Also add the following points:-
1> compare GNU/Linux Movement to Science where access to research documents(here source code) is important for exchange of ideas. Also as in science peer review matters a lot. Exchanges of ideas leads to better and secure software.
2> Also we can talk about cost as it is an consideration for all (students as well as government) Also we can talk about the german and the venezualan governments who have used free s/w to their advantages
3> also corporate successes may be talked about without the doc looking like having a bias towards anyone vendor (even Redhat for that matter).
Also i believe sameer' points#4 and #5 have to be emphasised
From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" sameerds@it.iitb.ac.in Points I can think of: 1. An abstract on Nag's paper about "Why free software matters" 2. The fact that a GNU/Linux user is a member of an entire community 3. Examples of academic research projects that are done on GNU/Linux because of the freedom that they afford. 4. Importance of involving students in a community-wide effort and making real contributions instead of just arbit project ideas. 5. Instances like the IndLinux where a handful of people have managed to do something that can bring computing to millions in India.
Sameer.
How about the facility to buy cheap copies of Linux? It would surely help to promote it and get more users to try it and adopt it.
Also resources, training facilities, and corporate demand for linux skills can be included
11/1/02 6:35:25 PM, "vinayak" vinayak@myrealbox.com wrote:
Also add the following points:-
1> compare GNU/Linux Movement to Science where access to research documents(here source code) is important for exchange of ideas. Also as in science peer review matters a lot. Exchanges of ideas leads to better and secure software.
2> Also we can talk about cost as it is an consideration for all (students as well as government) Also we can talk about the german and the venezualan governments who have used free s/w to their advantages
3> also corporate successes may be talked about without the doc looking like having a bias towards anyone vendor (even Redhat for that matter).
Also i believe sameer' points#4 and #5 have to be emphasised
From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" sameerds@it.iitb.ac.in Points I can think of:
- An abstract on Nag's paper about "Why free software matters"
- The fact that a GNU/Linux user is a member of an entire community
- Examples of academic research projects that are done on GNU/Linux
because of the freedom that they afford. 4. Importance of involving students in a community-wide effort and making real contributions instead of just arbit project ideas. 5. Instances like the IndLinux where a handful of people have managed to do something that can bring computing to millions in India.
Sameer.
MTech Student,
You can already get Linux copies at Rs. 35-60 per CD. The only way to get it cheaper is to make a copy your self. At that price, Mandrake, which is 3 cds costs you only Rs. 150 or so. That price is, i am sure, acceptable to all. In fact, they also offer to courier the cds to you.
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ritesh Kala" Riteshr@vsnl.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Frame a LETTER OF INTRO.....calling on 1 and all
How about the facility to buy cheap copies of Linux? It would surely help to promote it and get more users to try it and adopt
it.
Also resources, training facilities, and corporate demand for linux skills
can be included
11/1/02 6:35:25 PM, "vinayak" vinayak@myrealbox.com wrote:
Also add the following points:-
1> compare GNU/Linux Movement to Science where access to research documents(here source code) is important for exchange of ideas. Also as in science peer review matters a lot. Exchanges of ideas leads to better and secure software.
2> Also we can talk about cost as it is an consideration for all (students as well as government) Also we can talk about the german and the venezualan governments who have
used free s/w to their advantages
3> also corporate successes may be talked about without the doc looking like having a bias towards anyone vendor (even Redhat for that matter).
Also i believe sameer' points#4 and #5 have to be emphasised
From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" sameerds@it.iitb.ac.in Points I can think of:
- An abstract on Nag's paper about "Why free software matters"
- The fact that a GNU/Linux user is a member of an entire community
- Examples of academic research projects that are done on GNU/Linux
because of the freedom that they afford. 4. Importance of involving students in a community-wide effort and making real contributions instead of just arbit project ideas. 5. Instances like the IndLinux where a handful of people have managed to do something that can bring computing to millions in India.
Sameer.
MTech Student,
Hello Luggers.....
Can someone frame all this in a proper mail and have it sent accross please.
We need people to work on this with URGENCY PLEASE.
Someone....take up this mantle and get started with writing the letter. I think this is something that someone of you should be able to do ...............right...????
Please....take this up on priority and send in your CONTRIBUTIONS IMMIDEATELY.
Bye for now and have a nice day.
Trevor
--- Ritesh Kala Riteshr@vsnl.com wrote:
How about the facility to buy cheap copies of Linux? It would surely help to promote it and get more users to try it and adopt it.
