hello all, seams the project for radio guided sign post is not on the minds of any of the members out here. what should be our next step. we had the meeting rather two meetings and the project seams to have stopped at that point. jtd, could you please email me off the list and provide your contact number. I had lost it some time back. anurag had given some nice ideas in the meeting at HBCSE and I think we can start with it for a simple system. anurag please comment on this. the bar code reading was also a good idea to do a prototype at a very cheep rage. Krishnakant.
On Friday 06 October 2006 11:35, krishnakant Mane wrote:
hello all, seams the project for radio guided sign post is not on the minds of any of the members out here. what should be our next step. we had the meeting rather two meetings and the project seams to have stopped at that point.
Pilot project at NAB?
anurag had given some nice ideas in the meeting at HBCSE and I think we can start with it for a simple system. anurag please comment on this.
the bar code reading was also a good idea to do a prototype at a very cheep rage.
How is that going to work. U will have a 3 foot long barcode for 180 spoken words per minute.
On 06/10/06, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
Pilot project at NAB?
no way! I know the internals of NAB and by all means they are not going to take this up because unfortunately NAB Mumbai is nothing but a house of curruption and negligence. take my case for example, today I would never have been on this list as a researcher and software developer had I been with them. they are not wanting the blind people to grow independent because then their system will be opened (the mistake britishers did by educating the indians). they had opposed my parents who had put me in a regular school. they had even opposed my campaigns to promote computer awareness for the blind. but there I was successful and forced them to except it. again for the sake of pure earning, they are promoting windows based screen readers and even after demonstrating emacspeak, they refuse to except it. any ways this is off topic and a very very long story of curruption amongst the high to low officials at the organisation. so NAB IS OUT OF QUESTION. I had put up a project for a good screen reader on windows and refered them to even NAB delhi who had done a start on that. but they just threw away the project. they had given a similar rash treatment to scientists from IIT who had a good rehabilitation project for blind. same case with Tata. and ask many blind successful people and like me they too will tell you how much haracement they have faced. so they wont do it.
the bar code reading was also a good idea to do a prototype at a very cheep rage.
How is that going to work. U will have a 3 foot long barcode for 180 spoken words per minute.
I think it was ronny who started the barcode topic may be he is the right person. I remember anurag had mentioned about RFIDs. regards Krishnakant.
krishnakant Mane wrote:
I think it was ronny who started the barcode topic may be he is the right person. I remember anurag had mentioned about RFIDs.
If the barcode is 3 ft long, no problem. What I had in mind was a letter/a4 size page with bar codes of say, 1 inch height all arranged in multiple lines across the page and till the end of the page. A mobile device with a megapixel camera takes a snap and in the phone, an OCR converts this code into speech. We need not follow conventional bar code standards. Any bar code experts on this list who can provide inputs?
Regards,
Rony.
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On Friday 06 October 2006 22:35, Rony wrote:
krishnakant Mane wrote:
I think it was ronny who started the barcode topic may be he is the right person. I remember anurag had mentioned about RFIDs.
If the barcode is 3 ft long, no problem. What I had in mind was a letter/a4 size page with bar codes of say, 1 inch height all arranged in multiple lines across the page and till the end of the page. A mobile device with a megapixel camera takes a snap and in the phone, an OCR converts this code into speech.
And how exctly do you think a visually handicapped person is going to position himself to take a shot?.
We need not follow conventional bar code standards. Any bar code experts on this list who can provide inputs?
That is the absolute worst think u could probably do - think standards always. Rony please think in detail about practical problems, and the value being added to the orginal idea of signposts for visually impaired. In this case the fm thingy beats all others hands down. So unless a new idea adds value substantially to the original goal we are wasting energy.
jtd wrote:
On Friday 06 October 2006 22:35, Rony wrote:
If the barcode is 3 ft long, no problem. What I had in mind was a letter/a4 size page with bar codes of say, 1 inch height all arranged in multiple lines across the page and till the end of the page. A mobile device with a megapixel camera takes a snap and in the phone, an OCR converts this code into speech.
And how exctly do you think a visually handicapped person is going to position himself to take a shot?.
Yes this point had come up when I was discussing with Krish. I had suggested that the sign board is like a notice board and it has a small stand at a short pre defined distance where the user places his hand and positions the camera phone. Something like the chin holder guide where one places his face for the eye testing machine.
