Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
Regards Saswata
On 08/17/2009 05:44 PM, scrapo wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
+1 for Fedora.
Some of the things you may want to consider: a. India is the 3rd largest contributor (by country) to Fedora ! So support for Indian environment (for example configuring Airtel, Idea, Reliance, Tata ..etc or Indian language support or just general hardware support for devices available locally) is built right into the distro and is huge.
b. Support on channels and mailing list is good (unlike some other distros, where most replies would be either guess work or smart-ass comments).
c. In some cases, you might find it 'rough' in comparison (rough == not as slick and eye-candy heavy) to other distros, but rest assured that there is sound reasoning for all the choices made.
Since Fedora sticks to free software and freedom principle, you might find some 'basic' features missing -- such as support for mp3 and other patent encumbered media formats, in which case, a better option would be to use the Omega spin of fedora:
I recommend this spin since it is maintained by Red Hat India's resident geek and part of the furniture at Red Hat's Pune office, Rahul Sundaram[1].
cheers, - steve
[1] sorry dude, couldn't resist ! :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram
On Monday 17 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
[snip] Since Fedora sticks to free software and freedom principle, you might find some 'basic' features missing -- such as support for mp3 and other patent encumbered media formats
Nothing to do with Fedora per se, but aren't patent-ridden softwares like MP3 decoders only a problem in countries that have software patents? Perhaps it's time to start telling the distributors to have a "US-only" distribution that excludes patent-ridden software, and provide all software by default to the "Rest of the World". A question like, "Do you live in a backward country that has software patents?" at the start of the install would go a long way in establishing what people are missing ;)
BTW, I was pleasantly surprised the other day to find MP3 players, etc. in the main Debian repositories, from where they had been missing earlier:
# apt-cache policy mpg123 mpg123: Version table: 1.7.2-3 0 990 http://ftp.XX.debian.org testing/main Packages # apt-cache policy mplayer mplayer: Version table: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 0 990 http://ftp.XX.debian.org testing/main Packages
Surprised because earlier Debian also had a no-MP3 policy and you had to go to debian-multimedia.org to get MP3-related packages. It changed sometime in the past 6 months or so, perhaps some Debian contributor can tell us when and why.
Regards,
-- Raju
Hi,
On 08/17/2009 11:36 PM, Raj Mathur wrote:
On Monday 17 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
[snip] Since Fedora sticks to free software and freedom principle, you might find some 'basic' features missing -- such as support for mp3 and other patent encumbered media formats
Nothing to do with Fedora per se, but aren't patent-ridden softwares like MP3 decoders only a problem in countries that have software patents?
True.
Perhaps it's time to start telling the distributors to have a "US-only" distribution that excludes patent-ridden software, and provide all software by default to the "Rest of the World". A question like, "Do you live in a backward country that has software patents?" at the start of the install would go a long way in establishing what people are missing ;)
Yes, that would be great to do as far as appearances go, but AFAICT, the problem is since Fedora Project is a US based organization and has to play by the rules. They cannot distribute such software nor even support any project that would distribute such software (so for instance, they can't even have such a question on their website with a link to a non-US based server where people can go to). Any other non-US based distro, like for instance Omega which i mentioned can do such a thing though.
BTW, I was pleasantly surprised the other day to find MP3 players, etc. in the main Debian repositories, from where they had been missing earlier:
# apt-cache policy mpg123 mpg123: Version table: 1.7.2-3 0 990 http://ftp.XX.debian.org testing/main Packages # apt-cache policy mplayer mplayer: Version table: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 0 990 http://ftp.XX.debian.org testing/main Packages
Surprised because earlier Debian also had a no-MP3 policy and you had to go to debian-multimedia.org to get MP3-related packages. It changed sometime in the past 6 months or so, perhaps some Debian contributor can tell us when and why.
