I mean don't people have anything better to do than register on some sites which spam? I cannot comprehend why a person can give out his email id and password to a third party website. Anyway, this is stupidity and such people need to be clobbered until they decide to no longer be stupid or stop spamming us.
Are you listening Mr.Amiya Sahoo?
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM, steve@lonetwin.net wrote:
...are just as annoying as the n00bs.
You can choose to be civil about it, but you don't ! gah !
Why should I choose to be civil when someone is spamming my inbox? Lets say a terrorist shoots at you, he misses, what are you gonna do? Stand there let him take aim and kill you? Or are you going to crack his head open?
I'm on 2 mailing lists, in the past 2-3 days I've seen insane number of people sending such requests from god-knows-where. I mean don't people have anything better to do than register on some sites which spam? I cannot comprehend why a person can give out his email id and password to a third party website.
You have not been listening. He did not give his password to the site. He gave the list of email ids to which he wants the site to send an invite on his behalf.
Anyway, this is stupidity and such people need to be clobbered until they decide to no longer be stupid or stop spamming us.
Are you listening Mr.Amiya Sahoo?
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:13, Saswata Banerjee scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
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I'm on 2 mailing lists, in the past 2-3 days I've seen insane number of people sending such requests from god-knows-where. I mean don't people have anything better to do than register on some sites which spam? I cannot comprehend why a person can give out his email id and password to a third party website.
You have not been listening. He did not give his password to the site. He gave the list of email ids to which he wants the site to send an invite on his behalf.
FWIW, from what I know most of this work is done through API's . The API's speak to each other and the whole address book is downloaded to the application. Now its to the user to either click blindly and send it to all or select from the list.
Most people just click blindly as it takes too much time to shift through stuff.
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Saswata Banerjee scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
You have not been listening. He did not give his password to the site. He gave the list of email ids to which he wants the site to send an invite on his behalf.
uh...where / who said that? Read the thread carefully. I checked out linkedin personally and it does ask you for your email id's password if you want to invite your friends. It doesn't give you the option of uploading some selective contacts. Try it for yourself. More over their email confirmation is very confusing. Why should I be asked to enter my password *again* once I click the confirmation link?
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Saswata Banerjee scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
You have not been listening. He did not give his password to the site. He gave the list of email ids to which he wants the site to send an invite on his behalf.
uh...where / who said that? Read the thread carefully. I checked out linkedin personally and it does ask you for your email id's password if you want to invite your friends. It doesn't give you the option of uploading some selective contacts. Try it for yourself. More over their email confirmation is very confusing. Why should I be asked to enter my password *again* once I click the confirmation link?
Ok, I checked LinkedIn again. I stand corrected. In case you are importing addresses from a webmail, you have to give your password for the same. (I changed my password after that). Whenever I have imported contacts, it has been from my thunderbird address book, in which case we have to create a ldf file using export command and upload into the system. I didnt bother about the other option of directly importing from webmail. I rarely use webmail.
To be fair to linkedin, their site clearly says that the contacts are your personal information and it will not be used by Linkedin or their partners, and that emails will not be sent to them, except as you direct (by selecting the relevant option in linkedin).
In nutshell, i see your point and agree.
Regards Saswata
Saswata Banerjee wrote:
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM, steve@lonetwin.net wrote:
...are just as annoying as the n00bs.
You can choose to be civil about it, but you don't ! gah !
Why should I choose to be civil when someone is spamming my inbox? Lets say a terrorist shoots at you, he misses, what are you gonna do? Stand there let him take aim and kill you? Or are you going to crack his head open?
I'm on 2 mailing lists, in the past 2-3 days I've seen insane number of people sending such requests from god-knows-where. I mean don't people have anything better to do than register on some sites which spam? I cannot comprehend why a person can give out his email id and password to a third party website.
You have not been listening. He did not give his password to the site. He gave the list of email ids to which he wants the site to send an invite on his behalf.
What makes you so sure of what he actually did?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
Are you listening Mr.Amiya Sahoo?
The conversation has been pretty interesting so far. But the protagonist Mr. Amiya Sahoo hasn't visited the list for last one year or so. I know him and I told him all this story thats happening on the list. He was least bothered and he said he deletes all mails from the list without reading them. I have asked him to unsubscribe.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Devranjan Das devranjandas@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
Are you listening Mr.Amiya Sahoo?
