--- komal agencies_ad1@sancharnet.in wrote:
In konquer.
Well, if you use a scroll mouse, take the mouse over the horizontal scrollbar and scroll.
happy scrolling..., R
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Well, if you use a scroll mouse, take the mouse over the horizontal scrollbar and scroll.
happy scrolling..., R
Thank you it worked. Though I have one question. In windows mouse driver automatically detect whether to perform horizontal scroll or vertical depending upon the content of window data.Is it possible to setup this in Linux? Taking mouse to horizontal scrollbar is quite incontinent.
Regards
Komal
--- komal agencies_ad1@sancharnet.in wrote:
Well, if you use a scroll mouse, take the mouse
over
the horizontal scrollbar and scroll.
happy scrolling..., R
Thank you it worked. Though I have one question. In windows mouse driver automatically detect whether to perform horizontal scroll or vertical
Use 'Galeon' web browser. It lets you perform scrolling akin to Microsucks Internet Explorer, where you click the middle mouse button once, and move the mouse left-right or up-down to get scrolling in the desired direction. Clicking the middle-button again, disables the action. I know of no other browser that implements such scrolling behavior in Linux. Although, Mozilla Firefox may have a similar feature.
R
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This has been the most horrible experience i have had in the recent times, Redhat had invited people from the Industry for their just concluded Event on Open Source, and after receiving a mail confirmation on the same, and reaching the venue on time, we where not allowed inside, on the pretext that we had only Registered on the website (Why on the first place did they Invite all to Register on the Website is not known and hard to understand), Just b'cause the Event was held at a Prestigious Hotel with a Cocktail dinner??? the guys where not attended to and allowed to participate?? well Redhat has to come up with some Answers for the same. Numerous people who may have canceled their appointments and work just to attended this Event where to their horror left out of the Event without any Courtesy, Hope Javed Tapia, Sachin Dabir, Animesh Singh, Rama Singh, Our own Venky, and miss Aditi's listening, are we seeing an Emerging Alternative to Microsoft and the Likes, or does Redhat want to portray that they are the Only Ones providing Open Source Solutions, If they feel thay have a Monopoly on GNU Based Distributions thay are for a shock. I have my grievances not b'cause i missed out on a cocktail party, but the way people where treated from our own community at Such Events. The hard work of numerous GNU Community Soldiers is being capitalized buy such a disorganized company as Redhat, and they want to term them selfs as Leaders who are taking the Industry towards Open source.
Regards yayati.
---- quoting Rehats Confirmation mail.
Thank you for your interest in the Red Hat World Tour 2004. You are currently registered for the following event in Mumbai:
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004 Time: 6-9:30pm Venue: The Taj Mahal Palace and Tower Address: Apollo Bunder, Mumbai 400 001 Function Room: Chrystal Central Hotel Ph: 91 22 5665 3366
Come listen to Red Hat executives, engineers, and product managers, as well as partners Intel and Oracle, explain how open source is creating faster, cheaper, more secure and reliable solutions. Come ask questions. Give us feedback. And learn how the Open Source Architecture model gives companies the choice they need to improve their business.
This has been the most horrible experience i have had in the recent times, Redhat had invited people from the Industry for their just concluded Event on Open Source, and after receiving a mail confirmation on the same, and reaching the venue on time, we where not allowed inside, on the pretext that we had only Registered on the website (Why on the first place did they Invite all to Register on the Website is not known and hard to understand), Just b'cause the Event was held at a Prestigious Hotel with a Cocktail dinner??? the guys where not attended to and allowed to participate?? well Redhat has to come up with some Answers for the same.
well it will be same old pep talk !!, why should u expect them to respond.
Numerous people who may have canceled their appointments and work just to attended this Event where to their horror left out of the Event without any Courtesy, Hope Javed Tapia, Sachin Dabir, Animesh Singh, Rama Singh, Our own Venky, and miss Aditi's listening, are we seeing an Emerging Alternative to Microsoft and the Likes, or does Redhat want to portray that they are the Only Ones providing Open Source Solutions, If they feel thay have a Monopoly on GNU Based Distributions thay are for a shock.
Why did u go to such an event when u were aware that this is goin to happen , simple solution boycott these kind of events , hey organize these kind of events on behalf of user group. show them how good u r with knowledge not with anger and frustration.Give them there own dog food ;-)
I have my grievances not b'cause i missed out on a cocktail party, but the way people where treated from our own community at Such Events. The hard work of numerous GNU Community Soldiers is being capitalized buy such a disorganized company as Redhat, and they want to term them selfs as Leaders who are taking the Industry towards Open source.
this is common across the board either u are doing somemthing to change this or accepting there terms and living with it. The lesser said about all these ppl the better, lets focus our energies on building somethin rather than cribbing.
Nagarjuna and etal if u guys are listening oraganize somethin on a scale and beat them pants down.
i hope then only numerous ppl like Yayati will be happy !!