Hmm, interesting. I too am curious about this.
cheers, - steve
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
On 08/17/2009 11:36 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip]
Perhaps it's time to start telling the distributors to have a "US-only" distribution that excludes patent-ridden software, and provide all software by default to the "Rest of the World". A question like, "Do you live in a backward country that has software patents?" at the start of the install would go a long way in establishing what people are missing ;)
Yes, that would be great to do as far as appearances go, but AFAICT, the problem is since Fedora Project is a US based organization and has to play by the rules. They cannot distribute such software nor even support any project that would distribute such software (so for instance, they can't even have such a question on their website with a link to a non-US based server where people can go to). Any other non-US based distro, like for instance Omega which i mentioned can do such a thing though.
Actually, I don't see why they (Fedora) can't do that (have a US-only distribution). Supporting other countries that don't have software patents is not illegal even in the US, nor is it a crime to make patented (in the US) software available from outside the US to non-US residents. The patent laws do not prevent dissemination of information, only dissemination and use of patented software in a specific geographical domain.
To be brutally frank, I consider a distribution trying to extend US laws outside the US an unethical and hegemonistic activity, even if it is done implicitly (as in the case of Fedora). Even 15 years ago other distributions had official non-US repositories from where you could, e.g., download crypto software that was illegal to export from the US. Not permitting access to crypto at all just because of the laws of one country, OTOH, is unacceptable; the same goes for patented-encumbered software.
It's quite possible I'm missing something here, so request anyone here more clued about US patent restrictions in general and Fedora's policy in particular to provide their opinions.
Regards,
-- Raju
On 08/18/2009 10:29 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
On 08/17/2009 11:36 PM, Raj Mathur wrote:
[snip]
Actually, I don't see why they (Fedora) can't do that (have a US-only distribution). Supporting other countries that don't have software patents is not illegal even in the US, nor is it a crime to make patented (in the US) software available from outside the US to non-US residents. The patent laws do not prevent dissemination of information, only dissemination and use of patented software in a specific geographical domain.
To be brutally frank, I consider a distribution trying to extend US laws outside the US an unethical and hegemonistic activity, even if it is done implicitly (as in the case of Fedora). Even 15 years ago other distributions had official non-US repositories from where you could, e.g., download crypto software that was illegal to export from the US. Not permitting access to crypto at all just because of the laws of one country, OTOH, is unacceptable; the same goes for patented-encumbered software.
It's quite possible I'm missing something here, so request anyone here more clued about US patent restrictions in general and Fedora's policy in particular to provide their opinions.
Actually yes you are :).
The reason Fedora doesn't support another distro, or for that matter non-US repos with mp3 support, is less to do with legal restrictions (of which there are some[1]) and more to do with the principle of the matter.
They /too/ are opposed to the principle of software patents. They do not want to become hypocrites by opposing it on one hand and then just make it easy for anyone to ignore the matter by themselves providing an way to do so.
More here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3
cheers, - steve
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
[snip] The reason Fedora doesn't support another distro, or for that matter non-US repos with mp3 support, is less to do with legal restrictions (of which there are some[1]) and more to do with the principle of the matter.
They /too/ are opposed to the principle of software patents. They do not want to become hypocrites by opposing it on one hand and then just make it easy for anyone to ignore the matter by themselves providing an way to do so.
More here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3
Afarid I'm going to be nitpicking here, but we really need a formal opinion on whether use of MP3 is illegal in India or not. The Fedora page says, ``The MP3 patents are protected by United States law and international treaties, and the Fedora Project will honor the applicable laws and treaties.''. However there is no treaty that enforces US software patents in India to the best of my knowledge. Of course, the fact that India does not have software patents at all could have something to do with that :)
Further, if you see where MP3 is patented, it works out to a rather small list of 18-20 countries. Should 90% of the countries in the world be penalised because 10% have taken an ill-considered step towards restricting their citizens' rights? I doubt if any reasonable person could agree to those terms!
No more on this topic from my side (unless a troll pops up, of course ;)
Regards,
-- Raju
On 08/18/2009 11:07 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
[snip] The reason Fedora doesn't support another distro, or for that matter non-US repos with mp3 support, is less to do with legal restrictions (of which there are some[1]) and more to do with the principle of the matter.
They /too/ are opposed to the principle of software patents. They do not want to become hypocrites by opposing it on one hand and then just make it easy for anyone to ignore the matter by themselves providing an way to do so.
