Hello all,
Well from last few days kind of activity going on is of great concern to all members of LUG. Let me tell you if we think that this list is only for quality people than we are doing un-justice to fundamentally growing demand and the people. this should be treated as popularity measure that people are willing to act and react in this list.
How one can distinguish own self as a geek? newbie? Surprisingly I have been in this industry from last 11 years and been to almost all Part of the world but I have never seen people who claim that they are geek I have seen people who are working as hardcore developer/architecture to the length who design something which was never thought of but no one has a this kind of problem than why we should have it. we are nothing less than newbie as far as technology is concern and lets do not divide people on this basis otherwise we will block our own growth.
As far as job posting is concern I think it is good idea to have them on our site rather than posting to list, have define format for job posting and than filter that posting and redirect to the job listing archive of the site. Dont try to stop this as this is will help us to build good community it self which is helping and growing by its own. Just for personnel discomfort lets not fight we all are here for good reason and be good to absorb some junks for others who are in process to be good or else tomorrow they will also do same thing what they faced during their time.
I hope every one will take this in positive manner and understand basic idea behind this. And yes plz.. do not start again on my posting I am not trying to pretend as geek or something like that I have just given you example of my experience and what I have seen in this industry and I dont claim that you have not seen this but this is a humble request that everyone should be considered equally and not on basis of what they know and what we know.
Regards, Nici
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On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 04:35:53AM +0000, nici bhatt wrote:
How one can distinguish own self as a geek? newbie? Surprisingly I have been in this industry from last 11 years and been to almost all Part of the world but I have never seen people who claim that they are geek I have seen people who are working as hardcore developer/architecture to the length who design something which was never thought of but no one has a this kind of problem than why we should have it. we are nothing less than newbie as far as technology is concern and lets do not divide people on this basis otherwise we will block our own growth.
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There's nothing like a geek/newbie. Agreed. I don't think anyone even wanted to mean that, proclaiming themselves as geeks especially.
The terms were just being loosely used, without any implied importance (or the lack of it) for the terms used. In this case, some people are 'geeky' in their 'follow-the-norm' behaviour, not the techie stuff or anything.
But yes, many of us do want 'noise' (the definition of which is subjective again) to be seperated from 'signal'. I don't understand why there is resistance to forking, when many of us here survive on dial-up connections and do not want to go through all mails at all times. Not just that, when a lot of mails are not of interest to you, you tend to miss out on important/good mails (subjective, again) many a times, and finally, it makes your involvement with the list very much shallow. Personally, I too have a lot of queries, but I'm simply reluctant to post them because I fear having to sift through mails for answers when people reply to original mails (or related, thread mails) with different content, and then discussions going off-track. For all this while, I've become a read-only subscriber (until this thread started). I don't read all mails (maybe, 20% only, based on the subject line), but I don't want to unsubscribe too, as it makes me feel cut-off!
The forking could be as simple as 1] Unmoderated 2] Moderated
Moderated list follows all the guidelines strictly (moderation need not mean full time involvement of a moderator, but, maybe, strict implementations of rules like banning a user for, say, 15 days, if norms are repeatedly flouted). Unmoderated list is very liberal, and some people can volunteer ( in turns ) to remind those who flout the rules with URLs to guidelines, FAQs et al.
Everyone here wants more people to come into the 'Free Software' movement, no doubt. But then, that doesn't mean that when people voice out their opinions, they are being rude or they are looking down upon someone. It's just that some people are looking for some solution to be able to prioritise properly.
Anyways, we can opine endlessly without concluding. So, if we can't decide by some fixed time, let us drop this discussion, and allow things to move on as before. I can stay in read-only mode ;-)
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