What do the informed Linuxers make of the Government threatening to clamp down on Blackberry, Skype, etc. again, unless they get a back door into the protocols?
Citation please!
Do you think it is primarily motivated by national security concerns, or by a desire to snoop on citizens? Do we have enough safeguards to ensure that this government intrusion would not be a tool for political vendetta or corruption?
And lastly, what can we do about it?
Comment.
In other news, http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78508/uid-misuse-may-attract-severe.html
On Thursday 01 July 2010 10:20 PM, gurteshwar singh wrote:
In other news, http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78508/uid-misuse-may-attract-severe.html
We try to keep our information private but when one is traveling abroad, the visa norms require one to submit income tax records etc. Some travel agents even want property and share records for submission although this can be flatly refused. The office boy collects all these papers for submission and this is the weakest link in the chain.
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
On Thursday 01 July 2010 10:20 PM, gurteshwar singh wrote:
In other news, http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78508/uid-misuse-may-attract-severe.html
We try to keep our information private but when one is traveling abroad, the visa norms require one to submit income tax records etc. Some travel agents even want property and share records for submission although this can be flatly refused. The office boy collects all these papers for submission and this is the weakest link in the chain.
Income Tax records are required just so that they are assured that you will have the money to buy a return ticket (and of course to take care of yourself once you are there). In most cases showing them an authenticated bank balance works as well.
Cheers,
Amol Hatwar
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Amol Hatwar amol.hatwar@exceed.co.inwrote:
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
On Thursday 01 July 2010 10:20 PM, gurteshwar singh wrote:
In other news,
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78508/uid-misuse-may-attract-severe.html
We try to keep our information private but when one is traveling abroad, the visa norms require one to submit income tax records etc. Some travel agents even want property and share records for submission although this can be flatly refused. The office boy collects all these papers for submission and this is the weakest link in the chain.
Income Tax records are required just so that they are assured that you will have the money to buy a return ticket (and of course to take care of yourself once you are there). In most cases showing them an authenticated bank balance works as well.
And from personal experience, these records (IT) are hardly ever asked for.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Amol Hatwar amol.hatwar@exceed.co.inwrote:
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
On Thursday 01 July 2010 10:20 PM, gurteshwar singh wrote:
In other news,
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78508/uid-misuse-may-attract-severe.html
We try to keep our information private but when one is traveling abroad, the visa norms require one to submit income tax records etc. Some travel agents even want property and share records for submission although this can be flatly refused. The office boy collects all these papers for submission and this is the weakest link in the chain.
Income Tax records are required just so that they are assured that you will have the money to buy a return ticket (and of course to take care of yourself once you are there). In most cases showing them an authenticated bank balance works as well.
Some countries require it for first time travel, like Europe. If one is not strict, the travel agents ask for too many personal details. Anyway my point is that privacy gets diluted at very low levels compared to the Govt. The office boys of travel agents, mediclaim TPAs, and other institutions have so much assess to peoples' documents.
On Sunday 04 July 2010 14:58:02 Rony Bill wrote:
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Amol Hatwar
amol.hatwar@exceed.co.inwrote:
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
On Thursday 01 July 2010 10:20 PM, gurteshwar singh wrote:
In other news,
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78508/uid-misuse-may-attract- severe.html
We try to keep our information private but when one is traveling abroad, the visa norms require one to submit income tax records etc. Some travel agents even want property and share records for submission although this can be flatly refused. The office boy collects all these papers for submission and this is the weakest link in the chain.
Income Tax records are required just so that they are assured that you will have the money to buy a return ticket (and of course to take care of yourself once you are there). In most cases showing them an authenticated bank balance works as well.
Some countries require it for first time travel, like Europe. If one is not strict, the travel agents ask for too many personal details. Anyway my point is that privacy gets diluted at very low levels compared to the Govt. The office boys of travel agents, mediclaim TPAs, and other institutions have so much assess to peoples' documents.
But not the power or ability to "misuse" it. Even when it is misused it is for some minor pecuniary gain. Where do you think you get those pesky marketing calls, emails and smss from?. It is misuse but nothing compared to what a government official can do to you. Innumerable cases where a muncipal officer has leaked info to the police, who have investigated using their official capability and tried to extort money.
On Sunday 04 July 2010 06:44 PM, jtd wrote:
On Sunday 04 July 2010 14:58:02 Rony Bill wrote:
Some countries require it for first time travel, like Europe. If one is not strict, the travel agents ask for too many personal details. Anyway my point is that privacy gets diluted at very low levels compared to the Govt. The office boys of travel agents, mediclaim TPAs, and other institutions have so much assess to peoples' documents.
But not the power or ability to "misuse" it. Even when it is misused it is for some minor pecuniary gain. Where do you think you get those pesky marketing calls, emails and smss from?. It is misuse but nothing compared to what a government official can do to you. Innumerable cases where a muncipal officer has leaked info to the police, who have investigated using their official capability and tried to extort money.
The original issue put up by the OP has 2 parts. One is the technical part where the foreign service provider has to comply with Govt. rules just as others have complied. No special treatment to any foreign entity. The other is the part where the citizens ensure that the Govt. appoints a proper authority to snoop and uses this authority with responsibility.
On Wednesday 07 July 2010 00:01:59 Rony wrote:
On Sunday 04 July 2010 06:44 PM, jtd wrote:
On Sunday 04 July 2010 14:58:02 Rony Bill wrote:
Some countries require it for first time travel, like Europe. If one is not strict, the travel agents ask for too many personal details. Anyway my point is that privacy gets diluted at very low levels compared to the Govt. The office boys of travel agents, mediclaim TPAs, and other institutions have so much assess to peoples' documents.
But not the power or ability to "misuse" it. Even when it is misused it is for some minor pecuniary gain. Where do you think you get those pesky marketing calls, emails and smss from?. It is misuse but nothing compared to what a government official can do to you. Innumerable cases where a muncipal officer has leaked info to the police, who have investigated using their official capability and tried to extort money.
The original issue put up by the OP has 2 parts. One is the technical part where the foreign service provider has to comply with Govt. rules just as others have complied.
Just follow due process and they have to comply, even by their own laws.
No special treatment to any foreign entity. The other is the part where the citizens ensure that the Govt. appoints a proper authority to snoop and uses this authority with responsibility.
Again. You can follow legal process and aquire any evidence, including emails. If someone refuses to co-operate he can be jailed. And the next person in the chain can be served.
What the government is asking is extra judicial snooping powers. Listening to our daily lives without a shred of evidence. Like sitting next to your bed, all the while, to see if you will commit a crime.
-- Regards,
Rony.
GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.
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