More here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3
Afarid I'm going to be nitpicking here, but we really need a formal opinion on whether use of MP3 is illegal in India or not. The Fedora page says, ``The MP3 patents are protected by United States law and international treaties, and the Fedora Project will honor the applicable laws and treaties.''. However there is no treaty that enforces US software patents in India to the best of my knowledge. Of course, the fact that India does not have software patents at all could have something to do with that :)
In the link[1] that I sent in my other reply check questions 1.4 to 1.7. Hopefully that clears up Fedora's stand on the matter.
Further, if you see where MP3 is patented, it works out to a rather small list of 18-20 countries. Should 90% of the countries in the world be penalised because 10% have taken an ill-considered step towards restricting their citizens' rights? I doubt if any reasonable person could agree to those terms!
True and neither does Rahul agree with that reasoning. That's the reason why the Omega /spin/[2] exists. A spin is essentially the same as the distro.
cheers, - steve
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins
On Tuesday 18 August 2009, Raj Mathur wrote:
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009, steve wrote:
[snip] The reason Fedora doesn't support another distro, or for that matter non-US repos with mp3 support, is less to do with legal restrictions (of which there are some[1]) and more to do with the principle of the matter.
They /too/ are opposed to the principle of software patents. They do not want to become hypocrites by opposing it on one hand and then just make it easy for anyone to ignore the matter by themselves providing an way to do so.
More here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3
Afarid I'm going to be nitpicking here, but we really need a formal opinion on whether use of MP3 is illegal in India or not.
It is not. Software patents are not recognised here, UNLESS linked with some specialised hardware. So if i bundle let say debian with hardware and mp3 encoder (afaik the decoder is allowed for freebeer distribution), i risk being sued and a tiny risk of losing. The risk is tiny because a PC can be proved to be a general purpose reprogramable machine. However a mp3 player or a cd/dvd player might be proven to be a special purpose machine.
The Fedora page says, ``The MP3 patents are protected by United States law and international treaties, and the Fedora Project will honor the applicable laws and treaties.''. However there is no treaty that enforces US software patents in India to the best of my knowledge. Of course, the fact that India does not have software patents at all could have something to do with that :)
Further, if you see where MP3 is patented, it works out to a rather small list of 18-20 countries. Should 90% of the countries in the world be penalised because 10% have taken an ill-considered step towards restricting their citizens' rights? I doubt if any reasonable person could agree to those terms!
again, there have been several changes to US and international law including seizure of goods passing thru signatory countries (but not destined or originating in any signatory countries). Thus I can ship all sorts of patented software from India to USSR, but run the risk of seizure in S'pore if the ship/flight docks there. And If i happen to be registered in US, I can be sued there. To get a handle on this I can setup an Independent subsidiary (like SCO) and have fun. Debian being a not for profit would be much harder to stop. At best a US based server could be blocked by court action.
Thx for all the feedback. Clouds are slowly clearing. Universal opinions are 3 distros: OpenSUSE Fedora LinuxMint (based on Fedora) How different is Fedora from LinuxMint or what is advisable or advantanges Vs disadvantages between the 2.
From here onwards, I will be able to cut-down to just 2 distros; one based
on SUSE (openSUSE) and one based on Fedora (LinuxMint OR Fedora). Please send in your feedback. Thx Sandeep
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM, RSCL Mumbairscl.mumbai@gmail.com wrote:
LinuxMint (based on Fedora)
There seems to be some misunderstanding somewhere. Linux Mint is based on ubuntu and not fedora.
oh yes! I miss-understood LinuxMint is ubuntu based. I need to get started somewhere. I seriously need someone to do this along with me and get me started. Sandeep
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM, RSCL Mumbairscl.mumbai@gmail.com wrote:
oh yes! I miss-understood LinuxMint is ubuntu based. I need to get started somewhere. I seriously need someone to do this along with me and get me started.
What kind of help you need? And is it commercial or community help that you want?
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM, RSCL Mumbairscl.mumbai@gmail.com wrote:
oh yes! I miss-understood LinuxMint is ubuntu based. I need to get started somewhere. I seriously need someone to do this along with me and get me started.
What kind of help you need? And is it commercial or community help that you want?
I am open to commercial help!