Yayati dude we are all with you tell us when and where the event is going to happen we will all flock.
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, yayati singh wrote:
This has been the most horrible experience i have had in the recent times, Redhat had invited people from the Industry for their just concluded Event on Open Source, and after receiving a mail confirmation on the same, and reaching the venue on time, we where not allowed inside, on the pretext that we had only Registered on the website (Why on the first place did they Invite all to Register on the Website is not known and hard to understand), ...........
I too registered for the event, by email. Yesterday redhat called me up and confirmed whether I am attending the event or not. I said no to them as I was tied up with something else.
I guess Redhat administration is the culprit in your case.
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Morning YS,
With respect to commercial organisations.....yes we do have different schools of thought and some of them decide to preach OpenSource vis-a-viv Free Software since it helps them make a buck or two. Their making $$$ through healthy business practices is essential for the economic fabric of OS-FSF to prosper. You may not agree with me on some of my concerns and that fine.
Yes, you did get shoved by them but this is more of a logistical issue that i am sure they would regret. Essentially.......as any other organisation in this world they are commercial minded, i have learnt that the hard way too. So like everyone else....you too are expendable. I can assure you of the same....the guy there will offer you a red carpet to get his/her image or job done and chuck you out when they don't need you any longer.
They all are be the same..........cause $$$$ come before your and my passion for FSF-OS. Try not to mix them up in your mind cause i did that sometime ago and i suffered at their hands. I also learnt the hard way that passion always doesn't pay, it can also back fire.
A kind suggestion would be to stay away from anyone pple like RH-SuSE Novell if you feel that commercialisation of OS-FSF hurts you. Cause at the bottom of it.....he wants to make more money, he wants to be bigger, he wants his bottom line to grow, he wants to be the only one to feed Gnu-Linux to Enterprises world wide.......!! In a capitalist society like ours, you can't call that a crime right..????.
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yayati singh wrote:
This has been the most horrible experience i have had in the recent times, Redhat had invited people from the Industry for their just concluded Event on Open Source, and after receiving a mail confirmation on the same, and reaching the venue on time, we where not allowed inside, on the pretext that we had only Registered on the website
Dont worry Yayati, from what i saw there, It was a really nice presentation. They showcased their latest technologies that they are working on. Their CEO, gave a nice presentation on a Windows laptop using Microsoft Powerpoint slides. A video of Redhat Advt. was also shown on Windows Media Player. It showed models working on Windows machines and saying "I am RedHat" .... Screenshots of Internet Explorer were quoted.
Really it was a nice opportunity to see a demonstration of Microsoft Technologies.
-Anurag
hi ,
Well done anurag.Now yayati will have a good night's sleep as well as good laughter.
Pankaj
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:05:13 -0400, Anurag anurag@hbcse.tifr.res.in wrote:
Dont worry Yayati, from what i saw there, It was a really nice presentation. They showcased their latest technologies that they are working on. Their CEO, gave a nice presentation on a Windows laptop using Microsoft Powerpoint slides. A video of Redhat Advt. was also shown on Windows Media Player. It showed models working on Windows machines and saying "I am RedHat" .... Screenshots of Internet Explorer were quoted.
Really it was a nice opportunity to see a demonstration of Microsoft Technologies.
Well I had been to a presentation by Novell and they used their own GNU/Linux based products to showcase it. Redhat is setting a bad precedent here and is a bad advertisement for open-source software. Potraying FLOSS as anti-M$ is presenting a very narrow view of the distinct advantages of FLOSS.
<disclaimer> I am just an enduser and not anyway related commercially with Redhat or Novell. </disclaimer>
A video of Redhat Advt. was also shown on Windows Media Player. It showed models working on Windows machines and saying "I am RedHat" .... Screenshots of Internet Explorer were quoted.
Really it was a nice opportunity to see a demonstration of Microsoft Technologies.
;-)
BTW.. althought I think RedHat should have made the efforts necessary to make sure a DVD player was made available, this appeared more a Hotel Provided Notebook to play DVDs.
Red Hat I think may have delivered to TAJ Hotel the DVD Video to be played on any DVD player. All TAJ had to offer was one of their fancy Windows XP Notebooks that came stock with a DVD player.
This is all speculation though.
Rishi
Red Hat I think may have delivered to TAJ Hotel the DVD Video to be played on any DVD player. All TAJ had to offer was one of their fancy Windows XP Notebooks that came stock with a DVD player.
This is all speculation though.
I dont think its that way... Those CEOs seemed to be well prepared for their presentations. Otherwise how does it explain use of Microsoft Powerpoint slides by RedHat's own people ?
Those guys repeatedly claimed its all about freedom and choice. and shamelessly showed powerpoint slides.
-Anurag
I dont think its that way... Those CEOs seemed to be well prepared for their presentations. Otherwise how does it explain use of Microsoft Powerpoint slides by RedHat's own people ?