We need not follow conventional bar code standards. Any bar code experts on this list who can provide inputs?
That is the absolute worst think u could probably do - think standards always.
Till the foreigners come up with new standards and we follow them later. ;)
Rony please think in detail about practical problems, and the value being added to the orginal idea of signposts for visually impaired. In this case the fm thingy beats all others hands down. So unless a new idea adds value substantially to the original goal we are wasting energy.
The bar code sign board is meant to remove any power requirement thats necessary for FM and make the entire system, a passive software transfer. Even if some vandals destroy the paper, Its only a new paper that has to be replaced. The paper can be placed behind a protective transparent medium. Cost of the entire board is bare minimum.
Regards,
Rony.
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The bar code sign board is meant to remove any power requirement thats necessary for FM and make the entire system, a passive software transfer. Even if some vandals destroy the paper, Its only a new paper that has to be replaced. The paper can be placed behind a protective transparent medium. Cost of the entire board is bare minimum.
Even Simpler.. Put Braille coded direction on railing.
Best Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh. Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd 10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, Nagpur-440022, INDIA. Cell +919422113746
hello all, seams the project for radio guided sign post is not on the minds of any of the members out here. what should be our next step. we had the meeting rather two meetings and the project seams to have stopped at that point. jtd, could you please email me off the list and provide your contact number. I had lost it some time back. anurag had given some nice ideas in the meeting at HBCSE and I think we can start with it for a simple system. anurag please comment on this. the bar code reading was also a good idea to do a prototype at a very
I am sorry to discourage a bit, but from the beginning the idea seems to be a big flop. The reason was software guys were commenting on hardware (very dangers) except a few like JTD, and other. I had suggested a cheapest solution but it was, blown away in bluetooth, tcpip, webserver, barcode and ... Once again I will repeat my idea.
Install low power FM transmitter (range 25 meter) at each junction. The frequency will be fix and it will used by all transmitter at other junctions. The pedestrian will need to have a FM radio tuned to that frequency. The transmitter will play prerecorded message giving direction. Where ever he goes he will get prerecorded message for that junction.
This is real low cost solution.
Installation cost - At junction - Low power FM transmitter with prerecorded message - Rs. 1000-2000. For User - FM receiver - Rs 100.
Bricks and bats, welcome.
Best Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh. Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd 10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, Nagpur-440022 Cell - 9422113746
On 06/10/06, Mukund Deshmukh betacomp_ngp@sancharnet.in wrote:
I am sorry to discourage a bit, but from the beginning the idea seems to be a big flop. The reason was software guys were commenting on hardware (very dangers) except a few like JTD, and other. I had suggested a cheapest solution but it was, blown away in bluetooth, tcpip, webserver, barcode and ... Once again I will repeat my idea.
Install low power FM transmitter (range 25 meter) at each junction. The frequency will be fix and it will used by all transmitter at other junctions. The pedestrian will need to have a FM radio tuned to that frequency. The transmitter will play prerecorded message giving direction. Where ever he goes he will get prerecorded message for that junction.
and who pays for the fm licensing? this issue was discussed at length and it wont be leagul for us to do such a thing. and the problem from the point of views of audio interfacing is to see from which way a blind person is approaching the post and weather to give him a "go to left" or "go to right ". there are other problems too as such a fm system will not provide for any interaction. for example I want to decide out of the 10 places where exactly I want to go. regards. Krishnakant.
and who pays for the fm licensing?
The transmitter are very low power and I think licensing issue will net be there (may be i am wrong).
this issue was discussed at length and it wont be leagul for us to do such a thing. and the problem from the point of views of audio interfacing is to see from which way a blind person is approaching the post and weather to give him a "go to left" or "go to right ". there are other problems too as such a fm system will not provide for any interaction. for example I want to decide out of the 10 places where exactly I want to go. regards.
The sample message will be, // Welcome to XYZ square. If you are coming from ABC then take left turn for DEF, right turn for GHI...
If you are coming from JKL then take left turn for GHI, right turn for DEF... And so on. //
Remember, cost is a major factor, for installation or the user.
Secondly this will be helpful for the other people (not blind) who are new to that area.
Best Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh. Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd 10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, Nagpur-440022 Cell - 9422113746
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