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:42 PM, RSCL Mumbairscl.mumbai@gmail.com wrote:
I am open to commercial help!
I am ready to offer support. We can discuss it offlist. I have sent you an email regards the same.
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Thx for all the feedback. Clouds are slowly clearing. Universal opinions are 3 distros: OpenSUSE Fedora LinuxMint (based on Fedora) How different is Fedora from LinuxMint or what is advisable or advantanges Vs disadvantages between the 2.
From here onwards, I will be able to cut-down to just 2 distros; one based
on SUSE (openSUSE) and one based on Fedora (LinuxMint OR Fedora). Please send in your feedback.
Unless you are an expert, stick to the main distros and not distros based on main distros. Every distro has a customised kernel and the main distro kernels have wider hardware support. The customised 'based-on' distros have better eye candy and application utility and functionality but may not run properly on more hardware. You can manually add extra applications in the main distros, specific to your requirement.
At 11:07 AM 8/18/2009, Raj Mathur wrote: ...
Afarid I'm going to be nitpicking here, but we really need a formal opinion on whether use of MP3 is illegal in India or not. The Fedora page says, ``The MP3 patents are protected by United States law and international treaties, and the Fedora Project will honor the applicable laws and treaties.''. However there is no treaty that enforces US software patents in India to the best of my knowledge. Of course, the fact that India does not have software patents at all could have something to do with that :)
...
I see this page on TRIPS and Software Patents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_TRIPs_Agreement Apparently, the applicability of the TRIPS agreement to Software Patents is very much "Open to Interpretation".
Now moving on to TRIPS and India... I see this on the Dept of Industrial Policy and Promotion's website (http://dipp.nic.in/ipr.htm): "India is also a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO). The WTO agreement, inter-alia, contains an agreement on IP, namely, the Agreement on Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property (TRIPS). This Agreement made protection of intellectual property an enforceable obligation of the Member States. TRIPS Agreement sets out minimum standards of intellectual property protection for Member States."
Thus, it appears that for India, the decision on software patents will depend on the applicability of TRIPS to the area of Software Patents.
Now here comes the interesting part (from the wikipedia article): "However, there have been no dispute settlement procedures regarding software patents."
The above means that the TRIPS agreement has not been tested so far in any case related to software patents. And of course, by 'tested' we mean that no dispute related to software patents has so far been brought before WTO's dispute settlement body. I expect that such a dispute settlement procedure will ... errrr.... settle the matter.
I'm no expert on WTO. But if someone is, I hope they will comment on the above.
On Wednesday 19 August 2009, Prashant Verma wrote:
At 11:07 AM 8/18/2009, Raj Mathur wrote: ...
Afarid I'm going to be nitpicking here, but we really need a formal opinion on whether use of MP3 is illegal in India or not. The Fedora page says, ``The MP3 patents are protected by United States law and international treaties, and the Fedora Project will honor the applicable laws and treaties.''. However there is no treaty that enforces US software patents in India to the best of my knowledge. Of course, the fact that India does not have software patents at all could have something to do with that :)
...
I see this page on TRIPS and Software Patents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_TRIPs_Agreement Apparently, the applicability of the TRIPS agreement to Software Patents is very much "Open to Interpretation".
Now moving on to TRIPS and India... I see this on the Dept of Industrial Policy and Promotion's website (http://dipp.nic.in/ipr.htm): "India is also a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO). The WTO agreement, inter-alia, contains an agreement on IP, namely, the Agreement on Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property (TRIPS). This Agreement made protection of intellectual property an enforceable obligation of the Member States. TRIPS Agreement sets out minimum standards of intellectual property protection for Member States."
Thus, it appears that for India, the decision on software patents will depend on the applicability of TRIPS to the area of Software Patents.
Now here comes the interesting part (from the wikipedia article): "However, there have been no dispute settlement procedures regarding software patents."
The above means that the TRIPS agreement has not been tested so far in any case related to software patents. And of course, by 'tested' we mean that no dispute related to software patents has so far been brought before WTO's dispute settlement body. I expect that such a dispute settlement procedure will ... errrr.... settle the matter.
I'm no expert on WTO. But if someone is, I hope they will comment on the above.
