Hello,
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
Don't mind,but that's old news.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
There are potential license issues. Have a look at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Is_MS-Windows_Required
That apart, how do find its performance and rendering of (IE-only) sites? I have tried this already but that was many moons ago.
Regards, Mohan S N
On Mon, June 23, 2008 11:50 pm, Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
There are potential license issues. Have a look at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Is_MS-Windows_Required
That apart, how do find its performance and rendering of (IE-only) sites? I have tried this already but that was many moons ago.
It has worked well for me to test websites on IE - been using it for over a year now, I think.. Its rendering has almost always been accurate, i.e. reproduced most IE bugs:). afaik, it just had upto version 6 though... is it possible to get version 7 working ?
-Sanjay
Regards, Mohan S N -- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess.
-- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"]
Sanjay B wrote:
On Mon, June 23, 2008 11:50 pm, Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
There are potential license issues. Have a look at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Is_MS-Windows_Required
That apart, how do find its performance and rendering of (IE-only) sites? I have tried this already but that was many moons ago.
It has worked well for me to test websites on IE - been using it for over a year now, I think.. Its rendering has almost always been accurate, i.e. reproduced most IE bugs:). afaik, it just had upto version 6 though... is it possible to get version 7 working ?
IE 7 requires Windoze XP SP 2 or higher, and i could not get anything requiring that condition to run under wine. Would anyways never want to do that unless i need to develop a website or get admission in Engineering colleges in Maharashtra through MHCET [1] :(
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
There are potential license issues. Have a look at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Is_MS-Windows_Required
That apart, how do find its performance and rendering of (IE-only) sites? I have tried this already but that was many moons ago.
A client of mine has a Bank of India online account and it does not work without IE and JVM. In my test IE on Linux, I could reach the login page without errors. Just before opening the page it asked for downloading JVM. Surprisingly it downloaded automatically and fast and the page was rendered. However this has to be done every time as there is no OS where JVM can be saved to.
As a test, go to http://www.bankofindia.com/home/startpage.asp and under Internet Banking on the left side, click on 'Star Connect Retail (For Core Banking)'. You will receive an error. Now try it in IE for Linux.
If anyone can offer a solution to open this page in Firefox without using IE4Lin that would be great. :-)
On 24-Jun-08, at 11:30 PM, Rony wrote:
If anyone can offer a solution to open this page in Firefox without using IE4Lin that would be great. :-)
please take this offlist - I personally do not want to go to jail
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 24-Jun-08, at 11:30 PM, Rony wrote:
If anyone can offer a solution to open this page in Firefox without using IE4Lin that would be great. :-)
please take this offlist - I personally do not want to go to jail
Now what's illegal about Firefox and no IE?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 24-Jun-08, at 11:30 PM, Rony wrote:
If anyone can offer a solution to open this page in Firefox without using IE4Lin that would be great. :-)
please take this offlist - I personally do not want to go to jail
You will go to jail only if you suggest an "illegal" solution :)
Regards, Mohan S N
On 23-Jun-08, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 23-Jun-08, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
In my system I have a legal copy of Windows.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
In my system I have a legal copy of Windows.
We are talking about Linux. If you have legal copy of Windows, please ask their customer support, not here.
Thanks.
Kartik Mistry wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
In my system I have a legal copy of Windows.
We are talking about Linux. If you have legal copy of Windows, please ask their customer support, not here.
No one's asking you anything. We are talking about IE in GNU/Linux.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
No one's asking you anything. We are talking about IE in GNU/Linux.
Its illegal.
On 24-Jun-08, at 10:26 AM, Rony wrote:
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
In my system I have a legal copy of Windows.
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 24-Jun-08, at 10:26 AM, Rony wrote:
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
In my system I have a legal copy of Windows.
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
I will go through it.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Just a question, probably flamebait, so hiding behind a firewall ;)
Why can't Firefox/epiphany/konqueror/<insert your favourite FOS browser here>, instead of just not working on EI-only sites, work in a compatibility mode (i.e. support their lameness), while at the same time informing the user that the web designer is a lazy fool who doesn't really know his skill at all? BTW, I'm only talking about the IE way of doing javascript, not activex.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar < siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Just a question, probably flamebait, so hiding behind a firewall ;)
Why can't Firefox/epiphany/konqueror/<insert your favourite FOS browser here>, instead of just not working on EI-only sites, work in a compatibility mode (i.e. support their lameness), while at the same time informing the user that the web designer is a lazy fool who doesn't really know his skill at all? BTW, I'm only talking about the IE way of doing javascript, not activex.