Also resources, training facilities, and corporate demand for linux skills can be included
11/1/02 6:35:25 PM, "vinayak" vinayak@myrealbox.com wrote:
Also add the following points:-
1> compare GNU/Linux Movement to Science where access to research documents(here source
code)
is important for exchange of ideas. Also as in science peer review matters a lot. Exchanges of
ideas
leads to better and secure software.
2> Also we can talk about cost as it is an consideration for all (students as well as
government)
Also we can talk about the german and the
venezualan governments who have used free s/w to their advantages
3> also corporate successes may be talked about
without
the doc looking like having a bias towards anyone vendor (even Redhat for that matter).
Also i believe sameer' points#4 and #5 have to be emphasised
From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe"
Points I can think of:
- An abstract on Nag's paper about "Why free
software matters"
- The fact that a GNU/Linux user is a member of an
entire community
- Examples of academic research projects that are
done on GNU/Linux
because of the freedom that they afford. 4. Importance of involving students in a
community-wide effort and
making real contributions instead of just arbit
project ideas.
- Instances like the IndLinux where a handful of
people have managed to
do something that can bring computing to
millions in India.
Sameer.
MTech Student,
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Hi Trevor!
I tried writing a letter specifically for Principals of various educational institutions. See if it can help you:
http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir/dearprincipal.pdf
The source file is dearprincipal.txt
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:45:49 +0530 Tahir Hashmi wrote:
The source file is dearprincipal.txt
Oops! it's supposed to be .tex
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tahir Hashmi" code_martial@softhome.net To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Frame a LETTER OF INTRO.....calling on 1 and all
Hi Trevor!
I tried writing a letter specifically for Principals of various educational institutions. See if it can help you:
Tahir, I read the letter. Many points are valid... but if our audience is principals of engg. colleges this letter may not do the trick!
We need something thats short, and raises expectations (while not lying). Have you seen marketing copies of companies who actually sell seminars? Why should we be different?
I'll be glad to help.
Regards,
Amol Hatwar.
--- Amol Hatwar rollacosta@phreaker.net wrote:
We need something thats short, and raises expectations (while not lying). Have you seen marketing copies of companies who actually sell seminars? Why should we be different?
[snip]
Go ahead any make your point. Give me something i can SEE...Analyse....and i may believe.
I am interested...go on.
Trevor
I'll be glad to help.
Regards,
Amol Hatwar.
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:07:51 +0530 Amol Hatwar wrote:
We need something thats short, and raises expectations (while not lying). Have you seen marketing copies of companies who actually sell seminars? Why should we be different?
Got your points. We should try to be just a *wee bit* different in that our letter should reflect concern rather than plain hype. Hopefully, the letter would get more attention then.
How about this:
I'll snip off 1e (Lockdown) and 3b (Illogical Licensing).
I'll trim all the points to talk only of the virtues of GNU/Linux or FS and remove the fallacies of Proprietary s/w. The principals' IT staff might tell them about that;-)
I'll also change all the headings to sound more "positive", to borrow Dr. Nagarjuna's term :-)
I'd like to keep the content of 1c (Hardware Layout), 3a (Restriction of Freedom) and 3c (Dubious Functionality) unchanged, they're important points, IMHO.
I'll also add a section on community support and growth model in section 2. I'll try to get it all within 2 pages.
Can someone send me an introductory paragraph please?
I also had the following points in mind.
From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" Points I can think of:
- An abstract on Nag's paper about "Why free
software matters"
- The fact that a GNU/Linux user is a member of an
entire community
- Examples of academic research projects that are
done on GNU/Linux
because of the freedom that they afford. 4. Importance of involving students in a
community-wide effort and
making real contributions instead of just arbit
project ideas.
- Instances like the IndLinux where a handful of
people have managed to
do something that can bring computing to
millions in India.
How about a webpage like "Free Software for Education - the whys and hows", where we elaborate these points and some more. I see a lot of "This is a place holder for the document." messages on the ilug-bom homepage. I've already written on some of the unfinished topics there. Other members must have written things too. How about filling all that space up?
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:54:31 +0530 Tahir Hashmi wrote:
How about this:
I'll snip off 1e (Lockdown) and 3b (Illogical Licensing).
[...]
OK, here's the shorter, somewhat catchier version of the letter: http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir/dearprincipal.pdf
As before, the source file is dearprincipal.tex. See if this helps. Someone please post an introductory paragraph too.
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vinayak