No expert. But trips depends on mutual back scratching. Thus if India says no to software patents then the USA will say no to some anti dumping tariff complaints. OTOH if India goes with big guns on Copyright and brand counterfeiting (right now much more valuable) then everything is ok.
On 08/18/2009 10:29 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: <...snip...>
It's quite possible I'm missing something here, so request anyone here more clued about US patent restrictions in general and Fedora's policy in particular to provide their opinions.
Coincidentally, this[1] is being discussed in the Fedora mailing list right now.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents
cheers, - steve
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
2009/8/17 Roshan Singh singh.roshan08@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
+1 to openSuSE on the usability front.
+1 to Fedora on the community front.
Sorry for the top post, but I feel that www.linuxmint.com would be an ideal distro, have a look at it and if you need the cd I have it with me (version 7)
Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd., The Enterprise Linux Company (r), http://www.enterux.com http://www.entVoice.com
On 17-Aug-2009, at 10:50 PM, Roshan Singh singh.roshan08@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
-- Roshan Kumar Singh http://roshansingh.wordpress.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/gscribble -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Typical scenario of why non techies get turned off from linux, there are so many choices :)
Can someone help him in installation of what he wants?
Dipen
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Mitul Limbani mitul@enterux.com wrote:
Sorry for the top post, but I feel that www.linuxmint.com would be an ideal distro, have a look at it and if you need the cd I have it with me (version 7)
Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd., The Enterprise Linux Company (r), http://www.enterux.com http://www.entVoice.com
On 17-Aug-2009, at 10:50 PM, Roshan Singh singh.roshan08@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
-- Roshan Kumar Singh http://roshansingh.wordpress.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/gscribble -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
2009/8/17 Dipen dipench@gmail.com
Typical scenario of why non techies get turned off from linux, there are so many choices :)
Can someone help him in installation of what he wants?
Maybe the local Fedora Ambassador can?
Dipen
Linuxmint, openSUSE, Fedora. 3 choices, butstill unsure where to start from. I will need community support, I will easy of operations for my users, I will need basic software availability too. Where should I start ? Confused and more! Sandeep
On Monday 17 August 2009, Dipen wrote:
Typical scenario of why non techies get turned off from linux, there are so many choices :)
Can someone help him in installation of what he wants?
Whathewants!=whatheneeds. Better to start with identifying whatheneeds and save a load of running in circles.
Roshan Singh wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
What is yast in opensuse is yum in fedora. Does the same thing, works in the same way. Most software not listed in the repository will have a line to add to yum to get it to work from there. I know as i have seen it before and used it before.
regards saswata
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, scraposcrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
What is yast in opensuse is yum in fedora. Does the same thing, works in the same way. Most software not listed in the repository will have a line to add to yum to get it to work from there. I know as i have seen it before and used it before.
No. yum[1] is the package manager. Similar utility in OpenSUSE is called zypper[2]. It is the new package manager introduced in OpenSUSE since version 11. Yast[3] is more than just package manager, it's more of a system management tool.
1. http://yum.baseurl.org/ 2. http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper 3. http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/About
scrapo wrote:
Roshan Singh wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
What is yast in opensuse is yum in fedora. Does the same thing, works in the same way. Most software not listed in the repository will have a line to add to yum to get it to work from there. I know as i have seen it before and used it before.
Yast is like a system configuration utility, yum is a package manager.
Rony wrote:
scrapo wrote:
Roshan Singh wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, scrapo scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
RSCL Mumbai wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384
A personal suggestion from experiance. Use Fedora. We use it for our desktops at office. It works well and has all the features you need and pretty easy to use in GUI mode.
I would still say that openSUSE is very easy to use and handle and with Yast it becomes a matter of second, you dont need to know how things happen. You can find most of the HOW TOs here http://en.opensuse.org/
What is yast in opensuse is yum in fedora. Does the same thing, works in the same way. Most software not listed in the repository will have a line to add to yum to get it to work from there. I know as i have seen it before and used it before.
Yast is like a system configuration utility, yum is a package manager.
You guys keep telling me all that, but for a non-tech user, both are same. both allow me to see a list of software like in Windows XP and then chose what we want to add or remove. So i dont really care whether it is a system config or a package manager, it allows me to add and remove software.