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and not care about standards,openness or anything.If they don't work,he *might* ,at the minimum,use Firefox's Report Broken Website dialog to inform Mozilla,and we can thus reduce the number of IE-only sites out there.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
IE is a crap , even i have to browse a ie only website i will try to make it go in firefox .
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Easwar Hariharan meindian523@gmail.com wrote:
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and not care about standards,openness or anything.If they don't work,he *might* ,at the minimum,use Firefox's Report Broken Website dialog to inform Mozilla,and we can thus reduce the number of IE-only sites out there.
Well we don't need to complain about standards compliance per-say... Firefox could simply complain that "the designer has made the site incorrectly and that it may be error prone and hence unsafe to use" or something to that effect.
'Hall of Shame' really doesn't make much difference to most website designers. Perhaps a browser that can put up with their crap as well as educate users about their ineptness may change things a bit.
That said, most designes also tend to get away with it by saying, "Don't worry, the site is perfectly fine. It seems to be a bug in Firefox. See, it works fine in IE". So in that case, it could be a not-so-good idea to support the crap...
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar < siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Easwar Hariharan meindian523@gmail.com wrote:
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and
not
care about standards,openness or anything.If they don't work,he *might*
,at
the minimum,use Firefox's Report Broken Website dialog to inform
Mozilla,and
we can thus reduce the number of IE-only sites out there.
Well we don't need to complain about standards compliance per-say... Firefox could simply complain that "the designer has made the site incorrectly and that it may be error prone and hence unsafe to use" or something to that effect.
'Hall of Shame' really doesn't make much difference to most website designers.
Well,what you said about supporting and informing users about the ineptness constitutes of a Hall of Fame.Assuming that Mozilla actually does intervene in the case of broken websites,that intervention goes directly to the web developer and he's seized of the problem.
Perhaps a browser that can put up with their crap as well
as educate users about their ineptness may change things a bit.
That said, most designes also tend to get away with it by saying, "Don't worry, the site is perfectly fine. It seems to be a bug in Firefox. See, it works fine in IE". So in that case, it could be a not-so-good idea to support the crap...
+1. :)
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar < siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Just a question, probably flamebait, so hiding behind a firewall ;)
Why can't Firefox/epiphany/konqueror/<insert your favourite FOS browser here>, instead of just not working on EI-only sites, work in a compatibility mode (i.e. support their lameness), while at the same time informing the user that the web designer is a lazy fool who doesn't really know his skill at all? BTW, I'm only talking about the IE way of doing javascript, not activex.
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and not care about standards,openness or anything.
People who have their online banking/share-trading accounts working since many years cannot be expected to move to FOSS and close those accounts or stop trading simply due to standards compliance. As technical people we have to try to provide the middle path which allows them to make the switch to FOSS without undergoing a castration.
If they don't work,he *might* ,at the minimum,use Firefox's Report Broken Website dialog to inform Mozilla,and we can thus reduce the number of IE-only sites out there.
On Tuesday 24 Jun 2008 23:41, Rony wrote:
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and not care about standards,openness or anything.
People who have their online banking/share-trading accounts working since many years cannot be expected to move to FOSS and close those accounts or stop trading simply due to standards compliance. As technical people we have to try to provide the middle path which allows them to make the switch to FOSS without undergoing a castration.
;-). His family jewels are already in somebody else's hands. Only matter of time before smart skript kiddie from A'bad get hold of the account.
jtd wrote:
On Tuesday 24 Jun 2008 23:41, Rony wrote:
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and not care about standards,openness or anything.
People who have their online banking/share-trading accounts working since many years cannot be expected to move to FOSS and close those accounts or stop trading simply due to standards compliance. As technical people we have to try to provide the middle path which allows them to make the switch to FOSS without undergoing a castration.
;-). His family jewels are already in somebody else's hands. Only matter of time before smart skript kiddie from A'bad get hold of the account.
HeHe!
Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and
not
care about standards,openness or anything.
People who have their online banking/share-trading accounts working since many years cannot be expected to move to FOSS and close those accounts or stop trading simply due to standards compliance. As technical people we have to try to provide the middle path which allows them to make the switch to FOSS without undergoing a castration.