The conversation has been pretty interesting so far. But the protagonist Mr. Amiya Sahoo hasn't visited the list for last one year or so. I know him and I told him all this story thats happening on the list. He was least bothered and he said he deletes all mails from the list without reading them. I have asked him to unsubscribe.
So now all of us know how "professional" he is. I'd advise against doing any business with a person that's least bothered.
Yesudeep wrote:
So now all of us know how "professional" he is. I'd advise against doing any business with a person that's least bothered.
There is little chance of you doing work with him. I think he works for BARC or one of such govt departments. I think we now need to change the monthly mailerman email that comes and ask people to confirm that they are still on the list and if they dont reply, kick them out.
I have not head such stupid thinks as above for a long time. Probably because we have not had a chance in the past of someone knowing the offender personally and bothering to bring it to their notice. To that extent, I would like to thank Mr. Das for his efforts.
Regards Saswata
Devranjan Das wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
Are you listening Mr.Amiya Sahoo?
The conversation has been pretty interesting so far. But the protagonist Mr. Amiya Sahoo hasn't visited the list for last one year or so. I know him and I told him all this story thats happening on the list. He was least bothered and he said he deletes all mails from the list without reading them. I have asked him to unsubscribe.
At least this thread has got some interesting facts about some members who spam the list.
I have a suggestion to the list admins. Whenever the list receives any spam invitation, the member who sends it should acknowledge the mistake on this list. If there is no response, he gets unsubscribed.
2009/2/12 Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com:
At least this thread has got some interesting facts about some members who spam the list.
I have a suggestion to the list admins. Whenever the list receives any spam invitation, the member who sends it should acknowledge the mistake on this list. If there is no response, he gets unsubscribed.
Agreed. But we should put him/her on moderation instead. Don't know at how many more sites will he give away his addressbook.
Anurag
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
Agreed. But we should put him/her on moderation instead. Don't know at how many more sites will he give away his addressbook.
Such morons ...uh...unprofessional people ( and down right stupid, irresponsible and having a dont-care attitude which fits a government employee ) should be banned for life :) They can take their stupidity elsewhere.
2009/2/13 Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
Agreed. But we should put him/her on moderation instead. Don't know at how many more sites will he give away his addressbook.
Such morons ...uh...unprofessional people ( and down right stupid, irresponsible and having a dont-care attitude which fits a government employee ) should be banned for life :) They can take their stupidity elsewhere.
This is OT, but taking hot-headed decisions is not a good idea IMHO. Same thing goes for blanket statements about "government employees".
Mehul, please put people who lease out their address books on moderation.
Anurag
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
This is OT, but taking hot-headed decisions is not a good idea IMHO. Same thing goes for blanket statements about "government employees".
Mehul, please put people who lease out their address books on moderation.
Acts of foolishness need to be punished severely especially now that you know that the OP hasn't visited since past 1 year, doesn't give a s*** about his email to this list causing inconvenience to so many people? Ban him, for life I say. Its not a hot-headed decision, its a level-headed well thought out decision. I would be willing to understand if he apologized or he truly erred but in this case it is *not* so.
Ok the blanket statement was wrong. I apologize for it.
Lastly, putting these people on moderation will only increase a mods work load, it wont solve anything since after a while he'll be taken off the moderation list. This is when he might repeat his offense. By kicking him off the list, it will ensure two things. One, if the person is really interested and apologetic for his actions, he might use a different email id to register to the list which he may not so foolishly give out. Two, these sites like linkedin, they send out reminders if the contact hasn't responded to the person's invitation. In this case, that email will be dropped by mailman, saving a lot of people a lot of headache ( including mods ).
Isn't this solution better than moderating the person? His offense will repeat if linkedin sends a reminder and it will continue doing so until the OP decides to take linuxers off his linkedin profile.
2009/2/13 Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com:
foolishly give out. Two, these sites like linkedin, they send out reminders if the contact hasn't responded to the person's invitation. In this case, that email will be dropped by mailman, saving a lot of people a lot of headache ( including mods ).
I had not considered this possibility. So, the better solutions seems removing address-book leasers from the list and sending them a separate email stating why he/she was escorted out. These things are not a daily occurrence, so won't be much of a headache for mods.
Anurag
Anurag wrote:
2009/2/12 Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com:
At least this thread has got some interesting facts about some members who spam the list.
I have a suggestion to the list admins. Whenever the list receives any spam invitation, the member who sends it should acknowledge the mistake on this list. If there is no response, he gets unsubscribed.
Agreed. But we should put him/her on moderation instead. Don't know at how many more sites will he give away his addressbook.
True.
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