Ofcourse, it has been 6 years since i used suse, so i dont necessarily remember what else it can do. i dont remember having used it for any system config work.
Regards saswata
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:14 AM, scraposcrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
You guys keep telling me all that, but for a non-tech user, both are same. both allow me to see a list of software like in Windows XP and then chose what we want to add or remove. So i dont really care whether it is a system config or a package manager, it allows me to add and remove software.
Ofcourse, it has been 6 years since i used suse, so i dont necessarily remember what else it can do. i dont remember having used it for any system config work.
Your words will give wrong impression to new suse users that yum can do all the tasks that yast does. Which is not true. So, even for non-tech user it doesn't hold true. Yum + system-config set of tools can be said to be equivalent to yast.
Mehul Ved wrote:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:14 AM, scraposcrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
You guys keep telling me all that, but for a non-tech user, both are same. both allow me to see a list of software like in Windows XP and then chose what we want to add or remove. So i dont really care whether it is a system config or a package manager, it allows me to add and remove software.
Ofcourse, it has been 6 years since i used suse, so i dont necessarily remember what else it can do. i dont remember having used it for any system config work.
Your words will give wrong impression to new suse users that yum can do all the tasks that yast does. Which is not true. So, even for non-tech user it doesn't hold true. Yum + system-config set of tools can be said to be equivalent to yast.
ok. i stand corrected. // bows to the gurus // :-)
Still, what i was trying to say i guess is that everything that yast does in GUI mode is also available in Fedora in GUI mode, though adding software and changing config needs to different modules to be activated. considering we rarely do both at the same time and for the same thing, it should not make any difference to a non-tech user like me. When Suse was launched with Yast, that was the thing that attracted people the most - GUI tool to take care of config and software. RedHat did not have it. Now Fedora has the same thing, so its not an USP / competition killer any more.
In terms of community support, more people use fedora, so its easier to get help (again, my personal experiance) by asking people locally. Since the layout of directories is different between fedora / RH and Suse, people used to fedora have to fumble around to find the correct commands in Suse.
Regards Saswata
On Thursday 20 Aug 2009 9:28:02 am scrapo wrote:
it should not make any difference to a non-tech user like me. When Suse was launched with Yast, that was the thing that attracted people the most - GUI tool to take care of config and software. RedHat did not have it.
redhat 4 to 6 had an excellent gui tool for all this. It got broken in later versions. In fact I may not have been able to shift to linux in those days if the gui had not been there. And after RH 9 broke everything, Mandrake had these tools. Back then mandrake even had a gui for shrinking windows partitions and making customised partitions during the install - which was again full fledged gui.
scrapo wrote:
Rony wrote:
Yast is like a system configuration utility, yum is a package manager.
You guys keep telling me all that, but for a non-tech user, both are same. both allow me to see a list of software like in Windows XP and then chose what we want to add or remove. So i dont really care whether it is a system config or a package manager, it allows me to add and remove software.
Ofcourse, it has been 6 years since i used suse, so i dont necessarily remember what else it can do. i dont remember having used it for any system config work.
With yast you can setup your networking, sound, printer etc. It is like a control panel.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM, RSCL Mumbai rscl.mumbai@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384 -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Sandeep
I think you should try setting this up yourself..
refer this link: http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation#User_Documentation
For the DVD either download from http://software.opensuse.org/ or may be someone from the list can provide the dvd.
if you encounter any problems post it here...
Cheers Anirudh Nair
I think I will start with 2 distros: LinuxMint & OpenSUSE both together. I think Sameep can help with DVD / CD of both the distros for me to get started. Sandeep
Hi, I can give a try on weekends.You can reach me on 9820896398. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM, RSCL Mumbai rscl.mumbai@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Need someone who can setup OpenSUSE (or any other distro for Desktop use) for me with the basic apps: (1) Basic OS with all Video, Audo, drivers (2) OpenOffice (3) Browsers (4) Wine (5) Customization of desktop and optimization of resources to use least momory and CPU. I am located at Andheri (E). Pls send in your offers / questions. Sandeep 98199-88384 -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
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