Well,I never expected those users to close their accounts and stop trading shares to switch to FOSS.I agree with you that as techies,we have to provide the golden mean,but the point is based on a notion that I(or we,in case you are generalising) expected them to give up their accounts and trading so that they could switch to FOSS(mistaken notion,I might add)
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar < siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Just a question, probably flamebait, so hiding behind a firewall ;)
Why can't Firefox/epiphany/konqueror/<insert your favourite FOS browser here>, instead of just not working on EI-only sites, work in a compatibility mode (i.e. support their lameness), while at the same time informing the user that the web designer is a lazy fool who doesn't really know his skill at all? BTW, I'm only talking about the IE way of doing javascript, not activex.
-- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.in -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
I think I have a solution to this problem. I'd like to call it
"Autogreasemonkey"
The two parts of the solution 1. Use greasemonkey and a bit of user-agent magic to get around the Website's flaws. 2. Create a Firefox plugin that automatically downloads "fixer" scripts when it detects you're browsing a blacklisted Website and apply that script providing seamless browser experience.
I don't know if this is possible, but it would surely hit home with the user.
Now someone needs to write Autogreasemonkey and a whole lot of workaround scripts (perhaps a community could write the last bit).
What say you? :-)
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Searched for a long time but I could not find any IE EULA on Microsoft's website. There is one IEAK EULA but that is for the IE Administrator Kit. However Here are some links that put things more clearly.
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3629786
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/ieplatform/ie/license.txt
http://www.thewebmasterscafe.net/web-design/install-ie-on-linux.html
If you have any link to the EULA which prevents use of IE on other OSs, then please let me know.
Rony wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
Searched for a long time but I could not find any IE EULA on Microsoft's website. There is one IEAK EULA but that is for the IE Administrator Kit. However Here are some links that put things more clearly.
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3629786
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/ieplatform/ie/license.txt
http://www.thewebmasterscafe.net/web-design/install-ie-on-linux.html
If you have any link to the EULA which prevents use of IE on other OSs, then please let me know.
i guess you get to read it while installing IE. try running a setup under wine or doze of course..
sheesh! even the thought of it makes me sick. but do linux users have a choice. if anyone is an active member on the "hall of shame", please add the DTE website to it, if not already done. It, in fact, deserves to top the shame-charts. With 100s of 1000s of students (n yeah, firefox users, even if they using doze) can't open this website at all to fill their online applications for admission to first year of engineering in Maharashtra. i feel designers of such a page are actually committing a crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and IE 7 till the time of posting this message!
Regards km { LINUXERS http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers /}
"Everything thats legal aint always right and everything thats right aint always legal! " km
Hi ! i guess i wont be a customer to a bank who does not give any flexibilty and i am happy that i am not .
may be the bank should be in hall of super shame :p
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Regards, Mohan S N
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Sorry, my mistake.. Its the "Apply Now" link on that page [1] that is actually messed up. Please try that with Firefox 3.0b5 too. I don't have that installed, however it doesn't work with Firefox 2 at all
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not find anything like that even on the Debian packages site.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not find anything like that even on the Debian packages site.
Check http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php Try this at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it.
On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not find anything like that even on the Debian packages site.
try backports.org.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Doesn't work with FF 3.0 Final Version.Working on Ubuntu 8.04.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Doesn't work with FF 3.0 Final Version.Working on Ubuntu 8.04.
On a doze machine I tried it on Firefox3 but it still gave the same error.
On a doze machine I tried it on Firefox3 but it still gave the same error.
Rony.
I can open it with FireFox 3 on Ubuntu 8.04, no issues faced.
Swapnil
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Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:
On a doze machine I tried it on Firefox3 but it still gave the same error.
Rony.
I can open it with FireFox 3 on Ubuntu 8.04, no issues faced.
Are you able to reach the login page for retail banking?
jtd wrote:
On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not find anything like that even on the Debian packages site.
try backports.org.
I already have backports repos in apt but I will check it out again.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
jtd wrote:
On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not find anything like that even on the Debian packages site.
try backports.org.
I already have backports repos in apt but I will check it out again.
If you plan to install FF 3.0 from backports,it's not,I believe of any use,refer my previous mail,it doesn't work on Ubuntu 8.04,which I believe is based on Sid.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On 24-Jun-08, at 11:20 PM, Rony wrote:
If you have any link to the EULA which prevents use of IE on other OSs, then please let me know.
go to the download page of IE - it clearly states what platforms you are allowed to use it on. Linux is not in the list.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 23-Jun-08, at 10:56 PM, Rony wrote:
To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
just remember that installing IE on linux is illegal
How then, does IETab work? Is it also illegal? Regards, Mohan S N
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