I don't want to sound like I am defending Red Hat, but the person that gave a presentation on Power Point / Windows XP IBM Notebook was from the UTI bank and not from Red Hat.
The guys from Red Hat gave presentations on Open Office Impress. I did not attend the presentations given by Oracle and Intel... and if they used MS Windows / Power Point, I guess they are free to do so because they don't care about free software.
Those guys repeatedly claimed its all about freedom and choice. and shamelessly showed powerpoint slides.
In a way what they (Red Hat) are saying (choice/freedom) still holds... However, I guess they aren't referring to the same freedom's of Free Software / GNU GPL.
They cannot impose their clients (UTI) to switch from MS Windows & Office to GNU/Linux with Open Office on the Desktop if they want to request them to give a presentation on the case study for their Red Hat / Oracle call centre CRM solution which is purely a server based solution.
They have to offer freedom of choice to the end user which is to allow the end user to decide if he wants to use free or non-free software.
Also the fact that Red Hat has a tie up with non-free software organizations like Oracle to deliver a solution jointly to the enterprise clearly means they do not give a damn about ethical issues of freedom in free software.
Bottom line.. Red Hat is a commercial organization and will never care about ethics. They misuse the word freedom to their advantage.
Creating and using free software is advantageous to their Business Model. They do not care about the freedom part about free software / GNU GPL.
Commerce comes first ... Ethics comes second.
That is why I have in the recent past tried to get people to switch to Debian...
OK .. I guess I better stop rambling... :-)
Bye...
Regards
Rishi
On 03/10/04 18:02 +0530, Rishi wrote: <snip>
Also the fact that Red Hat has a tie up with non-free software organizations like Oracle to deliver a solution jointly to the enterprise clearly means they do not give a damn about ethical issues of freedom in free software.
The freedom to choose also implies the right to choose closed source software.
Bottom line.. Red Hat is a commercial organization and will never care about ethics. They misuse the word freedom to their advantage.
Huh? RedHat as a business is quite ethical. They offer the choice of application to their customers. If the customers want to stick to closed source applications, that is the right of the customer.
Creating and using free software is advantageous to their Business Model. They do not care about the freedom part about free software / GNU GPL.
Commerce comes first ... Ethics comes second.
That is why I have in the recent past tried to get people to switch to Debian...
And any business person will ask: Where are the applications? Businesses need not only the "geek" applications, but a lot of custom built software, which usually runs on Windows, or is closed source. I don't see too many business applications available from the Open Source world at the moment. Particularly applications suited to specific vertical segments like financials, or banking, or CRM, or cross division collaboration (think Exchange or Lotus Notes -- OGo and Kroupware are not quite there yet).
Devdas Bhagat
And any business person will ask: Where are the applications? Businesses need not only the "geek" applications, but a lot of custom built software, which usually runs on Windows, or is closed source. I don't see too many business applications available from the Open Source world at the moment. Particularly applications suited to specific vertical segments like financials, or banking, or CRM, or cross division collaboration (think Exchange or Lotus Notes -- OGo and Kroupware are not quite there yet).
Devdas Bhagat
Literally reading my mind. Without application operating systems is useless. Only reason why there are tens of thousand of old Novell server running legacy ERP applications are these applications run only on Novell netware
komal
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 03:21:31PM +0530, komal wrote:
And any business person will ask: Where are the applications? Businesses need not only the "geek" applications, but a lot of custom built software, which usually runs on Windows, or is closed source. I don't see too many business applications available from the Open Source world at the moment. Particularly applications suited to specific vertical segments like financials, or banking, or CRM, or cross division collaboration (think Exchange or Lotus Notes -- OGo and Kroupware are not quite there yet).
Devdas Bhagat
Literally reading my mind. Without application operating systems is useless. Only reason why there are tens of thousand of old Novell server running legacy ERP applications are these applications run only on Novell netware
hmmm, typical Indian "IT manager" thinking. Yes, please be offended, I mean it.
Those custom applications built for Windows can also be built for Linux/BSD systems. Only thing is that you have to invest in getting them developed. Sometimes there is no need for going into a new system/platform when the present system fulfils your requirements. Business applications are customised, so you can't have a "one-size-fits-all" thing.
My 2 paise,
Nosferatu
On 05/10/04 13:14 +0530, Nosferatu!!! wrote: <snip>
hmmm, typical Indian "IT manager" thinking. Yes, please be offended, I mean it.
I say that too :).
Those custom applications built for Windows can also be built for Linux/BSD systems. Only thing is that you have to invest in getting
I was not referring to custom applications from scratch. I was referring to custom applications built around specific off the shelf software.
them developed. Sometimes there is no need for going into a new system/platform when the present system fulfils your requirements. Business applications are customised, so you can't have a "one-size-fits-all" thing.
Agreed.
Devdas Bhagat
komal wrote:
Horizontal scroll in what?
I guess komal is talking about the scroll mouse in X windows. :-)
Correct.
Regards,
Komal
And I thought it was konqueror !
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